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victorismyhero wrote:there are numerous states of fear though ...you are only talking "instantaneous fear" and that is kind of half useful half destructive, since you react as you impulsively and thuse may well act in an inappropriate manner.

then there is "long term fear"....which is where the real destructiveness comes in, we know well enough of the serious mental trauma that can be inflicted on people in that state...

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Simple, all negative emotions are forms of fear, whether it be hate, anger, anxiety, frustration, sadness etc
Hate towards a people is a based on a fear of them.
Anger at a wrong is based on a fear it could happen to you or others
A fear of what may happens leads to anxiety.
A fear that we cannot accomplish, leads to frustration.
A fear of losing someone leads to sadness.
A fear of eternal punishment leads to irrational beliefs

All negative roads stem from fear
Once you eradicate this fear, you will cease to suffer these negative  emotions.
Easier said than done but ever so true.

Hope I helped further expand your understanding of negative emotions.

Now I really have to go.

So enjoy your day

Dibs is right. Fear is the most basic of primitive emotions and is a natural instinct.

It is how you react to fear that can be positive or negative.

Emotions motivate. That's it. It's what you are motivated to do, can either be constructive or destructive to yourself or others.

I hope I have helped further expand your understanding of emotions.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:fear is a negative emotion becasue it prevents rational thinking....


"quote from "DUNE"

"fear is the mind killer"

fear is negative because it it obstructs and can interfere with your survival.....
It kills drive and prevents action when needed.....

Not true. Flight or fight can be positive reactions.

It's "freeze" that is a negative reaction (or prevent action, as you say).

Again - fear is not negative in itself. It is an emotion designed to motivate you (the clue is in the word: e-motion).

It's how you are motivated that determines what is positive or negative: fight, flight or freeze.

gelico again wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:

you mean like when an army is routed and all killed, when staying and fighting ccould save them????

like when victims in a disaster panic out of fear and run around like headless chickens, and therfor die

like panic when someone is drowning and pulls under the would be rescuer??

fear of individually doing something or of the unknown may on a few occaisions have saved someone....BUT...in the long term it is a destroyer.....

fear does not necessarily make you run round like a headless chicken

fear does not necessarily make you panic

it isn't the fear itself that is the problem but the way some people deal with it

eg, if a doctors report states that you are in danger of heart attack unless you change your lifestyle habits then the fear of that very thing will make you change and will have a positive result

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:

wrong...fear may dictate flight when the safer/better thing is to fight....
fear also leads to hopelessness and depression....

fear pervents the application of logic to a situation....


it is indeed "the mind killer"

Hopelessness and depression are indeed negative.

But they are not the only outcome of fear.

When you are in a state of fear, the increased adrenalin levels are designed to make you decided on IMPULSIVE decisions: flight or fight. The fact that the decision may turn out to have a negative outcome doesn't mean fear itself is negative.

Tommy Monk wrote:More dodgy waffle...



Still twisting...

Tommy Monk wrote:You are more twisty and turny than a twisty turny thing dodge!!!

gelico again wrote:surprise is an emotion not based on either fear or love
Really, have you never jumped when surprised?
disgust is an emotion  not based on either fear or love
Yes it can stem from fear. Are some people disgusted by spiders for example?
contempt is an emotion not based on either fear or love
Incorrect Contempt is a seed that often harvests fear.
anticipation is an emotion not based on either fear or love
Incorrect again you can anticipation over love for exmaple which will be driven by fear, leading to frustration for example

and so on and so on and so on
Please do as this is interesting

i strongly dislike seeing dogshit in the park,,,,,i neither love it nor fear it I just dislike it
Its is unhygenic and you will have a fear of stepping on dog shit will you not, so fear again leads to dislike

this whole thing is ridiculous
You just need to think things through

according to aristotle there are 14 irreducible emotions, which he described as fear, confidence, anger, friendship, calm, enmity, shame, shamelessness, pity, kindness, envy, indignation, emulation, and contempt.

later this was reduced.  According to the best-known theories that classify the human emotional experience, there are anywhere from four to eight basic emotions.

Robert Plutchik's wheel of emotions which identifies eight basic emotions - joy, sadness, trust, disgust, fear, anger, surprise, and anticipation. The wheel of emotion is likened to the color wheel in which the primary colors combine to form the secondary and complementary colors. These basic emotions then mix and combine to form a variety of feelings. For example, anticipation plus joy might combine to form optimism.

The original six emotions identified by psychologist Paul Eckman were happiness, sadness, surprise, fear, anger, and disgust. He later went on to add a seventh emotion - contempt.

The research conducted  suggests that there are four irreducible emotions, but this certainly does not mean that people are only capable of experiencing four emotional states. "Nobody in their right mind would say there are only four emotions,"  clarified in an interview with The Christian Science Monitor. "That simply isn't true. Human beings have incredibly complex emotions."

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Not true. Flight or fight can be positive reactions.

It's "freeze" that is a negative reaction (or prevent action, as you say).

Again - fear is not negative in itself. It is an emotion designed to motivate you (the clue is in the word: e-motion).

It's how you are motivated that determines what is positive or negative: fight, flight or freeze.

Now you are talking Gobbldygook
All negative emotions stem from fear and as seen you do not get any motivations from many negative emotions at all. So you have no comprehension what you are talking about which no doubt stem s from the religious teachings you receive

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Now you are talking Gobbldygook
All negative emotions stem from fear and as seen you do not get any motivations from many negative emotions at all. So you have no comprehension what you are talking about which no doubt stem s from the religious teachings you receive

When you can't counter anything I say, your only retort is that I don't understand because of my religion.

Do you realise how pathetic that prejudice is?

I know you won't understand what I'm saying because the likes of you and Victor are closed minded and think you know it all.

Never mind - you go back to thinking its gobbledygook. Enjoy your closed space - or you can read some basic books on pschology (note: not religion. Lol).

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Now you are talking Gobbldygook
All negative emotions stem from fear and as seen you do not get any motivations from many negative emotions at all. So you have no comprehension what you are talking about which no doubt stem s from the religious teachings you receive

When you can't counter anything I say, your only retort is that I don't understand because of my religion.

Do you realise how pathetic that prejudice is?

I know you won't understand what I'm saying because the likes of you and Victor are closed minded and think you know it all.

Never mind - you go back to thinking its gobbledygook. Enjoy your closed space - or you can read some basic books on pschology (note: not religion. Lol).

gelico again wrote:I can be pleasantly surprised to come back from shopping and find the housework done.  Sometimes I am surprised at how good a contestant is on x-factor.  Neither of those examples would make me jump back in fear

I do not fear dogshit, unhygenic though it is, I just dislike it and avoid it because it stinks

I note that you do not comment on findings from top psychologists and research but then of course you would know better than them.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

When you can't counter anything I say, your only retort is that I don't understand because of my religion.

Do you realise how pathetic that prejudice is?

I know you won't understand what I'm saying because the likes of you and Victor are closed minded and think you know it all.

Never mind - you go back to thinking its gobbledygook. Enjoy your closed space - or you can read some basic books on pschology (note: not religion. Lol).

Victim card alert. So you see you now use negative emotions to make out you are a victim here, where you now get extremely defensive which is what religious people generally do when their religion and its views are challenged.
You see your answer was led by negativity and not with a view to debate
Like I say if you did not fear your god, you would have no need to believe
Why would something that is meant to represent love want you to fear them
It places also as seen conditions on this love, so you tell me does love require conditions?

gelico again wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

When you can't counter anything I say, your only retort is that I don't understand because of my religion.

Do you realise how pathetic that prejudice is?

I know you won't understand what I'm saying because the likes of you and Victor are closed minded and think you know it all.

Never mind - you go back to thinking its gobbledygook. Enjoy your closed space - or you can read some basic books on pschology (note: not religion. Lol).

Oh give up zack,,,,,and feel the lurve babe.  Stop being so fearful LOL!

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Fear can even make you stronger, emotionally.

Fear is a stress. It informs us of potential danger.

Just as exercise is a stress. Too much can kill you. But just enough so that your body is stressed but low enough so that your body can recover, you body over compensates during recovery and adapts so you can cope with greater stress in the future.

This is not religion! Hope some aren't so stupid and ignorant. This is in fact the fundamental process of EVOLUTION.

D'UH!

HA HA!

gelico again wrote:It isn't fear that causes me to avoid dogshit didge it is my sense of smell.

Surprise is an emotion, which in some instances may be connected to fear, but then again in some instances may not be.

so concluding that there are more emotions than fear and love

Cuchulain wrote:

gelico again wrote:surprise is an emotion not based on either fear or love
Really, have you never jumped when surprised?
disgust is an emotion  not based on either fear or love
Yes it can stem from fear. Are some people disgusted by spiders for example?
contempt is an emotion not based on either fear or love
Incorrect Contempt is a seed that often harvests fear.
anticipation is an emotion not based on either fear or love
Incorrect again you can anticipation over love for exmaple which will be driven by fear, leading to frustration for example

and so on and so on and so on
Please do as this is interesting

i strongly dislike seeing dogshit in the park,,,,,i neither love it nor fear it I just dislike it
Its is unhygenic and you will have a fear of stepping on dog shit will you not, so fear again leads to dislike

this whole thing is ridiculous
You just need to think things through

according to aristotle there are 14 irreducible emotions, which he described as fear, confidence, anger, friendship, calm, enmity, shame, shamelessness, pity, kindness, envy, indignation, emulation, and contempt.

later this was reduced.  According to the best-known theories that classify the human emotional experience, there are anywhere from four to eight basic emotions.

Robert Plutchik's wheel of emotions which identifies eight basic emotions - joy, sadness, trust, disgust, fear, anger, surprise, and anticipation. The wheel of emotion is likened to the color wheel in which the primary colors combine to form the secondary and complementary colors. These basic emotions then mix and combine to form a variety of feelings. For example, anticipation plus joy might combine to form optimism.

The original six emotions identified by psychologist Paul Eckman were happiness, sadness, surprise, fear, anger, and disgust. He later went on to add a seventh emotion - contempt.

The research conducted  suggests that there are four irreducible emotions, but this certainly does not mean that people are only capable of experiencing four emotional states. "Nobody in their right mind would say there are only four emotions,"  clarified in an interview with The Christian Science Monitor. "That simply isn't true. Human beings have incredibly complex emotions."

[b]

All very interesting

What I am saying is that all negative emotions lead from fear,

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Victim card alert. So you see you now use negative emotions to make out you are a victim here, where you now get extremely defensive which is what religious people generally do when their religion and its views are challenged.
You see your answer was led by negativity and not with a view to debate
Like I say if you did not fear your god, you would have no need to believe
Why would something that is meant to represent love want you to fear them
It places also as seen conditions on this love, so you tell me does love require conditions?

You sound like a tree hugging hippy and not an evolutionist.

See reply above for true science.

Cuchulain wrote:

gelico again wrote:It isn't fear that causes me to avoid dogshit didge it is my sense of smell.

Surprise is an emotion, which in some instances may be connected to fear, but then again in some instances may not be.

so concluding that there are more emotions than fear and love

You are still not grasping gelico
You do not like a smell, its a fear that then drives the dislike
Surprise is an intial emotional reaction which caused by both bad and good emotions.
Someone makes you jump, fear led to you jumping.
You get a surpirse present, love made you happy to get a present
That means they can all still stem from fear and love can they not?

gelico again wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:
[b]

All very interesting

What I am saying is that all negative emotions lead from fear,  

yes i know what you're saying but I say you're wrong

impatience could be described as a negative emotion but that doesn't stem from any kind of fear,,,,fear of what?

contempt could be described as a negative emotion but that doesn't stem from any kind of fear,,,,fear of what?

even anger which could be described as extremely negative doesn't necessarily stem from any kind of fear

anyway going to bed now

gelico again wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

You are still not grasping gelico
You do not like a smell, its a fear that then drives the dislike
Surprise is an intial emotional reaction which caused by both bad and good emotions.
Someone makes you jump, fear led to you jumping.
You get a surpirse present, love made you happy to get a present
That means they can all still stem from fear and love can they not?

No,,you are still wrong.

It is not fear that drives a dislike.  I've already said I do not fear bad smells

Someone makes me jump,,,,yes I give you that one, there is a split second of fear

what about the example of surprise I might feel when for some reason I expect an x factor contestant to be complete pants but they turn out to be great.  Explain the fear or love that stems from.

and as for this,,,,'' you can anticipation over love for exmaple which will be driven by fear, leading to frustration for example''  it makes no sense whatsoever

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Fear can even make you stronger, emotionally.

Fear is a stress. It informs us of potential danger.

Just as exercise is a stress. Too much can kill you. But just enough so that your body is stressed but low enough so that your body can recover, you body over compensates during recovery and adapts so you can cope with greater stress in the future.

This is not religion! Hope some aren't so stupid and ignorant. This is in fact the fundamental process of EVOLUTION.

D'UH!

HA HA!

Fear leads to many paths that do not strenghen you at all even more so emotionally
So again you are now getting even further emotional because in my view religions play off negative fear on order to convert people. So its a valid topic when discussing emotions. Fear can have its benefits intially to recognise where something is wrong, but it is positive emotions that work best in making us stronger in dealing with many problems.
So this is why I ask you questions over why such a supreme being would use fear.
That by fear it is fear making you believe and fooled into thinking you are doing so out of love.
It cannot be love, as this love is conditional in your faith

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Fear leads to many paths that do not strenghen you at all even more so emotionally
So again you are now getting even further emotional because in my view religions play off negative fear on order to convert people. So its a valid topic when discussing emotions. Fear can have its benefits intially to recognise where something is wrong, but it is positive emotions that work best in making us stronger in dealing with many problems.
So this is why I ask you questions over why such a supreme being would use fear.
That by fear it is fear making you believe and fooled into thinking you are doing so out of love.
It cannot be love, as this love is conditional in your faith

It's a shame you don't understand the science of fear and the role it plays in evolution.
Unfounded accusation when the fact is I understand fear very well, its limited benefits and how in the main it leads to so much negativity
I've actually given you an example where a small dosage of fear or stress can be good for you. And help you progress as a human being.
Wow...Again the limited benefits are small, where you are ignorantly ignoring the fact in the majority it leads to many negative emotions aniexty, depression etc. So to argue off so small a benefit compared to how damaging it can be shows how poor and weak your argument is
You may think you understand fear. To be honest, your theory is straight out of Star Wars. You sound like Yoda with your fear can only lead to the dark side bit.
Again unfounded where you use humour thinking this rebukes my points clearly showing you are unable to rebuke my points

My views aren't religious. They're straight out of a pschology textbook. I'd give you a reading list but you're so arrogant that you will ignore it. So I will let you wallow in your child like view of the world.

Cuchulain wrote:Okay this is interesting what I have just read.
What do people notice in regard to fear here?



Dear Professor Dawkins,
I don’t expect this letter to personally reach you, as I’m sure you and your Foundation must receive hundreds daily, but on the off chance it does I want to say thank you.
How truly thankful I am cannot be adequately expressed in words. I have been brought up in a Christian family, but I am gay. For years – from the time I was 9 or 10 – I spent many endless nights awake crying and praying for me to be changed so I wouldn’t go to hell. Then till I was about 16 or 17, for a while I still believed, but I forced myself to just not think about it. However, thanks to primarily the countless YouTube videos of you and Mr. Hitchens (who I’m so sad to have departed from us before I could thank him as I do you now), I was introduced to the light of science and reason (of which your book The God Delusion and Hitchens’ God is Not Great helped much with also).
You helped me – now a young man of 18 – to not be sad at who I am anymore, and to not be afraid to question and learn anymore. Now, as I head off to college, I could not feel any more at peace with myself than I do now, and you, sir, are one of (if not the most) important factors that have made this so.
Your Fellow Atheist,
Bric Butler

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SEXY MAMA wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Okay this is interesting what I have just read.
What do people notice in regard to fear here?



Dear Professor Dawkins,
I don’t expect this letter to personally reach you, as I’m sure you and your Foundation must receive hundreds daily, but on the off chance it does I want to say thank you.
How truly thankful I am cannot be adequately expressed in words. I have been brought up in a Christian family, but I am gay. For years – from the time I was 9 or 10 – I spent many endless nights awake crying and praying for me to be changed so I wouldn’t go to hell. Then till I was about 16 or 17, for a while I still believed, but I forced myself to just not think about it. However, thanks to primarily the countless YouTube videos of you and Mr. Hitchens (who I’m so sad to have departed from us before I could thank him as I do you now), I was introduced to the light of science and reason (of which your book The God Delusion and Hitchens’ God is Not Great helped much with also).
You helped me – now a young man of 18 – to not be sad at who I am anymore, and to not be afraid to question and learn anymore. Now, as I head off to college, I could not feel any more at peace with myself than I do now, and you, sir, are one of (if not the most) important factors that have made this so.
Your Fellow Atheist,
Bric Butler

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So he doesn't believe in God after reading 2 books!

The issue I see above is he wanted to believe what he's doing ( being Gay) is acceptable and he found a way out.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

It's a shame you don't understand the science of fear and the role it plays in evolution.
Unfounded accusation when the fact is I understand fear very well, its limited benefits and how in the main it leads to so much negativity
I've actually given you an example where a small dosage of fear or stress can be good for you. And help you progress as a human being.
Wow...Again the limited benefits are small, where you are ignorantly ignoring the fact in the majority it leads to many negative emotions aniexty, depression etc. So to argue off so small a benefit compared to how damaging it can be shows how poor and weak your argument is
You may think you understand fear. To be honest, your theory is straight out of Star Wars. You sound like Yoda with your fear can only lead to the dark side bit.
Again unfounded where you use humour thinking this rebukes my points clearly showing you are unable to rebuke my points

My views aren't religious. They're straight out of a pschology textbook. I'd give you a reading list but you're so arrogant that you will ignore it. So I will let you wallow in your child like view of the world.

Your views are controlled by your emotions that is evident as they are here again as you are still being defensive and I am very interested in talking about how emotions espcially fear play a major part and influence of those religious. This is evident again when you play the victim card and become even more defensive.

So what did you actually rebuke on my points?
Nothing, all you did was act immature and be very defensive

gelico again wrote:It isn't fear that causes me to avoid dogshit didge it is my sense of smell.

Surprise is an emotion, which in some instances may be connected to fear, but then again in some instances may not be.

so concluding that there are more emotions than fear and love

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Okay this is interesting what I have just read.
What do people notice in regard to fear here?



Dear Professor Dawkins,
I don’t expect this letter to personally reach you, as I’m sure you and your Foundation must receive hundreds daily, but on the off chance it does I want to say thank you.
How truly thankful I am cannot be adequately expressed in words. I have been brought up in a Christian family, but I am gay. For years – from the time I was 9 or 10 – I spent many endless nights awake crying and praying for me to be changed so I wouldn’t go to hell. Then till I was about 16 or 17, for a while I still believed, but I forced myself to just not think about it. However, thanks to primarily the countless YouTube videos of you and Mr. Hitchens (who I’m so sad to have departed from us before I could thank him as I do you now), I was introduced to the light of science and reason (of which your book The God Delusion and Hitchens’ God is Not Great helped much with also).
You helped me – now a young man of 18 – to not be sad at who I am anymore, and to not be afraid to question and learn anymore. Now, as I head off to college, I could not feel any more at peace with myself than I do now, and you, sir, are one of (if not the most) important factors that have made this so.
Your Fellow Atheist,
Bric Butler

---

So he doesn't believe in God after reading 2 books!

The issue I see above is he wanted to believe what he's doing ( being Gay) is acceptable and he found a way out.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Your views are controlled by your emotions that is evident as they are here again as you are still being defensive and I am very interested in talking about how emotions espcially fear play a major part and influence of those religious. This is evident again when you play the victim card and become even more defensive.

So what did you actually rebuke on my points?
Nothing, all you did was act immature and be very defensive

No, the benefits are huge.
So you keep claiming but the fact is fear creates far more negative emotive issues, which you keep ignoring

This is exactly why the armed forces are exposed to increasingly stressful environs,mets in training, so they can handle the fear/stress in the battle field.
So everyone is in the armed forces are they?
You see yout thinking is based on fighting and utilizing fear within combat, because there is already a problem with fear when in combat.The fact is though no amount of mental training can prepare troops for when they do actually come under fire and why many who have faced combat end up with truamatic conditions. So even on that issue you are mistake

You can apply the same process of training to any stressful job where the risks are high - inc. business and finance.
There are much better ways to deal with stress from positive methods

Again - none of this is religious. ;-)
I know you do not want to discuss the religious aspect because they are fear based driven

As for your points, sorry but I don't reply to childish fairytales. So let's stick to mine. Wait for the end of the year for the new Star Wars movie to address yours.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

So he doesn't believe in God after reading 2 books!

The issue I see above is he wanted to believe what he's doing ( being Gay) is acceptable and he found a way out.

Spot on.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:You made only 1 good point: you cannot feel fear and love at the same time.

I proved you wrong. Shame how you avoided replying to that.

Cuchulain wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

So he doesn't believe in God after reading 2 books!

The issue I see above is he wanted to believe what he's doing ( being Gay) is acceptable and he found a way out.

No, I asked what was apparant about fear here?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

So he doesn't believe in God after reading 2 books!

The issue I see above is he wanted to believe what he's doing ( being Gay) is acceptable and he found a way out.

Spot on.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Spot on.

Another one that cannot show how fear played a part here and how he became free of this fear

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:You made only 1 good point: you cannot feel fear and love at the same time.

I proved you wrong. Shame how you avoided replying to that.

Another cpost where you claim you have rebuked me, without actually doing so.

Look stop wasting my time Zack, this is clearly above your comprehension.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Another cpost where you claim you have rebuked me, without actually doing so.

Look stop wasting my time Zack, this is clearly above your comprehension.

You sound like a coward to me.

Everyone can see you ignored it. So it's fine by me if you can't reply.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Another cpost where you claim you have rebuked me, without actually doing so.

Look stop wasting my time Zack, this is clearly above your comprehension.

You sound like a coward to me.

Everyone can see you ignored it. So it's fine by me if you can't reply.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You sound like a coward to me.

Everyone can see you ignored it. So it's fine by me if you can't reply.

looks like you have picked up a stray dog fuzzmuck