non halal and syrian refugees

by Guest Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:54 pm

First topic message reminder :

Just found this bit of information as i think the Syrian refugees refusing food parcels from red cross charities is ungrateful .

"Allah tells us in the Qur'an that we may eat of the good food of Christians and Jews. Therefore, unless there is a specific reason for the prohibition of a particular type of food prepared by such people, it is permissible to eat it.

So what's their problem ?

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:48 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

No, I asked what was apparant about fear here?

I don't know you tell me?

Religious people ARE supposed to fear God but they don't which is apparent in how they conduct themselves.

Which is the problem.
Its not really a choice to love god.
Fear is driving this beleif.
The fear of eternal punishment.

This boy no doubt had Christianity drummed into him from a young age
To the point the fear factor was again of punishment driving his belief.
He also feared he was a sin based on the beleif system and became very emotional over this at an age when he should not have been made to feel like this. Religion played the negative fear on him to the point he felt completely lost.
He never saw there was other options in life but as he grew mentally he started to question what he was brought up with.
It allowd him to be free of a fear he never should have had to face in the first place.

It is fear that makes people believe and not love as that love is conditional.
Now you tell me Sexy, if you new of a female friend of yours where the Husband placed conditions on that love with threats of violence, would you say that was a loving relationship or would you advise here it was not love at all and she was being abused?
.

At least you are interested in a debate here, so thank you.
It gets boring when people deflect as a certain Mowgli was doing

Interested from your perspective

by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:49 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

I don't know you tell me?

Religious people ARE supposed to fear God but they don't which is apparent in how they conduct themselves.

Which is the problem.
Its not really a choice to love god.
Fear is driving this beleif.
The fear of eternal punishment.

This boy no doubt had Christianity drummed into him from a young age
To the point the fear factor was again of punishment driving his belief.
He also feared he was a sin based on the beleif system and became very emotional over this at an age when he should not have been made to feel like this. Religion played the negative fear on him to the point he felt completely lost.
He never saw there was other options in life but as he grew mentally he started to question what he was brought up with.
It allowd him to be free of a fear he never should have had to face in the first place.

It is fear that makes people believe and not love as that love is conditional.
Now you tell me Sexy, if you new of a female friend of yours where the Husband placed conditions on that love with threats of violence, would you say that was a loving relationship or would you advise here it was not love at all and she was being abused?
.

what is a relationship with a parent and child????

Its of fear AND love.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:51 pm

so why would starving people turn down non halal food...

can moslims eat non halal and pray on it first is there a rule for eating non halal food..

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:51 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Which is the problem.
Its not really a choice to love god.
Fear is driving this beleif.
The fear of eternal punishment.

This boy no doubt had Christianity drummed into him from a young age
To the point the fear factor was again of punishment driving his belief.
He also feared he was a sin based on the beleif system and became very emotional over this at an age when he should not have been made to feel like this. Religion played the negative fear on him to the point he felt completely lost.
He never saw there was other options in life but as he grew mentally he started to question what he was brought up with.
It allowd him to be free of a fear he never should have had to face in the first place.

It is fear that makes people believe and not love as that love is conditional.
Now you tell me Sexy, if you new of a female friend of yours where the Husband placed conditions on that love with threats of violence, would you say that was a loving relationship or would you advise here it was not love at all and she was being abused?
.

what is a relationship with a parent and child????

Its of fear AND love.

You are saying a child has to fear their parents?
Nope, the relationship is love.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:54 pm

can we get back on topic please, I believe there are rules about derailing threads...

by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:55 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

what is a relationship with a parent and child????

Its of fear AND love.

You are saying a child has to fear their parents?
Nope, the relationship is love.

Its of Love and fear Didge.

You fear them and you love them its possible to feel both emotions. I did with my father I loved him more than anything and feared his reaction if I did something wrong. He has never laid a hand on me but the fear was there none the less.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:55 pm

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:can we get back on topic please, I believe there are rules about derailing threads...

The topic has moved on, so tough

by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:57 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You sound like a coward to me.

Everyone can see you ignored it. So it's fine by me if you can't reply.

Lol emotive again and now completely obsessed with me.
You are just stalling now and wasting my time.

Though I am enjoying watching you get so defensive and emotive, which further proves my stance on the effects of religious beliefs with emotions.

Both of you don't know the meaning of obsession..................

If you want to know who's obsessed check out the OP with Islam

lolololololol

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:57 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:can we get back on topic please, I believe there are rules about derailing threads...

The topic has moved on, so tough

wrong you need to show respect for threads you're the first one to run crying to eddie when you see a rule being broken .

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:57 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:can we get back on topic please, I believe there are rules about derailing threads...

The topic has moved on, so tough

hey tell the rules not me..

so are there rules under sharia when moslims are allowed to eat non halal food...

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:00 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Lol emotive again and now completely obsessed with me.
You are just stalling now and wasting my time.

Though I am enjoying watching you get so defensive and emotive, which further proves my stance on the effects of religious beliefs with emotions.

Both of you don't know the meaning of obsession..................

If you want to know who's obsessed check out the OP with Islam

lolololololol

lol there is no obsession im just disgusted at the moslem ungrateful wankers throwing food back in the faces of red cross workers.
But it just shows islam and its true colours doesn't it Laughing

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:01 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

You are saying a child has to fear their parents?
Nope, the relationship is love.

Its of Love and fear Didge.

You fear them and you love them its possible to feel both emotions. I did with my father I loved him more than anything and feared his reaction if I did something wrong. He has never laid a hand on me but the fear was there none the less.

My parents used fear and violence because this was all they knew, and it was wrong, as we did live in fear, it made me loathe and dispise them and not love them, to the point when I moved out I did not speak to them for a few years.
Fear is good at pointing out dangerous things to warn children from harm, but a parent that who uses fear with physical is never good. Where a child is warned of fire, now the parent is also seen as dangereous, which is not a good teaching method.

A child should be growing up in a caring, loving environment.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:01 pm

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Both of you don't know the meaning of obsession..................

If you want to know who's obsessed check out the OP with Islam

lolololololol

lol there is no obsession im just disgusted at the moslem ungrateful wankers throwing food back in the faces of red cross workers.
But it just shows islam and its true colours doesn't it

yep all moslims seem to know is how to demand...

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:02 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

You are saying a child has to fear their parents?
Nope, the relationship is love.

Its of Love and fear Didge.

You fear them and you love them its possible to feel both emotions. I did with my father I loved him more than anything and feared his reaction if I did something wrong. He has never laid a hand on me but the fear was there none the less.

My parents used fear and violence because this was all they knew, and it was wrong, as we did live in fear, it made me loathe and dispise them and not love them, to the point when I moved out I did not speak to them for a few years.
Fear is good at pointing out dangerous things to warn children from harm, but a parent that who uses fear with physical is never good. Where a child is warned of fire, now the parent is also seen as dangereous, which is not a good teaching method.

A child should be growing up in a caring, loving environment.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:03 pm

actually didge makes a good point , why should the children go hungry here ?

by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:04 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Its of Love and fear Didge.

You fear them and you love them its possible to feel both emotions. I did with my father I loved him more than anything and feared his reaction if I did something wrong. He has never laid a hand on me but the fear was there none the less.

My parents used fear and violence because this was all they knew, and it was wrong, as we did live in fear, it made me loathe and dispise them and not love them, to the point when I moved out I did not speak to them for a few years.
Fear is good at pointing out dangerous things to warn children from harm, but a parent that who uses fear with physical is never good. Where a child is warned of fire, now the parent is also seen as dangereous, which is not a good teaching method.

A child should be growing up in a caring, loving environment.

I had the best childhood Didge not once did my parents ever hit me but I did fear them so as I said both emotions can be there and used accordingly.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:04 pm

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

lol there is no obsession im just disgusted at the moslem ungrateful wankers throwing food back in the faces of red cross workers.
But it just shows islam and its true colours doesn't it

yep all moslims seem to know is how to demand...

bullies that's all they are .

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:06 pm

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:
heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

yep all moslims seem to know is how to demand...
bullies that's all they are .

yep but these bullies are so tough they have left their wives and children to be raped and murdered while they run off to another country and demand to be fed....

nice people....

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:10 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

My parents used fear and violence because this was all they knew, and it was wrong, as we did live in fear, it made me loathe and dispise them and not love them, to the point when I moved out I did not speak to them for a few years.
Fear is good at pointing out dangerous things to warn children from harm, but a parent that who uses fear with physical is never good. Where a child is warned of fire, now the parent is also seen as dangereous, which is not a good teaching method.

A child should be growing up in a caring, loving environment.

I had the best childhood Didge not once did my parents ever hit me but I did fear them so as I said both emotions can be there and used accordingly.

Well these is the difference I we all good a good beaten for any perceived wrong.
I do not hate them for it, as like I say this is all they knew from the timeframe they grew up with.
Like i say fear has limited value and like I say is good for pointing out dangers, but parents should not be seen as a danger to a child.

This though is far removed from fear that is apllied within the Abrahamic religions.
That you will suffer eternal punishment.
Its not really allowing people to freely believe as without such a threat, then people would choose either to believe or not believe.
With then conditional love those believing are doing so out of the fear.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:10 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

I had the best childhood Didge not once did my parents ever hit me but I did fear them so as I said both emotions can be there and used accordingly.

Well these is the difference I we all good a good beaten for any perceived wrong.
I do not hate them for it, as like I say this is all they knew from the timeframe they grew up with.
Like i say fear has limited value and like I say is good for pointing out dangers, but parents should not be seen as a danger to a child.

This though is far removed from fear that is apllied within the Abrahamic religions.
That you will suffer eternal punishment.
Its not really allowing people to freely believe as without such a threat, then people would choose either to believe or not believe.
With then conditional love those believing are doing so out of the fear.
As take the fear away, and you are left being able to choose freely.

by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:15 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

I had the best childhood Didge not once did my parents ever hit me but I did fear them so as I said both emotions can be there and used accordingly.

Well these is the difference I we all good a good beaten for any perceived wrong.
I do not hate them for it, as like I say this is all they knew from the timeframe they grew up with.
Like i say fear has limited value and like I say is good for pointing out dangers, but parents should not be seen as a danger to a child.

This though is far removed from fear that is apllied within the Abrahamic religions.
That you will suffer eternal punishment.
Its not really allowing people to freely believe as without such a threat, then people would choose either to believe or not believe.
With then conditional love those believing are doing so out of the fear.

I don't have a problem with fear and using conditional love though

The way I see it is if you do good you have a great eternal life. I don't see the problem with having a goal as such. As an Atheist I know you will find that constraining.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:18 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Well these is the difference I we all good a good beaten for any perceived wrong.
I do not hate them for it, as like I say this is all they knew from the timeframe they grew up with.
Like i say fear has limited value and like I say is good for pointing out dangers, but parents should not be seen as a danger to a child.

This though is far removed from fear that is apllied within the Abrahamic religions.
That you will suffer eternal punishment.
Its not really allowing people to freely believe as without such a threat, then people would choose either to believe or not believe.
With then conditional love those believing are doing so out of the fear.

I don't have a problem with fear and using conditional love though

The way I see it is if you do good you have a great eternal life. I don't see the problem with having a goal as such. As an Atheist I know you will find that constraining.

But there you go, its conditonal, you are not being allowed really to chose. That choice is loaded with a threat. So you are not doing good out of wanting to do good, but to please a deity, with the view to save you from suffering. So really the choice is not coming from you, your actions are being persuaded by the use of fear.

Its like I said, if you saw a female friend in such a conditonal marriage, where she received threats of violence. Would you think your friend is in possible danger or in a loving marriage?

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:19 pm

So these ungrateful wankers are demanding halal food , surely if you're a beggar you shouldn't demand a single thing but be grateful for being considered to even eat .

by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:21 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

I don't have a problem with fear and using conditional love though

The way I see it is if you do good you have a great eternal life. I don't see the problem with having a goal as such. As an Atheist I know you will find that constraining.

But there you go, its conditonal, you are not being allowed really to chose. That choice is loaded with a threat. So you are not doing good out of wanting to do good, but to please a deity, with the view to save you from suffering. So really the choice is not coming from you, your actions are being persuaded by the use of fear.

Its like I said, if you saw a female friend in such a conditonal marriage, where she received threats of violence. Would you think your friend is in possible danger or in a loving marriage?

You cant compare it to a marriage though

That's the point im making

The relationship is like that of a parent and child where a parent knows best.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:25 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

But there you go, its conditonal, you are not being allowed really to chose. That choice is loaded with a threat. So you are not doing good out of wanting to do good, but to please a deity, with the view to save you from suffering. So really the choice is not coming from you, your actions are being persuaded by the use of fear.

Its like I said, if you saw a female friend in such a conditonal marriage, where she received threats of violence. Would you think your friend is in possible danger or in a loving marriage?

You cant compare it to a marriage though

That's the point im making

The relationship is like that of a parent and child where a parent knows best.

Of course I can Sexy, how else do we learn in life if it cannot be applied to how we live our lives.
Its a very good indicator to tell whether something is right or wrong.
I have compared it to a parent and a child and again.
So if two parents created a child and that child later when they grew up and by 12 told the parents he did not believe in them and love them. With the parents then placing the child in a secure location, torturing this child in the most unimaginable way for the lengh of his life. Would you constitute that as loving parents or child abuse?

by eddie Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:58 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

correct it is your call what you eat, but if you refuse to accept then you lose any right to demand halal food

That logic makes no sense.

But I will say that under exceptional circumstances where there truly is no choice, you can break the halal rules for food, inc. eating pork.

It seems they would rather wait than accept these circumstances are exceptional that they must break dietary rules. I think they should be commended for that.

All well and good for an individual to decide, but where there is children involved, that to me is appalling. We have here people going off a belief, denying food to their children. That is being irrational, where that belief is more important than the well being of their own children.
What makes it worse is this belief allows them to eat non-halal food and this is most definitely an exceptional circumstance. If an individual wants to starve themselves based off a belief, that is their own choosing. They have no right to deny a child based off a belief, because again they are imposing that belief. Do you understand all the complications that can occur from not eating of which worsens the longer someone does not eat?
Again and people ask me why I do not respect religions.
Its a no brainier.

Well said. I agree totally.

Not being disrespectful, but do Muslims honestly believe that Allah would condemn anyone for eating a piece of meat that hasn't been prayed over / killed a certain way?

I'm sure any God, would rather not see people die, surely?

by veya_victaous Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:07 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

I don't have a problem with fear and using conditional love though

The way I see it is if you do good you have a great eternal life. I don't see the problem with having a goal as such. As an Atheist I know you will find that constraining.

But there you go, its conditonal, you are not being allowed really to chose. That choice is loaded with a threat. So you are not doing good out of wanting to do good, but to please a deity, with the view to save you from suffering. So really the choice is not coming from you, your actions are being persuaded by the use of fear.

Its like I said, if you saw a female friend in such a conditonal marriage, where she received threats of violence. Would you think your friend is in possible danger or in a loving marriage?

You cant compare it to a marriage though

That's the point im making

The relationship is like that of a parent and child where a parent knows best.

@Didge
have you considered fear of disappointing the parent, thus fear and love are entwined.

@SM
treating religion like a parent is a mistake, it is a hallmark of indoctrination. Only that which is patently wrong would even try it.
Religion is like a marriage, it can be either the product of free choice or chosen and arranged by your parents.
Some religions are just like abusive partners. Any that lord it over, deny free will and choice are the exact same as an abusive relationship.
Most organized religions are just that.

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by Irn Bru Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:12 am

Where is the evidence that people have been denying food to their children because it isn't halal?

If that has happened then it is disgusting and should be condemned outright but I'd like to see evidence that the refugees would let their children starve when food is available.

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:01 am

eddie wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

All well and good for an individual to decide, but where there is children involved, that to me is appalling. We have here people going off a belief, denying food to their children. That is being irrational, where that belief is more important than the well being of their own children.
What makes it worse is this belief allows them to eat non-halal food and this is most definitely an exceptional circumstance. If an individual wants to starve themselves based off a belief, that is their own choosing. They have no right to deny a child based off a belief, because again they are imposing that belief. Do you understand all the complications that can occur from not eating of which worsens the longer someone does not eat?
Again and people ask me why I do not respect religions.
Its a no brainier.

Well said. I agree totally.

Not being disrespectful, but do Muslims honestly believe that Allah would condemn anyone for eating a piece of meat that hasn't been prayed over / killed a certain way?

I'm sure any God, would rather not see people die, surely?

Muslims slaughter vast amounts of people because they believe that allah commands it. if they are willing to kill for allah im sure they are willing to starve for him, ever heard of ramabomb, the Muslim month of fasting and slaughter??

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:22 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:

Well said. I agree totally.

Not being disrespectful, but do Muslims honestly believe that Allah would condemn anyone for eating a piece of meat that hasn't been prayed over / killed a certain way?

I'm sure any God, would rather not see people die, surely?

Muslims slaughter vast amounts of people because they believe that allah commands it. if they are willing to kill for allah im sure they are willing to starve for him, ever heard of ramabomb, the Muslim month of fasting and slaughter??

Not the brightest spark
Fasting is a tad different, of which is for a limited time, where again every human fasts when they go to sleep as people will go 8 to 10 hours without eating.

Doh

So this is not about where people fast for hours but end up not eating over days.

Do you understand the differnce?

by SEXY MAMA Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:32 am

veya_victaous wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

You cant compare it to a marriage though

That's the point im making

The relationship is like that of a parent and child where a parent knows best.

@Didge
have you considered fear of disappointing the parent, thus fear and love are entwined.

@SM
treating religion like a parent is a mistake, it is a hallmark of indoctrination. Only that which is patently wrong would even try it.
Religion is like a marriage, it can be either the product of free choice or chosen and arranged by your parents.
Some religions are just like abusive partners. Any that lord it over, deny free will and choice are the exact same as an abusive relationship.
Most organized religions are just that.

Didge and Veya

I disagree vehemently

A relationship with God cannot be ever compared to a marriage. In marriage both partners are equal whereas in this one, one is superior and more knowledgeable hence why i used the example of a parent and child.

by SEXY MAMA Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:34 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:

Well said. I agree totally.

Not being disrespectful, but do Muslims honestly believe that Allah would condemn anyone for eating a piece of meat that hasn't been prayed over / killed a certain way?

I'm sure any God, would rather not see people die, surely?

Muslims slaughter vast amounts of people because they believe that allah commands it. if they are willing to kill for allah im sure they are willing to starve for him, ever heard of ramabomb, the Muslim month of fasting and slaughter??

Really news to me!

by SEXY MAMA Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:37 am

Cuchulain wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Muslims slaughter vast amounts of people because they believe that allah commands it. if they are willing to kill for allah im sure they are willing to starve for him, ever heard of ramabomb, the Muslim month of fasting and slaughter??

Not the brightest spark
Fasting is a tad different, of which is for a limited time, where again every human fasts when they go to sleep as people will go 8 to 10 hours without eating.

Doh

So this is not about where people fast for hours but end up not eating over days.

Do you understand the differnce?

He obviously doesnt!

A simple fact for a simple mind

If Muslims were comanded to kill non Muslims there wouldnt be non Muslims around! 1.2 billion of us would be doing just that!

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:45 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Not the brightest spark
Fasting is a tad different, of which is for a limited time, where again every human fasts when they go to sleep as people will go 8 to 10 hours without eating.

Doh

So this is not about where people fast for hours but end up not eating over days.

Do you understand the differnce?

He obviously doesnt!

A simple fact for a simple mind

If Muslims were comanded to kill non Muslims there wouldnt be non Muslims around! 1.2 billion of us would be doing just that!

Hi Sexy

I agree that many Muslims do not believe they should kill Non-Muslims, the problem is that there are some that do. Where extremist groups like the Taliban, Boko Haram, Al-Qaeda and ISIS certainly do. They all follow the doctrine of Wahhabism, which is the telling point. This doctrine needs to challenged more so by the rest of the Muslim world. So there clearly is a big problem with this doctrine which justifies and even promotes a few to eradicate Non-Muslims and Muslims they conisder infidels.

Anyway we all fast because we need to sleep, but I do take issue with parents denying their children food because of a belief that food should be halal. Not only that this is an exceptional circumstance, which allows for times when non-halal can be eaten. So those parents denying these children food packages because of a belief are being utterly irresponsible. No child should come second to a belief.

by SEXY MAMA Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:52 am

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

He obviously doesnt!

A simple fact for a simple mind

If Muslims were comanded to kill non Muslims there wouldnt be non Muslims around! 1.2 billion of us would be doing just that!

Hi Sexy

I agree that many Muslims do not believe they should kill Non-Muslims, the problem is that there are some that do. Where extremist groups like the Taliban, Boko Haram, Al-Qaeda and ISIS certainly do. They all follow the doctrine of Wahhabism, which is the telling point. This doctrine needs to challenged more so by the rest of the Muslim world. So there clearly is a big problem with this doctrine which justifies and even promotes a few to eradicate Non-Muslims and Muslims they conisder infidels.

Anyway we all fast because we need to sleep, but I do take issue with parents denying their children food because of a belief that food should be halal. Not only that this is an exceptional circumstance, which allows for times when non-halal can be eaten. So those parents denying these children food packages because of a belief are being utterly irresponsible. No child should come second to a belief.

Thats why Allah has comanded that any food is permissable if you are starving Didge.

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:00 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Hi Sexy

I agree that many Muslims do not believe they should kill Non-Muslims, the problem is that there are some that do. Where extremist groups like the Taliban, Boko Haram, Al-Qaeda and ISIS certainly do. They all follow the doctrine of Wahhabism, which is the telling point. This doctrine needs to challenged more so by the rest of the Muslim world. So there clearly is a big problem with this doctrine which justifies and even promotes a few to eradicate Non-Muslims and Muslims they conisder infidels.

Anyway we all fast because we need to sleep, but I do take issue with parents denying their children food because of a belief that food should be halal. Not only that this is an exceptional circumstance, which allows for times when non-halal can be eaten. So those parents denying these children food packages because of a belief are being utterly irresponsible. No child should come second to a belief.

Thats why Allah has comanded that any food is permissable if you are starving Didge.

Then they are being irresponisble.
But again no beliefs people have within a faith should place children as second to them.
The reality is here they are placing the childrens needs as second, which I find appalling and this is not the only example you see in many faiths where children are placed of lesser worth than a belief in a god.
You only have to look at how many children have been disowned by their parents due to beliefs.

by eddie Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:59 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Not the brightest spark
Fasting is a tad different, of which is for a limited time, where again every human fasts when they go to sleep as people will go 8 to 10 hours without eating.

Doh

So this is not about where people fast for hours but end up not eating over days.

Do you understand the differnce?

He obviously doesnt!

A simple fact for a simple mind

If Muslims were comanded to kill non Muslims there wouldnt be non Muslims around! 1.2 billion of us would be doing just that!

Hi Sexy

I agree that many Muslims do not believe they should kill Non-Muslims, the problem is that there are some that do. Where extremist groups like the Taliban, Boko Haram, Al-Qaeda and ISIS certainly do. They all follow the doctrine of Wahhabism, which is the telling point. This doctrine needs to challenged more so by the rest of the Muslim world. So there clearly is a big problem with this doctrine which justifies and even promotes a few to eradicate Non-Muslims and Muslims they conisder infidels.

Anyway we all fast because we need to sleep, but I do take issue with parents denying their children food because of a belief that food should be halal. Not only that this is an exceptional circumstance, which allows for times when non-halal can be eaten. So those parents denying these children food packages because of a belief are being utterly irresponsible. No child should come second to a belief.

Agree 100%

by eddie Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:02 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

You are saying a child has to fear their parents?
Nope, the relationship is love.

Its of Love and fear Didge.

You fear them and you love them its possible to feel both emotions. I did with my father I loved him more than anything and feared his reaction if I did something wrong. He has never laid a hand on me but the fear was there none the less.

My parents used fear and violence because this was all they knew, and it was wrong, as we did live in fear, it made me loathe and dispise them and not love them, to the point when I moved out I did not speak to them for a few years.
Fear is good at pointing out dangerous things to warn children from harm, but a parent that who uses fear with physical is never good. Where a child is warned of fire, now the parent is also seen as dangereous, which is not a good teaching method.

A child should be growing up in a caring, loving environment.

Agreed (again)

Children growing up "fearing their parents"??? What???

I think SM may be confusing "fear" with "respect"

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:37 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

Muslims slaughter vast amounts of people because they believe that allah commands it. if they are willing to kill for allah im sure they are willing to starve for him, ever heard of ramabomb, the Muslim month of fasting and slaughter??

Really news to me!

Everything about Islam is news to you

I remember when you were surprised to learn that the punishment for adultery was 100 lashes

You're not the best Muslim around after all

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:39 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Really news to me!

Everything about Islam is news to you

I remember when you were surprised to learn that the punishment for adultery was 100 lashes

You're not the best Muslim around after all

Wow what a poor deflection

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:41 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Not the brightest spark
Fasting is a tad different, of which is for a limited time, where again every human fasts when they go to sleep as people will go 8 to 10 hours without eating.

Doh

So this is not about where people fast for hours but end up not eating over days.

Do you understand the differnce?

He obviously doesnt!

A simple fact for a simple mind

If Muslims were comanded to kill non Muslims there wouldnt be non Muslims around! 1.2 billion of us would be doing just that!

Generalise much??

Do all Muslims refrain from drinking??

No they don't even though they are supposed to, do all Muslims engage in slaughter?

No, even though they are supposed to. You should treat Muslims as individuals and not paint them all with the same brush mama

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:42 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

He obviously doesnt!

A simple fact for a simple mind

If Muslims were comanded to kill non Muslims there wouldnt be non Muslims around! 1.2 billion of us would be doing just that!

Generalise much??

Do all Muslims refrain from drinking??

No they don't even though they are supposed to, do all Muslims engage in slaughter?

No, even though they are supposed to. You should treat Muslims as individuals and not paint them all with the same brush mama

Illogical absurdity at its best.

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:47 pm

So if a Muslim ends up drinking they have committed a sin, as it is a sin to drink alcohol.
Is it a sin if Muslims do not murder Non-Muslims.
The answer is no, hence why the Dutchman ends up making a very absurd illogical argument. If Muslims werte meant to kill all Non-Muslims, they would have no need to have any commands on having Non_Muslims live with them.
So is it a requirement for Muslims to murder Non_Muslims?
No

by eddie Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:33 pm

No offence but I find most religious people pick and choose the bits they like.
Loads of Muslims wear make-up and they're not supposed to. I remember a group of Muslims getting into an argument in college about this....and none of them would back down.

I thought that they covered their heads so as not to sure their hair as sexual - therefore, makeup was a no-no also?

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:44 pm

eddie wrote:No offence but I find most religious people pick and choose the bits they like.
Loads of Muslims wear make-up and they're not supposed to. I remember a group of Muslims getting into an argument in college about this....and none of them would back down.

I thought that they covered their heads so as not to sure their hair as sexual - therefore, makeup was a no-no also?

Its the same in all religions, just look at Christianity, there are over 40,000 with different rules and beliefs.
Look at Prodestants and Catholics, divorce is accepted in one and in the other its a taboo.

I get your point and agree though on makeup, if they are wearing a headscarf, but the reality is religious people do pick and choose hence why there is so many denominations within faiths.

Its why to me religions are nothing more than nonsense.
I have never understood why in religion humans are seen to be created beautiful and then to have a view to shame them over this beauty. Its just so silly.

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:46 pm

Irn Bru wrote:Where is the evidence that people have been denying food to their children because it isn't halal?

If that has happened then it is disgusting and should be condemned outright but I'd like to see evidence that the refugees would let their children starve when food is available.

The food packages were handed to moslems who also had children with them and the packages were refused with chanting and hatred because the food wasn't halal and the boxes had the red cross on it .

by eddie Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:50 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
eddie wrote:No offence but I find most religious people pick and choose the bits they like.
Loads of Muslims wear make-up and they're not supposed to. I remember a group of Muslims getting into an argument in college about this....and none of them would back down.

I thought that they covered their heads so as not to sure their hair as sexual - therefore, makeup was a no-no also?

Its the same in all religions, just look at Christianity, there are over 40,000 with different rules and beliefs.
Look at Prodestants and Catholics, divorce is accepted in one and in the other its a taboo.

I get your point and agree though on makeup, if they are wearing a headscarf, but the reality is religious people do pick and choose hence why there is so many denominations within faiths.

Its why to me religions are nothing more than nonsense.
I have never understood why in religion humans are seen to be created beautiful and then to have a view to shame them over this beauty. Its just so silly.

Yes this is what I think. I know it's all religions that do this too.
If you're going to pick and choose its not really fulfilling your religious rites of passage, is it?

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:59 pm

eddie wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Its the same in all religions, just look at Christianity, there are over 40,000 with different rules and beliefs.
Look at Prodestants and Catholics, divorce is accepted in one and in the other its a taboo.

I get your point and agree though on makeup, if they are wearing a headscarf, but the reality is religious people do pick and choose hence why there is so many denominations within faiths.

Its why to me religions are nothing more than nonsense.
I have never understood why in religion humans are seen to be created beautiful and then to have a view to shame them over this beauty. Its just so silly.

Yes this is what I think. I know it's all religions that do this too.
If you're going to pick and choose its not really fulfilling your religious rites of passage, is it?

The thing is who can really say what is the right way of a religion when lets face it, the books and works found within leave much to be desired when they are collatted far later after some of these so called events have transpired. I mean look at the bible, there is far more works written about Jesus that have been omitted from the bible that have been included and this was decided by men centuries are the events. Islam has the same problem with the origins of the Quran and then with the hadiths which again are not in written form until centuries after the events. So its no wonder there are differening views on many religions.

by eddie Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:02 pm

And that's one of the reasons why, I could never follow a religion.

by Guest Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:14 pm

eddie wrote:And that's one of the reasons why, I could never follow a religion.

If more people had the kind of beleif you have instead of religious dogmas. Where yours does not impose anything on anyone else, or has any silly commands, just a belief in the existance of a deity. We would be living in a far more stable, world today.

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