Jamie Oliver is accused of 'cultural appropriation' for launching jerk rice: Labour MP joins social media outrage and tells chef the Caribbean dish is 'not just a word you put before stuff to sell products'

Jamie Oliver has been accused of cultural appropriation by Labour's shadow women and equalities minister and other social media users for launching 'punchy jerk rice'. Dawn Butler, the MP for Brent Central in north west London, picked up on comments from social media about the product and joined in with her own criticism.

She suggested Oliver was using the word jerk to increase the sales of his rice and his product was not faithful to the original Caribbean recipe which is usually a marinade for meat. The Labour MP also suggested father-of-five ask Levi Roots, the creator of jerk barbeque sauce Reggae Reggae sauce, to teach him about it.

Ms Butler tweeted: '#jamieoliver @jamieoliver #jerk I'm just wondering do you know what #Jamaican #jerk actually is?

'It's not just a word you put before stuff to sell products. @levirootsmusic should do a masterclass. Your jerk Rice is not ok. This appropriation from Jamaica needs to stop.'

Jerk can refer to a type of cooking which involves marinating meat in a jerk spice mixture, or the marinade itself. It originated in Jamaica.

The spice mix itself primarily uses allspice and Scotch bonnet peppers - neither of which are listed on the ingredients list for Mr Oliver's product - alongside others.

David Llewellyn wrote: 'I was about to headbutt my desk over this tweet from Dawn Butler because most cultural appropriation brouhahas are nonsense.

'Then I saw this description of Jamie Oliver's "Jerk" Rice. On what planet can "garlic, ginger and jalapenos" be described as "Jerk"?'

Many jerk recipes involve meat such as chicken or pork, but Mr Oliver's £2.30 microwaveable rice offering is vegetarian, with the packaging suggesting it is 'seriously good' with chicken wings.  

Sainsbury's, Morrisons, and Waitrose all stock the product on their websites.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6075597/Jamie-Oliver-accused-cultural-appropriation-Labour-MP.html

Seriously, people cannot win. If people embrace multiculturalism, they get accused of Cultural appropriation. If they dont embrace multiculturalism, they get accused of racism

Jamie, should tell those complaining to jog on.

they sort of have a point
it's not a 'jerk' flavored product   (so false advertising at the minimum) 
he is just using a word from their culture out of context in a 'parody' of Jamaican culture.
it's like a food version of really bad 'blackface' 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk_(cooking)
Jerk seasoning principally relies upon two items: allspice^[a] and Scotch bonnet peppers. Other ingredients may include cloves, cinnamon, scallions, nutmeg, thyme, garlic, brown sugar, ginger, and salt.

They have no point

They are simple idiots

no, your an idiot 
Can't stop Stroking your Hate boner for Progress long enough to use Basic Logic. 

it's like saying this is 'English Tea' and serving 'Hot chocolate' 

It's NOT jerk,  Jerk MEANS something, it is a Specific type of Seasoning. 
And What Jamie has is NOT jerk and does not constitute Jerk Seasoning.

Its what ever he wants it to be
The problem here is the idiots taking offense over nothing

They need to grow up

https://www.yummly.co.uk/recipes/caribbean-pasta-salad

Oh no cultural appropriation, hijaking pasta



I bet the idiots wont be saying the same here

Who gives a fuck any way ?

Didge wrote:Its what ever he wants it to be
The problem here is the idiots taking offense over nothing

They need to grow up

It's not up to some Jumped up White TV chef to say what the existing Cooking style of 'jerk' is 

it is as moronic as a instructions that say
"to make English Roast beef: first Bake you beef on the Stove in a pot of Water. then add Chinese 5 spice, serve with a baguette and fish sauce"
it doesn't matter what any Dickhead says THAT is not English Roast beef 

like the Shit Jamie is Selling is NOT jerk!!!
and to Just add the word but not the style is pretty much just Racist marketing.
Advertising Jamaican flavors when the product 100% not Jamaican, 100% imagined by a English dude, and fails to meet the Basic description of Jerk seasoning

Didge wrote:https://www.yummly.co.uk/recipes/caribbean-pasta-salad

Oh no cultural appropriation, hijaking pasta



I bet the idiots wont be saying the same here

thanks for Proving your a Ignorant Racist that can't comprehend basics 

what did they get wrong in that link? what example are you using? what in your idiocy do you think the problem is?

Notice that in that link when it says something is 'jerk' flavor it actually instructs them to use "jerk seasoning' Because "jerk seasoning" is a standard set of spices with a base of 'All spice' and Scotch bonnets 
https://www.yummly.co.uk/recipe/Grilled-Jerk-Shrimp-Orzo-Salad-2395315

Because they Showed some Cultural respect for dishes they where  making and bothered to use the correct names and have stayed faithful to what the dishes are meant to be. they didn't just slap any old name on some crap they pulled out of their ass and pretend it's someone else's tradition 

Pasta is Italian and thus they have no proble taking the traditional dishes of other nations and making them their own

Its called multiulturalism. Thus not racist or cultural appropriation. The later of whih is a made up term by the left to create victims out of people

This proves how much it is the left that continually promote segregation and not multiulturalism

nicko wrote:Who gives a fuck any way ?

Exactly. Can't help wondering though, what would be the reaction from the good burghers of Barnsley if some mouthy Australian started pontificating about the culinary technicalities in the creation of a perfect Yorkshire pudding.

Okay I’m in the middle, as usual, on this topic.

Jerk seasoning is a very specialised marinade that black people are very fussy over themselves.
What Jamie Oliver is offering is NOT Jerk seasoning. I’ve eaten plenty of it myself, made it back in the day, and I know what goes in it.

However!

If these Twitter twats, (have they got nothing better to be tweeting about anyway?), want to pull up Oliver’s recipe they best get their arses on down to Shitsco and other supermarkets and check out every bloody list of ingredients that call themselves “dhal” or “Thai curry” or any other international readymade dish or sauce.

A lot of waffle about nothing by a bunch of jerks!

(See what I did there? )

eddie wrote:Okay I’m in the middle, as usual, on this topic.

Jerk seasoning is a very specialised marinade that black people are very fussy over themselves.
What Jamie Oliver is offering is NOT Jerk seasoning. I’ve eaten plenty of it myself, made it back in the day, and I know what goes in it.

However!

If these Twitter twats, (have they got nothing better to be tweeting about anyway?), want to pull up Oliver’s recipe they best get their arses on down to Shitsco and other supermarkets and check out every bloody list of ingredients that call themselves “dhal” or “Thai curry” or any other international readymade dish or sauce.

A lot of waffle about nothing by a bunch of jerks!

(See what I did there? )

That was very funny and spot on.

Surely the point is that it's not actually jerk.

Raggamuffin wrote:Surely the point is that it's not actually jerk.

exactly

Didge wrote:Pasta is Italian and thus they have no proble taking the traditional dishes of other nations and making them their own

Its called multiulturalism. Thus not racist or cultural appropriation. The later of whih is a made up term by the left to create victims out of people

This proves how much it is the left that continually promote segregation and not multiulturalism

Pasta is not Italian   
the word is (but also arguable English too) the product and process is not  

Asia has had noodles for thousands of years (at least 4000) 
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1012_051012_chinese_noodles.html

and it's not Using Jerk that is Cultural Appropriation, it's Claiming it's Jerk When it's Not! and thus reducing their Culture to a meaningless advertising word without even showing the Basic respect to them of complying to the meaning of the word.

as typical it's just YOU don't even understand what people are talking about and make up some Stupid Strawman like some sex doll for your 'Hate-boner for progress'


to Compare to Pasta, it the same as Someone Selling 'Neapolitan Pasta Sauce' and it not containing Tomato or Garlic.

I think there's more important things to worry about !

I say we start a thread complaining about all those fake "Sourdough" and "Damper" rip-off products being sold in the bread isles in supermarkets these days...

Both sourdough and damper breads have very simple recipes with no sugars, dairy products or additives -- once they have added any of that crap that you see on their ingredient labels -- they are no longer the original product..

Yet another clear breach of "truth in advertising" rules.

And then there's those scam "vegan meats" and "vegan honey" and other vegan shit being marketed under fake names..

it all becomes clear when you see the full range

Are you kidding?  I luv San Francisco sourdough.

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:Pasta is Italian and thus they have no proble taking the traditional dishes of other nations and making them their own

Its called multiulturalism. Thus not racist or cultural appropriation. The later of whih is a made up term by the left to create victims out of people

This proves how much it is the left that continually promote segregation and not multiulturalism

Pasta is not Italian   
the word is (but also arguable English too) the product and process is not  

Asia has had noodles for thousands of years (at least 4000) 
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1012_051012_chinese_noodles.html

and it's not Using Jerk that is Cultural Appropriation, it's Claiming it's Jerk When it's Not! and thus reducing their Culture to a meaningless advertising word without even showing the Basic respect to them of complying to the meaning of the word.

as typical it's just YOU don't even understand what people are talking about and make up some Stupid Strawman like some sex doll for your 'Hate-boner for progress'


to Compare to Pasta, it the same as Someone Selling 'Neapolitan Pasta Sauce' and it not containing Tomato or Garlic.

It still adpoting anoth nations dish dummy whether it originates in asia

pasta is the italian name being used by the west indians

doh

ha ha ha ha


I will wait for the penny to drop




The real jerk here is you

Cultural appropriation has been happening forever and for good reasons
In November last year, Radio 4 broadcast an episode of its Analysis cultural show, entitled “Offence, Power and Progress”. It’s still online and I’ve bookmarked it, because I thought at the time it was an important contribution to our political discourse here in the UK.

It begins with an interview with Shardine Taylor-Stone, the vocalist with black feminist punk band, Big Joanie. “Earlier this year,” explains the presenter, Mobeen Azhar, “the band published a checklist online for venues who want to book them. It said that white people wearing anything that is not of their culture is offensive. That includes dreadlocks, saris, and bindis – the forehead marking rooted in Hinduism. The objective? To create a ‘safe space’ for the band in which the ills of cultural appropriation are understood by the venue’s staff and the audience.”

The show’s attention, perhaps inevitably, then turns to the United States, where the debate about identity politics and cultural appropriation is hardly even a “debate” any more. We learn that the music producer and singer, Pharrell Williams felt forced to apologise for wearing a Native American headdress, and that Katy Perry apologised for dressing as a geisha.

Most of us are well aware of the hypocrisies and illogicality of some of the offence so energetically taken by those seeking to signal their virtue and solidarity with the oppressed through social media. The online advice to all those venues queuing up to book Big Joanie contained no warning against people of Asian origin wearing dreadlocks, or people of Afro-Caribbean origin sporting a bindi, even if they’re not Hindu themselves. It need hardly be pointed out that Britain’s (and America’s) white majority are the bad guys who must atone for their ancestors’ sins of colonialism and slavery.

You do not need to have watched Ed Balls’s excellent BBC2 documentary, “Travels in Trumpland” to understand where America’s – or rather, the American Left’s – obsession with identity politics has brought it. Working class people who might, in previous decades, have considered themselves natural Democrat voters, have grown impatient with the party’s obsession with identity, its championing of minority causes and its anger – fury, even – at those who fail to share their dismay at every perceived micro-aggression against every minority group and culture.

Whether or not such complaints have any validity, the consequence is all too real for everyone in the world, and that consequence is sitting in the Oval Office right now.

Time was when the answer to the divisions of race was to cook up a “great big melting pot” in order to have “coffee coloured people by the score” – an analysis with which I was never comfortable, since it seemed to suggest the only way we could accept other cultures was if we all looked the same. Still, there is surely some value in a cross-fertilisation of cultures, where we eat and cook recipes from traditions other than our own, where we attend music events in order to experience music from different cultures, where we learn, through experience, about the lives of others.

Apparently not, however. Dawn Butler MP, shadow equalities minister, perhaps looks across the Atlantic with yearning for the anger, division and high-profile indignation that regularly secures Democrat politicians news coverage. Butler’s target was a white man – TV chef Jamie Oliver – who invoked the MP’s suitably public fury by launching a range of “jerk rice”. As a result of Butler’s criticism for this “appropriation” of Jamaican culture, we all now know far more about “jerk” than any of us ever wanted to.

Butler recommended that Oliver should undergo a “masterclass” in Jamaican coking from British-Jamaican cook/musician, Levi Roots. Which sounds very much like “re-education”. Perhaps Oliver should be expected to issue a Katy Perry-like apology and announce he’s been on “a journey”.

I hope he will resist doing so. Because such attacks for the crime of cultural appropriation are rarely anything more than bullying, never carried out privately, but exclusively in the public eye in order to invite a “Twitterstorm” of support from the critic’s followers and – an unintended consequence, I’m sure – increase their public profile in the process.

Cultural appropriation has been happening forever and for three very good reasons: it is natural, unstoppable and inevitable. As a Scotsman I should perhaps get annoyed whenever I see an Englishman wearing a kilt, or when other countries brew their own whisky, or when chip shops outside Scotland serve deep-fried battered haggis (okay, I accept no one else does that). But I don’t, because cultures aren’t just fluid – they’re porous. They are influenced, usually positively, by other cultures living and thriving in close contact with them.

If Labour indulges this obsession with identity politics and encourages the taking of offence whenever a white woman dons a sari or chooses to fashion her hair into dreadlocks (note: black women straightening their hair to look more “western” is fine, apparently), then more and more working class voters, whose concerns are focused less on expensive rice for sale in Sainsbury’s and more on how to feed their children without resorting to a food bank, will be deservedly lost to the party.

Radio 4’s aforementioned Analysis show contains this line in the summary of its content: “Detractors refer to those asking for a new level of cultural sensitivity as ‘snowflakes’ and insist the offence they feel is self-indulgent. But history teaches that fringe discussions often graduate to mainstream norms. So are these new idealists setting a fresh standard for cultural sensitivity? A standard that society will eventually come to observe?”

Such a dreadful prospect should worry us all, but it will also be welcomed, not just by the social justice warriors of Twitter, but by British populists who dream of emulating the success of Donald J. Trump.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/21/lefts-fixation-cultural-appropriation-will-alienate-traditional/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

https://order-order.com/2018/08/21/shadow-ministers-bizarre-chicken-rant/

https://twitter.com/JamesCleverly/status/1031631200417398791

Didge wrote:https://order-order.com/2018/08/21/shadow-ministers-bizarre-chicken-rant/

https://twitter.com/JamesCleverly/status/1031631200417398791

can I just point out that Levi Roots real name is Keith Graham

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:Pasta is Italian and thus they have no proble taking the traditional dishes of other nations and making them their own

Its called multiulturalism. Thus not racist or cultural appropriation. The later of whih is a made up term by the left to create victims out of people

This proves how much it is the left that continually promote segregation and not multiulturalism

Pasta is not Italian   
the word is (but also arguable English too) the product and process is not  

Asia has had noodles for thousands of years (at least 4000) 
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1012_051012_chinese_noodles.html

and it's not Using Jerk that is Cultural Appropriation, it's Claiming it's Jerk When it's Not! and thus reducing their Culture to a meaningless advertising word without even showing the Basic respect to them of complying to the meaning of the word.

as typical it's just YOU don't even understand what people are talking about and make up some Stupid Strawman like some sex doll for your 'Hate-boner for progress'


to Compare to Pasta, it the same as Someone Selling 'Neapolitan Pasta Sauce' and it not containing Tomato or Garlic.

It still adpoting anoth nations dish dummy whether it originates in asia

pasta is the italian name being used by the west indians

doh

ha ha ha ha


I will wait for the penny to drop




The real jerk here is you

it's not Using Jerk that is Cultural Appropriation, it's Claiming it's Jerk When it's Not! and thus reducing their Culture to a meaningless advertising word without even showing the Basic respect to them of complying to the meaning of the word.

But the west indies ARE using pasta when they say pasta, So it is not the same.

Sorry to Deflate your Hate-boner for progress

Didge wrote:Cultural appropriation has been happening forever and for good reasons
In November last year, Radio 4 broadcast an episode of its Analysis cultural show, entitled “Offence, Power and Progress”. It’s still online and I’ve bookmarked it, because I thought at the time it was an important contribution to our political discourse here in the UK.

It begins with an interview with Shardine Taylor-Stone, the vocalist with black feminist punk band, Big Joanie. “Earlier this year,” explains the presenter, Mobeen Azhar, “the band published a checklist online for venues who want to book them. It said that white people wearing anything that is not of their culture is offensive. That includes dreadlocks, saris, and bindis – the forehead marking rooted in Hinduism. The objective? To create a ‘safe space’ for the band in which the ills of cultural appropriation are understood by the venue’s staff and the audience.”

The show’s attention, perhaps inevitably, then turns to the United States, where the debate about identity politics and cultural appropriation is hardly even a “debate” any more. We learn that the music producer and singer, Pharrell Williams felt forced to apologise for wearing a Native American headdress, and that Katy Perry apologised for dressing as a geisha.

Most of us are well aware of the hypocrisies and illogicality of some of the offence so energetically taken by those seeking to signal their virtue and solidarity with the oppressed through social media. The online advice to all those venues queuing up to book Big Joanie contained no warning against people of Asian origin wearing dreadlocks, or people of Afro-Caribbean origin sporting a bindi, even if they’re not Hindu themselves. It need hardly be pointed out that Britain’s (and America’s) white majority are the bad guys who must atone for their ancestors’ sins of colonialism and slavery.

You do not need to have watched Ed Balls’s excellent BBC2 documentary, “Travels in Trumpland” to understand where America’s – or rather, the American Left’s – obsession with identity politics has brought it. Working class people who might, in previous decades, have considered themselves natural Democrat voters, have grown impatient with the party’s obsession with identity, its championing of minority causes and its anger – fury, even – at those who fail to share their dismay at every perceived micro-aggression against every minority group and culture.

Whether or not such complaints have any validity, the consequence is all too real for everyone in the world, and that consequence is sitting in the Oval Office right now.

Time was when the answer to the divisions of race was to cook up a “great big melting pot” in order to have “coffee coloured people by the score” – an analysis with which I was never comfortable, since it seemed to suggest the only way we could accept other cultures was if we all looked the same. Still, there is surely some value in a cross-fertilisation of cultures, where we eat and cook recipes from traditions other than our own, where we attend music events in order to experience music from different cultures, where we learn, through experience, about the lives of others.

Apparently not, however. Dawn Butler MP, shadow equalities minister, perhaps looks across the Atlantic with yearning for the anger, division and high-profile indignation that regularly secures Democrat politicians news coverage. Butler’s target was a white man – TV chef Jamie Oliver – who invoked the MP’s suitably public fury by launching a range of  “jerk rice”. As a result of Butler’s criticism for this “appropriation” of Jamaican culture, we all now know far more about “jerk” than any of us ever wanted to.

Butler recommended that Oliver should undergo a “masterclass” in Jamaican coking from British-Jamaican cook/musician, Levi Roots. Which sounds very much like “re-education”. Perhaps Oliver should be expected to issue a Katy Perry-like apology and announce he’s been on “a journey”.

I hope he will resist doing so. Because such attacks for the crime of cultural appropriation are rarely anything more than bullying, never carried out privately, but exclusively in the public eye in order to invite a “Twitterstorm” of support from the critic’s followers and – an unintended consequence, I’m sure – increase their public profile in the process.

Cultural appropriation has been happening forever and for three very good reasons: it is natural, unstoppable and inevitable. As a Scotsman I should perhaps get annoyed whenever I see an Englishman wearing a kilt, or when other countries brew their own whisky, or when chip shops outside Scotland serve deep-fried battered haggis (okay, I accept no one else does that). But I don’t, because cultures aren’t just fluid – they’re porous. They are influenced, usually positively, by other cultures living and thriving in close contact with them.

If Labour indulges this obsession with identity politics and encourages the taking of offence whenever a white woman dons a sari or chooses to fashion her hair into dreadlocks (note: black women straightening their hair to look more “western” is fine, apparently), then more and more working class voters, whose concerns are focused less on expensive rice for sale in Sainsbury’s and more on how to feed their children without resorting to a food bank, will be deservedly lost to the party.

Radio 4’s aforementioned Analysis show contains this line in the summary of its content: “Detractors refer to those asking for a new level of cultural sensitivity as ‘snowflakes’ and insist the offence they feel is self-indulgent. But history teaches that fringe discussions often graduate to mainstream norms. So are these new idealists setting a fresh standard for cultural sensitivity? A standard that society will eventually come to observe?”

Such a dreadful prospect should worry us all, but it will also be welcomed, not just by the social justice warriors of Twitter, but by British populists who dream of emulating the success of Donald J. Trump.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/21/lefts-fixation-cultural-appropriation-will-alienate-traditional/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

This load of pure shite just shows how far Dodge has actually lost the plot with this thread...

He has actually found a quote from some braindead right-wing dumbfuck, who in turn obviously has even less idea of the actual concepts involved..

"He's found a quote" for fuck sake Wolfie isn't that just what you post, You admitted to posting quotes and links ! Hoist with your own petard

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Didge wrote:Cultural appropriation has been happening forever and for good reasons
In November last year, Radio 4 broadcast an episode of its Analysis cultural show, entitled “Offence, Power and Progress”. It’s still online and I’ve bookmarked it, because I thought at the time it was an important contribution to our political discourse here in the UK.

It begins with an interview with Shardine Taylor-Stone, the vocalist with black feminist punk band, Big Joanie. “Earlier this year,” explains the presenter, Mobeen Azhar, “the band published a checklist online for venues who want to book them. It said that white people wearing anything that is not of their culture is offensive. That includes dreadlocks, saris, and bindis – the forehead marking rooted in Hinduism. The objective? To create a ‘safe space’ for the band in which the ills of cultural appropriation are understood by the venue’s staff and the audience.”

The show’s attention, perhaps inevitably, then turns to the United States, where the debate about identity politics and cultural appropriation is hardly even a “debate” any more. We learn that the music producer and singer, Pharrell Williams felt forced to apologise for wearing a Native American headdress, and that Katy Perry apologised for dressing as a geisha.

Most of us are well aware of the hypocrisies and illogicality of some of the offence so energetically taken by those seeking to signal their virtue and solidarity with the oppressed through social media. The online advice to all those venues queuing up to book Big Joanie contained no warning against people of Asian origin wearing dreadlocks, or people of Afro-Caribbean origin sporting a bindi, even if they’re not Hindu themselves. It need hardly be pointed out that Britain’s (and America’s) white majority are the bad guys who must atone for their ancestors’ sins of colonialism and slavery.

You do not need to have watched Ed Balls’s excellent BBC2 documentary, “Travels in Trumpland” to understand where America’s – or rather, the American Left’s – obsession with identity politics has brought it. Working class people who might, in previous decades, have considered themselves natural Democrat voters, have grown impatient with the party’s obsession with identity, its championing of minority causes and its anger – fury, even – at those who fail to share their dismay at every perceived micro-aggression against every minority group and culture.

Whether or not such complaints have any validity, the consequence is all too real for everyone in the world, and that consequence is sitting in the Oval Office right now.

Time was when the answer to the divisions of race was to cook up a “great big melting pot” in order to have “coffee coloured people by the score” – an analysis with which I was never comfortable, since it seemed to suggest the only way we could accept other cultures was if we all looked the same. Still, there is surely some value in a cross-fertilisation of cultures, where we eat and cook recipes from traditions other than our own, where we attend music events in order to experience music from different cultures, where we learn, through experience, about the lives of others.

Apparently not, however. Dawn Butler MP, shadow equalities minister, perhaps looks across the Atlantic with yearning for the anger, division and high-profile indignation that regularly secures Democrat politicians news coverage. Butler’s target was a white man – TV chef Jamie Oliver – who invoked the MP’s suitably public fury by launching a range of  “jerk rice”. As a result of Butler’s criticism for this “appropriation” of Jamaican culture, we all now know far more about “jerk” than any of us ever wanted to.

Butler recommended that Oliver should undergo a “masterclass” in Jamaican coking from British-Jamaican cook/musician, Levi Roots. Which sounds very much like “re-education”. Perhaps Oliver should be expected to issue a Katy Perry-like apology and announce he’s been on “a journey”.

I hope he will resist doing so. Because such attacks for the crime of cultural appropriation are rarely anything more than bullying, never carried out privately, but exclusively in the public eye in order to invite a “Twitterstorm” of support from the critic’s followers and – an unintended consequence, I’m sure – increase their public profile in the process.

Cultural appropriation has been happening forever and for three very good reasons: it is natural, unstoppable and inevitable. As a Scotsman I should perhaps get annoyed whenever I see an Englishman wearing a kilt, or when other countries brew their own whisky, or when chip shops outside Scotland serve deep-fried battered haggis (okay, I accept no one else does that). But I don’t, because cultures aren’t just fluid – they’re porous. They are influenced, usually positively, by other cultures living and thriving in close contact with them.

If Labour indulges this obsession with identity politics and encourages the taking of offence whenever a white woman dons a sari or chooses to fashion her hair into dreadlocks (note: black women straightening their hair to look more “western” is fine, apparently), then more and more working class voters, whose concerns are focused less on expensive rice for sale in Sainsbury’s and more on how to feed their children without resorting to a food bank, will be deservedly lost to the party.

Radio 4’s aforementioned Analysis show contains this line in the summary of its content: “Detractors refer to those asking for a new level of cultural sensitivity as ‘snowflakes’ and insist the offence they feel is self-indulgent. But history teaches that fringe discussions often graduate to mainstream norms. So are these new idealists setting a fresh standard for cultural sensitivity? A standard that society will eventually come to observe?”

Such a dreadful prospect should worry us all, but it will also be welcomed, not just by the social justice warriors of Twitter, but by British populists who dream of emulating the success of Donald J. Trump.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/21/lefts-fixation-cultural-appropriation-will-alienate-traditional/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

This load of pure shite just shows how far Dodge has actually lost the plot with this thread...

He has actually found a quote from some braindead right-wing dumbfuck,  who in turn obviously has even less idea of the actual concepts involved..

 

I see that braindead wetwipe cannot take on the points in the article and instead spews verbal diarrhea

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:




It still adpoting anoth nations dish dummy whether it originates in asia

pasta is the italian name being used by the west indians

doh

ha ha ha ha


I will wait for the penny to drop




The real jerk here is you

it's not Using Jerk that is Cultural Appropriation, it's Claiming it's Jerk When it's Not! and thus reducing their Culture to a meaningless advertising word without even showing the Basic respect to them of complying to the meaning of the word.

But the west indies ARE using pasta when they say pasta, So it is not the same.

Sorry to Deflate your Hate-boner for progress

Hilarious backward double talk giberish I have ever seen

I love how wet lefties are continually upset over nothing here
#
As seen the West Indies are as guilty of doing the same

I lived with black families for a while throughout my late teens and early twenties, and that seasoning in Jamie Oliver’s rice is NOT jerk.

But as I said, I bet most recipes that call themselves something, aren’t the original recipes from that country or culture.

Labour shadow cabinet minister Dawn Butler has accused celebrity chef Jamie Oliver of “cultural appropriation” because he’s marketing a Jamaican-themed recipe meal. “Your jerk Rice is not ok. This appropriation from Jamaica needs to stop,” she ranted on Twitter. She was soon joined by her colleague Clive Lewis who claimed Oliver’s product was a continuation of the ‘rape and pillage’ of slavery and a symptom of ’structural racism’.  Both argued that Oliver somehow stood in the way of black enterprise. This “denies too many black people a fair shot at doing the same thing,” claimed Lewis – which was odd since Butler had copied in Levi Roots into her original rant. Roots, of course, is a black British celebrity chef of Jamaican heritage who seems to have had more than a fair shot of putting Jamaican ready meals onto British supermarket shelves and his cooking sauces into pantries across the land.

Nevertheless, Roots weighed in in a video published by The Guardian in which he claimed Oliver (“or his marketing team”) had “made a mistake”.

This is rather rich, and frankly staggering hypocrisy, from Levi Roots who markets his own brand of Jamaican-flavoured pasta, noodles and curry without a by-your-leave from Italians, Thais or Indians.
Neither Butler nor Lewis seem to mind, and Roots’s comments demonstrate a startling lack of self-awareness. Perhaps he just wanted to be seen to be saying the right thing. Butler also hasn’t ever seemed troubled by arguably Britain’s most beloved TV chef, Ainsley Harriott – also of Jamaican heritage – marketing his take on Thai, Indian, Italian, Chinese, Moroccan, Mexican, Scottish, and Cajun cuisines.


One of the most famous faces on our supermarket shelves is ‘Uncle Ben’, who along with ‘Auntie Bessie’, ‘Mr Kipling’, and ‘Dr Oetker’, is an icon of (semi)fictional food producers. One fears that he will soon be a target of Dawn Butler’s crusade to cleanse our pallets of racially-mixed cuisines, particularly if she sees this advert.


Will Butler and her ilk be going after best-selling cookbook author Lorraine Pascale, born in the UK of Caribbean parents, who describes how she approaches cooking thus:

“Recently I’ve been like a mad food scientist in the kitchen; conducting culinary experiments using everyday ingredients and putting a wicked spin on some familiar traditional recipes. I’ve also drawn inspiration from my travels to Barcelona, Sri Lanka, Corsica and chilled-out Byron Bay, so be ready for a few surprises!”

In Canada, once of Vancouver’s most popular Jamaican chefs presides over his restaurant Pizza Jerk whose menu combines Jamaican jerk flavours with (Italian) pizza. They also offer a “Multicultural Soup Of The Day”.  It is a mix of “creative and authentic dishes” says Chef Bounty. Call me mad, but this seems to be the way to build non-racial and multicultural communities who feel part of the same society.

http://hurryupharry.org/2018/08/22/food-for-thoughtlessness/

How stupid can a human Be? 

Is Didge really this Stupid or do you think he is purposely being obtuse to hide his ignorance?

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:




It still adpoting anoth nations dish dummy whether it originates in asia

pasta is the italian name being used by the west indians

doh

ha ha ha ha


I will wait for the penny to drop




The real jerk here is you

it's not Using Jerk that is Cultural Appropriation, it's Claiming it's Jerk When it's Not! and thus reducing their Culture to a meaningless advertising word without even showing the Basic respect to them of complying to the meaning of the word.

But the west indies ARE using pasta when they say pasta, So it is not the same.

Sorry to Deflate your Hate-boner for progress

Hilarious backward double talk giberish I have ever seen

I love how wet lefties are continually upset over nothing here
#
As seen the West Indies are as guilty of doing the same

You haven't post a single example of them doing the same 

What Your posting is Fusion Cooking that is NOT Cultural Appropriation because it pays the necessary respect to the Originating Cultures by retaining Using the 'names' with the correct meaning. they are not just Stealing the name and putting it on something completely different 


Anyway I am sick of explaining this Basic concept to a Moron

eddie wrote:I lived with black families for a while throughout my late teens and early twenties, and that seasoning in Jamie Oliver’s rice is NOT jerk.

But as I said, I bet most recipes that call themselves something, aren’t the original recipes from that country or culture.

they don't have to be in many cases, it depends on what it is and what is the 'accepted' minimum conditions to be the thing. 

Like Jerk HAS to have All spice and Scotch Bonnets. Neapolitan sauce HAS to have Tomato and Garlic. they generally have a mix of additional herbs and spices but they vary from family to family so your allowed to be creative with in that scope and still call it "Eddies Neapolitan sauce" etc and your still being respectful to the origins of the recipe.

@Didge

Didge wrote:Labour shadow cabinet minister Dawn Butler has accused celebrity chef Jamie Oliver of “cultural appropriation” because he’s marketing a Jamaican-themed recipe meal. “Your jerk Rice is not ok. This appropriation from Jamaica needs to stop,” she ranted on Twitter. She was soon joined by her colleague Clive Lewis who claimed Oliver’s product was a continuation of the ‘rape and pillage’ of slavery and a symptom of ’structural racism’.  Both argued that Oliver somehow stood in the way of black enterprise. This “denies too many black people a fair shot at doing the same thing,” claimed Lewis – which was odd since Butler had copied in Levi Roots into her original rant. Roots, of course, is a black British celebrity chef of Jamaican heritage who seems to have had more than a fair shot of putting Jamaican ready meals onto British supermarket shelves and his cooking sauces into pantries across the land.

Nevertheless, Roots weighed in in a video published by The Guardian in which he claimed Oliver (“or his marketing team”) had “made a mistake”.

This is rather rich, and frankly staggering hypocrisy, from Levi Roots who markets his own brand of Jamaican-flavoured pasta, noodles and curry without a by-your-leave from Italians, Thais or Indians.

Neither Butler nor Lewis seem to mind, and Roots’s comments demonstrate a startling lack of self-awareness. Perhaps he just wanted to be seen to be saying the right thing. Butler also hasn’t ever seemed troubled by arguably Britain’s most beloved TV chef, Ainsley Harriott – also of Jamaican heritage – marketing his take on Thai, Indian, Italian, Chinese, Moroccan, Mexican, Scottish, and Cajun cuisines.

One of the most famous faces on our supermarket shelves is ‘Uncle Ben’, who along with ‘Auntie Bessie’, ‘Mr Kipling’, and ‘Dr Oetker’, is an icon of (semi)fictional food producers. One fears that he will soon be a target of Dawn Butler’s crusade to cleanse our pallets of racially-mixed cuisines, particularly if she sees this advert.

Will Butler and her ilk be going after best-selling cookbook author Lorraine Pascale, born in the UK of Caribbean parents, who describes how she approaches cooking thus:

“Recently I’ve been like a mad food scientist in the kitchen; conducting culinary experiments using everyday ingredients and putting a wicked spin on some familiar traditional recipes. I’ve also drawn inspiration from my travels to Barcelona, Sri Lanka, Corsica and chilled-out Byron Bay, so be ready for a few surprises!”

In Canada, once of Vancouver’s most popular Jamaican chefs presides over his restaurant Pizza Jerk whose menu combines Jamaican jerk flavours with (Italian) pizza. They also offer a “Multicultural Soup Of The Day”.  It is a mix of “creative and authentic dishes” says Chef Bounty. Call me mad, but this seems to be the way to build non-racial and multicultural communities who feel part of the same society.

http://hurryupharry.org/2018/08/22/food-for-thoughtlessness/

Bumped again to really embarress the village idiot and prove his double standards

Dude your fucking stupid 
You have not made a single point YET and that post means nothing, I cant even see how it is possible to be dumb enough to think that Post is even related. 

ARE you really THIS stupid? 

Again POST what in Your Silly little head is the issue with What you posted? 
Are you Really SO dumb you think Fusion and 'Inspired By' creations are the same as just Taking the Name and Attaching it to something that is Not the name.


it says 
"combines Jamaican jerk flavours with (Italian) pizza."
are you so Confused that you think that's the issue? 

I see the penny has still not dropped for the village idiot

Didge wrote:I see the penny has still not dropped for the village idiot

"Village idiot"? We're supposed to waste our time on names?

And the saying is: 'The acorn has not dropped far from the tree.' Wrong euphemism.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:I see the penny has still not dropped for the village idiot

"Village idiot"?  We're supposed to waste our time on names?

And the saying is: 'The acorn has not dropped far from the tree.'  Wrong euphemism.

Did you miss his name calling?

I guess so but I amnot complaining.

So another example where you are two faced  

The reality is veya is tying himself up in knots here contradicting himself

For the education of Quill

https://grammarist.com/usage/the-penny-dropped/

this is ridiculous

veya makes a very valid point about it not actually being the jerk if it hasn't got the necessary ingredients needed to make it jerk

however that's not what all the hoo har is about really is it. they, dawn butler et al, are banging on about cultural appropriation, not the wrong description.

the black people i grew up with probably wouldnt know whether to laugh or cry at this insanity

i like listening to bob marley,,,,,,,can I? am I allowed to? can I go one step further and sing along?

gelico wrote:

this is ridiculous

veya makes a very valid point about it not actually being the jerk if it hasn't got the necessary ingredients needed to make it jerk

however that's not what all the hoo har is about really is it.  they, dawn butler et al, are banging on about cultural appropriation, not the wrong description.

the black people i grew up with probably wouldnt know whether to laugh or cry at this insanity

i like listening to bob marley,,,,,,,can I?  am I allowed to?  can I go one step further and sing along?  

But why can you not call it Jerk rice?

Food adapts all the time. Hence why people adapt and change food types all the time, where this was vegitarian Jerk rice.

So based on that view, a veggie burger has no meat and thus cannot be classed as a burger and yet they are

Just because something is a variation, does not mean you cannot use that term

Hence the stupidity of those claiming cultural appropriation

Didge wrote:

gelico wrote:

this is ridiculous

veya makes a very valid point about it not actually being the jerk if it hasn't got the necessary ingredients needed to make it jerk

however that's not what all the hoo har is about really is it.  they, dawn butler et al, are banging on about cultural appropriation, not the wrong description.

the black people i grew up with probably wouldnt know whether to laugh or cry at this insanity

i like listening to bob marley,,,,,,,can I?  am I allowed to?  can I go one step further and sing along?  

But why can you not call it Jerk rice?

call it whatever you like.  my point is if there are certain ingredients needed to make jerk (as it's traditionally recognised) then to make something and just call it jerk wouldn't be correct.  it's not something i would make an issue about, nor do I think veya was either, he was just pointing that out.

you might as well put some chopped basil in a glass of olive oil and say 'why can't i call it mint sauce?'

gelico wrote:

Didge wrote:


But why can you not call it Jerk rice?

call it whatever you like.  my point is if there are certain ingredients needed to make jerk (as it's traditionally recognised) then to make something and just call it jerk wouldn't be correct.  it's not something i would make an issue about, nor do I think veya was either, he was just pointing that out.

you might as well put some chopped basil in a glass of olive oil and say 'why can't i call it mint sauce?'

Well the main ingedient into Burgers, nuggets, etc is meat

Are you going to start seeing the point yet?

This is vegitarian jerk rice

I mean what next? A curry is not a curry, unless based on the original first recipe?

I mean how far do you think variants have come on things like Shepherds Pie or Pizza's?

veya_victaous wrote:


and it's not Using Jerk that is Cultural Appropriation, it's Claiming it's Jerk When it's Not! and thus reducing their Culture to a meaningless advertising word without even showing the Basic respect to them of complying to the meaning of the word.

Sorry Gelico but he did claim Cultural Appropriation

I will add one thing.

If Jamie had of said "Authentic Jerk Rice" on the packaging

Then Gelico, you and veya would have a point.

He never did though

Its why for example there is many variant pasta sauces for spaghetti. Yet there is only one authentic traditional pasta sauce recipe for spaghetti . You can look up authentic traditional pasta sauce recipe for spaghetti. Yet I do not see anyone claim the mass of variants, are not pasta sauces for spaghatti.

So this is why food is so universal and why recipes constantly change over time. Though the authentic Jerk recipe will remain the same. Just as the authentic pasta sauce has

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:I see the penny has still not dropped for the village idiot

"Village idiot"?  We're supposed to waste our time on names?

And the saying is: 'The acorn has not dropped far from the tree.'  Wrong euphemism.

Did you miss his name calling?

I guess so but I amnot complaining.

So another example where you are two faced  

The reality is veya is tying himself up in knots here contradicting himself

I've not Contradicted myself once 

Cultural Appropriation is NOT just using or incorporating someones else culture, It is Using it without Respect.
You are just too thick to understand this, I literally Struggle to understand how stupid you must be to not be able to understand this. 

If I Do a meaningless Mock Movements and Singing that parodies Aboriginal Dance and Claim I'm doing an Aboriginal Dance that's Cultural Appropriation.
If I make an Honest Effort to Learn and Faithfully preform a Real Aboriginal Dance that's Not Cultural Appropriation, that is being respectful of other cultures.

If Jamie had said Jamaican Style Rice, he'd have been fine
but Jerk is a specific thing and his rice is not that 
he has shown No respect at all to the originating culture he has literally just stolen the word and slapped it on.


And there is NOT One traditional Sauce for Spaghetti. 
the Most common tomato based ones are Marinara, Bolognese or Neapolitan and much like Jerk there is Basic recipe each with Regional and Family variants.
Marinara = Tomato and Onion 
Neapolitan = Tomato and Garlic 
Bolognese = tomato and minced meat
In Addition to that there is a tonne on Non-Tomato based Spaghetti sauces like Alfredo or Carbonara.

'Spaghetti' Specifically refers to the Shape of the Pasta.

Yes there is a traditional athuentic pasta sauce and that was to give you an example of how any original athuentic dishes have mutated over time. Where people create their own variants.

You just without realizing posted up variants to the original pasta sauce. You went off common variations not the authentic original

Its a Jerk style rice. It does not have to be the same as the original recipe. You may not like that but that is tough. Its time you realised that recipes have adapated over time. Its something that should be celebrated, where food types become popular, from elsewhere

You then make the most absurd and unsubstanciated and subjective claim. That it is being done without respect.

That is baloney and what this boils down to is people getting upset over nothing. When as see countless authentic sauces have adapted over time. Let alone authentic food dishes have adapted over time

https://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/category/world/

You could not get a better advert and ambassador for multiulturalism. Than Jamie promoting world foods