Shocking images of drowned Syrian boy show tragic plight of refugees

by Guest Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:25 pm

The full horror of the human tragedy unfolding on the shores of Europe was brought home on Wednesday as images of the lifeless body of a young boy – one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach the Greek island of Kos – encapsulated the extraordinary risks refugees are taking to reach the west.

The picture, taken on Wednesday morning, depicted the dark-haired toddler, wearing a bright-red T-shirt and shorts, washed up on a beach, lying face down in the surf not far from Turkey’s fashionable resort town of Bodrum.

A second image portrays a grim-faced policeman carrying the tiny body away. Within hours it had gone viral becoming the top trending picture on Twitter under the hashtag #KiyiyaVuranInsanlik (humanity washed ashore).

Justin Forsyth, CEO of Save the Children, said: “This tragic image of a little boy who’s lost his life fleeing Syria is shocking and is a reminder of the dangers children and families are taking in search of a better life. This child’s plight should concentrate minds and force the EU to come together and agree to a plan to tackle the refugee crisis.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/shocking-image-of-drowned-syrian-boy-shows-tragic-plight-of-refugees

Later in the article this is described as a refugee issue, not a migrant issue. I agree, heartbreaking Sad

by Ben Reilly Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:28 pm

I agree, they're refugees. Any of us would flee our homeland if ISIS was taking over, or at least try to ...

by Guest Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:30 pm

Saw this FTL and was stunned.
Anyone who claims notto help fails to understand the plight of these people. Its time humanity stood up and be counted. I hear many people have pledged to open their homes to many Syrian Refugees.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/02/refugees-uk-syria_n_8075990.html

by Guest Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:30 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I agree, they're refugees. Any of us would flee our homeland if ISIS was taking over, or at least try to ...

I don't know if you saw the pics Ben, I didn't post them because they are so upsetting. Poor little ones, no life Sad

by Guest Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:31 pm

Cuchulain wrote:Saw this FTL and was stunned.
Anyone who claims notto help fails to understand the plight of these people. Its time humanity stood up and be counted. I hear many people have pledged to open their homes to many Syrian Refugees.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/02/refugees-uk-syria_n_8075990.html

It is heartbreaking Didge Sad

by Andy Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:49 pm

Allakaka will be throwing a street party at those images.
Truly sickening images.

Soooo sad. Crying or Very sad

by Tommy Monk Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:30 pm

Is indeed a tragedy...

Why is op claiming Greek island when found on Turkish beach?

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:34 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Is indeed a tragedy...

Why is op claiming Greek island when found on Turkish beach?

Morning Tommy, it's because they were trying to reach the Greek island of Kos.

by Eilzel Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:42 am

It is horrible, the UK needs to start dong more, we are looking disgraceful now compared with other European countries.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:04 am

Eilzel wrote:It is horrible, the UK needs to start dong more, we are looking disgraceful now compared with other European countries.

Agreed Eilzel

Its appalling how bad we are in comparrison, we have let in 216 Syrians fleeing persecution.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:52 am

Handy Andy wrote:Allakaka will be throwing a street party at those images.
Truly sickening images.

Soooo sad.

Whats sad is you using the death of a baby
to further your obsession with Allakaka
He doesn't even post here
You have no shame.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:55 am

Nems wrote:
Handy Andy wrote:Allakaka will be throwing a street party at those images.
Truly sickening images.

Soooo sad.

Whats sad is you using the death of a baby
to further your obsession with Allakaka
He doesn't even post here
You have no shame.

Then report it instead of further inflaming the thread.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:12 am

Cuchulain wrote:
Nems wrote:

Whats sad is you using the death of a baby
to further your obsession with Allakaka
He doesn't even post here
You have no shame.

Then report it instead of further inflaming the thread.

Fuck off

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:23 am

Nems wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Then report it instead of further inflaming the thread.

Fuck off

Which just proves you were just trying to stir.
Also Allakaka may very well be on here under another name anyway, being as new names have joined.
You basically wanted to stir which is evident, next time use the report facility and then you will not end up looking an idiot.

by Eilzel Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:41 am

Germany are really leading the way here. Taking both a proportional and actual greater number of refugees than any other country. While Cameron says no more, Merkel says no one will be turned away; while we react with animosity, Germany offers everything they can to help. This makes me ashamed to be British. Germany has become the humanitarian hero of Europe while we are becoming a cold callous island fortress.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:42 am

Cuchulain wrote:
Nems wrote:

Fuck off

Which just proves you were just trying to stir.
Also Allakaka may very well be on here under another name anyway, being as new names have joined.
You basically wanted to stir which is evident, next time use the report facility and then you will not end up looking an idiot.

Cant you change the record you boring little non entity?
Im done with you fuckwit.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:46 am

Eilzel wrote:Germany are really leading the way here. Taking both a proportional and actual greater number of refugees than any other country. While Cameron says no more, Merkel says no one will be turned away; while we react with animosity, Germany offers everything they can to help. This makes me ashamed to be British. Germany has become the humanitarian hero of Europe while we are becoming a cold callous island fortress.

As much as I am a Tory, its pandering to those moaning about immigration, which is not thinking about the humanity issue at all Eilzel.
Its like I say pandering to the moaners who are that selfish to deny helping people who are desperate to help.
The fact is the world are being idiots here. If not for Iraq, the world would have sent in forces to stop this.
Afghanistan we sent special forces and air support to help the Northern Alliance which worked. We then allowed the Taliban the initiative again when the Iraq war started, which never should have happened. Yes an Arab Spring would have for sure happened there and no doubt more lives lost, but the world is now to afraid to act because of the rise of extremists there.
Even Russia is now know to have forces on the ground fighting with and for Assad.
Its a combination of pandering to Putin who is holding the world to ransom and a fear of Muslim sensitivities in not doing more in Syria itself.

There is no argument where we should not help here and Cameron is playing a very poor image game here which will backfore on him.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:47 am

Nems wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Which just proves you were just trying to stir.
Also Allakaka may very well be on here under another name anyway, being as new names have joined.
You basically wanted to stir which is evident, next time use the report facility and then you will not end up looking an idiot.

Cant you change the record you boring little non entity?
Im done with you fuckwit.

Really is that why you keep replying.
You have not the intellect to join most debates but instead cause trouble.
Now unless you have anything to add to the debate instead of defending scum like Allakaka who would cheer at children like this dying, I suggest you shut that fat gob of your up for a change.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:47 am

Eilzel wrote:Germany are really leading the way here. Taking both a proportional and actual greater number of refugees than any other country. While Cameron says no more, Merkel says no one will be turned away; while we react with animosity, Germany offers everything they can to help. This makes me ashamed to be British. Germany has become the humanitarian hero of Europe while we are becoming a cold callous island fortress.

Cameron must be cursing that interview yesterday in the light of that poor little baby being washed ashore. What ever the rights and wrongs of immigration and migration, we cant stand by anymore, we cant continue to ignore the numbers dying in an attempt to get to the west. What we do I have no idea. We have done so much harm in that region already. But something has to change and fast.

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:06 am

Who is Allakaka?

by Eilzel Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:09 am

^didge, fully agree we should have sent troops in 2 years ago when this crisus first escalated. People should be intelligent enough to see the difference between real humanitarian causes in Syria and the lies of Bush and Blair in Iraq.

^nems, sadly I think some in media and governmemt have deliberately and irreversibly poisoned the waters of the refugee and migrant debate. Though many do seem to be expressing genuine concern here.

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:24 am

Eilzel wrote:^didge, fully agree we should have sent troops in 2 years ago when this crisus first escalated. People should be intelligent enough to see the difference between real humanitarian causes in Syria and the lies of Bush and Blair in Iraq.

^nems, sadly I think some in media and governmemt have deliberately and irreversibly poisoned the waters of the refugee and migrant debate. Though many do seem to be expressing genuine concern here.

And if troops had gone in, the complaints about civilian casualities would have started, and people would have said we should have stayed out of it.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:26 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Eilzel wrote:^didge, fully agree we should have sent troops in 2 years ago when this crisus first escalated. People should be intelligent enough to see the difference between real humanitarian causes in Syria and the lies of Bush and Blair in Iraq.

^nems, sadly I think some in media and governmemt have deliberately and irreversibly poisoned the waters of the refugee and migrant debate. Though many do seem to be expressing genuine concern here.

And if troops had gone in, the complaints about civilian casualities would have started, and people would have said we should have stayed out of it.

Would they have though without the Iraq war?
Its that daft war that has prevented any help of troops being placed on the ground and also Putin stamping his feet, which we should have shown we are not afraid of his rhetoric.
The fact is it has now got to the point where millions have been displaced and thousands murdered and perseucted.
Countless girls have been made into slaves and their lives are basically slaves.

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:29 am

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

And if troops had gone in, the complaints about civilian casualities would have started, and people would have said we should have stayed out of it.

Would they have though without the Iraq war?
Its that daft war that has prevented any help of troops being placed on the ground and also Putin stamping his feet, which we should have shown we are not afraid of his rhetoric.
The fact is it has now got to the point where millions have been displaced and thousands murdered and perseucted.
Countless girls have been made into slaves and their lives are basically slaves.

Yes the would, even without the Iraq invasion. The result would be the same - a power vacuum in Syria with the usual suspects trying to take over. The only way for that not to happen would be to obliterate the entire country, and that's not going to happen. That's what it's like in those countries. The "Arab Spring", which everyone thought was so marvellous, just created a whole new set of problems.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:30 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Who is Allakaka?

He is a poster on in a flap

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:33 am

Nems wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Who is Allakaka?

He is a poster on in a flap

Nothing to do with this place then. I don't know why Andy dragged him into it.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:35 am

Eilzel wrote:^didge, fully agree we should have sent troops in 2 years ago when this crisus first escalated. People should be intelligent enough to see the difference between real humanitarian causes in Syria and the lies of Bush and Blair in Iraq.

^nems, sadly I think some in media and governmemt have deliberately and irreversibly poisoned the waters of the refugee and migrant debate. Though many do seem to be expressing genuine concern here.

I hope things can be put in place to ease the situation. There needs to be an international processing centre established to move people on, you cant leave them sitting in a railway station for days. What they do about all those people crowded into and onto boats I don't know Sad

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:35 am

Nems wrote:
Eilzel wrote:^didge, fully agree we should have sent troops in 2 years ago when this crisus first escalated. People should be intelligent enough to see the difference between real humanitarian causes in Syria and the lies of Bush and Blair in Iraq.

^nems, sadly I think some in media and governmemt have deliberately and irreversibly poisoned the waters of the refugee and migrant debate. Though many do seem to be expressing genuine concern here.

I hope things can be put in place to ease the situation. There needs to be an international processing centre established to move people on, you cant leave them sitting in a railway station for days. What they do about all those people crowded into and onto boats I don't know

The processing centre would need to be the size of Syria though.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:36 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Would they have though without the Iraq war?
Its that daft war that has prevented any help of troops being placed on the ground and also Putin stamping his feet, which we should have shown we are not afraid of his rhetoric.
The fact is it has now got to the point where millions have been displaced and thousands murdered and perseucted.
Countless girls have been made into slaves and their lives are basically slaves.

Yes the would, without the Iraq invasion. The result would be the same - a power vacuum in Syria with the usual suspects trying to take over. The only way for that not to happen would be to obliterate the entire country, and that's not going to happen. That's what it's like in those countries. The "Arab Spring", which everyone thought was so marvellous, just created a whole new set of problems.

The Arab spring did work in some countries, so your reasoning is poor, in other places it happened to soon, as many were not ready for change.
The fact is we should have stepped in and now millions would not be displaced and fleeing persecution which you seem to fail to grasp.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:36 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Nems wrote:

He is a poster on in a flap

Nothing to do with this place then. I don't know why Andy dragged him into it.

Andy only ever posts here to slag off Dean or in a flap

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:38 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Nems wrote:

I hope things can be put in place to ease the situation. There needs to be an international processing centre established to move people on, you cant leave them sitting in a railway station for days. What they do about all those people crowded into and onto boats I don't know

The processing centre would need to be the size of Syria though.

I know. Its a logistical nightmare but there has to be more that can be done. this human tidal wave doesn't look like stopping.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:39 am

Nems wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Nothing to do with this place then. I don't know why Andy dragged him into it.

Andy only ever posts here to slag off Dean or in a flap

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by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:02 am

Nems wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The processing centre would need to be the size of Syria though.

I know. Its a logistical nightmare but there has to be more that can be done. this human tidal wave doesn't look like stopping.

Perhaps they could have one in Germany - in a football stadium.

by nicko Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:09 am

Before people start slagging us off about not taking in refugees, please don't forget that 70 plus years ago this country took in thousands of refugees from Jews to poles to many other races, we took them without question,so how dare the Germans and others say it's disgusting we don't take them. By the way weren't the Germans responsible for kicking out millions from their homes?

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:18 am

nicko wrote:Before people start slagging us off about not taking in refugees, please don't forget that 70 plus years ago this country took in thousands of refugees from Jews to poles to many other races, we took them without question,so how dare the Germans and others say it's disgusting we don't take them. By the way weren't the Germans responsible for kicking out millions from their homes?

Have the Germans actually said that?

I don't hold Germans today responsible for what their fathers and grandfathers did, but they shouldn't really be pointing the finger at anyone else after what happened there.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:21 am

nicko wrote:Before people start slagging us off about not taking in refugees, please don't forget that 70 plus years ago this country took in thousands of refugees from Jews to poles to many other races, we took them without question,so how dare the Germans and others say it's disgusting we don't take them. By the way weren't the Germans responsible for kicking out millions from their homes?

That is not really an entirely accurate picture Nicko to be fair. Where in the case of many of the Poles, they came here to fight and at least one RAF squadran of Poles had the best score for planes shot down in the Battle of Britain. So they certainly played their part and where it was more in fact that Britain welcomed experinced armed personnel. As to Jews this was very restricted Nicko both here and in the US, so its not as you are making out. At least Germany is making up for past mistakes. Our position is appalling I have to say where again we have only let in 216 Syrians, which is tiny to say the least out of millions displaced.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:49 am

It amazes me that it has taken pictures of drowned children to wake people up. Over 3,500 drowned last year, many of them children, and a lot more this year. If you put your children on leaky boats you have to think that they are safer than the land you are leaving. And have the pictures brought everyone to their senses. Not a chance. Today a picture of a mother in the sea trying to stop her baby drowning was shown:

Shocking images of drowned Syrian boy show tragic plight of refugees CNlYp0lUAAA6ZLT

Shocking images of drowned Syrian boy show tragic plight of refugees CNlYp0lUAAA6ZLT

Some scummy person re-circulated it like this:

Shocking images of drowned Syrian boy show tragic plight of refugees CNlYp0nUcAEWovz

The mother and baby drowned. I hope the bastard who changed the picture gets his just desserts one way or the other.

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:51 am

So who took the photo and didn't lift a finger to save the woman and baby?

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:54 am

The trouble is that no matter how many refugees any country takes, there will always be more. Those middle eastern countries just end up in a mess all the time, so what happens next time there's another war, or another bunch of morons decides to take over? Isn't it time they sorted themselves out?

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:00 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:The trouble is that no matter how many refugees any country takes, there will always be more. Those middle eastern countries just end up in a mess all the time, so what happens next time there's another war, or another bunch of morons decides to take over? Isn't it time they sorted themselves out?

Absurd reasoning, where conflicts change all the time, where it is within the last 20 years that problems have really arisen within the Middle east of which the West has played a part in. What needs to happen is more people with access to education and the ability to form their own secular nations which are not run by distators or Theocracies. Then you might start to see some more balance in the world and a better way forward, but a defeatest view point just saying there will be more is just looking again to excuse out of helping people.

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:02 pm

You see, the lefties say - oh well the UK created the problem by interfering in the Middle East, so it now "owes" something to the people of those countries. If the UK does nothing to intervene, they still "owe" the people something because they didn't help them by bombing the baddies.

At what point does someone say - sort out your own countries. If you want to bring children into those hellholes, just be aware of what you're doing.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:06 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:You see, the lefties say - oh well the UK created the problem by interfering in the Middle East, so it now "owes" something to the people of those countries. If the UK does nothing to intervene, they still "owe" the people something because they didn't help them by bombing the baddies.

At what point does someone say - sort out your own countries. If you want to bring children into those hellholes, just be aware of what you're doing.

Well being as I am not left your poor reasoning falls apart straight away.
The Uk has played a part within the problems of that there is no doubt, one being the war with Iraq. It certainly has not created the majority of the problems but it certainly has played a part. Not only that it is the humane thing to do to help countless people fleeing persecution. The UK as a nation that claims to adhere to human rights should help and the pitiful level so far is appalling of only 216 Syrians.
At what point should the world say, "sod off Uk, you cannot function without the worlds help, if you are going to be selfish twats by not helping others"?

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:08 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:So who took the photo and didn't lift a finger to save the woman and baby?

It was taken by people trying to save her with a telephoto lens, by the time they got to her, it was too late. They saved many other thank goodness.

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:13 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So who took the photo and didn't lift a finger to save the woman and baby?

It was taken by people trying to save her with a telephoto lens, by the time they got to her, it was too late. They saved many other thank goodness.

Why were they taking a photo of her? To put in their photo album?

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:14 pm

What is the answer really? Stop having anything whatsoever to do with the Middle East, and then say what Slovakia said - that the problem was not of our making? Bomb the baddies to oblivion so everyone else can stay there, and ignore the complaints about civilians being killed?

I'm getting very tired of hearing about how we're responsible for everything and that we "owe" this or we "owe" that.

People need to make up their minds.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:15 pm

The hypocrisy of the press is blatant, seeing as we had these headlines just a few days ago still, I might add, calling them migrants not refugees:

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Shocking images of drowned Syrian boy show tragic plight of refugees CN9svz7WoAA6UD5

by Andy Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:25 pm

The point of no return has been reached and there is no answer to this crisis - certainly not one that will be resolved by politicians around a table.
They take too long and it needs sorting out today and tommorow and next week not next month and next year.
And no,I don't have a solution either.

by Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:29 pm

It's horrendous Andy and you are right, what the hell do we do. Assad bombs them, IS bombs them, the only good guys are the Kurds and now US have allowed Turkey to bomb the Kurds. Aren't the world's politicians wonderful.

by Raggamuffin Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:38 pm

sassy wrote:It's horrendous Andy and you are right, what the hell do we do. Assad bombs them, IS bombs them, the only good guys are the Kurds and now US have allowed Turkey to bomb the Kurds. Aren't the world's politicians wonderful.

The US can't tell Turkey what to do though. It all just shows that there is no solution other than for those countries themselves to sort themselves out.

by Eilzel Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:06 pm

Nicko, the war ended 70 years ago, Germany are not villains and we are no longer de facto heroes. This problem is NOW, and we are not actung, Germany are in spades.

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