Delivery man tells young boy to stop dressing as a fairy.

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"Wendy, who also has a two-year-old daughter, Felicity, said she couldn't believe her ears.
She said: "If he had said it's unusual to be a fairy, we wouldn't have have thought too much of it but saying someone should take Isaac to one side implies he was doing something wrong.
"I feel disappointed that there are still people in this world that ask questions like that and and think it is their right to tell other people what they can and cannot wear.
"My son has been more reluctant to wear his fairy dress since, he has only worn it once or twice whereas he used to wear it all the time."



Obviously the delivery driver should have minded his own business, but should a 4 year old boy be encouraged to dress up as a fairy?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Tommy is wrong until he gives a good explanation as to why he is right.

A boy can't wear a fairy costume because he can't, doesn't cut it.

Did he actually say that? Saying he can wear one isn't a good explanation either. It's just a difference in opinion.

I'm afraid it is a good explanation. Anyone should be free to wear anything they like as long it poses to no threat or concern to anybody else. I can't think of a single reason why a boy wearing a costume should do either of those things.

You tell children not to bully, not to be rude, not to eat certain things, not to run across the road etc. All reasonable. What possible reason could there be to tell someone 'NO. You shouldn't wear that dress! That is wrong!'?

And yes, Eds. Tommy is always there to argue against commonsense it seems

Any mutha who wantz her baby boy to wear girly clothez has a screw loose and a danger to said baby.

WHY would she/you want such?

What a load of rubbish. God save me from right on mummy's. Mummy too sick to get out of bed but not too sick to pose for publicity shots. Perhaps the delivery man shouldn't have commented but it wasn't done with malice! Also if that kid is going to walk around in a dress then he better toughen up because comments from delivery men will be the least of his worries.

Major wrote:Any mutha who wantz her baby boy to wear girly clothez has a screw loose and a danger to said baby.

WHY would she/you want such?

Spoken like a truly illiterate neanderthal. Not that I am suggesting you are of course.

Miffs- slightly exaggerating the situation. People have photos taken for news stories all the time, nothing unusual in that. And while the delivery man might have meant no malice, I doubt many people do many bad things out of maloce but due to having outdated and harmful views. Society moves on, he should too.

Take that child away from the mother. She has been brainwashed by the continuing faggotisation of society.

The establishment want to de-alpha and feminise all men, make them less aggressive and more compliant.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Take that child away from the mother. She has been brainwashed by the continuing faggotisation of society.

The establishment want to de-alpha and feminise all men, make them less aggressive and more compliant.

I suppose a religious zealot would know all about brainwashing lol

Also ironic how using a word like 'faggotisation' you make yourself equally bigoted and disgusting as those other morons who talk of 'Islamisation'.

If you want to live in a regressive backwater, Zack, migrate to some theocratic shithole

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Again you can't just SAY something is wrong and have that be it. You have to justify WHY it is wrong or you are just being arrogant.

Did you know original pink was for boys and blue for girls? (Not long ago in relative terms). But now YOU would say pink on boys is WRONG. For no reason other than deeply entrenched social brainwashing.

It doesn't matter how many ways you find of explaining that a square has four equal sides, Tommy will still squash it and call it a rectangle.

Says the person who makes up conspiracy theories ...

Erm I don't make them up, I investigate them and read them and consider them.
That's a world of difference rags.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Take that child away from the mother. She has been brainwashed by the continuing faggotisation of society.

The establishment want to de-alpha and feminise all men, make them less aggressive and more compliant.

You are talking bullshit Zack. If a child chooses to wear something it is his choice. Are you one for imposing your will upon others, especially small people?

sassy wrote:The delivery driver should have been given a good slap.   My kids had a big dressing up box when they were little, they all used to wear anything in it, and my two girls used to dress their brother up as anything, which he took in good part.   He was daft enough to join the cubs at one time and in their Christmas play, because he had gold colour hair, they dressed him up as Goldilocks.   He's 6.5" with a family and played rugby etc.   I can't believe that in this day and age people still think that what children wear when they are young will effect their sexuality.   Sexuality is in your genetic make up - wearing a skirt won't make a jot of difference.

Hi Sassy. I'm not arguing the case because I think it could in any way affect their sexuality....I agree that your sexuality is within you not changed by anything you wear, it's as much a part of you as your eye colour or height for eg.

Syl wrote:

sassy wrote:The delivery driver should have been given a good slap.   My kids had a big dressing up box when they were little, they all used to wear anything in it, and my two girls used to dress their brother up as anything, which he took in good part.   He was daft enough to join the cubs at one time and in their Christmas play, because he had gold colour hair, they dressed him up as Goldilocks.   He's 6.5" with a family and played rugby etc.   I can't believe that in this day and age people still think that what children wear when they are young will effect their sexuality.   Sexuality is in your genetic make up - wearing a skirt won't make a jot of difference.

Hi Sassy. I'm not arguing the case because I think it could in any way affect their sexuality....I agree that your sexuality is within you not changed by anything you wear, it's as much a part of you as your eye colour or height for eg.

so it's genetic?

eddie wrote:No because you've just confused him. His next question will be "Why are some clothes unisex?"

And you don't really know the answer if you're honest. Who does?

What you're really saying is:
"I don't want you to wear that dress because boys aren't supposed to wear dresses (don't know why that is, we've just been told that once - my mum told me) and if you do wear it then you might get called a name (that won't be your fault but you will have to be the one to make the sacrifice even though you've done nothing wrong) and life is just easier if we wear what we are supposed to and mummy won't worry and you won't have to deal with bullies until they may find something else to bully you about if you're unlucky"

And Syl I don't get it.  It's like bowing down to what other's think and at the same time planting the seed that they must "always fit in".

They have enough time at senior school having to wear uniforms and at work all their adult life  - why not let them just be children?

I think the confusion would lie in not explaining that some clothes are worn by girls and some are worn by boys.

It's not a matter of being bullied either....I doubt most 4 years would bully, but they would see a little boy constantly dressing up as a fairy as different, and like I keep saying kids of that age want to fit in, so why encourage them not to?

I will ask you now Eddie, where would you draw the line?
So this little boy starts primary school, he wants to still dress as a fairy, by this time he wants to wear a bow or a tiara in his hair like the other fairies he has seen pics of, would you let him go to school wearing a dress?

I think the words 'allowed' and 'encouraged' are in danger of being mixed up here. I think it is simply unrequired to talk about encouraging boys wearing dresses. But if he chooses to, without any encouragement- is there any need to tell him no?

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Syl wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-furious-after-son-wearing-8975210?ICID=FB_mirror_main


"Wendy, who also has a two-year-old daughter, Felicity, said she couldn't believe her ears.
She said: "If he had said it's unusual to be a fairy, we wouldn't have have thought too much of it but saying someone should take Isaac to one side implies he was doing something wrong.
"I feel disappointed that there are still people in this world that ask questions like that and and think it is their right to tell other people what they can and cannot wear.
"My son has been more reluctant to wear his fairy dress since, he has only worn it once or twice whereas he used to wear it all the time."



Obviously the delivery driver should have minded his own business, but should a 4 year old boy be encouraged to dress up as a fairy?

no or he may end up like this dogs dinner

Eddie Izzard is great...and he can dress how he wants, he is an adult able to make life choices.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Take that child away from the mother. She has been brainwashed by the continuing faggotisation of society.

The establishment want to de-alpha and feminise all men, make them less aggressive and more compliant.

De-alpha?

The world would be a better place if men weren't so aggressive and dominant. Do you think women should be compliant and bow to a man's aggression and dominance?

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:You're right Horatio, I wouldn't have slapped him possibly but I'd have verbally assaulted him.

Abusing a delivery man in front of a young child is not setting a good example, and it would just make you look common.

I agree, there is nothing worse than seeing a parent be verbally or physically abusive in front of their child, it's frightening for the kid and demeaning for the adult.

Miffs2 wrote:What a load of rubbish. God save me from right on mummy's. Mummy too sick to get out of bed but not too sick to pose for publicity shots. Perhaps the delivery man shouldn't have commented but it wasn't done with malice! Also if that kid is going to walk around in a dress then he better toughen up because comments from delivery men will be the least of his worries.

Sense at last.
If as has been argued this little boy (and others) can wear what they like when they like because to bow down to societies expectations is demeaning or stifling them in some way, God help those kids when they go out dressed as girls.
They will be looked at and commented at....and for what? Because their tree hugging mothers couldn't be bothered to teach them the basics when they first raided the dress up box.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Tommy is wrong until he gives a good explanation as to why he is right.

A boy can't wear a fairy costume because he can't, doesn't cut it.

Did he actually say that? Saying he can wear one isn't a good explanation either. It's just a difference in opinion.

Boy's shouldn't wear fairy dresses because dresses are girls clothes.

Simple!

:lol!

Cross dressing that most children do
Children know by the time they are about three whether they are boys or girls. They can say "I am a boy" or "I am a girl".
A child does not understand until about the age of six that he or she will always be a boy or a girl. Before that children think their sex can be changed.
It is usual for preschool boys and girls to dress up in clothes of the other sex as a way of trying out what it is like to be a man or a woman, a father or a mother.
Generally this kind of cross dressing is part of all of the child's play activities, and not any more important to the child than other play, and children later go on to choose to dress like others of their age and gender.
Dressing up in play like this is a healthy way for young children to learn about and think about the world they live in.

Why children may cross dress a lot
Sometimes a child will want to dress in the clothes of the other sex for a lot of the time and it will seem to be very important to him or her. Here are some of the reasons that this can happen.
The children believe that their parents prefer children of the other sex. Perhaps there is a new baby of the other sex who seems to be special. The children then think the parents wanted the other sex and so they try to change and be what they think their parents want.
A parent continually puts down the parent of the same sex as the child. Sometimes parents even find fault with their own sex. A mother may say that it is no fun being a woman and the father may say the same sort of thing about women. This can make a young girl wish she was a boy. Sometimes very negative things may be said about an absent father, leading to a boy not wanting to become a man.
The child might think that the other sex has better clothes or toys. Sometimes girls get all the pretty things. Or sometimes boys may get the most exciting toys.
The children do not have people of the same sex that they are close to, to copy the clothing and behaviour. Sometimes fathers are very busy, or working away from home or there may not be a dad in the family.
The child has an unhappy relationship with adults of the same sex. The child might feel that the parent of the same sex does not like her or him.
Some boys are happy about being boys but they don't like the rough play that many boys do - they want to be different.
Some girls enjoy the adventurous play that they see boys doing, even if other girls don't want to play that way.
Sometimes children cross dress because deep down they are really not happy about being the sex they are.

When children are not happy about being the sex they are
A few children feel deeply unhappy about being a boy or being a girl.
This can be a problem when a child continues to believe he or she is, or wishes he or she was, the other sex. Because it is not usually possible for people to change their sex (at least until they are grown up and then it is very difficult) it is very important that they can be happy with themselves as they are.
Wishing that he or she was the other sex can start at a very early age.
Usually if the child really wishes to be the other sex you will notice:
persistent cross dressing especially into the primary school years
always playing with other sex's toys (for example a boy always wanting to play with toys that are usually thought of as girls' toys, or girls wanting to play with boys' toys)
usually drawing the other sex (for example boys usually drawing pictures of girls and women, or girls drawing pictures of boys or men)
the child persistently saying that he or she belongs to the other sex or wishes they were
the child persistently saying that when he or she grows up he or she will be the other sex.
Sometimes parents worry that children who go on dressing in the clothes of the other sex over a long period of time will be homosexual.
Even though homosexuality is widely accepted as a normal expression of sexuality for some people, parents may worry that their children will be unhappy or may feel uncomfortable about it themselves. And some people in our community do still behave in homophobic ways.
Many children who cross dress a lot do not grow up to be transgendered, transvestite or homosexual, however some do.
If you are worried about this, talk to a doctor or child counsellor about it.
Note: Sometimes a child does not want to dress up in clothes of the other sex but a boy may like to take a piece of his mother's underclothes to bed with him for comfort. This is usually not because he is unhappy about his sex, but he may be feeling worried or stressed and having something of his mother's to cuddle makes him feel better. A girl may want to have something of her father's close by. Looking for the cause of the stress and dealing with it often helps with this..

What parents can do if they are worried
Remember that it is most likely the dressing up play that all children do.
If you are worried and you feel that the cross dressing is more than the play that all children do, the first thing is to have a think about what is happening in your family and if there is anything that could be making your child feel unhappy about being the sex he or she is.
Think about how old your child is, how long it has been going on and how important it is for the child.
Have there been any stresses in your child's life - a new baby in the family for instance?
Does the child have an opportunity to be with loving adults of his or her own sex to learn about what it is like to be that sex?
Has anyone been trying to stop the child from dressing up - and perhaps making him feel worse by calling him names such as "sissy" or teasing or making hurtful comments to her?
If it is just dressing up play you can be sure that this is healthy.
Make sure there are plenty of interesting dress up clothes for both sexes.
For a boy, get some attractive male dress up clothes such as silk superman cloaks with stars on them, circus performers, or wizards as well as fairy costumes and jewellery.
For a girl make sure that she has clothes that are not all 'pretty dresses' or very feminine. There are female superheroes too.
If there seems to be some kind of stress, you need to think about how you can make your child feel more secure.
Teasing or name calling never helps. Children are likely to think they are what parents or other family members call them, and then to act like that.
Spending lots of enjoyable time with a same sex parent or a grown up friend of the same sex is important.
Make sure a boy has the chance to play less rough games eg computer games, golf, art, drama, model making clubs etc., or that your daughter can play games that challenge her physically like soccer or gymnastics if she wants to. Many girls like computer games too.
Notice when your child does what you want to see more of and what the child does well instead of criticising what you don't like.

If your child really wishes to be the other sex in a lasting way
If your child really wishes to be the other sex in a lasting way (many children may say this occasionally), you cannot change this and they really need your support and to know that you love them no matter what.
Choose a school for your child where you know the staff are interested in making all children feel they are special and where they learn that to be different is OK.
If your child is being bullied at school it may be helpful to talk to him or her about the things we do in private and those we do in public. Perhaps they could see cross dressing as something that is private at least until they are old enough and strong enough to cope with the other children. Other children can be more judgemental than adults.
If the child is becoming really distressed some counselling may help.
You cannot change a child who has a problem with his or her sex (transgender) so you need to remember that what children need most from their parents is unconditional love and acceptance. This is especially so if they do not fit the "norm" for the groups they move in.
Remember that if we had a really accepting society we would care for all people no matter how different they are. Difference should not be a problem but something that makes our lives richer.
But also remember that many poeple in our society are not as accepting of difference as we hope, so your child may need more reassurance and love from you.

Resources
For South Australian parents
Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS)
Parenting SA Parent Easy Guides
http://www.parenting.sa.gov.au/
Children and learning about sexuality
Young people who are gay, lesbian or bisexual
Talking sex with young people
Book
Ehrensaft, Diane 'Gender born. gender made - raising healthy gender-nonconforming children' Publisher The Experiment 2011
Beyondblue - web-based booklet
"Families like mine - a guide for parents and families of young people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or gender diverse or are questioning their sexuality or gender identity'
http://familieslikemine.beyondblue.org.au/#folio=1

Well reading (quickly) through your post HT....the section "Why children cross dress a lot" points out that kids that do cross dress often seem to be troubled by the way their parents have acted with them.

Maybe if the parent had guided them in a loving way they would head more towards the appropriate dress for their gender.

This boys mother should not be buying dresses for him to wear... that is clearly part of the problem!!!

I wouldn't buy a dress deliberately for my son - is that what happened in this story or did he wear his sister's dress? - but if he kept going to put it on whether at school or at my own house, I'd let him.
Settings such as schools or playgroups never actually or actively discourage children from dressing however they want to.

I will ask one question though: what if this were a girl dressed as Batman, or Spider-Man or Buzz Lightyear?
Would any of you still be so adamant about "cross-dressing"?

Says in op the sister is younger... 2 I think..


And I'm sure a parent would be making it into a girlie version for them... bat woman... spider woman... etc...

Christ on a bike, that the most sexist post I have read for a long time, shame on you.

Syl wrote:Well reading (quickly) through your post HT....the section "Why children cross dress a lot" points out that kids that do cross dress often seem to be troubled by the way their parents have acted with them.

Maybe if the parent had guided them in a loving way they would head more towards the appropriate dress for their gender.

I just posted that as an example of how these things are often viewed and analysed.

Thoughts and ideas and fashions are in constant flux. Not so long ago, women were institutionalised for wanting to pleasure themselves, it was considered abnormal and that they must be either sex maniacs or mentally deranged. God help you if you were homosexual. Babies out of wedlock, perish the thought. Sure, most parents want to dress their boys as boys, and vice versa, but is it really a huge big fat deal if that child wishes to wear the opposite?

It all boils down to us all being animals. Weaklings and those who are deemed 'abnormal' are driven from the herd or hounded. We're supposed to be socially advanced enough to rise above all that. One would hope.

eddie wrote:I wouldn't buy a dress deliberately for my son - is that what happened in this story or did he wear his sister's dress? - but if he kept going to put it on whether at school or at my own house, I'd let him.
Settings such as schools or playgroups never actually or actively discourage children from dressing however they want to.

I will ask one question though: what if this were a girl dressed as Batman, or Spider-Man or Buzz Lightyear?
Would any of you still be so adamant about "cross-dressing"?

That's not quite true. Schools are often very strict about dress code. But if you mean about boys dressing in a female school uniform, I guess so, I'm not sure. You can bet your life it wouldn't be allowed in certain religious schools though.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Says in op the sister is younger... 2 I think..


And I'm sure a parent would be making it into a girlie version for them... bat woman... spider woman... etc...

Good Lord. My jeans are blue!!

sassy wrote:Christ on a bike, that the most sexist post I have read for a long time, shame on you.

Yeah!!!

I'm such a sexist for talking about something that already exists!!!





Twat!!!



Batwoman is a superheroine appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics. In all incarnations, the character is a wealthy heiress who becomes inspired by the superhero Batman and chooses, like him, to put her wealth and resources towards a war on crime as a masked vigilante in her home of Gotham City.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman




Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) is a fictional superheroine appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appeared in Marvel Spotlight #32, and 50 issues of an ongoing series titled Spider-Woman

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Woman#/search

We are discussing the life of a baby, to much frivolity now.

Back on topic.

Tommy Monk wrote:

sassy wrote:Christ on a bike, that the most sexist post I have read for a long time, shame on you.

Yeah!!!

I'm such a sexist for talking about something that already exists!!!





Twat!!!



Batwoman is a superheroine appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics. In all incarnations, the character is a wealthy heiress who becomes inspired by the superhero Batman and chooses, like him, to put her wealth and resources towards a war on crime as a masked vigilante in her home of Gotham City.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman




Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) is a fictional superheroine appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appeared in Marvel Spotlight #32, and 50 issues of an ongoing series titled Spider-Woman

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Woman#/search

You simply don't get it do you.

Says in op the sister is younger... 2 I think..


And I'm sure a parent would be making it into a girlie version for them... bat woman... spider woman... etc...



If you don't get why that is sexist there is absolutely no hope for you, which simply reinforces what I knew already.

So in essence, some are saying: 'he shouldn't be allowed to wear girls clothes because some will make fun of him'

And see no irony in that? We should tackle to reasons they are made fun of. The reasons against this are idiotic at best and prejudiced at worse.

If the boy wants to wear a fairy outfit so fucking what, why should anyone care?

sassy wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Yeah!!!

I'm such a sexist for talking about something that already exists!!!





Twat!!!



Batwoman is a superheroine appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics. In all incarnations, the character is a wealthy heiress who becomes inspired by the superhero Batman and chooses, like him, to put her wealth and resources towards a war on crime as a masked vigilante in her home of Gotham City.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman




Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) is a fictional superheroine appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appeared in Marvel Spotlight #32, and 50 issues of an ongoing series titled Spider-Woman

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Woman#/search

You simply don't get it do you.

Says in op the sister is younger... 2 I think..


And I'm sure a parent would be making it into a girlie version for them... bat woman... spider woman... etc...



If you don't get why that is sexist there is absolutely no hope for you, which simply reinforces what I knew already.

Don't be a twat... if a girl wanted to be spider man or bat man then I'm sure a parent would say be spiderwoman or bat woman instead...


That is all I'm saying..


Next you'll be saying it's sexist for women to have a girlie night...

Eilzel wrote:So in essence, some are saying: 'he shouldn't be allowed to wear girls clothes because some will make fun of him'

And see no irony in that? We should tackle to reasons they are made fun of. The reasons against this are idiotic at best and prejudiced at worse.

If the boy wants to wear a fairy outfit so fucking what, why should anyone care?

No... we are saying dresses are girls clothes, and as children are like sponges with how they absorb knowledge and information so readily at an early age... we should make sure they start your learn differences early on... IE, girls clothes are for girls etc... Boys don't wear dresses... this will prevent any possible confusion later on.

But why?

I'm pretty sure this kid sees every other male around him dressed in 'male clothing'. Yet he likes wearing this one costume. It probably won't even become a regular thing- why not just let kids be?

You sound like a kid keep asking why...

Only to demonstrate how you cannot answer a simple question. Which goes to prove your reason does not come from reason, only societal conformity- where a kid can't even wear a particular costume without busy bodies tearing their hair out in objection.

Eilzel wrote:Only to demonstrate how you cannot answer a simple question. Which goes to prove your reason does not come from reason, only societal conformity- where a kid can't even wear a particular costume without busy bodies tearing their hair out in objection.

are busybodies tearing their hair out. this is a discussion forum, this is a thread. should we not discuss and put forward our own points of view, or should there only be an official viewpoint that is allowed.

Eilzel wrote:So in essence, some are saying: 'he shouldn't be allowed to wear girls clothes because some will make fun of him'

And see no irony in that? We should tackle to reasons they are made fun of. The reasons against this are idiotic at best and prejudiced at worse.

If the boy wants to wear a fairy outfit so fucking what, why should anyone care?

Exactly!!!

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:So in essence, some are saying: 'he shouldn't be allowed to wear girls clothes because some will make fun of him'

And see no irony in that? We should tackle to reasons they are made fun of. The reasons against this are idiotic at best and prejudiced at worse.

If the boy wants to wear a fairy outfit so fucking what, why should anyone care?

Exactly!!!

while entirely avoiding the real world where kids will make fun of him, probably even more so now as his mother has put his picture in a national newspaper. Kids are not little darlings, they are predatory animals who need to prove their dominance. It's always been that way and no doubt always will be.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:So in essence, some are saying: 'he shouldn't be allowed to wear girls clothes because some will make fun of him'

And see no irony in that? We should tackle to reasons they are made fun of. The reasons against this are idiotic at best and prejudiced at worse.

If the boy wants to wear a fairy outfit so fucking what, why should anyone care?

Exactly!!!

while entirely avoiding the real world where kids will make fun of him, probably even more so now as his mother has put his picture in a national newspaper. Kids are not little darlings, they are predatory animals who need to prove their dominance. It's always been that way and no doubt always will be.

Perhaps you like living in a box with sticky label. Perhaps one day, this kind of thinking will come and bite you in your arse.

Eilzel wrote:Only to demonstrate how you cannot answer a simple question. Which goes to prove your reason does not come from reason, only societal conformity- where a kid can't even wear a particular costume without busy bodies tearing their hair out in objection.

I have given reasons... you just don't want to hear them or recognise them as valid.

eddie wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
while entirely avoiding the real world where kids will make fun of him, probably even more so now as his mother has put his picture in a national newspaper. Kids are not little darlings, they are predatory animals who need to prove their dominance. It's always been that way and no doubt always will be.

Perhaps you like living in a box with sticky label. Perhaps one day, this kind  of thinking will come and bite you in your arse.

"this kind of thinking" is nature red in tooth and claw. kids are cruel, its how they learn. they dont start out as rounded adults. they need boundaries, anyone who says they dont is an idiot.

Eilzel wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Take that child away from the mother. She has been brainwashed by the continuing faggotisation of society.

The establishment want to de-alpha and feminise all men, make them less aggressive and more compliant.

I suppose a religious zealot would know all about brainwashing lol

Also ironic how using a word like 'faggotisation' you make yourself equally bigoted and disgusting as those other morons who talk of 'Islamisation'.

If you want to live in a regressive backwater, Zack, migrate to some theocratic shithole  

"Sh*****e" is where said baby will end up if mummy has her way, FGS, the baby is a masculine child.

Eilzel wrote:I think the words 'allowed' and 'encouraged' are in danger of being mixed up here. I think it is simply unrequired to talk about encouraging boys wearing dresses. But if he chooses to, without any encouragement- is there any need to tell him no?

4 year olds do NOT choose, they have parentz to guide them, admittedly so many parentz nowadayz are minguz/muntuz themselvez and littlunz do not have a chance in life.

Some of you have no clue that you're actually allowing bullies dictate what your kid can do.

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:No because you've just confused him. His next question will be "Why are some clothes unisex?"

And you don't really know the answer if you're honest. Who does?

What you're really saying is:
"I don't want you to wear that dress because boys aren't supposed to wear dresses (don't know why that is, we've just been told that once - my mum told me) and if you do wear it then you might get called a name (that won't be your fault but you will have to be the one to make the sacrifice even though you've done nothing wrong) and life is just easier if we wear what we are supposed to and mummy won't worry and you won't have to deal with bullies until they may find something else to bully you about if you're unlucky"

And Syl I don't get it.  It's like bowing down to what other's think and at the same time planting the seed that they must "always fit in".

They have enough time at senior school having to wear uniforms and at work all their adult life  - why not let them just be children?

I think the confusion would lie in not explaining that some clothes are worn by girls and some are worn by boys.

It's not a matter of being bullied either....I doubt most  4 years would bully, but they would see a little boy constantly dressing up as a fairy as different, and like I keep saying kids of that age want to fit in, so why encourage them not to?

I will ask you now Eddie, where would you draw the line?
So this little boy starts primary school, he wants to still dress as a fairy, by this time he wants to wear a bow or a tiara in his hair like the other fairies he has seen pics of, would you let him go to school wearing a dress?

For Eddie.

It's not about bullies... it's about what's appropriate and giving kids a steer in the right direction.

Yes Syl, if he wanted to and it was important enough that he kept on about it - ie not being ever distracted from it - id sit him down and ask age-appropriate questions about why he feels as though this is so important to him and why it makes him happy,
Then I'd take it from there.

My son got bullied for not being able to ride his bike until he was 8, I didn't make him learn to ride it so he wouldn't get bullied, I constantly told him to learn when he's ready and that bullies chatted shit and were whatless. NEVER would I have thought about bowing down to peer pressure!

Know what you're teaching them by bowing to peer pressure?? Use your imagination for that one.

Bullied for not being able to ride a bike...?


May I ask what this bullying consisted of?

eddie wrote:Yes Syl, if he wanted to and it was important enough that he kept on about it - ie not being ever distracted from it - id sit him down and ask age-appropriate questions about why he feels as though this is so important to him and why it makes him happy,
Then I'd take it from there.

My son got bullied for not being able to ride his bike until he was 8, I didn't make him learn to ride it so he wouldn't get bullied, I constantly told him to learn when he's ready and that bullies chatted shit and were whatless. NEVER would I have thought about bowing down to peer pressure!

Know what you're teaching them by bowing to peer pressure?? Use your imagination for that one.

Well firstly the vast majority of 4 year olds would not keep on about it, they would easily be distracted (the two choice reasoning we mentioned would be an easy way to distract them) so to encourage a 4 year old boy NOT to wear a fairy costume  would never become an issue unless the parent made it so...like the woman in the OP.

Kids learn different skills at different times, if an 8 year old is bullied because he cant do certain skill, well  that's the other kids problem not your sons.

But a boy wearing a dress openly in public would be open to stares, remarks, and probably disbelief....all because the parent couldn't be arsed to point out in the first place that fairy dresses are for girls..

The mother should never have given it to him as a choice to wear in the first place!