Donald Trump the president of the united states of america is absolutely right

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:Has anyone noticed that the majority of the ladies who support Trump are remarkably beautiful?  
There are a few attractive Liberals out there, but the rest of them look like Rachel Maddow, Whoopi Goldberg, or Rosie O'Donnell.

come on you can say it, they look like the back end of a bus.
it does seem a trait with the left. I guess being so earnest takes all their time and they have none left to care about looks.

#IllGetMeCoat

The Devil, You Know wrote:in the words of the guvenator
I'll be back.
Perhaps some more of the sheeple  will give an opinion on what was said in the OP by then.

eddie wrote:Okay. I've read the OP a couple of times and I can't see what is wrong with what was said...unless I'm completely misunderstanding the topic.
Isn't Trump saying that he doesn't want illegal immigrants entering unlawfully and then illegally 'jumping the queue' in front of other immigrants who're waiting their turn, patiently?

Or have I missed the point.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I thought it was more than an answer to your question.  I didn't just give you a yes/no, but I gave you a weighted response on a scale of 1 to 10.



It's not lawyers you've heard that about; it's Republican politicians.  Kellyanne Conway gave the Republican mantra when she spoke of "alternative facts".  Possibly, it is an alternative fact that the earth is flat.



head, first you claim that no one responds.  Then you claim that the response is not the one you expected.  Now you say, you will substitute in an answer for me.  Were you the one who was complaining that Wolf didn't know how to debate?

Never mind...don't answer that.  I will substitute in your answer for you.

no one has responded to the op, I have had abuses from bee creep, avoindance from a couple of others. I only recall 2 people making any comment ont he actual post and what was said, one from tommy who agreed  and one from syl who also, if I recall correctly was in favour of what was said.

You I have to presume are against the gist of what was said. I have no idea what ben's view is.
and others seem to have avoided it entirely.

for a forum that hates all things trump it surprises me that there has not been more reaction of either positive or negative viewpoints.


do people here not think americas borders should be protected and those who use illegal labour prosecuted which is effectively what the OP boils down to.

I see someone was brave enough to red stripe it, perhaps they could also comment or maybe they dont have the language skills to make a point coherently.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
come on you can say it, they look like the back end of a bus.
it does seem a trait with the left. I guess being so earnest takes all their time and they have none left to care about looks.

#IllGetMeCoat

Cheap paid models from his Miss Universe contingent...

Getting their boobs out for the Trump foundation...

Anybody get get selective with the photo's they choose..


Nice deflection there, though, boyz...

Take the heat off poor li'l Deano making such a prat of himself over the past couple of days...

Angry Andy wrote:Hey Doom, while you are back on Flop refuelling yourself, give Stormee a hug. And tell him he isn't missed here.

Ben Reilly wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:in the words of the guvenator
I'll be back.
Perhaps some more of the sheeple  will give an opinion on what was said in the OP by then.

Ben Reilly wrote:Oh, and your little comparison of the physical attributes of liberal vs. conservative women?Disgusting.

The two of you should learn to act like grown men even you're not, because you're embarrassing the hell out of yourselves. I'm pretty sure you're both married, too -- your wives must be so happy.

eddie wrote:Okay. I've read the OP a couple of times and I can't see what is wrong with what was said...unless I'm completely misunderstanding the topic.
Isn't Trump saying that he doesn't want illegal immigrants entering unlawfully and then illegally 'jumping the queue' in front of other immigrants who're waiting their turn, patiently?

Or have I missed the point.

Ben Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Okay. I've read the OP a couple of times and I can't see what is wrong with what was said...unless I'm completely misunderstanding the topic.
Isn't Trump saying that he doesn't want illegal immigrants entering unlawfully and then illegally 'jumping the queue' in front of other immigrants who're waiting their turn, patiently?

Or have I missed the point.

Check out my third-to-last post (or something -- it's long). Basically this whole thread is a bag of gummy DYKs.

Original Quill wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
no one has responded to the op, I have had abuses from bee creep, avoindance from a couple of others. I only recall 2 people making any comment ont he actual post and what was said, one from tommy who agreed  and one from syl who also, if I recall correctly was in favour of what was said.

You I have to presume are against the gist of what was said. I have no idea what ben's view is.
and others seem to have avoided it entirely.

for a forum that hates all things trump it surprises me that there has not been more reaction of either positive or negative viewpoints.


do people here not think americas borders should be protected and those who use illegal labour prosecuted which is effectively what the OP boils down to.

I see someone was brave enough to red stripe it, perhaps they could also comment or maybe they dont have the language skills to make a point coherently.

Dean, it's not a very deep or sophisticated statement.  It's more of a xenophobic rant...Ugg, gotta protect borders...go away bad guys...my hunting grounds!!!  



I mean, it doesn't take a lot of analysis to respond to that.

My response was to say it isn't a high priority with me.  I said it, and was done.  

When I saw you deviate from the central topic, I rather thought you agreed...not much here, let's go over there.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Dean, it's not a very deep or sophisticated statement.  It's more of a xenophobic rant...Ugg, gotta protect borders...go away bad guys...my hunting grounds!!!  



I mean, it doesn't take a lot of analysis to respond to that.

My response was to say it isn't a high priority with me.  I said it, and was done.  

When I saw you deviate from the central topic, I rather thought you agreed...not much here, let's go over there.

hallefuvcking lulya, you managed to say something directly and I fully applaud you for it.
I happen to disagree and I wholeheartedly support what was said in the first post, but at least you have finally taken of your lawyers hat and  committed. thank you so much, if only your fellow travellers had the balls to actually say what they mean it would be so refreshing.

Deean wrote:As to deviating from the central topic I have only responded to what others have said, I think from most of my posts in this thread I have been quite intent at getting to the nub of what others think about the OP.
I dont think it was I that deviated.

Original Quill wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
hallefuvcking lulya, you managed to say something directly and I fully applaud you for it.
I happen to disagree and I wholeheartedly support what was said in the first post, but at least you have finally taken of your lawyers hat and  committed. thank you so much, if only your fellow travellers had the balls to actually say what they mean it would be so refreshing.

Hahaha...well, I detect a slight bit of sarcasm there.     Gd for you!    I thought I'd given my opinion in my first post.

head wrote:As to deviating from the central topic I have only responded to what others have said, I think from most of my posts in this thread I have been quite intent at getting to the nub of what others think about the OP.
I dont think it was I that deviated.

The Devil, You Know wrote:we all agree on the need to better secure the border and punish employers who chose to hire illegal immigrants, we are a generous and welcoming people in the united states but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
We simply cannot allow people to pour into the united states, undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country

Thorin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:we all agree on the need to better secure the border and punish employers who chose to hire illegal immigrants, we are a generous and welcoming people in the united states but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
We simply cannot allow people to pour into the united states, undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country

And yet by his policies on this, it shows he is wrong in applying the above view in practice. As the policies he has implemented conflict with the constitution and utterly fail in making the US any safer. Its also based off a poor guilt by association, not even looking at the root cause of crime itself. Its blaming all illegal immigrants for crime, which is clearly incorrect. To base a policy, this is some how going to make the US safer. The comprehension to build a wall thousands of miles long, will be utterly ineffective also. It will be impossible to monitor the entire length of this wall, let alone man it. People will simple tunnel under.

Ever heard of the "Great Escape"

If Trump really wanted to tackle crime and make the US safer. He would tackle poverty, not only within the US, but the Central American countries.

So is he right?

No, but because the view offered fails completely to tackle the claims made on security, safety etc. Its poorly trying to push a problem away, when the nation already has a crime problem.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

And yet by his policies on this, it shows he is wrong in applying the above view in practice. As the policies he has implemented conflict with the constitution and utterly fail in making the US any safer. Its also based off a poor guilt by association, not even looking at the root cause of crime itself. Its blaming all illegal immigrants for crime, which is clearly incorrect. To base a policy, this is some how going to make the US safer. The comprehension to build a wall thousands of miles long, will be utterly ineffective also. It will be impossible to monitor the entire length of this wall, let alone man it. People will simple tunnel under.

Ever heard of the "Great Escape"

If Trump really wanted to tackle crime and make the US safer. He would tackle poverty, not only within the US, but the Central American countries.

So is he right?

No, but because the view offered fails completely to tackle the claims made on security, safety etc. Its poorly trying to push a problem away, when the nation already has a crime problem.

well done old boy, you managed to make your points without getting sidetracked.
so just to clarify you dont agree at all with what is said in the OP and you think the person who said it is totally wrong.

Tommy Monk wrote:

If you are opposed to the op statement then you must be mad...

Thorin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

If you are opposed to the op statement then you must be mad...

Ah the quack doctor Tommy, spouting off his usual irrelevance.

Counter my points, if you think I am wrong

Thorin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:we all agree on the need to better secure the border and punish employers who chose to hire illegal immigrants, we are a generous and welcoming people in the united states but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
We simply cannot allow people to pour into the united states, undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country

And yet by his policies on this, it shows he is wrong in applying the above view in practice. As the policies he has implemented conflict with the constitution and utterly fail in making the US any safer. Its also based off a poor guilt by association, not even looking at the root cause of crime itself. Its blaming all illegal immigrants for crime, which is clearly incorrect. To base a policy, this is some how going to make the US safer. The comprehension to build a wall thousands of miles long, will be utterly ineffective also. It will be impossible to monitor the entire length of this wall, let alone man it. People will simple tunnel under.

Ever heard of the "Great Escape"

If Trump really wanted to tackle crime and make the US safer. He would tackle poverty, not only within the US, but the Central American countries. Make life better in all countries, where then people would have no need to leave the problems they face.

So is he right?

No, but because the view offered fails completely to tackle the claims made on security, safety etc. Its poorly trying to push a problem away, when the nation already has a crime problem.

Thorin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:we all agree on the need to better secure the border and punish employers who chose to hire illegal immigrants, we are a generous and welcoming people in the united states but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
We simply cannot allow people to pour into the united states, undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country

And yet by his policies on this, it shows he is wrong in applying the above view in practice. As the policies he has implemented conflict with the constitution and utterly fail in making the US any safer. Its also based off a poor guilt by association, not even looking at the root cause of crime itself. Its blaming all illegal immigrants for crime, which is clearly incorrect. To base a policy, this is some how going to make the US safer. The comprehension to build a wall thousands of miles long, will be utterly ineffective also. It will be impossible to monitor the entire length of this wall, let alone man it. People will simple tunnel under.

Ever heard of the "Great Escape"

If Trump really wanted to tackle crime and make the US safer. He would tackle poverty, not only within the US, but the Central American countries. Make life better in all countries, where then people would have no need to leave the problems they face.

So is he right?

No, but because the view offered fails completely to tackle the claims made on security, safety etc. Its poorly trying to push a problem away, when the nation already has a crime problem.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

And yet by his policies on this, it shows he is wrong in applying the above view in practice. As the policies he has implemented conflict with the constitution and utterly fail in making the US any safer. Its also based off a poor guilt by association, not even looking at the root cause of crime itself. Its blaming all illegal immigrants for crime, which is clearly incorrect. To base a policy, this is some how going to make the US safer. The comprehension to build a wall thousands of miles long, will be utterly ineffective also. It will be impossible to monitor the entire length of this wall, let alone man it. People will simple tunnel under.

Ever heard of the "Great Escape"

If Trump really wanted to tackle crime and make the US safer. He would tackle poverty, not only within the US, but the Central American countries. Make life better in all countries, where then people would have no need to leave the problems they face.

So is he right?

No, but because the view offered fails completely to tackle the claims made on security, safety etc. Its poorly trying to push a problem away, when the nation already has a crime problem.

yep I have noticed that banks have taken to leaving their cash lying out in the street because vaults and walls can always be tunnelled into so what the point of them.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

And yet by his policies on this, it shows he is wrong in applying the above view in practice. As the policies he has implemented conflict with the constitution and utterly fail in making the US any safer. Its also based off a poor guilt by association, not even looking at the root cause of crime itself. Its blaming all illegal immigrants for crime, which is clearly incorrect. To base a policy, this is some how going to make the US safer. The comprehension to build a wall thousands of miles long, will be utterly ineffective also. It will be impossible to monitor the entire length of this wall, let alone man it. People will simple tunnel under.

Ever heard of the "Great Escape"

If Trump really wanted to tackle crime and make the US safer. He would tackle poverty, not only within the US, but the Central American countries. Make life better in all countries, where then people would have no need to leave the problems they face.

So is he right?

No, but because the view offered fails completely to tackle the claims made on security, safety etc. Its poorly trying to push a problem away, when the nation already has a crime problem.

can I just clarify that you understand what the term illegal means?
if you are an ILLEGAL immigrant you have committed a crime. you have entered the country ILLEGALLY

Thorin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:

can I just clarify that you understand what the term illegal means?
if you are an ILLEGAL immigrant you have committed a crime. you have entered the country ILLEGALLY

You mean the concept of legal?
Yes I understand, as how can people looking to better their lives, be illegal, ethically based on the measures the US has in place that denies them bettering their lives? Also the US was born and created from illegal immigration, talk about double standards. The US because its lifestyle is far better than poorer nations, is going to continually draw people, fleeing poverty and oppression. The US needs to tackle this issue at its root core, poverty itself.

Tommy Monk wrote:
I find it astounding how some people try to argue that 'illegal' immigrants aren't criminals...

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

You mean the concept of legal?
Yes I understand, as how can people looking to better their lives, be illegal, ethically based on the measures the US has in place that denies them bettering their lives? Also the US was born and created from illegal immigration, talk about double standards. The US because its lifestyle is far better than poorer nations, is going to continually draw people, fleeing poverty and oppression. The US needs to tackle this issue at its root core, poverty itself.

no not the concept, but the meaning.


The crime is entering the country illegally. There are enough signs up telling people of the consequences.

Thorin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
no not the concept, but the meaning.


The crime is entering the country illegally. There are enough signs up telling people of the consequences.

I deleted out everything that was irrelevant to the debate and point made
We can argue all day long over the ethics or meaning of words on illegal.
All irrelevant, as is it really a crime to want to better your life and enter a country doing so?
Ethically its not
All of which is not even the point.
The claim based off securing the borders to this problem is wrong and false.
Its not tackling the root cause of the problem, people being drawn there, fleeing from poverty and oppression.
Attempting to push the problem away, is simply not going to happen, building walls, or placing the entire US army on the border with Mexico. People will continually be drawn there and continually gain entry in vast numbers.

So again as I stated before, your view on legality, is irrelevant and fails to understand the problem here.

Hence why the claim to Trump being right, is factually wrong

Thorin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

If you are opposed to the op statement then you must be mad...

Ah the quack doctor Tommy, spouting off his usual irrelevance.

Counter my points, if you think I am wrong

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

I deleted out everything that was irrelevant to the debate and point made
We can argue all day long over the ethics or meaning of words on illegal.
All irrelevant, as is it really a crime to want to better your life and enter a country doing so?
Ethically its not
All of which is not even the point.
The claim based off securing the borders to this problem is wrong and false.
Its not tackling the root cause of the problem, people being drawn there, fleeing from poverty and oppression.
Attempting to push the problem away, is simply not going to happen, building walls, or placing the entire US army on the border with Mexico. People will continually be drawn there and continually gain entry in vast numbers.

So again as I stated before, your view on legality, is irrelevant and fails to understand the problem here.

Hence why the claim to Trump being right, is factually wrong

I dont think you can argue over the meaning of the word illegal.
I think it is perfectly clear to almost anyone.
it is illegal to enter the country without the proper papers, to do so is a crime. To work there is another crime. to pay someone who is illegal is yet another crime. to traffic people illegally into a country is yet another crime. I dont see any ambiguity in what constitutes illegal in the case.

you might argue that a refugee is illegal, but they will claim asylum when entering the country that puts them in a different category.

I dont recall vast quantity's of mexicans scrambling across the border and rushing to the nearest immigration officer and asking for asylum. Maybe it is a common occurrence but I haven't read of that, and anyway that is not what we are talking about.
In fact this whole issue is a sideways step from the OP, although I grant it is interesting and perhaps deserves a thread of its own.

shoudl the title be

do you understand what illegal means.
???

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Ah the quack doctor Tommy, spouting off his usual irrelevance.

Counter my points, if you think I am wrong

didn't he do that by saying he agreed with the op

Thorin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
no not the concept, but the meaning.


The crime is entering the country illegally. There are enough signs up telling people of the consequences.

I deleted out everything that was irrelevant to the debate and point made
We can argue all day long over the ethics or meaning of words on illegal.
All irrelevant, as is it really a crime to want to better your life and enter a country doing so?
Ethically its not
All of which is not even the point.
The claim based off securing the borders to this problem is wrong and false.
Its not tackling the root cause of the problem, people being drawn there, fleeing from poverty and oppression.
Attempting to push the problem away, is simply not going to happen, building walls, or placing the entire US army on the border with Mexico. People will continually be drawn there and continually gain entry in vast numbers.

So again as I stated before, your view on legality, is irrelevant and fails to understand the problem here.

Hence why the claim to Trump being right, is factually wrong

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

I deleted out everything that was irrelevant to the debate and point made
We can argue all day long over the ethics or meaning of words on illegal.
All irrelevant, as is it really a crime to want to better your life and enter a country doing so?
Ethically its not
All of which is not even the point.
The claim based off securing the borders to this problem is wrong and false.
Its not tackling the root cause of the problem, people being drawn there, fleeing from poverty and oppression.
Attempting to push the problem away, is simply not going to happen, building walls, or placing the entire US army on the border with Mexico. People will continually be drawn there and continually gain entry in vast numbers.

So again as I stated before, your view on legality, is irrelevant and fails to understand the problem here.

Hence why the claim to Trump being right, is factually wrong

isnt the root cause the responsibility of the country that the people are leaving?

but we are getting sidetracked onto another totally different issue.

this issue is about  dealing with illegal immigrants and the bosses who employ them and securing the border. this is an issue that could affect numerous country's around the world.

Thorin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
I dont think you can argue over the meaning of the word illegal.
I think it is perfectly clear to almost anyone.
it is illegal to enter the country without the proper papers, to do so is a crime. To work there is another crime. to pay someone who is illegal is yet another crime. to traffic people illegally into a country is yet another crime. I dont see any ambiguity in what constitutes illegal in the case.

you might argue that a refugee is illegal, but they will claim asylum when entering the country that puts them in a different category.

I dont recall vast quantity's of mexicans scrambling across the border and rushing to the nearest immigration officer and asking for asylum. Maybe it is a common occurrence but I haven't read of that, and anyway that is not what we are talking about.
In fact this whole issue is a sideways step from the OP, although I grant it is interesting and perhaps deserves a thread of its own.

shoudl the title be

do you understand what illegal means.
???

Who says you need to be seeking asylum, when the country is not classified as a war zone?
You see you are using misdirection again off legality, not understanding why people are drawn there.
Are you saying Mexico is not in poverty with near 50% of its populace?
You see, again you go off a law that claims people are illegal, for wanting to better their life and off a view, they should wait decades in the hope of a better life. I ask you, would, you wait decades and then never have hope you will be accepted, when you have mouths to feed?
So spare the misdirection and answer the points on whether Trump was right?

As seen you are avoiding, because you clearly now his views are wrong and ineffective

So try again

The claim based off securing the borders to this problem is wrong and false.
Its not tackling the root cause of the problem, people being drawn there, fleeing from poverty and oppression.
Attempting to push the problem away, is simply not going to happen, building walls, or placing the entire US army on the border with Mexico. People will continually be drawn there and continually gain entry in vast numbers.

So again as I stated before, your view on legality, is irrelevant and fails to understand the problem here.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Who says you need to be seeking asylum, when the country is not classified as a war zone?
You see you are using misdirection again off legality, not understanding why people are drawn there.
Are you saying Mexico is not in poverty with near 50% of its populace?
You see, again you go off a law that claims people are illegal, for wanting to better their life and off a view, they should wait decades in the hope of a better life. I ask you, would, you wait decades and then never have hope you will be accepted, when you have mouths to feed?
So spare the misdirection and answer the points on whether Trump was right?

As seen you are avoiding, because you clearly now his views are wrong and ineffective

So try again

The claim based off securing the borders to this problem is wrong and false.
Its not tackling the root cause of the problem, people being drawn there, fleeing from poverty and oppression.
Attempting to push the problem away, is simply not going to happen, building walls, or placing the entire US army on the border with Mexico. People will continually be drawn there and continually gain entry in vast numbers.

So again as I stated before, your view on legality, is irrelevant and fails to understand the problem here.

someone who seeks asylum is not an illegal immigrant. they are 2 very different kettles of fish.
In this case america says you need to enter the country legally or you have committed a crime that can get you deported.

I think that is clear to pretty much anyone.

Thorin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
didn't he do that by saying he agreed with the op

By claiming someone is mad, by having no qualifications to classify someone as mad?

As seen, neither of you can counter my reasons, as why the OP position is wrong and flawed and will not make the borders any securer or safe.
Now I can continue to watch you around in circles over avoiding my points, or you actually address them

In your own time

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

By claiming someone is mad, by having no qualifications to classify someone as mad?

As seen, neither of you can counter my reasons, as why the OP position is wrong and flawed and will not make the borders any securer or safe.
Now I can continue to watch you around in circles over avoiding my points, or you actually address them

In your own time

you are a very literal person aren't you. I guess you dont get out much,  yes I know I am assuming too much there,
you dont need to be a doctor to think some ideas are mad.

Thorin wrote:Misdirection and yes you do need a doctor to classify, why someone is mad. Where even worse the claim, was made off believing Trump was right, which I have proved he is wrong

what points have you made. I think you are the one weaving all over the place, I am pretty much trying to stick to the topic and getting an answer from all and sundry about what was written in the OP. you answered that some time ago and have since meandered into trying to have a philosophical debate about the meaning of illegal when I reckon everyone on this forum except perhaps for you understands perfectly well what illegal means.

so feel free to wander aimlessly around trying to score imaginary points to boost your self aggrandisement score I am not playing that game tonight.

Thorin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
isnt the root cause the responsibility of the country that the people are leaving?

but we are getting sidetracked onto another totally different issue.

this issue is about  dealing with illegal immigrants and the bosses who employ them and securing the border. this is an issue that could affect numerous country's around the world.

1) Yes, as the problem of poverty is a world issue. We all start out in life, owing money to that system, which people pay a miniscule amount into.

2) The issue here is about whether Trump was right or wrong. You claimed he was right and as seen he is wrong. So again, if poverty was resolved in Mexico, do you think people would actually then stay in far greater numbers?

3) As seen the view to even secure the borders, is flawed and ineffective, due to the vast distance to secure

Take your time

The Devil, You Know wrote:
you are a very literal person aren't you. I guess you dont get out much,  yes I know I am assuming too much there,
you dont need to be a doctor to think some ideas are mad.


what points have you made. I think you are the one weaving all over the place, I am pretty much trying to stick to the topic and getting an answer from all and sundry about what was written in the OP. you answered that some time ago and have since meandered into trying to have a philosophical debate about the meaning of illegal when I reckon everyone on this forum except perhaps for you understands perfectly well what illegal means.

so feel free to wander aimlessly around trying to score imaginary points to boost your self aggrandisement score I am not playing that game tonight.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

1) Yes, as the problem of poverty is a world issue. We all start out in life, owing money to that system, which people pay a miniscule amount into.

2) The issue here is about whether Trump was right or wrong. You claimed he was right and as seen he is wrong. So again, if poverty was resolved in Mexico, do you think people would actually then stay in far greater numbers?

3) As seen the view to even secure the borders, is flawed and ineffective, due to the vast distance to secure

Take your time

I certainly agree with the original post there is no denying that, it is common sense.
I can see you are a SJW but instead of wasting your time behind an anonymous computer screen with only a trusty keyboard at your side perhaps your unbounded energy and of course intelligence would be better served out in the real world fighting injustice wherever you find it.

Have you decided on what colour suit and cape you are going to have yet, as you fight the good fight,

Thorin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
I dont think you can argue over the meaning of the word illegal.
I think it is perfectly clear to almost anyone.
it is illegal to enter the country without the proper papers, to do so is a crime. To work there is another crime. to pay someone who is illegal is yet another crime. to traffic people illegally into a country is yet another crime. I dont see any ambiguity in what constitutes illegal in the case.

you might argue that a refugee is illegal, but they will claim asylum when entering the country that puts them in a different category.

I dont recall vast quantity's of mexicans scrambling across the border and rushing to the nearest immigration officer and asking for asylum. Maybe it is a common occurrence but I haven't read of that, and anyway that is not what we are talking about.
In fact this whole issue is a sideways step from the OP, although I grant it is interesting and perhaps deserves a thread of its own.

shoudl the title be

do you understand what illegal means.
???

Who says you need to be seeking asylum, when the country is not classified as a war zone?
You see you are using misdirection again off legality, not understanding why people are drawn there.
Are you saying Mexico is not in poverty with near 50% of its populace?
You see, again you go off a law that claims people are illegal, for wanting to better their life and off a view, they should wait decades in the hope of a better life. I ask you, would, you wait decades and then never have hope you will be accepted, when you have mouths to feed?
So spare the misdirection and answer the points on whether Trump was right?

As seen you are avoiding, because you clearly now his views are wrong and ineffective

So try again

The claim based off securing the borders to this problem is wrong and false.
Its not tackling the root cause of the problem, people being drawn there, fleeing from poverty and oppression.
Attempting to push the problem away, is simply not going to happen, building walls, or placing the entire US army on the border with Mexico. People will continually be drawn there and continually gain entry in vast numbers.

So again as I stated before, your view on legality, is irrelevant and fails to understand the problem here.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

These points you keep running away from

Are you saying Mexico is not in poverty with near 50% of its populace?
You see, again you go off a law that claims people are illegal, for wanting to better their life and off a view, they should wait decades in the hope of a better life. I ask you, would, you wait decades and then never have hope you will be accepted, when you have mouths to feed?
So spare the misdirection and answer the points on whether Trump was right?

As seen you are avoiding, because you clearly now his views are wrong and ineffective

So try again

The claim based off securing the borders to this problem is wrong and false.
Its not tackling the root cause of the problem, people being drawn there, fleeing from poverty and oppression.
Attempting to push the problem away, is simply not going to happen, building walls, or placing the entire US army on the border with Mexico. People will continually be drawn there and continually gain entry in vast numbers.

So again as I stated before, your view on legality, is irrelevant and fails to understand the problem The thing is I am not saying anything about mexico. we are talking about illegal immigrants, the meaning of the term illegal and a host of other caca del toro you have brought up tonight that has little to do with the thread and all to do with boosting your overlarge ego.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Who says you need to be seeking asylum, when the country is not classified as a war zone?
You see you are using misdirection again off legality, not understanding why people are drawn there.
Are you saying Mexico is not in poverty with near 50% of its populace?
You see, again you go off a law that claims people are illegal, for wanting to better their life and off a view, they should wait decades in the hope of a better life. I ask you, would, you wait decades and then never have hope you will be accepted, when you have mouths to feed?
So spare the misdirection and answer the points on whether Trump was right?

As seen you are avoiding, because you clearly now his views are wrong and ineffective

So try again

The claim based off securing the borders to this problem is wrong and false.
Its not tackling the root cause of the problem, people being drawn there, fleeing from poverty and oppression.
Attempting to push the problem away, is simply not going to happen, building walls, or placing the entire US army on the border with Mexico. People will continually be drawn there and continually gain entry in vast numbers.

So again as I stated before, your view on legality, is irrelevant and fails to understand the problem here.

you really hate that OP dont you.

Tommy Monk wrote:Economic migrants who enter a country illegally are still illegal immigrants and still criminals...