GENERAL ELECTION 2017: The Results

by eddie Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:54 pm

First topic message reminder :

Post results.

I voted Libdems in the end.

by Victorismyhero Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:53 am

one could quite easily ask "so why has May "got into bed " with another bunch of terrorists???

none of them have exactly "clean hands"

by Guest Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:55 am

Lord Foul wrote:one could quite easily ask "so why has May "got into bed " with another bunch of terrorists???

none of them have exactly "clean hands"

Interesting, as I would join you if she had

What terrorists?

I agree none have clean hands

I would rather back those who would get bloody, as I am sure you would?

by Guest Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:59 am

by Guest Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:01 pm

So no response to my question sassy?

by Fred Moletrousers Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:04 pm

Eilzel wrote:
sassy wrote:

I think you mean Coalition of Chaos with links to Terrorists lol. In fact, as it seems that having a coalition with the DUP might very well be against the rules of the Good Friday Agreement and the Tory knives are already out for May, I'd be very surprised if it lasts any time. Just the right way to go about having a good basis for Brexit negotiations!

Quite right lol
Probay won't have to wait 5 years for another election...

I reckon you're right there - my guess is that there will be some sticking point with the DUP, probably over Brexit and/or border security, and that they will withdraw their support over a matter of key legislation that offers the opposition parties an opportunity of tabling a motion of no confidence.

It wouldn't take many absentees from her own benches to tip things, even given the likely possibility that Corbyn that couldn't commandeer the support of every minor party member, and three line whips don't always guarantee 100 per cent compliance.

My big worry is that the deal will seriously piss off the person who could well be the salvation of the party and its badly damaged reputation - Ruth Davidson. The Tories' best hope, in my opinion, would be to get her into a safe Westminster seat pronto and just put up with the inevitable cries of "opportunism."

I also believe Theresa May faces the prospect of even less time before there's a late night knock on the door by a delegation of seriously disgruntled 1922 Committee members bearing stilettos.

The Tories can be a pretty ruthless lot, as Margaret Thatcher found out, and I would not be surprised if she finds herself packing the family photographs in No 10 before the party conference in October.

Meanwhile, I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the PM faces some of her senior cabinet colleagues demanding the heads of her two key aides, although dodging the subsequent blood splatter might be a bit of a challenge.

by Guest Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:07 pm

The Tories are forming a coalition with a party backed by terrorists

The UDA is a violent loyalist paramilitary group, which is still active today. Just weeks ago, it murdered a man in broad daylight in Northern Ireland – he was shot dead in a Sainsbury’s car park in front of horrified shoppers and his three-year-old son

Northern Irish politics has been thrust from the sidelines into centre stage this morning, as the UK woke up to a hung parliament and a DUP-Conservative coalition. After a disastrous election for Theresa May in which her gamble failed to secure the majority she sought, the obscure Northern Irish party’s support is now required for her to enter No 10.

A partnership between the Conservatives and the DUP will be deeply harmful and destabilising for the peace process in Northern Ireland, which is now being risked by the Tories in an unconscionable way in order to retain power.

Most striking about the Conservatives’ new stablemates is that after running a campaign based on fearmongering and whipping up false hysteria about Jeremy Corbyn and his alleged IRA sympathies, the Conservatives will enter government with the DUP, which is backed by the Ulster Defence Association (UDA).

The UDA is less known in England than the IRA, largely because they killed Northern Irish Catholics during the Troubles, which didn’t make the news as often as the killing of English people or security personnel. The UDA is a violent loyalist paramilitary group, which is still active today. Just weeks ago, it murdered a man in broad daylight in Northern Ireland. The man was shot dead in a Sainsbury’s car park in front of horrified shoppers and his three-year-old son.

The UDA backed the DUP in this election by issuing a statement in support of the party’s South Belfast candidate Emma Little Pengelly, “strongly urging” people to back her. The news drew sharp criticism from political opponents, including former Northern Ireland Justice Minister David Ford, who said: “Arlene Foster needs to make clear if her party accepts an endorsement by a group closely connected to the UDA. The electorate, particularly in South Belfast where this endorsement was given, deserve to know.

“It is now 2017 – paramilitaries should not even exist, never mind be giving ringing endorsements of political candidates.”

There is no suggestion that the DUP actively sought the endorsement from the group or that it in turn supports the UDA.

However, concerns were further fuelled when it emerged that the DUP’s leader Arlene Foster met with the UDA’s chief during the election campaign, just 48 hours after the murder of a local man in a supermarket car park. She defended the meeting, saying that the party did not support any terrorist groups or actively seek endorsement from them: “If people want to move away from criminality, from terrorism, we will help them to do that, but anyone who is engaged in this sort of activity should stop, should desist, and if they don’t they should be open to the full rigour of the law.”

When challenged on the issue during the live TV debates, the DUP’s Jeffrey Donaldson said that the party would “divorce” itself from any association with terrorist or paramilitary groups.

However, considering all the Conservatives’ talk about Corbyn and the IRA, it is now they who are entering coalition with a political party that has been backed by a terrorist organisation.

Such a move will have dire consequences for the peace process. In so doing, the Conservatives are essentially telling the DUP that they will turn a blind eye to it returning to the dark days, when Northern Irish politics was intertwined with bloody violence. This may embolden paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland who feel that they have been given a get-out-of-jail-free card from the Tories’ deal with the DUP.

The uncomfortable coalition of the Conservatives and the DUP has many more worrying implications for the peace process. An essential element of the peace process has been that the British government is, ostensibly at least, a neutral broker in talks between the Catholic and Protestant parties. Now however, the power balance has been permanently toppled as the DUP hold the cards in deciding whether the Conservatives remain in office. They no longer have any credibility of being neutral brokers in the Northern Ireland peace process. This will alienate Catholic/nationalist people in Northern Ireland who can no longer consider their position and status as equal in the British government’s eyes.

Lastly, amid all the general-election buzz it has been easy for many to forget that power-sharing had collapsed in Northern Ireland. Stormont fell in January when Sinn Féin pulled out of government with the DUP. Fresh elections were called in March in a bid to elect a new government willing to share power, but the same parties were returned and they have continued to refuse to come back to power-sharing. The latest deadline for an agreement is the end of this month.

Under a DUP-Conservative coalition, any chance of resolve is reduced even further. The DUP has little incentive to return to Stormont if it has far more power and influence than it could have ever dreamed of across the Irish Sea at Westminster. Similarly, Sinn Féin (which is vehemently anti-Conservative) is likely to feel alienated and mistrustful of the Conservatives and may boycott talks.

When she called the general election, it was clear that Theresa May had little idea of the damage such a poll could cause Northern Ireland at a crucial time for power-sharing. By entering into a coalition with the DUP, it is even more apparent that she does not consider peace or stability in Northern Ireland a priority. Instead, she is sacrificing years of work on the peace process in order to get the keys to No 10.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dup-conservatives-northern-ireland-coalition-ulster-defence-association-paramilitaries-peace-process-a7782631.html

by Syl Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:08 pm

Thorin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:The Tories fought a terrible campaign, and yet Corbyn still lost.

A very telling point.

How will Labour supporters respond to this fact?

Anyone would think they had actually won the damn election.

There have been no winners imo....just a mad bunch of liars who have no bloody idea of which way to turn.
God knows how the brexit communications will go now..the rest of the EU must be having a good time watching the way the Brit politicians make a good job of ballsing everything up in style.

by Guest Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:11 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

A very telling point.

How will Labour supporters respond to this fact?

Anyone would think they had actually won the damn election.

There have been no winners imo....just a mad bunch of liars who have no bloody idea of which way to turn.
God knows how the brexit communications will go now..the rest of the EU must be having a good time watching the way the Brit politicians make a good job of ballsing everything up in style.

I agree and yet some people take this as a victory

It shows they do not care .

by Fred Moletrousers Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:13 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

A very telling point.

How will Labour supporters respond to this fact?

Anyone would think they had actually won the damn election.

There have been no winners imo....just a mad bunch of liars who have no bloody idea of which way to turn.
God knows how the brexit communications will go now..the rest of the EU must be having a good time watching the way the Brit politicians make a good job of ballsing everything up in style.

I have to say that 56 seats and three quarters of a million votes behind wouldn't be my idea of a victory

by 'Wolfie Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:14 pm

ROLL ON indepence and reunification for Northern Ireland !!!

Now that May has declared her wish to hop into bed with a terrorist-supporting fascist sexist homophobic creationist bunch of inbred loony-toons..

Now watch even more Northern Ireland citizens flee across to the freedom/reunification side of NI politics.

As we watch Thorin, nicko and Freddy 'Kruger' Moletrousers crying in their beer on here..

by Raggamuffin Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:14 pm

The Tories won the election, otherwise we wouldn't have a Tory PM. I'm fairly happy with the result actually. They have no chance of getting a repeal of the hunting ban through now, and they will have to tread carefully re Brexit.

by Syl Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:15 pm

I'm not proud of not voting, but I would be even less happy to vote for one of these clowns.

They seem more determined to make the other party look bad than actually do something to help the actual people they are standing for.

I pity both of these 'leaders' when an honest, charismatic, genuine person steps up to the fray...though that probably wont be in my lifetime.

by Victorismyhero Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:18 pm

Thorin wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:one could quite easily ask "so why has May "got into bed " with another bunch of terrorists???

none of them have exactly "clean hands"

Interesting, as I would join you if she had

What terrorists?

the DUP the "political wing " of the UDA

I agree none have clean hands

I would rather back those who would get bloody, as I am sure you would?

not quite sure what you mean by that ?

by 'Wolfie Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:22 pm

2017 U.K. GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS :

Tories lost big time -- more than a dozen seats...

Labour regained seats -- despite conservative braggadocio..

May's reputation and standing crashed and burned.

Along with DYKnose Deano's !

Suck it up, you right wing 'snowflakes' !!! Sad

by Guest Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:23 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Interesting, as I would join you if she had

What terrorists?

the DUP the "political wing " of the UDA

I agree none have clean hands

I would rather back those who would get bloody, as I am sure you would?

not quite sure what you mean by that ?

Okay, you want me to condemn the DUP

No problem

I condemn them

Are you going to condemn your friends that support Hamas?

Hamas are Islamist's

I also support a two state solution

What I want to know, is when and why you are vocal on certain issues mate?

And not the more pressing ones?

Are you holding back?

by Victorismyhero Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:25 pm

I'm merely pointing out that neither are exactly covered in glory

by Raggamuffin Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:26 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

2017 U.K. GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS :

Tories lost big time -- more than a dozen seats...

Labour regained seats -- despite conservative braggadocio..

May's reputation and standing crashed and burned.

Along with DYKnose Deano's !

Suck it up, you right wing 'snowflakes' !!!

The Tories didn't lose the election though.

by Fred Moletrousers Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:30 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
sassy wrote:

Not quite the gentleman you pretend to be.

Fred is definitely a sexist pig -- as shown by his regular attacks against sassy, and other women.. Which "other women"? Which "regular attacks"? May we also regard as being "sexist" your real regular attacks against female posters?

Fred is a racist -- as shown by his regular pathetic apologies over British colonial crimes.. Really? Which "colonial crimes" would those be? And when? And may we please see the offending posts.

Fred is a nationalist nutter -- clearly demonstrated in his rabid attacks against me, veya and Quill. Quill? I have nothing but respect for Quill so perhaps you will show us one of those "rabid attacks." You two have amply demonstrated your overt racism time and time again and deserve all you get - not for being Australians but simply for being vile.

Thorin, nicko and Victor may may well find that old fuckbrain Fred a charming old soul, but I can't imagine Moletrousers having too many supporters amongst the non-English members on here..You could always ask all these "non-English members"...I wouldn't have a clue where anyone other than you two come from.

by eddie Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:32 pm

I have to say, it was very telling to see how Corbyn didn't lose as dramatically as most thought he would.
I was never a fan but I have to say I'm impressed by his voting numbers.

by nicko Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:45 pm

Wolfie, STFU, you don't know your arse from your elbow !!

And that's being polite.

by Fred Moletrousers Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:03 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Fred is definitely a sexist pig -- as shown by his regular attacks against sassy, and other women.. Which "other women"? Which "regular attacks"? May we also regard as being "sexist" your real regular attacks against female posters?

Fred is a racist -- as shown by his regular pathetic apologies over British colonial crimes.. Really? Which "colonial crimes" would those be? And when? And may we please see the offending posts.

Fred is a nationalist nutter -- clearly demonstrated in his rabid attacks against me, veya and Quill. Quill? I have nothing but respect for Quill so perhaps you will show us one of those "rabid attacks." You two have amply demonstrated your overt racism time and time again and deserve all you get - not for being Australians but simply for being vile.

Thorin, nicko and Victor may may well find that old fuckbrain Fred a charming old soul, but I can't imagine Moletrousers having too many supporters amongst the non-English members on here..You could always ask all these "non-English members"...I wouldn't have a clue where anyone other than you two come from.

Come on, you've had plenty of time to find examples of all these "rabid", "racist" and "sexist" posts of mine - if any exist. So where are they?

Ok, let's start with all these "rabid attacks" on Quill. Found any? No? Well Quill's a lawyer and no doubt has a lawyer's memory for detail, so go ahead and ask him when he's next online. One example from him and he has my abject apologies.

If you are having any trouble understanding the word "rabid" in a literary context I will, helpful as always, give you a recent example:

TWO DAYS now since DYKbrain has been seen around here !?!

Probably been hiding under his bed since he watched his beloved St Theresa crash and burn..

And who really could blame him, being the spineless little maggot that he is ?

He predicted : Tories cruising home with a 100 seat majority;
Labour wiped off the map;
UKIP gaining seats off labour.

And what did he see ???

Only the very opposite of his bold yet totally clueless predictions..

Not only is Deano a renown racist, xenophobic trolling piece of garbage -- but now he is clearly the stupidest dolt on NewsFix..

Not to mention a scheming scumbag who not only has been quoting a Thatcherism/Reagonomics & alt.right/neo-nazi "free market" icon is his signature for several months now, but only this week was caught out deliberately linking to a virus-infested neo-nazi blogsite in one of his posts !!!

I wonder who penned that rabid attack?

Nowwe'll move on to "racist attacks"...found any yet? Nope, didn't think so.

So let's move on further to "sexist attacks" on Sassy and all those other female posters. Well I did suggest that Sassy was shrieking (or something like that) "like a goosed nun" and if she truly finds that sexist I'll apologise to her now...even though its an old phrase commonly directed at both sexes.

But the other offended females? I can recall posting recently in response to Eddie, Syl, Horatio, Raggs and Sexy Mama, so I will ask them to tell us of any "sexist abuse" from me.

Anything ladies?

by Fred Moletrousers Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:05 pm

nicko wrote:Wolfie, STFU, you don't know your arse from your elbow !!

And that's being polite.

Yes he does Nicko. He keeps his head up his arse...and only brings it out to post rabid, racist messages to we Brits.

by Raggamuffin Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:14 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Come on, you've had plenty of time to find examples of all these "rabid", "racist" and "sexist" posts of mine - if any exist. So where are they?

Ok, let's start with all these "rabid attacks" on Quill. Found any? No? Well Quill's a lawyer and no doubt has a lawyer's memory for detail, so go ahead and ask him when he's next online. One example from him and he has my abject apologies.

If you are having any trouble understanding the word "rabid" in a literary contest I will, helpful as always, give you a recent example:

TWO DAYS now since DYKbrain has been seen around here !?!

Probably been hiding under his bed since he watched his beloved St Theresa crash and burn..

And who really could blame him, being the spineless little maggot that he is ?

He predicted : Tories cruising home with a 100 seat majority;
Labour wiped off the map;
UKIP gaining seats off labour.

And what did he see ???

Only the very opposite of his bold yet totally clueless predictions..

Not only is Deano a renown racist, xenophobic trolling piece of garbage -- but now he is clearly the stupidest dolt on NewsFix..

Not to mention a scheming scumbag who not only has been quoting a Thatcherism/Reagonomics & alt.right/neo-nazi "free market" icon is his signature for several months now, but only this week was caught out deliberately linking to a virus-infested neo-nazi blogsite in one of his posts !!!

I wonder who penned that rabid attack?

Nowwe'll move on to "racist attacks"...found any yet? Nope, didn't think so.

So let's move on further to "sexist attacks" on Sassy and all those other female posters. Well I did suggest that Sassy was shrieking (or something like that) "like a goosed nun" and if she truly finds that sexist I'll apologise to her now...even though its an old phrase commonly directed at both sexes.

But the other offended females? I can recall posting recently in response to Eddie, Syl, Horatio, Raggs and Sexy Mama, so I will ask them to tell us of any "sexist abuse" from me.

Anything ladies?

I don't recall any Fred. Laughing

by Victorismyhero Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:38 pm

see tis is the thing I have been banging on about for ages

with a couple (only) of exceptions...who are now banned and gone
I defy ANYONE to dig through the archives PROPERLY, sorting ACTUAL initiating abuse from justifieable retalliation, and come to any other conclusion that it is the leftmost leaning posters who are in fact responsible for the abuse and vileness. Lets be honest here you only have to criticise a person of colour for their ations, and you are (to the left,) not criticising the actions but being a racist shit to the perpetrator of said actions

I can only conclude that the left cant think, and must therefor resort permanently to the "victim card" in order to prop up their generally spurious arguments

by Eilzel Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:53 pm

Speaking as someone who considers himself a leftie, I have to say that in the case of this forum at least, Lord Foul is right, most of the abusive posts do indeed come from a minority of LW posters.

And that's a shame.

It's a bigger shame because as a leftie I do (perhaps arrogantly, I don't care) see the Left as generally being the side that care most for those less fortunate than themselves. The Left are the ones who champion equality.

So why do some of you (my fellow lefties) insist on jumping to insults at nearly every opportunity? There is no need. You hold (imo) the moral highground (politically). Don't stoop to the level of the those you oppose, and certainly not lower.

Be better.

by HoratioTarr Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:57 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

ROLL ON indepence and reunification for Northern Ireland !!!

Now that May has declared her wish to hop into bed with a terrorist-supporting fascist sexist homophobic creationist bunch of inbred loony-toons..

Now watch even more Northern Ireland citizens flee across to the freedom/reunification side of NI politics.

As we watch Thorin, nicko and Freddy 'Kruger' Moletrousers crying in their beer on here..

And Corbyn didn't?

by HoratioTarr Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:06 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Come on, you've had plenty of time to find examples of all these "rabid", "racist" and "sexist" posts of mine - if any exist. So where are they?

Ok, let's start with all these "rabid attacks" on Quill. Found any? No? Well Quill's a lawyer and no doubt has a lawyer's memory for detail, so go ahead and ask him when he's next online. One example from him and he has my abject apologies.

If you are having any trouble understanding the word "rabid" in a literary contest I will, helpful as always, give you a recent example:

TWO DAYS now since DYKbrain has been seen around here !?!

Probably been hiding under his bed since he watched his beloved St Theresa crash and burn..

And who really could blame him, being the spineless little maggot that he is ?

He predicted : Tories cruising home with a 100 seat majority;
Labour wiped off the map;
UKIP gaining seats off labour.

And what did he see ???

Only the very opposite of his bold yet totally clueless predictions..

Not only is Deano a renown racist, xenophobic trolling piece of garbage -- but now he is clearly the stupidest dolt on NewsFix..

Not to mention a scheming scumbag who not only has been quoting a Thatcherism/Reagonomics & alt.right/neo-nazi "free market" icon is his signature for several months now, but only this week was caught out deliberately linking to a virus-infested neo-nazi blogsite in one of his posts !!!

I wonder who penned that rabid attack?

Nowwe'll move on to "racist attacks"...found any yet? Nope, didn't think so.

So let's move on further to "sexist attacks" on Sassy and all those other female posters. Well I did suggest that Sassy was shrieking (or something like that) "like a goosed nun" and if she truly finds that sexist I'll apologise to her now...even though its an old phrase commonly directed at both sexes.

But the other offended females? I can recall posting recently in response to Eddie, Syl, Horatio, Raggs and Sexy Mama, so I will ask them to tell us of any "sexist abuse" from me.

Anything ladies?

A no from me. Here...give this to Wolfie

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by Victorismyhero Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:21 pm

Eilzel wrote:Speaking as someone who considers himself a leftie, I have to say that in the case of this forum at least, Lord Foul is right, most of the abusive posts do indeed come from a minority of LW posters.

And that's a shame.

It's a bigger shame because as a leftie I do (perhaps arrogantly, I don't care) see the Left as generally being the side that care most for those less fortunate than themselves. The Left are the ones who champion equality.

So why do some of you (my fellow lefties) insist on jumping to insults at nearly every opportunity? There is no need. You hold (imo) the moral highground (politically). Don't stoop to the level of the those you oppose, and certainly not lower.

Be better.

Thank you Eil...have a alien

by Miffs2 Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:04 pm

I live in a very safe Labour seat. So did I go out to vote? Of course I did and I voted Labour. My view has always been if you can't be bothered to get off your bum and vote they you don't get to moan about the results or criticise those who did bother to vote.
What do I think of the result? Tbh I was a bit Shocked

Teresa May has dropped a massive changer and she should go. She put her herself and her part before the country. She has made a laughing stock of herself. Spin as much as you like, that election result is an utter bloody disaster for the Tories. And the fact that they are now courting the DUP knocks me sick to the stomach.

by Raggamuffin Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:06 pm

I don't think Theresa May should go - not voluntarily anyway. The fact that the Tories didn't get a majority is no reason to run away.

by HoratioTarr Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:16 pm

by Victorismyhero Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:17 pm

by Syl Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:14 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Come on, you've had plenty of time to find examples of all these "rabid", "racist" and "sexist" posts of mine - if any exist. So where are they?

Ok, let's start with all these "rabid attacks" on Quill. Found any? No? Well Quill's a lawyer and no doubt has a lawyer's memory for detail, so go ahead and ask him when he's next online. One example from him and he has my abject apologies.

If you are having any trouble understanding the word "rabid" in a literary contest I will, helpful as always, give you a recent example:

TWO DAYS now since DYKbrain has been seen around here !?!

Probably been hiding under his bed since he watched his beloved St Theresa crash and burn..

And who really could blame him, being the spineless little maggot that he is ?

He predicted : Tories cruising home with a 100 seat majority;
Labour wiped off the map;
UKIP gaining seats off labour.

And what did he see ???

Only the very opposite of his bold yet totally clueless predictions..

Not only is Deano a renown racist, xenophobic trolling piece of garbage -- but now he is clearly the stupidest dolt on NewsFix..

Not to mention a scheming scumbag who not only has been quoting a Thatcherism/Reagonomics & alt.right/neo-nazi "free market" icon is his signature for several months now, but only this week was caught out deliberately linking to a virus-infested neo-nazi blogsite in one of his posts !!!

I wonder who penned that rabid attack?

Nowwe'll move on to "racist attacks"...found any yet? Nope, didn't think so.

So let's move on further to "sexist attacks" on Sassy and all those other female posters. Well I did suggest that Sassy was shrieking (or something like that) "like a goosed nun" and if she truly finds that sexist I'll apologise to her now...even though its an old phrase commonly directed at both sexes.

But the other offended females? I can recall posting recently in response to Eddie, Syl, Horatio, Raggs and Sexy Mama, so I will ask them to tell us of any "sexist abuse" from me.

Anything ladies?

I have no complaints....but then the accusation came from the forums equivalent to the village idiot, so no need to worry Fred. GENERAL ELECTION 2017: The Results - Page 5 4214183177

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by Guest Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:15 pm

Lord Foul wrote:

by Guest Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:18 pm

Miffs2 wrote:I live in a very safe Labour seat. So did I go out to vote? Of course I did and I voted Labour. My view has always been if you can't be bothered to get off your bum and vote they you don't get to moan about the results or criticise those who did bother to vote.
What do I think of the result? Tbh I was a bit
Teresa May has dropped a massive changer and she should go. She put her herself and her part before the country. She has made a laughing stock of herself. Spin as much as you like, that election result is an utter bloody disaster for the Tories. And the fact that they are now courting the DUP knocks me sick to the stomach.

I never moaned about the results and there is nobody worth voting for.
I have never understood how people will stupidly vote for extremists like Corbyn. He certainly would bring destruction to this country, as would May. It seems people think I should vote for something I do not back or believe in. Corbyn should have gone ages ago. Sadly he has conned the youth with candy through tuition fees and played to their selfish nature. That I would be more worried about how selfish our society has become.

by Fred Moletrousers Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:01 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think Theresa May should go - not voluntarily anyway. The fact that the Tories didn't get a majority is no reason to run away.

I don't think it's a case of the Tories not getting a majority; it's a case of why they didn't get a majority.

The organisation and running of the campaign was so inept, so inefficient, so incompetent and so jaw-droppingly absolutely bloody awful that the party literally managed to grab defeat from the jaws of victory in turning a potential landslide into what the Duke of Wellington said of Waterloo - a "damn close thing."

Although senior party Ministers are usually credited with titles such as "campaign manager" the actual work is done by professional staffers from party HQ, notably the party-employed, as opposed to civil service, communications and/or press officers.

It is also beginning to emerge that two particular close Downing Street aides to the PM must also bear much responsibility - and they should be given their marching orders.

The Labour machine has traditionally been good at presentation and are now particularly adept at exploiting the social media. The Tories really must do the same - starting now - if they are to stand any chance of being re-elected, whenever that occasion might be.

May herself, sadly, has turned out to be something of a liability where personality and presentation are concerned, and she is definitely not good in front of a TV camera. And that still matters today, in spite of all the new technology, otherwise party press officers wouldn't bother spending so much time hawking their ministers around broadcast studios all the time.

Maybe poaching whoever is doing Labour's media training would be a good start, though I'm sure that whoever it is won't be citing Diane Abbott's interviews as examples of his (or her - mustn't be sexist!) expertise.

by Fred Moletrousers Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:06 pm

Syl wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Come on, you've had plenty of time to find examples of all these "rabid", "racist" and "sexist" posts of mine - if any exist. So where are they?

Ok, let's start with all these "rabid attacks" on Quill. Found any? No? Well Quill's a lawyer and no doubt has a lawyer's memory for detail, so go ahead and ask him when he's next online. One example from him and he has my abject apologies.

If you are having any trouble understanding the word "rabid" in a literary contest I will, helpful as always, give you a recent example:

TWO DAYS now since DYKbrain has been seen around here !?!

Probably been hiding under his bed since he watched his beloved St Theresa crash and burn..

And who really could blame him, being the spineless little maggot that he is ?

He predicted : Tories cruising home with a 100 seat majority;
Labour wiped off the map;
UKIP gaining seats off labour.

And what did he see ???

Only the very opposite of his bold yet totally clueless predictions..

Not only is Deano a renown racist, xenophobic trolling piece of garbage -- but now he is clearly the stupidest dolt on NewsFix..

Not to mention a scheming scumbag who not only has been quoting a Thatcherism/Reagonomics & alt.right/neo-nazi "free market" icon is his signature for several months now, but only this week was caught out deliberately linking to a virus-infested neo-nazi blogsite in one of his posts !!!

I wonder who penned that rabid attack?

Nowwe'll move on to "racist attacks"...found any yet? Nope, didn't think so.

So let's move on further to "sexist attacks" on Sassy and all those other female posters. Well I did suggest that Sassy was shrieking (or something like that) "like a goosed nun" and if she truly finds that sexist I'll apologise to her now...even though its an old phrase commonly directed at both sexes.

But the other offended females? I can recall posting recently in response to Eddie, Syl, Horatio, Raggs and Sexy Mama, so I will ask them to tell us of any "sexist abuse" from me.

Anything ladies?

I have no complaints....but then the accusation came from the forums equivalent to the village idiot, so no need to worry Fred.

I'm not in the slightest worried Syl, but I think that if I am to be accused of sexist abuse towards what can only be a small and select group of female posters, it is only courtesy to ask them if they feel aggrieved.

As to Wolfie, my understanding was that he applied for the job of forum village idiot - but was rejected on the grounds of over-qualification.

by Guest Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:09 pm

Eilzel wrote:Speaking as someone who considers himself a leftie, I have to say that in the case of this forum at least, Lord Foul is right, most of the abusive posts do indeed come from a minority of LW posters.

And that's a shame.

It's a bigger shame because as a leftie I do (perhaps arrogantly, I don't care) see the Left as generally being the side that care most for those less fortunate than themselves. The Left are the ones who champion equality.

So why do some of you (my fellow lefties) insist on jumping to insults at nearly every opportunity? There is no need. You hold (imo) the moral highground (politically). Don't stoop to the level of the those you oppose, and certainly not lower.

Be better.

+1

by Syl Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:15 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Syl wrote:

I have no complaints....but then the accusation came from the forums equivalent to the village idiot, so no need to worry Fred.

I'm not in the slightest worried Syl, but I think that if I am to be accused of sexist abuse towards what can only be a small and select group of female posters, it is only courtesy to ask them if they feel aggrieved.

As to Wolfie, my understanding was that he applied for the job of forum village idiot - but was rejected on the grounds of over-qualification.

Now this IS a village idiot worth his title, portrayed fabulously in the film 'Ryan's daughter' by the late John Mills.
All other village idiots fade into insignificance.

GENERAL ELECTION 2017: The Results - Page 5 Ryansdaughter

GENERAL ELECTION 2017: The Results - Page 5 Ryansdaughter

by Raggamuffin Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:26 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think Theresa May should go - not voluntarily anyway. The fact that the Tories didn't get a majority is no reason to run away.

I don't think it's a case of the Tories not getting a majority; it's a case of why they didn't get a majority.

The organisation and running of the campaign was so inept, so inefficient, so incompetent and so jaw-droppingly absolutely bloody awful that the party literally managed to grab defeat from the jaws of victory in turning a potential landslide into what the Duke of Wellington said of Waterloo - a "damn close thing."

Although senior party Ministers are usually credited with titles such as "campaign manager" the actual work is done by professional staffers from party HQ, notably the party-employed, as opposed to civil service, communications and/or press officers.

It is also beginning to emerge that two particular close Downing Street aides to the PM must also bear much responsibility - and they should be given their marching orders.

The Labour machine has traditionally been good at presentation and are now particularly adept at exploiting the social media. The Tories really must do the same - starting now - if they are to stand any chance of being re-elected, whenever that occasion might be.

May herself, sadly, has turned out to be something of a liability where personality and presentation are concerned, and she is definitely not good in front of a TV camera. And that still matters today, in spite of all the new technology, otherwise party press officers wouldn't bother spending so much time hawking their ministers around broadcast studios all the time.

Maybe poaching whoever is doing Labour's media training would be a good start, though I'm sure that whoever it is won't be citing Diane Abbott's interviews as examples of his (or her - mustn't be sexist!) expertise.

I didn't really watch the campaign, so I can't comment about that. Was the landslide really predicted in a realistic manner though, or did the press and/or the public just take the view that Corbyn was unelectable? The campaign might not have made a difference.

by Fred Moletrousers Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:35 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

I don't think it's a case of the Tories not getting a majority; it's a case of why they didn't get a majority.

The organisation and running of the campaign was so inept, so inefficient, so incompetent and so jaw-droppingly absolutely bloody awful that the party literally managed to grab defeat from the jaws of victory in turning a potential landslide into what the Duke of Wellington said of Waterloo - a "damn close thing."

Although senior party Ministers are usually credited with titles such as "campaign manager" the actual work is done by professional staffers from party HQ, notably the party-employed, as opposed to civil service, communications and/or press officers.

It is also beginning to emerge that two particular close Downing Street aides to the PM must also bear much responsibility - and they should be given their marching orders.

The Labour machine has traditionally been good at presentation and are now particularly adept at exploiting the social media. The Tories really must do the same - starting now - if they are to stand any chance of being re-elected, whenever that occasion might be.

May herself, sadly, has turned out to be something of a liability where personality and presentation are concerned, and she is definitely not good in front of a TV camera. And that still matters today, in spite of all the new technology, otherwise party press officers wouldn't bother spending so much time hawking their ministers around broadcast studios all the time.

Maybe poaching whoever is doing Labour's media training would be a good start, though I'm sure that whoever it is won't be citing Diane Abbott's interviews as examples of his (or her - mustn't be sexist!) expertise.

I didn't really watch the campaign, so I can't comment about that. Was the landslide really predicted in a realistic manner though, or did the press and/or the public just take the view that Corbyn was unelectable? The campaign might not have made a difference.

Personally I think the campaign made all the difference: Labour's was very good, professionally organised and orchestrated, and the leading spokespersons (God, I hate that word but I am so afraid of Sassy again accusing me of "sexist abuse" that I daren't use "spokesmen"!) offered nothing but positiveness and hope (don't get me wrong here, folk; I didn't believe a frigging word of it).

The Tories seemed tired and lacklustre - and that's being charitable - and concentrating on the leader simply didn't work in Theresa May's case because whatever else her attributes, she doesn't have the character and personality for glad-handing and mixing jovially with (stage managed) crowds of supporters.

But having said that, Corbyn was able to concentrate wholly on presenting himself to the exclusion of all else; May was still Prime Minister, not only with Brexit looming increasingly large, but also with the dreadful effects of two separate and serious terrorist attacks to deal with on a 24-hour a day basis. No wonder she looked so desperately tired most of the time, and I'm absolutely amazed that none of her supporters or - from what I've seen - the mainstream media had the decency to give her credit for that.

As to polls, I have never believed them...and that's why you haven't seen any wild predictions of failure or success on either side from me.

by Raggamuffin Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:39 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't really watch the campaign, so I can't comment about that. Was the landslide really predicted in a realistic manner though, or did the press and/or the public just take the view that Corbyn was unelectable? The campaign might not have made a difference.

Personally I think the campaign made all the difference: Labour's was very good, professionally organised and orchestrated, and the leading spokespersons (God, I hate that word but I am so afraid of Sassy again accusing me of "sexist abuse" that I daren't use "spokesmen"!) offered nothing but positiveness and hope (don't get me wrong here, folk; I didn't believe a frigging word of it).

The Tories seemed tired and lacklustre - and that's being charitable - and concentrating on the leader simply didn't work in Theresa May's case because whatever else her attributes, she doesn't have the character and personality for glad-handing and mixing jovially with (stage managed) crowds of supporters.

But having said that, Corbyn was able to concentrate wholly on presenting himself to the exclusion of all else; May was still Prime Minister, not only with Brexit looming increasingly large, but also with the dreadful effects of two separate and serious terrorist attacks to deal with on a 24-hour a day basis. No wonder she looked so desperately tired most of the time, and I'm absolutely amazed that none of her supporters or - from what I've seen - the mainstream media had the decency to give her credit for that.

As to polls, I have never believed them...and that's why you haven't seen any wild predictions of failure or success on either side from me.

Nobody has really discussed whether or not the recent terrorist attacks had a bearing on the way people voted. It happened on May's watch, so perhaps that did have an effect. There was a great opportunity to accuse her of cutting police services and that kind of thing.

by Fred Moletrousers Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:50 am

Syl wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

I'm not in the slightest worried Syl, but I think that if I am to be accused of sexist abuse towards what can only be a small and select group of female posters, it is only courtesy to ask them if they feel aggrieved.

As to Wolfie, my understanding was that he applied for the job of forum village idiot - but was rejected on the grounds of over-qualification.

Now this IS a village idiot worth his title, portrayed fabulously in the film 'Ryan's daughter' by the late John Mills.
All other village idiots fade into insignificance.

Yes, an absolute classic and a truly great portrayal.

Another great village idiot role was the Loon in, I think (though by no means am certain), one of Alan Ayckbourne's stage farces. Can't remember the name and a memory jog would be gratefully received.

He was on stage looking gormless when the principal actor strode up to him and said something like "Who are you, my man, and what is this place called?"

After a long pause and much straw chewing, the village idiot answered slowly: "I am a loon, and this place is called Soil. That's because there is much soil 'ere."

I did quite a lot of AmDram but was never lucky enough to land that role.

by Guest Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:01 am

John McDonnell makes clear Labour will take Britain out of the single market as remaining in would not honour the referendum result. He is of course correct. Important message for those Remainers who are trying to use the election to overturn the referendum result, despite 580+ MPs being elected on pro-Brexit manifestos…

As slippery Chuka grovels for a place in Corbyn’s Shadow Cabinet and Yvette cancels her leadership bid, it is left to Chris Leslie to give some truth bullets to Labour hipsters. He says this is not some “famous victory“, with a better leader Labour would have won and that the result was “not good enough“. A helpful reminder to Twitter Corbynistas that the Tories are in charge and they aren’t getting any of that free stuff…

https://order-order.com/

by Fred Moletrousers Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:49 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Personally I think the campaign made all the difference: Labour's was very good, professionally organised and orchestrated, and the leading spokespersons (God, I hate that word but I am so afraid of Sassy again accusing me of "sexist abuse" that I daren't use "spokesmen"!) offered nothing but positiveness and hope (don't get me wrong here, folk; I didn't believe a frigging word of it).

The Tories seemed tired and lacklustre - and that's being charitable - and concentrating on the leader simply didn't work in Theresa May's case because whatever else her attributes, she doesn't have the character and personality for glad-handing and mixing jovially with (stage managed) crowds of supporters.

But having said that, Corbyn was able to concentrate wholly on presenting himself to the exclusion of all else; May was still Prime Minister, not only with Brexit looming increasingly large, but also with the dreadful effects of two separate and serious terrorist attacks to deal with on a 24-hour a day basis. No wonder she looked so desperately tired most of the time, and I'm absolutely amazed that none of her supporters or - from what I've seen - the mainstream media had the decency to give her credit for that.

As to polls, I have never believed them...and that's why you haven't seen any wild predictions of failure or success on either side from me.

Nobody has really discussed whether or not the recent terrorist attacks had a bearing on the way people voted. It happened on May's watch, so perhaps that did have an effect. There was a great opportunity to accuse her of cutting police services and that kind of thing.

That is very true, and I certainly never went along with cuts to the police force. Living in a very rural area, we never see a copper and have had to set up Speedwatch and Streetwatch teams in an attempt to do a bit to protect ourselves.

I still don't think that we can dismiss entirely the effects of the sheer stress and responsibility that would obviously have fallen on May in having to cope with Brexit, two terrorist attacks with multiple fatalities and electioneering all at the same time.

I wouldn't expect any sort of sympathy from most of the Labour zealots here - just the opposite, in fact - but I would hope some more decent souls might at least spare her the odd thought.

by nicko Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:53 pm

I bet she didn't sleep well for the last few days.

by Syl Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:35 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Syl wrote:

Now this IS a village idiot worth his title, portrayed fabulously in the film 'Ryan's daughter' by the late John Mills.
All other village idiots fade into insignificance.

Yes, an absolute classic and a truly great portrayal.

Another great village idiot role was the Loon in, I think (though by no means am certain), one of Alan Ayckbourne's stage farces. Can't remember the name and a memory jog would be gratefully received.

He was on stage looking gormless when the principal actor strode up to him and said something like "Who are you, my man, and what is this place called?"

After a long pause and much straw chewing, the village idiot answered slowly: "I am a loon, and this place is called Soil. That's because there is much soil 'ere."

I did quite a lot of AmDram but was never lucky enough to land that role.

I love Alan Ayckbourne's plays....don't know this one though.

Sorry have taken thread off topic, back to politics. silent

by Fred Moletrousers Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:43 pm

Syl wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Yes, an absolute classic and a truly great portrayal.

Another great village idiot role was the Loon in, I think (though by no means am certain), one of Alan Ayckbourne's stage farces. Can't remember the name and a memory jog would be gratefully received.

He was on stage looking gormless when the principal actor strode up to him and said something like "Who are you, my man, and what is this place called?"

After a long pause and much straw chewing, the village idiot answered slowly: "I am a loon, and this place is called Soil. That's because there is much soil 'ere."

I did quite a lot of AmDram but was never lucky enough to land that role.

I love Alan Ayckbourne's plays....don't know this one though.

Sorry have taken thread off topic, back to politics.

Syl, at this very moment I for one positively welcome a break from politics...

by Syl Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:50 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Syl wrote:

I love Alan Ayckbourne's plays....don't know this one though.

Sorry have taken thread off topic, back to politics.

Syl, at this very moment I for one positively welcome a break from politics...

Every thread I have started in the last 2 weeks has been about everything other than politics......so I'm doing my bit. Twisted Evil

by Andy Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:57 pm

Today will be a welcome respite, but I feel there is going to be a lot more action this week. Can Mayhem do a deal with the DUP, after what she said about Corbyn and Sinn Fein?
Will the Scottish Conservatives have a say?
Will her cabinet be 100% behind her?
Are the rw press ganging up on her?
Are there secret converations between conservative cabinet members looking for a leadership challenge?
Can she negotiate a deal of ANY kind with Brexit, or would she look more statesmanlike if she drafted Sir Keir Starmer as a cross party netogiator?
Is she prepared to put the ongoing peace initiative in Northern Ireland in jeopardy over her own political career?
Does she have any honour ( left)?
Her position is looking tenuous, if not yet untenable.

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