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Cuchulain wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Do you even know the meaning of the word?

How is Islam a misogynistic religion when it was the very first rekigion to liberate women?

It allowed divorce 1400 years ago? Before it was even allowed in the west in 1900s

It elevates a mothers status and makes it 3 times higher than a fathers!

Go and learn facts before you use that word again

Well lets look at this.

Yes lets just........

Women are treated as second to men.

Says who?????

Women can be beaten if they do not obey their husbands

Lol the interpretation is very misleading on that ONE VERSE one shoukd read it in context.

One verse in the whole quran which makes you wonder doesnt it?
Women have to have sex even if they do not want to


Dont be silly!!!!!

Yes lets have some facts on this and no interpretations please

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Well lets look at this.

Yes lets just........

Women are treated as second to men.

Says who?????

Women can be beaten if they do not obey their husbands

Lol the interpretation is very misleading on that ONE VERSE one shoukd read it in context.

One verse in the whole quran which makes you wonder doesnt it?
Women have to have sex even if they do not want to


Dont be silly!!!!!

Yes lets have some facts on this and no interpretations please

Seriously Didge is this you or am i conversing with Smelly?

Cuchulain wrote:Er i think you will also find divorce was around way before islam.
The first group of women who held the best rights in society were the Celtic women and the women of Ancient Sparta by the way, so islam has no status to lay claim to womens rights.
Women do not have equality under islam

Cuchulain wrote:Er i think you will also find divorce was around way before islam.
The first group of women who held the best rights in society were the Celtic women and the women of Ancient Sparta by the way, so islam has no status to lay claim to womens rights.
Women do not have equality under islam

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Er i think you will also find divorce was around way before islam.
The first group of women who held the best rights in society were the Celtic women and the women of Ancient Sparta by the way, so islam has no status to lay claim to womens rights.
Women do not have equality under islam

They have a higher status in Islam actually

Says a Muslim woman!!!!!!!!!

Anyway im off catch u later

SEXY MAMA wrote:Ffs didge whats the matter with you?

For staters they get inherentence

TWICE!!!!!!!

One from husband the other from father!

Cuchulain wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:Ffs didge whats the matter with you?

For staters they get inherentence

TWICE!!!!!!!

One from husband the other from father!

They do not get as much as men.
Do you understand what equality means?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

They do not get as much as men.
Do you understand what equality means?

Lol!

Do the math Didge.

They inherit twice - once from their father and then from their husband.

Your ignorance is astounding. Perhaps with Smelly back, you can reflect your posts against his.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Lol!

Do the math Didge.

They inherit twice - once from their father and then from their husband.

Your ignorance is astounding. Perhaps with Smelly back, you can reflect your posts against his.

Hilarious and when they inherit from their husband is it equal to their sons?

Take your time

You stupidity knows no limits it seems.

Also why are women allowed to be beaten?

Why is it that we see in countless Muslim countries based on islam women have little rights?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Hilarious and when they inherit from their husband is it equal to their sons?

Take your time

You stupidity knows no limits it seems.

Also why are women allowed to be beaten?

Why is it that we see in countless Muslim countries based on islam women have little rights?

Your post just demonstrates how uncultured and untravelled you are.
More drivel

Perhaps if you actually knew some Muslims and their families, you would realise how prejudice you are.
I know many and am far more travelled than you have ever been or will be

If women are "allowed" to be beaten (and I proved you wrong just a few weeks ago) - then it would happen in every Muslim family. How ignorant are you?
It happens in many Muslim families, are you denying this? You gave an interpretation which many show it is okay. Just because some Muslim men do not beat their wives does not mean it is not commanded.

Women inherit everything from their husband and it is up to the sons to make sure their mother is looked after.
As seen women on inheritance get less than men

Countries like Saudi Arabia base many laws on their Arab culture and has little to do with the Quran. If you were slightly more travelled and educated, you would know this. But you're a bigot with a closed mind, smelly.

Cuchulain wrote:4:11 Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance, and if there be one (only) then the half. And to each of his parents a sixth of the inheritance, if he have a son; and if he have no son and his parents are his heirs, then to his mother appertaineth the third; and if he have brethren, then to his mother appertaineth the sixth, after any legacy he may have bequeathed, or debt (hath been paid). Your parents and your children: Ye know not which of them is nearer unto you in usefulness. It is an injunction from Allah. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.



That is not equal rights.

1. Virgins await those who enter paradise. 2:25
   
   
2. It's OK to have sex with your wives during Ramadan (at least after sunset). In fact you must "hold intercourse with them." All of them. It is your sacred Muslim duty. 2:187
   
   
3. Next Allah gets down to the really important things in life. Things we all wonder about from time to time. Like should I marry a few idolatresses? Is an Islamic concubine better than a really hot Christian woman? Should I refuse to give my daughter to a Jewish man until he becomes a Muslim? And who should I invite to the Fire anyway? 2:221
   
   
4. Menstruation is a filthy disease. All good Muslim men should stay the hell away from menstruating women And for God sakes, don't have sex with them while they're menstruating. It creeps Allah out just to think of it. 2:222a
   
   
5. But don't worry guys. After they clean up you can have sex with them whenever you want. Allah loves clean men as much as he hates menstruating women. 2:222b
   
   
6. In the mind of Allah, women are like a dirty field for men to plow with their penises. Plow them whenever you like (as long as they're not menstruating, of course.) 2:223
   
   
7. Still, if a man doesn't want to have sex with his wives, Allah is OK with that, too. Wait four months, then if they change their minds, go ahead and have sex with them. 2:226
   
   
8. Women may not have sex for three months after getting a divorce. If they skip one of their filthy periods, they must not hide it. In such a case, Allah suggests that their ex-husbands take their pregnant wives back. 2:228a
   
   
9. Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are "a degree above them." 2:228b
   
   
10. If you divorce your wife, you must divorce her twice. And she can ransom herself, whatever that might mean. 2:229
    
    
11. But if you divorce your wife for the third time, you can't have her again until she marries another guy. Then if the other guy divorces her, it's OK for you to have sex with your four-times divorced wife. What the hell. These are the limits of Allah. 2:230
    
    
12. After your divorced wives have reached the end of their 3 month waiting period, you can take them or leave them. Just don't make Allah a laughing-stock. 2:231
    
    
13. If you decide to go ahead with the divorce, let your ex-wives get married again. It's cleaner that way. Allah knows; you don't. 2:232
    
    
14. When a man dies, his wives can't have sex for four months and ten days. After that, if they're not pregnant, it's no sin for the dead man if his wives have sex again. 2:234
    
    
15. A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282
    
    
16. It's OK to have two, three, or four wives, slave or free. 4:3
    
    
17. Males are to inherit twice that of females. 4:11
    
    
18. Lewd women are to be confined to their houses until death. 4:15
    
    
19. If any of your women get lewd, cut off their inheritance. 4:19
    
    
20. Instructions for exchanging wives 4:20
    
    
21. Don't marry women that are already married -- unless they're slaves that you obtained in war. Then it's OK. 4:24
    
    
22. If you can't afford to marry free Muslims women, go ahead and marry slaves, as long as they're Muslims. 4:25a
    
    
23. f your slave wives are guilty of lewdness, punish them half as much as you punish your lewd free wives. 4:25c
    
    
24. Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Women must obey men, and if they refuse they must be punished. Refuse to have sex with them and beat them into submission (Islam). 4:34
    
    
25. Don't pray if you are drunk, dirty, or have touched a woman lately. 4:43
    
    
26. Vigins await those who enter paradise. 4:57
    
    
27. They invoke in his (Allah's) stead only females. 4:117
    
    
28. Don't bother trying to treat your wives fairly. It's impossible. 4:129
    
    
29. "Unto the male is the equivalent share of two females." 4:176
    
    
30. When it's time to pray and you have just used the toilet or touched a woman, be sure to wash up. If you can't find any water, just rub some dirt on yourself. 5:6
    
    
31. Men and women are enemies! (Or is it humans and Iblis? Sometimes Allah isn't all that clear about these things.) 7:24
    
    
32. If your ... your wives ... are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger ... then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass." 9:24
    
    
33. Lot offers his daughters to a mob of angel rapers. 11:78
    
    
34. "The guile of you women ... is very great." 12:28
    
    
35. Lot offers his daughters to a mob of angel rapers. 15:71
    
    
36. "Every nursing mother will forget her nursling and every pregnant one will be delivered of her burden and thou (Muhammad) wilt see mankind as drunken, yet they will not be drunken, but the Doom of Allah will be strong (upon them)."
    When the doom of Allah comes, pregnant women will suffer miscarriages, and men will act like they are drunk. 22:2
    
    
37. You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls "that your right hand possess." 23:6
    
    
38. If you accuse an honorable women of adultery, be sure to bring four witness. Otherwise you will receive 80 lashes. 24:4
    
    
39. A husband can accuse his wife of adultery with only one witness (himself). But he has to swear five times (so he can count as four or more separate witnesses in accordance with 24.4). 24:6
    
    
40. Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 24:31
    
    
41. "And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom."
    Well, I guess this is about as good as it gets in the Quran. Allah encourages you to set your slaves free if they are good enough. And don't pimp out your slave-girls (concubines). 24:33
    
    
42. If Muhammad's wives are good, Allah will give them "an immense reward." 33:28-29
    
    
43. The wives of Muhammad will be punished double for lewdness. (And that is easy for Allah.) 33:30
    
    
44. The wives of Muhammad are not like other women. They must not leave their houses. 33:32-33
    
    
45. When Allah or Muhammad decide that a man and a woman should marry, they must marry. 33:36
    
    
46. Allah gave Zeyd to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it's OK to marry your adopted son's ex-wife. 33:37
    
    
47. Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any woman, and however many women, he wants. 33:50-51
    
    
48. If men must speak to Muhammad's wives they must speak from behind a curtain. And no one must ever marry one of his wives. 33:53
    
    
49. But it's OK for Muhammad's wives to talk with certain people. 33:55
    
    
50. Women must cover themselves when in public. 33:59
    
    
51. Those who "did wrong" will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23
    
    
52. But the single-minded slaves of Allah will enjoy a Garden filled with lovely-eyed virgins. 37:40-48
    
    
53. Female companions await those who enter the Gardens of Eden on the Day of Reckoning. 38:52
    
    
54. Allah will reward faithful Muslims after they die with "fair ones with wide, lovely eyes." 44:54
    
    
55. Allah will reward those in the Garden with beautiful wives with wide, lovely eyes. 52:20
    
    
56. The Satanic Verses 53:19-22
    
    
57. Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27
    
    
58. Allah will give those in the Garden women of modest gaze whom neither man nor jinn have touched. (Or it might be white raisins instead of modest virgins.) 55:56, 55:72-74
    
    
59. Those in the Garden will be attended by immortal youths with wide, lovely eyes. (Or it might be white raisins instead of immortal youths.) 56:17-23
    
    
60. Allah made virgins to be lovers and friends to those on his right hand. 56:36-37
    
    
61. Your wives and children are your enemies. They are to you only a temptation. 64:14-15
    
    
62. Instructions for divorcing your wives. 65:1-6
    
    
63. Allah's rules for divorcing wives that have not yet reached puberty. 65:4
    
    
64. O Prophet! Why bannest thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives?"
    Allah says it's OK for Muhammad to have sex with any of his wives whenever he wants. 66:1
    
    
65. Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 66:5
    
    
66. The wives of Noah and Lot (who were both righteous) betrayed their husbands and are now in the Fire. 66:10
    
    
67. Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30
    
    
68. You don't have to be chaste around your wives or your slave girls. 70:29-30
    
    
69. Abu Lahab will die and be plunged in flaming Fire. His wife will have on her neck a halter of palm fiber. 111:1-5
    

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:4:11 Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance, and if there be one (only) then the half. And to each of his parents a sixth of the inheritance, if he have a son; and if he have no son and his parents are his heirs, then to his mother appertaineth the third; and if he have brethren, then to his mother appertaineth the sixth, after any legacy he may have bequeathed, or debt (hath been paid). Your parents and your children: Ye know not which of them is nearer unto you in usefulness. It is an injunction from Allah. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.



That is not equal rights.

That's the first inheritance, you muppet.

Like I've said twice, women still inherit twice in their lifetime. Hence the apportionment described above.

You're not as clever as you think.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

That's the first inheritance, you muppet.

Like I've said twice, women still inherit twice in their lifetime. Hence the apportionment described above.

You're not as clever as you think.

Hilarious again, in this inheritance they get less
That is not equal rights.
Do you understand what equal rights is?

Doh

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:



Hilarious again, in this inheritance they get less
That is not equal rights.
Do you understand what equal rights is?

Doh

Women inherit twice.

Men inherit once.

Do you understand what equal rights is?

Or is your mathematically challenged mind having a hard time?

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Women inherit twice.

Men inherit once.

Do you understand what equal rights is?

Or is your mathematically challenged mind having a hard time?

Hilarious again

They might inherit twice, but again within this inheritance they do not get equal rights.

Do you understand that, seriously?

Your maths is dumb as a husband can outlive his wife can he not.

So a daughter may only stand to get less than her brothers.

She may not even get married so your reasoning is so stupid and dependent on situations

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Hilarious again

They might inherit twice, but again within this inheritance they do not get equal rights.

Do you understand that, seriously?

Your maths is dumb as a husband can outlive his wife can he not.

So a daughter may only stand to get less than her brothers.

She may not even get married so your reasoning is so stupid and dependent on situations

You're a little slow - but finally you're on the right track.

Thank you for admitting they inherit twice. Perhaps you're not that stupid. I'll take back what I said earlier. You're just slow. You just need to take a few more steps to logic.

Cuchulain wrote:2778. If a woman dies without any children, 1/2 of her property is inherited by her husband, and the remaining 1/2 is given to her other heirs. If, she has children from that or another husband, her husband will get 1/4 of the estate, and the remaining part will be inherited by her other heirs.

2779. If a man dies childless, 1/4 of his estate will go to his wife, and the remaining part will be given to his other heirs. And if the man has children from that or another wife, the wife gets 1/8th of the estate, and the remaining part will be inherited by his other heirs. A wife does not inherit anything from the land of a house or a garden or a farm, or from any other land, nor does she inherit from the proceeds of such lands. She does not also inherit from that which stands on that land, like the house and the trees, but she inherits from their proceeds. The same rule applies to the trees and crops and buildings standing on the land of a garden, and on agricultural land, or on any other lands.




So husbands inherit as well when they are sons, so bang goes the claim to equal rights


Doh

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:2778. If a woman dies without any children, 1/2 of her property is inherited by her husband, and the remaining 1/2 is given to her other heirs. If, she has children from that or another husband, her husband will get 1/4 of the estate, and the remaining part will be inherited by her other heirs.

2779. If a man dies childless, 1/4 of his estate will go to his wife, and the remaining part will be given to his other heirs. And if the man has children from that or another wife, the wife gets 1/8th of the estate, and the remaining part will be inherited by his other heirs. A wife does not inherit anything from the land of a house or a garden or a farm, or from any other land, nor does she inherit from the proceeds of such lands. She does not also inherit from that which stands on that land, like the house and the trees, but she inherits from their proceeds. The same rule applies to the trees and crops and buildings standing on the land of a garden, and on agricultural land, or on any other lands.




So husbands inherit as well when they are sons, so bang goes the claim to equal rights


Doh

Well done. You've just demonstrated you can cherry pick, just like Smelly.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Well done. You've just demonstrated you can cherry pick, just like Smelly.

No I just proved you are an idiot

As seen women get less rights than men


case closed

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

No I just proved you are an idiot

As seen women get less rights than men


case closed

The only thing closed is your mind.

You're a prejudiced bigot.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

The only thing closed is your mind.

You're a prejudiced bigot.

So being rightly critical of an appalling religion makes me a bigot?

Really, you are a bigot by default being a Muslim, so you really are on hypocritical idiot then lol

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

So being rightly critical of an appalling religion makes me a bigot?

Really, you are a bigot by default being a Muslim, so you really are on hypocritical idiot then lol

Now read again what you just said. That bit in bold.

So you think all Muslims are bigots, by default no less.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Now read again what you just said. That bit in bold.

So you think all Muslims are bigots, by default no less.

And Christians and jews, by their faith are bigoted by default.

Bigoted to women
Bigoted to homosexuals
Bigoted to non-believers

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

And Christians and jews, by their faith are bigoted by default.

Bigoted to women
Bigoted to homosexuals
Bigoted to non-believers

And clearly atheists like you too. Lol! Love the irony.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

And clearly atheists like you too. Lol! Love the irony.

Athiests have no doctrine.
Your claim to bigotry because I am critical falls flat like most of your replies lol

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Athiests have no doctrine.
Your claim to bigotry because I am critical falls flat like most of your replies lol

Where did mention doctrine? I said "atheists like you". Again, your comprehension skills are as poor as Smelly's.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Where did mention doctrine? I said "atheists like you". Again, your comprehension skills are as poor as Smelly's.

Like me
So where I am critical of a religion you claim that is bigotry.

ha ha

you thick wally

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Like me
So where I am critical of a religion you claim that is bigotry.

ha ha

you thick wally

Stating all Muslims are taught to lie by default is bigotry.

It's obvious you know zero Muslims. You're uneducated and uncultured. But then you are a self confessed chav.

Cuchulain wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:Ffs didge whats the matter with you?

For staters they get inherentence

TWICE!!!!!!!

One from husband the other from father!

They do not get as much as men.
Do you understand what equality means?

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

They do not get as much as men.
Do you understand what equality means?

They receive more Didge

One part from father the other from husband.

More than equal as I said, woman have higher status.

What you are getting confused with is culture

SEXY MAMA wrote:

They receive more Didge

One part from father the other from husband.

More than equal as I said, woman have higher status.

What you are getting confused with is culture

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They do not husbands receive from wives double what wives get from husbands


That is not equal


The same with sons and daughters


That is not equal


It has to be based om equality and Islam is not equality

Sorry

Cuchulain wrote:Can husbands inherit from their wives?

Yes

Is that double than that of wives who receive from their husbands?

Now look at sons and daughters

Men always receive more.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Can husbands inherit from their wives?

Yes

Is that double than that of wives who receive from their husbands?

Now look at sons and daughters

Men always receive more.

A little read for you to understand it fully.


Muslim mothers, wives, daughters, and sisters had received inheritance rights thirteen hundred years before Europe recognized that these rights even existed. The division of inheritance is a vast subject with an enormous amount of details (Quran 4:7,11,12,176). The general rule is that the female share is half the male's except the cases in which the mother receives equal share to that of the father. This general rule if taken in isolation from other legislations concerning men and women may seem unfair. In order to understand the rationale behind this rule, one must take into account the fact that the financial obligations of men in Islam far exceed those of women (see the "Wife's property?" section). A bridegroom must provide his bride with a marriage gift. This gift becomes her exclusive property and remains so even if she is later divorced. The bride is under no obligation to present any gifts to her groom. Moreover, the Muslim husband is charged with the maintenance of his wife and children. The wife, on the other hand, is not obliged to help him in this regard. Her property and earnings are for her use alone except what she may voluntarily offer,