GENERAL ELECTION 2017: The Results

by eddie Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:54 pm

First topic message reminder :

Post results.

I voted Libdems in the end.

by nicko Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:41 am

I think two reasons that May did not get an overall majority, One, she upset pensioners, Two, more young people voted Labour on the promise of free Uni education, and the young don't remember the shit we were in with Labour in the 70's.

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:42 am

Angry Andy wrote:On that we agree Thorin. I expeçt a more cross party negotiation over Brexit.
Corbyn has fought his whole career for a soft Breixit. The U Turn lady was a firm remainer who did what she always does, a whopping big U turn.
Sir Keir Starmer needs adding to the negotiation committee on Monday.

I hope for a soft and decent brexit Andy and due to the hung Parliament, i believe this will happen.
This is one area, that needs a consensus from all parties, as it effects one and all

by nicko Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:44 am

I think two reasons that May did not get an overall majority, One, she upset pensioners, Two, more young people voted Labour on the promise of free Uni education, and the young don't remember the shit we were in with Labour in the 70's.

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:44 am

nicko wrote:I think two reasons that May did not get an overall majority, One, she upset pensioners, Two, more young people voted Labour on the promise of free Uni education, and the young don't remember the shit we were in with Labour in the 70's.

i think you are spot on Nicko

by 'Wolfie Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:49 am

magica wrote:Cons won but theyre calling it a hung parliament.

48% of the vote means your beloved Tories "won" on a 'first across the line' basis...

But 48% is still a minority government..

Meaning that the Conservatives will have to resort to a fair bit of "horse trading" to get any bills passed through Parliament.

If Theresa May were to do the honourable thing, she will step down as PM on Monday morning..

by 'Wolfie Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:57 am

Thorin wrote:
Eilzel wrote:He won 40% of the vote. That's a fact.

And of course I forget, free university was only good for older generatioms right? Now you want kids to pay for their education because of the economic deficiencies of older generations.

He thus then lost, as he never had the majority

Fuck me the absurd logic of the left that think those second have won

Its Trump all over again

Wow who said it was right for the older generation? What a a daft argument. Further education should be paid by those who have this, as they no longer are kids, they are adults, so why should it be free? How are they kids? they are over 18, what are you now upping the age of children to 23?

Consider the facts, Doddery_one...

Labour went from less than 30% to over 40% -- a healthy turnaround, after Blair's legacy..

While your beloved Conservative crashed from around 60% to 48%..

And you call a drop of around a fifth of support as a "win", do you ?

Let's see any 48% minority gov't in any democratic parliament get bills through without cross-bench support !!!

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:04 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Thorin wrote:

He thus then lost, as he never had the majority

Fuck me the absurd logic of the left that think those second have won

Its Trump all over again

Wow who said it was right for the older generation? What a a daft argument. Further education should be paid by those who have this, as they no longer are kids, they are adults, so why should it be free? How are they kids? they are over 18, what are you now upping the age of children to 23?

Consider the facts, Doddery_one...

Labour went from less than 30% to over 40% -- a healthy turnaround, after Blair's legacy..

While your beloved Conservative crashed from around 60% to 48%..

And you call a drop of around a fifth of support as a "win", do you ?

Let's see any 48% minority gov't in any democratic parliament get bills through without cross-bench support !!!

They gained 30 seats, whoppdedoo, way short of even being near to winning and thank goodness

So nobody won last night, as we have a hung Parliment

by 'Wolfie Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:06 am

Thorin wrote:
nicko wrote:
I think two reasons that May did not get an overall majority, One, she upset pensioners, Two, more young people voted Labour on the promise of free Uni education, and the young don't remember the shit we were in with Labour in the 70's.

i think you are spot on Nicko

As an interested outsider to these events, I reckon you two ironed on conservative thinkers need to remove those rose-tinted glasses, and consider a third factor :

Just how arrogantly foolish were those Tories in revealing their slash-and-burn faux "austerity" measures and millionaire/corporate tax cuts as part of their election policy manifesto ???

A smarter party would have held off on some of those cruel threatened cuts to pensions, health, education, policing -- and "played their cards closer to their chest".

May has virtually mishandled the Tory's campaigning from day one..

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:07 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Thorin wrote:

i think you are spot on Nicko

As an interested outsider to these events, I reckon you two ironed on conservative thinkers need to remove those rose-tinted glasses, and consider a third factor :

Just how arrogantly foolish were those Tories in revealing their slash-and-burn faux "austerity" measures and millionaire/corporate tax cuts as part of their election policy manifesto ???

A smarter party would have held off on some of those cruel threatened cuts to pensions, health, education, policing -- and "played their cards closer to their chest".

May has mishandled the Tory's capaign from day one..

And I think you need to actually live here and even then begin to understand what Nicko is saying is right. The youth demand everything on a plate today and fail to understanding nothing is free, but expect that it should be. That is wrong and selfish

Again who cause the massive debt?

labour

How many successful socialist countries in history?

Zero

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:24 am

Heard a qualiry comment from a middle aged tory diehard on local radio just now, demanding voting be limited to those who are at work or aged 25-70.
Probably the only way the conservatives are going to prigress from now.

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:25 am

Who caused the massive debt?

The banks.

by Fred Moletrousers Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:27 am

nicko wrote:I think two reasons that May did not get an overall majority, One, she upset pensioners, Two, more young people voted Labour on the promise of free Uni education, and the young don't remember the shit we were in with Labour in the 70's.

I think you're right on those two points Nicko...the Tory manifesto shambles over care that led to a very public humiliating climbdown and the previously underestimated effect of the youth vote were two of the biggest factors in Labour's surge. in my opinion.

Plus, and I hate to have to admit it, the dramatic improvement in the personal appeal of Corbyn. He came across as relaxed, cheeful, confident...and a real Mr Nice Guy. OK, it was clearly the result of much coaching and expertise on behalf of Labour's spin doctors and campaign organisers - but it achieved results.

The manner in which the care proposals was presented by the Tories was an utter shambles. The fact that people going into long term local authority care would have been able to keep four times as much of their savings than now got shoved into the background and largely ignored while intensive use of the term "dementia tax", which was totally inaccurate because it was neither a tax nor anything more to do with dementia than any other long term debilitating disease or condition requiring care, was positively frightening to old folk - as Labour and the LibDems fully intended it to be.

The art of spin lives on, you see.

As to the youth vote one need only look at the unexpected results in Cambridge and Canterbury, both important university cities, to recognise the impact of Labour's pledge on tuition fees.

One has to admit, too, that the professionalism of Labour's campaign was light years ahead of that of the Tories, which was lacklustre and far too centred on May rather than using other senior figures such as Boris Johnson, who, love him or hate him, has a proven track record in capturing votes, and even dear old statesmanlike IDS who, like Like Labour's Frank Field before him, found himself drinking from the poison chalice that is welfare policy.

Now I don't like Corbyn; I don't trust him, I don't believe that leopards can change their spots as easily as he appears to have done, or do I believe all the honeyed words about only the very richest of society and big corporations facing "a bit more" on tax to pay for the massive and IMO impossible spending plans. And I wouldn't vote for him in a million years.

What now? I haven't a clue. If experts can't agree, I'm not going to attempt to do so...and in any case I'm far less interested in politics than I used to be.

But it sure ain't going to be dull.

by 'Wolfie Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:47 am

With 649 out of 650 seats declared, the Tories will end up 7 or 8 seats short of a majority...

However the RightWhingers on here want to spin it, the facts remain :
* The Tories lost seat;
The Labour Party (re)gained seats..

Suck it up, you motley lot of RW 'snowflakes' !!!

Those conservative pundits (like or beloved member DYKnose..) who were predicting a "landslide" victory for the Tories, and a corresponding "wipeout" for the evil Labour opposition were wrong, wrong, wrong..

Now, let's see if those would_be political gurus out there have the backbone, internal fortitude (and gumption..) to admit how wrong they were...

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:01 am

Labour had a comprehensive manifesto. It was fully costed. It might not have been affordable, but it was published for all to see. Corbyn has barely strayed from his lifetime ideology.
[size=32]May wrote a manifesto that was vague, short, a wish list and compketely uncosted.[/size]
[size=32]She U turned at every corner and ran a dour, negative smear campaign aimed at Corbyn personally, aided and abetted by her chums in Fleet Street, the Scum and the Mail instead of questioning his policies. [/size]

by veya_victaous Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:25 am

from the analysis i am seeing the result is the Youth voted this time so have voted against the brexit maddness of the old fuddy duddies

by Fuzzy Zack Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:04 pm

nicko wrote:I think two reasons that May did not get an overall majority, One, she upset pensioners, Two, more young people voted Labour on the promise of free Uni education, and the young don't remember the shit we were in with Labour in the 70's.

About 60% of over 65's voted Tory.

So the facts don't back your view.

by Fuzzy Zack Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:06 pm

Conservatives lost.

More importantly, May lost.

She has to resign. Or she'll be trampled by everyone, public, politicians and the media. She has no mandate.

by Fuzzy Zack Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:08 pm

Lib Dems are the only party who really won.

Corbyn needs another chance and must be kept as leader.

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:11 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
nicko wrote:I think two reasons that May did not get an overall majority, One, she upset pensioners, Two, more young people voted Labour on the promise of free Uni education, and the young don't remember the shit we were in with Labour in the 70's.

About 60% of over 65's voted Tory.

So the facts don't back your view.

actually it backs his views as that would be down on tory support from that age group

by nicko Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:12 pm

Zack, if you watched BBC this morning, the part about pissing off Pensioners was correct. It was also said that more young people voted,
and I bet they voted Labour !!

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:14 pm

She could do the unthinkable and attempt a coalition with Labour until Brexit is completed and we are finally out, then have another election in 2 years.
The country and the people come before party politics.

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:19 pm

nicko wrote:Zack, if you watched BBC this morning, the part about pissing off Pensioners was correct. It was also said that more young people voted,
and I bet they voted Labour !!

The young can see first hand the damage austerity has impacted onto them and their families..
May needs to be very worried. The young are on the march. They are more politically aware than ever before, and ( I know first hand from my uni daughter) they are bloody angry.
And more 18 year olds will be eligible to vote in 6 months or a year or 2 years.

by Fuzzy Zack Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:24 pm

nicko wrote:Zack, if you watched BBC this morning, the part about pissing off Pensioners was correct. It was also said that more young people voted,
and I bet they voted Labour !!

Yes, more (67%) of 18-24 year olds and 58% of 25-34's voted Labour.

But 59% of 65+ vote don't Tory.

by JulesV Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:34 pm

Many people thought it would be a landslide win for the tories. I remember saying on here that I did not think it would be a landslide - but someone appeared out of nowhere and jumped at me and said they would win handsomely. Cos some people think they know everything. Ah well. GENERAL ELECTION 2017: The Results - Page 2 2190311264

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by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:43 pm

Dick?
He will be slashing his wrists.
Darling May distraught. Coilition with terrorists. Corbyn never been more popular. UKIP are History. The country is pulling back from the brink of extreme right wing policies.

by Fuzzy Zack Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:45 pm

Jules wrote:Many people thought it would be a landslide win for the tories. I remember saying on here that I did not think it would be a landslide - but someone appeared out of nowhere and jumped at me and said they would win handsomely. Cos some people think they know everything. Ah well.

Funny how they've shut up now.

by JulesV Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:48 pm

Who is Dick? Hello Andy. xx

It was Thorin. I don't mind having my views challenged at all, but he was extremely curt and arrogant.

by Fuzzy Zack Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:53 pm

Jules wrote:Who is Dick? Hello Andy. xx

It was Thorin. I don't mind having my views challenged at all, but he was extremely curt and arrogant.

I think he meant Didge aka Thorin.

Everyone's autocorrect changes Didge to Dick. Maybe A.I. is more intelligent than we thought.

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:57 pm

Hi Jules. I actualky meant rabid Daen. He of Flop infamy. Spounted only a couple of days ago the tories would win by 100 seats.
He is a big a dolt as Thorin in rude.

by JulesV Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:59 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Jules wrote:Many people thought it would be a landslide win for the tories. I remember saying on here that I did not think it would be a landslide - but someone appeared out of nowhere and jumped at me and said they would win handsomely. Cos some people think they know everything. Ah well.

Funny how they've shut up now.

Elections often throw up surprising results. Look what happened with Trump.
I hope Theresa resigns in the next few months.
The DUP are from a province who had their referendum majority ignored ....
so it's ironic that Theresa had to go grovel to them.
Her gamble lost and she squeezed into power by grovelling to the DUP.

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:05 pm

Tories now in bed with the DUP, they'll probably shut up about association with terrorists now.

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Caroline Lucas quote.

I give you, the eversostable DUP:

Sinn Fein and DUP clash over terror links during heated debate

June 5 2017

Sinn Fein's Michelle O'Neill and Democratic Unionist Nigel Dodds repeatedly clashed over terrorist links during a heated televised election debate.

Mr Dodds called Ms O'Neill a "disgrace" for "eulogising IRA terrorism", while she hit back by accusing the DUP of accepting endorsement from the loyalist paramilitary group, the UDA.

The tone of the UTV general election debate between Northern Ireland's five main parties on Monday night drew criticism from UUP leader Robin Swann who sounded concern about the slim prospects of the return of powersharing at Stormont due to the "antagonistic" state of relations between the two largest parties.

Alliance leader Naomi Long and SDLP leader Colum Eastwood also criticised the political "squabbling" during a discussion about the recent terror attacks in Manchester and London.

When asked for their views on how to tackle international terrorism following the attacks Mr Swann turned the attention on Sinn Fein.

He said: "While I welcome Sinn Fein's ability to condemn these bombs I wish they'd do the same for the previous bombs."

Ms O'Neill hit back saying it was very unfortunate Mr Swann was using "something so atrocious to score political points".

She then added: "It's rich when unionism talk about links back to the IRA when the DUP accept endorsement from the UDA."

Ms O'Neill was referring to the endorsement of Mr Dodds and fellow DUP candidate Emma Little Pengelly in a UDA-linked Loyalist magazine.

In response Mr Dodds said: "For the leader of the republican movement, who goes around eulogising IRA murderers, to lecture other people is an absolute disgrace."

This was a reference to Ms O'Neill's attendance at a commemoration for eight IRA terrorists killed by the SAS at Loughgall.

Mrs Long criticised the parties for their "tasteless mudslinging", while Mr Eastwood said they should be "embarrassed"

"(The question) is not about here. It is about what has happened over the last number of weeks to innocent children, innocent people going about their daily lives," said Mr Eastwood.

He added: "Look at what the people of Manchester did. They unified. That is the response that is required."

The parties have just three weeks after the General Election to form an executive.

When asked about the prospect of the return of powersharing Ms O'Neill accused the DUP of "wanting to hold us back".

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-and-dup-clash-over-terror-links-during-heated-debate-35792042.html

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:22 pm

Another one of the DUP's beliefs

MLA backs event promoting teaching children creationism

AN event aimed at promoting the rejection of evolution among children has been endorsed by an MLA who wants to see creationism “taught in every school”.

DUP Assembly member for West Tyrone, Thomas Buchanan, praised those behind the conference titled ‘Reaching Children in an Evolutionised World’.

The event, taking place at Bready Reformed Presbyterian Church in Co Tyrone on October 1, is hosted by Christian organisation Creation Outreach Ministries, and features speakers who believe in creationism – the claim that God literally created the world in seven days, as told in the Bible.

The event includes a talk presenting “the biblical case for the sound teaching of children” that will “offer helpful practical advice on how to counter evolutionary teaching”.

The conference has been criticised by the organisations Atheist NI and NI Humanists.

However, Mr Buchanan praised its organisers.

“I’m someone who believes in creationism and that the world was spoken into existence in six days by His power,” Mr Buchanan said.

“I commend those behind this event for bringing forward a programme of reaching out to children who have been corrupted by the teaching of evolution.”

The Assemblyman added: “I long to see the day when every school in Northern Ireland will stand up and teach creationism, and turn away from the peddled lie that is evolution.”

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/09/21/news/mla-backs-conference-promoting-the-teaching-of-creationism-in-schools-702781/

by nicko Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:28 pm

Hello Zack, did you watch the news? all channels say it was the young vote that helped Labour, also pissing off the Pensioners.

You should wait before saying i'm wrong.

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:42 pm

Is an 18 year old's vote less important or credible than an 80 year olds?
For too long , the younger generation have shunned politics as a waste of time and effort.
They should be applauded for getting so involved, engaged, motivated and enthusiastic.
Or does that only count if yhey vote conservative?

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:09 pm

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The DUP are anti abortion, homophobic fundamentalists with paramilitary links. You can let your local MP know your concerns about this by email

by Eilzel Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:12 pm

Exactly Andy. Criticised as lazy and apathetic before- now criticized for not voting how some old and rich people would have liked. They can't win...

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:17 pm

Exciting tines ahead for Labour. 10's of thousands of new members, and so many youngsters, first time voters, and a new generation upcoming, all ready to engage, and wil not simply shrug their shoulders at politicians who do not care about them and issue policies that do direct harm.
They WILL vote Labour in heavy numbers, the movement is growing daily, weekly, monthly and yearly.
If the Conservatives aren't out of office in 5 years time, they surely will be destroyed at the next election.

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:23 pm

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pic of the DUP in South Africa in the 1980s on a tour SUPPORTING Apartheid

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by 'Wolfie Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:30 pm

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Thorin wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

As an interested outsider to these events, I reckon you two ironed on conservative thinkers need to remove those rose-tinted glasses, and consider a third factor :

Just how arrogantly foolish were those Tories in revealing their slash-and-burn faux "austerity" measures and millionaire/corporate tax cuts as part of their election policy manifesto ???

A smarter party would have held off on some of those cruel threatened cuts to pensions, health, education, policing -- and "played their cards closer to their chest".

May has mishandled the Tory's capaign from day one..

And I think you need to actually live here and even then begin to understand what Nicko is saying is right. The youth demand everything on a plate today and fail to understanding nothing is free, but expect that it should be. That is wrong and selfish

Again who cause the massive debt?

labour

Wrong again...

It was a combination of poor lending standards from your banks, poor financial regulations by both Tory and Labour gov'ts, and greedy corporations employing inbred idiots as directors..

How many successful socialist countries in history?

France, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Norway, Cuba, modern-day Germany, Finland have all had successful "socialist" leaning governments..

China, still with a communist government, now has the second-largest economy in the world.

Zero

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by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:30 pm

Fred:

Plus, and I hate to have to admit it, the dramatic improvement in the personal appeal of Corbyn. He came across as relaxed, cheeful, confident...and a real Mr Nice Guy. OK, it was clearly the result of much coaching and expertise on behalf of Labour's spin doctors and campaign organisers - but it achieved results.

Utter bollocks. Everyone who has ever met him knows the reason he came over so well was because he was relaxed and being himself and doing what he loves to do, fighting for justice for ordinary people. He even met his wife because he helped her get her niece back.

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:40 pm

May looks as if she has been coached by a dalek, and has a voice similar to the annoying cow at the Sainsbury self checkout. Repetitive and monotonous

by 'Wolfie Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:42 pm

Jules wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Funny how they've shut up now.

Elections often throw up surprising results. Look what happened with Trump.
I hope Theresa resigns in the next few months.
The DUP are from a province who had their referendum majority ignored ....
so it's ironic that Theresa had to go grovel to them.
Her gamble lost and she squeezed into power by grovelling to the DUP.

Northern Ireland was invaded and occupied by the English...

The NI government is an illegal occupying force..

As a collaborator with the NI occupying forces, surely that fascist little neo-nazi club the DUP should rightfully be classified as a criminal organisation ?

Viva le Revolucion ! tongue

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:46 pm

So May is getting into bed with LBGT bashing, anti abortion, creationist climate change deniers.
This is goung to end well!.

by Eilzel Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:54 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Jules wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Funny how they've shut up now.

Elections often throw up surprising results. Look what happened with Trump.
I hope Theresa resigns in the next few months.
The DUP are from a province who had their referendum majority ignored ....
so it's ironic that Theresa had to go grovel to them.
Her gamble lost and she squeezed into power by grovelling to the DUP.

Northern Ireland was invaded and occupied by the English...

The NI government is an illegal occupying force..

As a collaborator with the NI occupying forces, surely that fascist little neo-nazi club the DUP should rightfully be classified as a criminal organisation ?

Viva le Revolucion !

I am not at all happy with the DUP having a sniff of power. But if they can be considered an illegal occupying force after centuries of history- where does that put Australians?

by 'Wolfie Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:55 pm

Angry Andy wrote:
Hi Jules. I actualky meant rabid Daen. He of Flop infamy. Spounted only a couple of days ago the tories would win by 100 seats.
He is a big a dolt as Thorin in rude.

I'VE been pointing out for the last few years, whenever DYKbrain Deano has launched one of his usual looney anti-left tirades (on here, and a couple of previous sites..), just what a clueless and ignorant dolt he actually is...

He obviously knows zilch about politics, economics, or human behaviour..

Not only has he been claiming for months now that his lovely idol St Theresa would be returned with a record majority to launch a new golden age for Britain;

But he has also been promising us that we would see the British Labour movement obliterated, wiped out, destroyed.

Well, all I can say to Deano now is : "Suck it up, snowflake -- 'the Emperor has no clothes '! "
Now let's see if he has the courage as to change his idiotic signatures ?

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:56 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Jules wrote:

Elections often throw up surprising results. Look what happened with Trump.
I hope Theresa resigns in the next few months.
The DUP are from a province who had their referendum majority ignored ....
so it's ironic that Theresa had to go grovel to them.
Her gamble lost and she squeezed into power by grovelling to the DUP.

Northern Ireland was invaded and occupied by the English...

The NI government is an illegal occupying force..

As a collaborator with the NI occupying forces, surely that fascist little neo-nazi club the DUP should rightfully be classified as a criminal organisation ?

Viva le Revolucion !

Wwll there is some of the worst revisionist history going again

The Irish took up arms for James II, the deposed English King and were defeated by both the English and the Scots. The later of which took up lands confiscated by the British. As did some English. Hence why Protestantism is and always has been strong in Northern Ireland, due to the mass settle of Scots. So in no way is it illegal or an occupying force. As you seem to be applying the standards of today to events that happened centuries in the past.

So based on your reasoning, the European Aussie population is an occupying force and is illegal. Hence the absurdity of your inept attempts to understand history Wolf

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:57 pm

Eilzel wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Northern Ireland was invaded and occupied by the English...

The NI government is an illegal occupying force..

As a collaborator with the NI occupying forces, surely that fascist little neo-nazi club the DUP should rightfully be classified as a criminal organisation ?

Viva le Revolucion !

I am not at all happy with the DUP having a sniff of power. But if they can be considered an illegal occupying force after centuries of history- where does that put Australians?

Great minds think alike Laughing

by Andy Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:59 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:
Hi Jules. I actualky meant rabid Daen. He of Flop infamy. Spounted only a couple of days ago the tories would win by 100 seats.
He is a big a dolt as Thorin in rude.

I'VE been pointing out for the last few years, whenever DYKbrain Deano has launched one of his usual looney anti-left tirades (on here, and a couple of previous sites..), just what a clueless and ignorant dolt he actually is...

He obviously knows zilch about politics, economics, or human behaviour..

Not only has he been claiming for months now that his lovely idol St Theresa would be returned with a record majority to launch a new golden age for Britain;

But he has also been promising us that we would see the British Labour movement obliterated, wiped out, destroyed.

Well, all I can say to Deano now is : "Suck it up, snowflake -- 'the Emperor has no clothes '! "
Now let's see if he has the courage as to change his idiotic signatures ?

Inaflop has gone very quiet. Not a mention of the GE. I wonder why not.

by 'Wolfie Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:03 pm

Eilzel wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Northern Ireland was invaded and occupied by the English...

The NI government is an illegal occupying force..

As a collaborator with the NI occupying forces, surely that fascist little neo-nazi club the DUP should rightfully be classified as a criminal organisation ?

Viva le Revolucion !

I am not at all happy with the DUP having a sniff of power. But if they can be considered an illegal occupying force after centuries of history- where does that put Australians?

Completely different situation here, Eilzel..

Britain was the occupying force in Oz from 1788 until 1901..

Australian finally gained political and legal independence from Britain in the 1970s;
(The Queen remaining the queen of Oz, NZ and Canada no longer involves the British parliament -- the Governor Generals of each country being answerable to our own gov'ts..).

Northern Ireland is different -- they will only be independent from England when their governance is eventually and finally returned to Eire, where it rightfully belongs.

by Guest Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:06 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

I am not at all happy with the DUP having a sniff of power. But if they can be considered an illegal occupying force after centuries of history- where does that put Australians?

Completely different situation here, Eilzel..

Britain was the occupying force in Oz from 1788 until 1901..

Australian finally gained political and legal independence from Britain in the 1970s;
(The Queen remaining the queen of Oz, NZ and Canada no longer involves the British parliament -- the Governor Generals of each country being answerable to our own gov'ts..).

Northern Ireland is different -- they will only be independent from England when their governance is eventually and finally returned to Eire, where it rightfully belongs.

No difference at all, you seem to allow self determination for the Aussies but not the Northern Irish, as the later saw themselves and still see themselves as British. So again either Northern Ireland and Australia is occupied and illegal, or you are making yourself look silly here. So its not up to you to decide for the people of northern Ireland, its up to them. And I more than any want to united Ireland, but I respect the wishes o the people.

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