Shocking images of drowned Syrian boy show tragic plight of refugees

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The full horror of the human tragedy unfolding on the shores of Europe was brought home on Wednesday as images of the lifeless body of a young boy – one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach the Greek island of Kos – encapsulated the extraordinary risks refugees are taking to reach the west.

The picture, taken on Wednesday morning, depicted the dark-haired toddler, wearing a bright-red T-shirt and shorts, washed up on a beach, lying face down in the surf not far from Turkey’s fashionable resort town of Bodrum.

A second image portrays a grim-faced policeman carrying the tiny body away. Within hours it had gone viral becoming the top trending picture on Twitter under the hashtag #KiyiyaVuranInsanlik (humanity washed ashore).

Justin Forsyth, CEO of Save the Children, said: “This tragic image of a little boy who’s lost his life fleeing Syria is shocking and is a reminder of the dangers children and families are taking in search of a better life. This child’s plight should concentrate minds and force the EU to come together and agree to a plan to tackle the refugee crisis.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/shocking-image-of-drowned-syrian-boy-shows-tragic-plight-of-refugees

Later in the article this is described as a refugee issue, not a migrant issue. I agree, heartbreaking

Tomorrow's Independent front page:

Martin McGuinness is nagging Cameron now.

Puke! Cameron shouldn't even speak to the ghastly man.

Tommy Monk wrote:Why aren't they going north by land through turkey and into Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Kazakhstan...!!!???



All three huge countries with masses of space...?

Well...!!!???




The leftie wank fest is in full effect about how it is all the Tories fault now...



Why not answer the simple question above...!!!???

Tommy Monk wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Why aren't they going north by land through turkey and into Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Kazakhstan...!!!???



All three huge countries with masses of space...?

Well...!!!???




The leftie wank fest is in full effect about how it is all the Tories fault now...



Why not answer the simple question above...!!!???

Leftie wank fest.

They hope for problems and tragedy so as to spin it into a 'Tories what done it' story...



Scum!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Why aren't they going north by land through turkey and into Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Kazakhstan...!!!???



All three huge countries with masses of space...?

Well...!!!???




The leftie wank fest is in full effect about how it is all the Tories fault now...



Why not answer the simple question above...!!!???

Maybe because its a much longer journey and they would have to cut through Russia?

Not at all... look on a map... why not all heading there...!!??



Why try to float around the huge country of turkey in a row boat instead of going TO turkey and safety!!!???


Then if they want to go elsewhere then why not north into Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and then Kazakhstan...!!!???



Huge countries with vast land and space and resources... and all SAFE!!!

Christie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



Well...!!!???




The leftie wank fest is in full effect about how it is all the Tories fault now...



Why not answer the simple question above...!!!???

Maybe because its a much longer journey and they would have to cut through Russia?

Just found some more figures:

Number of Syrian refugees taken by nation:

Turkey 1.94m
Lebanon 1.83m
Jordan 630k
Iraq 226k
Egypt 142k
Germany 105k
Sweden 42K
UK 216

Why do people keep getting into these leaky boats?

Meanwhile, the trains in Hungary don't know if they're starting or stopping. They're all trying to get to Germany of course.

When you can answer that for yourself raggs maybe you will begin to understand the challenge these refugees face. But then as you already said, you don't really care.

Eilzel wrote:When you can answer that for yourself raggs maybe you will begin to understand the challenge these refugees face. But then as you already said, you don't really care.

Whatever.

Tommy Monk wrote:Not at all... look on a map... why not all heading there...!!??



Why try to float around the huge country of turkey in a row boat instead of going TO turkey and safety!!!???


Then if they want to go elsewhere then why not north into Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and then Kazakhstan...!!!???



Huge countries with vast land and space and resources... and all SAFE!!!

You know what Tommy, if you really put your brain to use, you would know why.

They are in rafts or small boats on rough seas and have to go the shortest route if they are going to stand any chance of survival.  Many of the boats are leaking before they start and some are just inflated rafts.

You don't give a fuck if they all drown do you?  Brown skins, better they're dead, children as well.

We're going to take some more now, but from camps in Syria, not ones who are already in Europe.

sassy wrote:

Christie wrote:

Maybe because its a much longer journey and they would have to cut through Russia?

Just found some more figures:

Number of Syrian refugees taken by nation:

Turkey 1.94m
Lebanon 1.83m
Jordan 630k
Iraq 226k
Egypt 142k
Germany 105k
Sweden 42K
UK 216

Of course people will be arriving in the nearest safe countries when fleeing conflict!!!!!!!


That is my whole point!!!!!!



Once in a safe country then you are then SAFE and no longer have any legitimate reason to keep entering other countries!!!



How many have been taken in by the countries next to turkey!!!???


Turkmenistan!?

Uzbekistan!?

Kazakhstan!?


Bearing in mind that they are all directly north of turkey and all easily accessible by travelling across land!!!!



PLus... how many Syrians have arrived in the UK over the last two years but not categorized as asylum seekers...!!!???


I know it is a lot more than we are being shown by the lefties asylum seeker figures bullshit!!!

Eilzel wrote:When you can answer that for yourself raggs maybe you will begin to understand the challenge these refugees face. But then as you already said, you don't really care.

I just watched the news Les, the sheer desperation of those people broke my heart.  The human race is broken when people can see that and not care.  It's beyond me that there are people who don't understand what is happening to them or the suffering they are going through.

Tommy Monk wrote:

sassy wrote:


Just found some more figures:

Number of Syrian refugees taken by nation:

Turkey 1.94m
Lebanon 1.83m
Jordan 630k
Iraq 226k
Egypt 142k
Germany 105k
Sweden 42K
UK 216

Of course people will be arriving in the nearest safe countries when fleeing conflict!!!!!!!


That is my whole point!!!!!!



Once in a safe country then you are then SAFE and no longer have any legitimate reason to keep entering other countries!!!



How many have been taken in by the countries next to turkey!!!???


Turkmenistan!?

Uzbekistan!?

Kazakhstan!?


Bearing in mind that they are all directly north of turkey and all easily accessible by travelling across land!!!!



PLus... how many Syrians have arrived in the UK over the last two years but not categorized as asylum seekers...!!!???


I know it is a lot more than we are being shown by the lefties asylum seeker figures bullshit!!!

Loads of Syrians are already in the UK and have claimed asylum.

Tommy Monk wrote:Not at all... look on a map... why not all heading there...!!??



Why try to float around the huge country of turkey in a row boat instead of going TO turkey and safety!!!???


Then if they want to go elsewhere then why not north into Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and then Kazakhstan...!!!???



Huge countries with vast land and space and resources... and all SAFE!!!

I did look on a map actually and isn't Turkey overflowing with refugees, which is why they are moving on to other countries? With the UK only taking 216 of them at the moment, perhaps we should offer more of them a home for the foreseeable future. Wouldn't you agree?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Of course people will be arriving in the nearest safe countries when fleeing conflict!!!!!!!


That is my whole point!!!!!!



Once in a safe country then you are then SAFE and no longer have any legitimate reason to keep entering other countries!!!



How many have been taken in by the countries next to turkey!!!???


Turkmenistan!?

Uzbekistan!?

Kazakhstan!?


Bearing in mind that they are all directly north of turkey and all easily accessible by travelling across land!!!!



PLus... how many Syrians have arrived in the UK over the last two years but not categorized as asylum seekers...!!!???


I know it is a lot more than we are being shown by the lefties asylum seeker figures bullshit!!!

Loads of Syrians are already in the UK and have claimed asylum.

The Government says there have only been 267 asylum seekers from Syria, so I suggest you put up or shut up.

sassy wrote:

Christie wrote:

Maybe because its a much longer journey and they would have to cut through Russia?

Just found some more figures:

Number of Syrian refugees taken by nation:

Turkey 1.94m
Lebanon 1.83m
Jordan 630k
Iraq 226k
Egypt 142k
Germany 105k
Sweden 42K
UK 216

Thanks sassy.

Christie wrote:

sassy wrote:


Just found some more figures:

Number of Syrian refugees taken by nation:

Turkey 1.94m
Lebanon 1.83m
Jordan 630k
Iraq 226k
Egypt 142k
Germany 105k
Sweden 42K
UK 216

Thanks sassy.

All the figures are all over Twitter at the mo, so thought I'd pass it on.  No worries.

I read some where that we had taken 2600 in the last year, any one know if thats true?

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Loads of Syrians are already in the UK and have claimed asylum.

The Government says there have only been 267 asylum seekers from Syria, so I suggest you put up or shut up.

I suggest you do some reading, and then shut your mouth.

Only 200 have been taken by Britain so far under this scheme, although the government has given asylum or other forms of humanitarian protection to nearly 5,000 Syrians who have applied for asylum having reached Britain since the crisis started in early 2011.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/cameron-bows-to-pressure-to-allow-more-syrian-refugees-into-britain

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:

The Government says there have only been 267 asylum seekers from Syria, so I suggest you put up or shut up.

I suggest you do some reading, and then shut your mouth.

Only 200 have been taken by Britain so far under this scheme, although the government has given asylum or other forms of humanitarian protection to nearly 5,000 Syrians who have applied for asylum having reached Britain since the crisis started in early 2011.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/cameron-bows-to-pressure-to-allow-more-syrian-refugees-into-britain

'other forms of protection' - what might they be, and that's over 4 years.

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I suggest you do some reading, and then shut your mouth.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/cameron-bows-to-pressure-to-allow-more-syrian-refugees-into-britain

'other forms of protection' - what might they be, and that's over 4 years.

Which is why I said they were already in the UK.

So then, who's for bombing Syria? If we do bomb Syria, who should we bomb? The Government? ISIS? Other groups?

sassy wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Not at all... look on a map... why not all heading there...!!??



Why try to float around the huge country of turkey in a row boat instead of going TO turkey and safety!!!???


Then if they want to go elsewhere then why not north into Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and then Kazakhstan...!!!???



Huge countries with vast land and space and resources... and all SAFE!!!

You know what Tommy, if you really put your brain to use, you would know why.

They are in rafts or small boats on rough seas and have to go the shortest route if they are going to stand any chance of survival.  Many of the boats are leaking before they start and some are just inflated rafts.

You don't give a fuck if they all drown do you?  Brown skins, better they're dead, children as well.

Shortest route to anywhere safe is to turkey!!!


North of turkey by land is Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan!!!



All Muslim countries and who should be taking them ALL in!!!



How many in Turkmenistan!?


How many in Uzbekistan!?


How many in Kazakhstan!?




How many Syrians have arrived in UK in last two years and not counted as asylum seekers!!!???


Bloody loads!!!!!




Look at a map and stop being twats!!!

So if we do take thousands and thousands of refugees, where are they going to live?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Of course people will be arriving in the nearest safe countries when fleeing conflict!!!!!!!


That is my whole point!!!!!!



Once in a safe country then you are then SAFE and no longer have any legitimate reason to keep entering other countries!!!



How many have been taken in by the countries next to turkey!!!???


Turkmenistan!?

Uzbekistan!?

Kazakhstan!?


Bearing in mind that they are all directly north of turkey and all easily accessible by travelling across land!!!!



PLus... how many Syrians have arrived in the UK over the last two years but not categorized as asylum seekers...!!!???


I know it is a lot more than we are being shown by the lefties asylum seeker figures bullshit!!!

Loads of Syrians are already in the UK and have claimed asylum.

Loads more have also already arrived and being allowed to stay and not showing at all on asylum figures... all a load of bollocks we are being fed by the Lefties to further their agenda!!!

What's going on in Hungary? Refugees are refusing to go to camps there - not good enough for them I suppose. There are a lot of young men getting on and off trains, and the trains are not going to any other countries. The Hungarian Government doesn't want refugees, especially Muslim ones, but they don't want them to leave Hungary either.

Rags... the lefties evaporate when faced with the truth... like vampires being exposed to sunlight!!!








They don't really care about anyone dying but just see opportunity to spin into another anti Tory story...



Any answers to my earlier post repeated below....!!!???


Shortest route to anywhere safe is to turkey!!!

North of turkey by land is Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan!!!

All Muslim countries and who should be taking them ALL in!!!

How many in Turkmenistan!?

How many in Uzbekistan!?

How many in Kazakhstan!?

How many Syrians have arrived in UK in last two years and not counted as asylum seekers!!!???

Bloody loads!!!!

Look at a map and stop being twats!!!

Rags... the lefties think that what they 'want' is more important than what they 'need'... And what any of us Think or want is beneath any consideration at all...





Still no answer to why they are not heading into Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan...!!!???


Which are all north of turkey by land and Vast countries with huge resources and space!!!???

They would have to go through Iran or Georgia which was part of Russia.

Why not heading into Georgia, Armenia or then into Russia...!!!???


Or trying to cross over into Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan Or Kazakhstan...!!!???

Why would anyone from Syria try to sail round turkey if looking for a safe country to land in!!!???



Plus look at Syria... the refugees would be travelling north into turkey and then why not continue north into Georgia, Armenia and then across to Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan Or Kazakhstan!!!???



Vast countries with huge space and resources...

Because they want to get to western Europe Tommy.

Tommy Monk wrote:



Why not heading into Georgia, Armenia or then into Russia...!!!???


Or trying to cross over into Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan Or Kazakhstan...!!!???

You really are not very bright are you Tommy?
If countless thousands of these Syrian refugees are fleeing Assad, why on earth would they head to Russia or 3 nations under the influence of Russia?
Do you think you would head that way, with Russia allied to Assad with now Russian troops fighting along Assad forces?

I will allow that to just sink in, because it really shows how little of a clue you really have.

They are fleeing war and ISIS... you would have thought anywhere is better than there... and once in turkey then they are safe...


No longer a reason to justify continued travelling into other countries under the pretense of fleeing war and needing somewhere safe.


And if fleeing Syria by boat then it is unbelievable that any would avoid the huge land mass of turkey and safety...

Still not grasping this are you Tommy
Why would even those majority Syrians fleeing IS fear also fear to head towards Russia?

You really never think things through do you Tommy?

Nems wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Then report it instead of further inflaming the thread.

Fuck off

HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!! Excellent reply.

Eilzel wrote:It is horrible, the UK needs to start dong more, we are looking disgraceful now compared with other European countries.

Looking disgraceful?? The UK is doing more than the rest of Europe & risking lives to help them as well.

Another armchair expert.

Cuchulain wrote:

Eilzel wrote:It is horrible, the UK needs to start dong more, we are looking disgraceful now compared with other European countries.

Agreed Eilzel

Its appalling how bad we are in comparrison, we have let in 216 Syrians fleeing persecution.

No it isn't.Nearer 5000.

Eilzel wrote:^didge, fully agree we should have sent troops in 2 years ago when this crisus first escalated. People should be intelligent enough to see the difference between real humanitarian causes in Syria and the lies of Bush and Blair in Iraq.

^nems, sadly I think some in media and governmemt have deliberately and irreversibly poisoned the waters of the refugee and migrant debate. Though many do seem to be expressing genuine concern here.

Send in the troops eh?

I trust that you've recently joined the army then?

Looking forward to your first taste of combat in Syria are you?

Shady, what do you think about these people being in Turkey, a safe country, free to work and live there etc... seem to have plenty of money and are well fed, well dressed etc... but then trying to move into Europe and through numerous other safe countries, completely ignoring borders and EU and national laws etc heading to a country of their preferred choice... and all the while still trying to say they are 'refugees' and somehow above the law!?

Tommy Monk wrote:Shady, what do you think about these people being in Turkey, a safe country, free to work and live there etc... seem to have plenty of money and are well fed, well dressed etc... but then trying to move into Europe and through numerous other safe countries, completely ignoring borders and EU and  national laws etc heading to a country of their preferred choice... and all the while still trying to say they are 'refugees' and somehow above the law!?

I'm only part way through the thread Tommy & there is the usual over reactionary guff that I expected there would be.Me & my wife spent sometime chatting over this subject this morning & we agreed that the press & public reaction to the photographs & deaths of the children & their mother is disgustingly discriminatory to say the least.

Sure the deaths are tragic & pictures sad,but are the deaths any worse than the hundreds of homosexual guys who have been chucked off buildings,cranes & other towers in Syria?

Are the deaths somehow worse than the migrants who were trapped in a sinking vessel in transit from Libya during the summer? That's what my wife asked me & she says that over 50 women & children died together.

Can someone confirm that for me? Over 50 women & children dead in one boat & in one go?

How come the deaths & images of those children are any worse than dozens of people drowning slowly in a sinking boat?

I'm glad that I don't discriminate like that.

Tommy Monk wrote:Shady, what do you think about these people being in Turkey, a safe country, free to work and live there etc... seem to have plenty of money and are well fed, well dressed etc... but then trying to move into Europe and through numerous other safe countries, completely ignoring borders and EU and  national laws etc heading to a country of their preferred choice... and all the while still trying to say they are 'refugees' and somehow above the law!?

Tommy meant to say that the family were safe in Turkey which has an infrastructure,security,safety,jobs,schools etc.But those parents put themselves & their kids in a 20 Euro beach dinghy........And sailed into the open sea???

I take it dads being prosecuted for manslaughter? Or doesn't that offence appear in islam.

Shady wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Shady, what do you think about these people being in Turkey, a safe country, free to work and live there etc... seem to have plenty of money and are well fed, well dressed etc... but then trying to move into Europe and through numerous other safe countries, completely ignoring borders and EU and  national laws etc heading to a country of their preferred choice... and all the while still trying to say they are 'refugees' and somehow above the law!?

I'm only part way through the thread Tommy & there is the usual over reactionary guff that I expected there would be.Me & my wife spent sometime chatting over this subject this morning & we agreed that the press & public reaction to the photographs & deaths of the children & their mother is disgustingly discriminatory to say the least.

Sure the deaths are tragic & pictures sad,but are the deaths any worse than the hundreds of homosexual guys who have been chucked off buildings,cranes & other towers in Syria?

Are the deaths somehow worse than the migrants who were trapped in a sinking vessel in transit from Libya during the summer? That's what my wife asked me & she says that over 50 women & children died together.

Can someone confirm that for me? Over 50 women & children dead in one boat & in one go?

How come the deaths & images of those children are any worse than dozens of people drowning slowly in a sinking boat?

I'm glad that I don't discriminate like that.

The photo of Alyan was used as a symbol apparently - a symbol of how European policy re refugees was failing them. I'm not entirely sure why it was the fault of Europeans that Alyan's father took him on a leaky boat, or why inviting refugees to come to Europe would stop people going in boats, but hey ...

Still, I'm sure the photographer got a lot of kudos for taking that pic ...

Check out this link about the mentioned figure of 216 Syrian migrants:

https://fullfact.org/factcheck/immigration/uk_216_syrian_refugees-45984

The figure is like I said,about 5000 Syrians already allowed entry to the UK.