Delivery man tells young boy to stop dressing as a fairy.

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"Wendy, who also has a two-year-old daughter, Felicity, said she couldn't believe her ears.
She said: "If he had said it's unusual to be a fairy, we wouldn't have have thought too much of it but saying someone should take Isaac to one side implies he was doing something wrong.
"I feel disappointed that there are still people in this world that ask questions like that and and think it is their right to tell other people what they can and cannot wear.
"My son has been more reluctant to wear his fairy dress since, he has only worn it once or twice whereas he used to wear it all the time."



Obviously the delivery driver should have minded his own business, but should a 4 year old boy be encouraged to dress up as a fairy?

You don't let your boy child prance around in a girls dress behaving like a girl ...


It's as simple as that!

My question is this.
WHY wud a mutha NOT discourage her baby boy from dressing in the clothes of a girl?

Miffs2 wrote:

Eilzel wrote:So in other words, don't do anything about bullying; just capitulate to bullies and bigotry and possibly instil prejudice in the child too, who will forever believe a man wearing a dress is a bad person. Is that what you'd prefer miffs?

God yes, I'd prefer anything that kept him safe. I see a lot of hostility and anger from you, strange as you are the one always preaching inclusivity and tolerance, or is that only for those that you agree with?

Blah blah blah- yes I preach tolerance, of everything but intolerance.

People are saying this boy shouldn't be allowed to wear a dress, even for FUN, in his home. Wtf- no I do NOT tolerate that nasty attitude at all. And yes it makes me angry a bit because I actually care about these issues- and what?

^^^nicko- no, I don't. But I would never tell someone, even a child, not to.

Interesting that you would be happy to bring up a transphobic child, miffs.

This mother is wrong for giving her son a dress to put on... and then for letting him wear it...


And then for letting pictures of him wearing this dress be published in a national newspaper to the country and for anyone in the world to see!


This boy will look back at this and be gutted for the rest of his life!!!


How embarrassing it will be gorgeous him to have these pictures out there of him prancing around in this fairy dress!!!


This will dog him for life!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

This mother is wrong for giving her son a dress to put on... and then for letting him wear it...


And then for letting pictures of him wearing this dress be published in a national newspaper to the country and for anyone in the world to see!


This boy will look back at this and be gutted for the rest of his life!!!


How embarrassing it will be gorgeous him to have these pictures out there of him prancing around in this fairy dress!!!


This will dog him for life!!!

I imagine when he is an adult then it will provide a funny story to tell at the absolute most.

I doubt his life is ruined. Much as you would like it to be, this is not the neanderthalic 1950s.

Gotta feel for Tom's  kids.
Having a cross between Fred Flintstone, Alf Garnett, Bernard Manning and Adolf Hitler as a father.
That will dog them for life

Don't you think your going a bit too far Handy?

I think I'm going to play the devil's advocate here. There is a strong whiff of BS in the air, coming from the direction of this silly mum who has already written a foutraged letter to Sainsbury and no doubt received a grovelling apology plus money vouchers galore.

But oh no, that is not enough, she has now informed a national newspaper and the social media too.

And what happened  to that poor delivery driver, who was just passing the time of day making small talk. He is ALLOWED to talk to his customers, he is not a robot.  Though misguided there was no evidence of malice.

Was he subject to disciplinary action? Has his card been marked now?    

Tommy Monk wrote:

This mother is wrong for giving her son a dress to put on... and then for letting him wear it...


And then for letting pictures of him wearing this dress be published in a national newspaper to the country and for anyone in the world to see!


This boy will look back at this and be gutted for the rest of his life!!!


How embarrassing it will be gorgeous him to have these pictures out there of him prancing around in this fairy dress!!!


This will dog him for life!!!

Not really, Tom.  Your entire post is a bit melodramatic. He wasn't filmed murdering the family pet ffs, he was just wearing a fairy dress. What's all this about being him gutted .... and dogged for LIFE???

Have you completely forgotten that we now live in a very permissive, sexually tolerant world? You seem to have no idea how far the world has progressed. For better or for worse  tolerance towards sexuality issues is growing at a dizzyingly fast rate

Going by your previous posts, you seem completely unaware of permissive trends. Get out there and watch a few modern cinema movies. Force yourself to sit through a couple, I find that movies have their finger on the pulse and they are aware of modern trends long before they become mainstream.


I mean when you say he will be dogged for the rest of his life ... well, within the next 20 years the world will have changed beyond recognition, in terms of tolerance. We will probably have a transgender prime minister. We've  already had a gay one and that was over 30 years ago......

Even now, famous men are wearing skirts in public.  

Jules wrote:And what happened  to that poor delivery driver, who was just passing the time of day making small talk. He is ALLOWED to talk to his customers, he is not a robot.  Though misguided there was no evidence of malice.

Was he subject to disciplinary action? Has his card been marked now?    

Hopefully not. And while it is nice for a delivery man to talk to customers, anyone should know telling someone how to dress is a out of order.

Eilzel wrote:

Jules wrote:And what happened  to that poor delivery driver, who was just passing the time of day making small talk. He is ALLOWED to talk to his customers, he is not a robot.  Though misguided there was no evidence of malice.

Was he subject to disciplinary action? Has his card been marked now?    

Hopefully not. And while it is nice for a delivery man to talk to customers, anyone should know telling someone how to dress is a out of order.

You know what? I'd have smiled at the kid and said "Wow! Are you a real fairy??! Can you make a wish for me?"

Jeez. No idea why anyone would really be concerned about it. I'd be more worried about his mum being in bed whilst he opened the door - if that's what happened.

All the delivery driver said was that he shouldn't be a fairy but he should be a super hero instead...


Is that so bad!!!???

From the article:

"As well as his fairy outfit, he also regularly dresses as Darth Vader, a doctor, nurse and vet.

Wendy said: "He first wore a fairy dress after going to a toddler group and they had a big box of dressing up outfits and they had a dress there and he liked it.

"So we got a bag of mixed dressing up clothes and he liked those dresses as well, he also likes the fireman outfit.

"He's definitely very imaginative. He's always playing make believe and being different characters. Even if he doesn't have the dress up things to do it."

His mum has a disability so she was in bed. Dad was just in the kitchen

1) The mum was in bed, she did nothing wrong by being there as she has a condition that requires her to be. The boy's father was close.

2) The boy dresses as multiple characters with no preference for any by the sounds of it. Why do people have a problem with this one?

3) The delivery driver taking him to one side has made him feel he did something wrong. Is it right for the boy to be made to feel this way?

Wouldn't matter if that's all he had a preference for, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
That he's loved, fed, talked to and happy. It's all a boy needs.

eddie wrote:Wouldn't matter if that's all he had a preference for, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
That he's loved, fed, talked to and happy. It's all a boy needs.

I agree. But the outrage from some makes me think they haven't even read the article itself.

Eilzel wrote:

eddie wrote:Wouldn't matter if that's all he had a preference for, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
That he's loved, fed, talked to and happy. It's all a boy needs.

I agree. But the outrage from some makes me think they haven't even read the article itself.

I'm astounded that people would worry he'd get bullied! We should never let them have glasses either as we don't want anyone calling them "four eyes"!!

Would it have made a difference if it had been a girl dressed in Batman or Superman outfit?
When I was young, won't tell you how long ago that was, I had all sorts of dressing up stuff, home made stuff and costumes that had been bought for me, including an Annie Oakley cowgirl outfit and a Zorro outfit not to mention my much loved - fake fur- Davy Crockett hat and loads of other stuff.

When I was four I dressed up as a lot of my favorite superheroes, like Spider-Man, Batman and Wonder Woman

Ben Reilly wrote:When I was four I dressed up as a lot of my favorite superheroes, like Spider-Man, Batman and Wonder Woman

THE neo-conservative ultra-authoritarian "do as I say, not as I do" dictatorial attitudes coming from the likes of Major, Tommy, nicko and Miffs says a lot more about those contributors own personal inclinations and collective ignorances, than it does about the subjects of that story...    

I remember when David Beckham went out in that skirt thing... and everyone said 'no its sarong' (so wrong)!

I cannot believe there are so many perverse/unreasonabul forumuz willing to condemn a baby to a life long problem.

Tommy Monk wrote:I remember when David Beckham went out in that skirt thing... and everyone said 'no its sarong' (so wrong)!

Yes Tommy, I remember and what a twack he looked, then again as an adult he was experienced enough to know that which he did.

The baby is completely green.

Major wrote:I cannot believe there are so many perverse/unreasonabul forumuz willing to condemn a baby to a life long problem.

I cant beleive that there are so many geraniums out there that do the condemning...THEY are the ones with the problems..I would behove the thick shit for brains wankers to mind their own business, instead of pretending to be moral arbiters (which they most certainy are not....most of THAT sort are hardly moral role models).

one question these piss poor interfering asswipes never want to answer...indeed run away from is....Just what the f**k has it got to do with YOU.....

Syl wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:When I was four I dressed up as a lot of my favorite superheroes, like Spider-Man, Batman and Wonder Woman

Ah. Doesn't he look cute?

Major wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:I remember when David Beckham went out in that skirt thing... and everyone said 'no its sarong' (so wrong)!

Yes Tommy, I remember and what a twack he looked, then again as an adult he was experienced enough to know that which he did.

The baby is completely green.

As are you.

Perhaps they should read the David Walliams story - The Boy in the Dress

I bet Tom Stormee and Major wouldn't  call a 6'4", 16 stone musclebound Scot in a kilt a nancy or a pouffe.
The Scot would ram his caber up their arses up to the hilt.

Handy Andy wrote:I bet Tom Stormee and Major wouldn't  call a 6'4", 16 stone musclebound Scot in a kilt a nancy or a pouffe.
The Scot would ram his caber up their arses up to the hilt.

Are you saying a kilt is the same as a girls fairy dress...!?

Eilzel wrote:Interesting that you would be happy to bring up a transphobic child, miffs.

Interesting that you wouldn't strive to keep yours safe. I am raising two kids, both of them are fantastic human beings. You should know, you met one.
When you have kids attending a UK comp then you get to flap your gums. It's all theory for you banging the keyboard and saving the world.

nicko wrote:Eilzel,    do you wear a dress,   in private of course?

Are you seriously So Pathetic that you think someone can only defend something they do or are?

No wonder you defend thugs and scum bags under the false pretense of nationalism
If you loved Britian, You'd be ashamed of Major and Tommy for makign it look like a Piece of Shit.

Miffs2 wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Interesting that you would be happy to bring up a transphobic child, miffs.

Interesting that you wouldn't strive to keep yours safe. I am raising two kids, both of them are fantastic human beings. You should know, you met one.
When you have kids attending a UK comp then you get to flap your gums. It's all theory for you banging the keyboard and saving the world.

You dont make them safe by allowing society to be full of bigoted shitheads.
those that stay silent in the face of abuse of another, condome the abuse.

Of Coure you could do something totally un-British and raise them to be GOOD PEOPLE and not 'safe little neonazis scared of anything different'.

Miffs2 wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Interesting that you would be happy to bring up a transphobic child, miffs.

Interesting that you wouldn't strive to keep yours safe. I am raising two kids, both of them are fantastic human beings. You should know, you met one.
When you have kids attending a UK comp then you get to flap your gums. It's all theory for you banging the keyboard and saving the world.

Since many who do have kids agree with me then I'll assume I have as much right to speak as you do, thanks.

Since my kid would be in my home I'd consider myself a bad father if I told him he couldn't wear a dress even if he wanted to.

And your boy is lovely. What I'm intereated in is if in the situation, would you tell him wearing a dress is wrong? And thus lead him to becoming transphobic- a point you clearly evaded.

veya_victaous wrote:

Miffs2 wrote:


Interesting that you wouldn't strive to keep yours safe. I am raising two kids, both of them are fantastic human beings. You should know, you met one.
When you have kids attending a UK comp then you get to flap your gums. It's all theory for you banging the keyboard and saving the world.

You dont make them safe by allowing society to be full of bigoted shitheads.
those that stay silent in the face of abuse of another, condome the abuse.

Of Coure you could do something totally un-British and raise them to be GOOD PEOPLE and not 'safe little neonazis scared of anything different'.

The delivery driver saw a boy child prancing about in a girls fairy dress... the parents allowance of this, encouragement of this, and failure to set the boy straight on what's what... is a clear negligence on the parents part in doing the right thing for the boy and an abuse of the boys rights to be given the proper parental education/instructions on him being a boy and what is appropriate gender specific clothing for boys to be wearing etc...

It's good the driver did say something to do the boy a favour rather than stay silent and condone the abuse...

Eilzel wrote:

Miffs2 wrote:


Interesting that you wouldn't strive to keep yours safe. I am raising two kids, both of them are fantastic human beings. You should know, you met one.
When you have kids attending a UK comp then you get to flap your gums. It's all theory for you banging the keyboard and saving the world.

Since many who do have kids agree with me then I'll assume I have as much right to speak as you do, thanks.

Since my kid would be in my home I'd consider myself a bad father if I told him he couldn't wear a dress even if he wanted to.

And your boy is lovely. What I'm intereated in is if in the situation, would you tell him wearing a dress is wrong? And thus lead him to becoming transphobic- a point you clearly evaded.

Firstly... transphobic is a made up bullshit word...


Secondly... following your logic... we should make all boys wear dresses otherwise they might turn out 'transphobic'...!?

Syl wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:When I was four I dressed up as a lot of my favorite superheroes, like Spider-Man, Batman and Wonder Woman

I was a bit hairier

No tommy. Wrong again.

If a boy wears a dress, no problem.
If a boy doesn't wear a dress, no problem.

If a boy wears a dress and you tell him he is wrong to do so- there is a problem.

Why?

Because while you might succeed and stop your boy wearing clothes you don't want him to- you ALSO teach him the lesson that;

"Boys wearing dresses are wrong"

Now in future whenever that child sees a boy wearing a dress he will assume he is a bad person.

And ergo, transphobic.

And all words are made up, that's how languages are formed.

Great post Les.

Seconded

another +1 to les's post


Cowards like Tommy will never understand their Irrational Fear of things that are different Does NOT entitle them cause pain and suffering to another simply for being different.
It also does not only NOT entitle them to teach their irrational fears to younger generations, They SHOULD be sanctioned for it.

Because as the better part of humanity can see it is an irrational fear of a primitive unevolved brain. it is something that soceity needs to actively weed out as it is a critcal weakness of charater that causes social problems. those that have this 'faulty wiring of the brain' are no different that Drug addicts, they are addicted to fear and hate and the endorphins it releases in their brains, and their addiction causes numerous social issues.

Also Any Individual that thinks it is right to Strike first is in the wrong in everyway and should be removed from society as a potential threat as they have said they will strike first. they are terrorist to a segement of society that they irrationally fear.
when you 'Strike First' you are the aggressor and thus the Problem.


You can apply this to individuals of any religion thus all the malcontents can be dealt with equally and you can round up Tommy and Major and the crazy Imams all in one go.

Eilzel wrote:No tommy. Wrong again.

If a boy wears a dress, no problem.
If a boy doesn't wear a dress, no problem.

If a boy wears a dress and you tell him he is wrong to do so- there is a problem.

Why?

Because while you might succeed and stop your boy wearing clothes you don't want him to- you ALSO teach him the lesson that;

"Boys wearing dresses are wrong"

Now in future whenever that child sees a boy wearing a dress he will assume he is a bad person.

And ergo, transphobic.

And all words are made up, that's how languages are formed.

If you give a boy a dress to wear and allow/encourage him to wear it... then you are the problem...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:No tommy. Wrong again.

If a boy wears a dress, no problem.
If a boy doesn't wear a dress, no problem.

If a boy wears a dress and you tell him he is wrong to do so- there is a problem.

Why?

Because while you might succeed and stop your boy wearing clothes you don't want him to- you ALSO teach him the lesson that;

"Boys wearing dresses are wrong"

Now in future whenever that child sees a boy wearing a dress he will assume he is a bad person.

And ergo, transphobic.

And all words are made up, that's how languages are formed.

If you give a boy a dress to wear and allow/encourage him to wear it... then you are the problem...

NO Tommy
YOU are the problem because of what you just wrote
No If's,
YOU TOMMY MONK ARE THE PROBLEM.

Why don't we give this subject a rest? it's just going round in circles.

eddie wrote:Wouldn't matter if that's all he had a preference for, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
That he's loved, fed, talked to and happy. It's all a boy needs.

How very idealistic ...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:No tommy. Wrong again.

If a boy wears a dress, no problem.
If a boy doesn't wear a dress, no problem.

If a boy wears a dress and you tell him he is wrong to do so- there is a problem.

Why?

Because while you might succeed and stop your boy wearing clothes you don't want him to- you ALSO teach him the lesson that;

"Boys wearing dresses are wrong"

Now in future whenever that child sees a boy wearing a dress he will assume he is a bad person.

And ergo, transphobic.

And all words are made up, that's how languages are formed.

If you give a boy a dress to wear and allow/encourage him to wear it... then you are the problem...

He wasn't even encouraged. He wore a dress he liked in school and his mum bought him a variety of costumes.

Your way results in transphobia.