Ex-Jehovah's Witness schoolgirl exposes organisation as a religion that 'destroys lives'

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 9:44 am

First topic message reminder :

A schoolgirl who left the Jehovah’s Witnesses after learning of its alleged failure to protect vulnerable women has blasted the organisation in a powerful speech to her classmates. Holding back tears, she recalled her personal experiences as a member of the church and how she was taught everyone outside the religion, including her father, would be sent to Armageddon.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/exjehovahs-witness-schoolgirl-exposes-organisation-as-a-religion-that-destroys-lives-10273064.html

by veya_victaous Wed May 27, 2015 12:38 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Islam has nothing to do with Mohammed...!!!

I've heard it all now!!!

Apparently YOU STILL HAVE NOT READ IT

The Koran has very little to do with Mohammed.. other books that are the equivalent of the star wars expanded universe do contain a lot about him, the Difference between Sunni and Shia is the other books that are part of the Hadith and the Sira..

the parallels between Abrahamism and Star wars is funny, if only Abrahamism made a prequel trilogy, which fans of the originals would probably hate which history of both franchises seems to support... then they would just have to sell the rights to the rest to Abrahamism Universe to Disney

by veya_victaous Wed May 27, 2015 2:13 am

Aussie Bible

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by Ben Reilly Wed May 27, 2015 2:36 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Christianity fits me like a glove, I love the word of God and trust in it's truths, i spread the word of God where ever and when ever I can, do you think Jesus loved and tolerated any behaviour... you are sadly mistaken, a mistake often made by those who wish to believe they will be saved regardless of knowing Jesus as their saviour or not.

You treat other people like shit, and Jesus never did that. If Jesus showed up before you right now you'd call him a dirty immigrant and kick him out of your house.
lol is this Jesus being nice and loving everyone...
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

No it is an example Of Jesus letting others know there is a required standard...

That's the whole concept behind what you say about hating the sin but loving the sinner. Jesus told these people they were wrong but he still loved them.

@Tommy -- yeah, Islam isn't a religion about Mohammed, it's supposed to be one revealed to Mohammed by an angel who was speaking for God. Like I said earlier, and which you can verify, Mohammed is only mentioned four times in the actual Quran. Here they are:

Aal Imraan 3: Did you suppose that you would enter Paradise before God has proved the men who fought for Him and endured with fortitude? You used to wish for death before you met it, and now you have seen what is it like. Muhammad is no more than an apostle: other apostles have passed away before him.

Al-Ahzaab 33: Muhammad is the father of no man among you.

Muhammad 47: As for the faithful who do good works and believe in what has beeen revealed to Muhammad – which is the Truth form their Lord – He will forgive them their sins and ennoble their state.

Al-Fatah 48: Muhammad is God’s apostle.

by Tommy Monk Wed May 27, 2015 3:56 am

Yeah... ok...

You lying fuckwit!!!

Mohammed claimed to have a hotline to god and subsequenty authority over everyone and everything... killing, robbing, raping, destroying everyone and everything who questioned this...

His gang of bandits only following for their share of the spoils of this organised brutality...

Islam is totally based on the examples, words and actions of Mohammed... why try to deny this unless you are trying to distance this reality from Mohammed himself, and then why do that?

Are you that embarrassed by the truth about Islam that You need to try to distance its origins from the originator...!?

Are you seriously trying to claim that none of it was Mohammeds doing or responsibility at all... but instead, all god's fault!?

So Are you saying that all The evils of Islam are the evil of god...!?

So Are you saying that god is evil...!?

Please run through the thought process for us...?

So far you Are claiming that Mohammed had nothing to do with Islam... although the whole thing is entirely based on Mohammed and his words and actions...

...?

I think you Are talking shit!!!

lol!

by veya_victaous Wed May 27, 2015 4:08 am

Tommy if you are going to quote hate sites that make things up so are only present on hate sites

STOP FUCKING LYING about visiting hate sites
you cannot have your 'information' from anywhere but KKK affiliated hate sites

You literally just gave the Stormfront description of Islam, which has no basis in reality. Just dumb racist saying to other dumb racist 'did you know Muslim are {make shit up}"

where do you get this Gang thing from seriously the only place i heard that is some of the Dumbest KKK copy-paste sites on the internet Razz

by Tommy Monk Wed May 27, 2015 4:46 am

Islam is nothing to do with Mohammed!!!

lol!

You also said ...Mohammed had nothing to do with war death and destruction... only to admit that he had everything to do with war, death and destruction!!!

Why lie...!?

http://www.thehopeline.com/107-what-is-lying-why-do-we-do-it/

http://www.2knowmyself.com/Why_do_people_lie_in_relationships/why_do_people_lie_all_the_time

Truth will always stand up to scrutiny!

The fact you need to lie about things shows the inherent corrupt nature of your chosen beliefs.

by Ben Reilly Wed May 27, 2015 4:54 am

@Tommy: Am I claiming God is evil ... I consistently claim there is no evidence that God exists! I mean, sure, God is evil like the Joker and Voldemort are evil ... the real question is who held the moral high ground between Bugs and Elmer Smile

As far as moral claims about God ... yeah, he's definitely evil. Especially the Abrahamic version of God:

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_evilgod.html

Finally -- the main author of the New Testament is Paul -- and that is true even if you only accept the Christian doctrine that the author of all those letters to various churches was Paul. That's still the 14 books attributed solely to him against the other 14 of the testament, spread among at least a half-dozen other writers.

So would you say that Christianity is based on Paul? -- his life, teachings, words? At least, half-based upon him? I think you'd say it wasn't about Paul but about what Paul was writing about, which was Christ and Christians.

For that matter, the Quran was probably not just a collection of what Mohammed claimed were his divine revelations. It, like the New Testament, was complied generations after Mohammed's death from various oral traditions, and likely was actually written by a number of Islam's early important figures.

by veya_victaous Wed May 27, 2015 5:06 am

No point ben.... the bloke apparently cant read.

I mean all he has to do is pick up a Koran and read it.... too lazy so he relies on KKK affiliated websites and wonders why everyone thinks he is a racist dick

by Ben Reilly Wed May 27, 2015 5:11 am

veya_victaous wrote:No point ben.... the bloke apparently cant read.

I mean all he has to do is pick up a Koran and read it.... too lazy so he relies on KKK affiliated websites and wonders why everyone thinks he is a racist dick

It's that classic fallacy of having an opinion that won't budge, so you have to change the facts to it, rather than having facts that won't budge so the opinion has to change Smile

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 5:41 am

First of all HF is clueless because Jesus clearly states the second greatest commandment by Jesus was to love one anther:

Matthew Chapter 22

36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Leviticus 19:18 - Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.

Mark 12:31 - And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

1 John 4:11 - Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

Matthew 22:39 - And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 John 3:18 - My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

It is consistently repeating throughout the bible.

Tommy Blooper is a simpleton who got a master class in theology yesterday, where he ended up contradicting himself badly over how he viewed Jesus himself on his life where he also neglected what Christians believed.
The second mistake being made is by both Veya and Ben are doing the exact same thing as Tommy Blooper. It is what Muslims believe in their doctrine that is what matters and where the problem is within Islam itself. Just as Christianity is a belief system very much centered around death and sacrifice, so is Islam with Martyrdom, which is placed as the highest honour and death that a Muslim can aspired to .

If we want to look at whether the Muslims are at odds with how they see their faith Ben is very correct that Islam and only Islam should be based on the Surah's of Allah, there was no Surah's of Muhammad, of which Hadiths very much are. I have had this debate before with Zack who got easily tied up in knots over this himself, because the Quran is meant to be complete and perfect and no book can be complete and perfect if you use other works that conflict are do not match the Quran. Hence any hadith not matching the Quran would thus be false and even the Quran warns of this:

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114

" ..... This (Quran) is not fabrticated hadith, but an authentication of what is with you, a detailed account of all things and guidance and mercy for people whop believe." 12:111

“ ….. We did not leave anything out of the book; then to their Lord they will be summoned.” 6:38

Now the Quran even warns against hadiths:

"Among the people, there is one who trades in baseless hadith to mislead from the path of God without knowledge and he does it as a mockery. For these is a humiliating punishment.” 31:6

"Such was the sunna of God for those who have passed on before. You will find that there is no substitute for the sunna of God." 33:62

"Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a clear warner." 46:9 (also in 10:15).

"And We brought down to you the scripture, truthfully, confirming what is present of the scripture, and superseding it. So rule among them in accordance with what God has brought down, and do not follow their wishes away from the truth that came to you." 5:48

The problem is because of one Surah Muslims believe they have to emulate Muhammad and this is where the problems start.

VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward [with hope and awe] to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly. 33:21

The problem stems with then stories bout the life of Muhammad in the Haidths and where they view these on a par with Surah's from the Quran, allof which many Hadiths were not written until at least 200 years after Muhammad lived making them very unreliable. The source of criminal sharia is taken from many hadiths. So the problems in Islam stem from the issue of where they are placing hadiths or Surah's of Muhammad on a par with Surah's of Allah. As seen only the Sura of Allah counts and not Muhammad, as any views of what Muhammad did in life that conflict with the teachings of the Quran would be deemed false or should be deemed false, but the reality is many are venerated as actual the law of Muhammad.

So we must not escape away from the very fact the vast majority of Muslims venerate the Hadiths, of which is where most of the problems we see in Islam exist. We must not also excuse the problematic verses also found within the Quran where it certainly does provide a reason for fighting based off transgression and with a view to Martyrdom. Where it does certainly criminalizes Adultery, apostasy etc. The reality is though many of the punishments found in Sharia are from hadiths.

So just like Christianity with what is believed the problem is again in regards to what Muslims believe, though what is taught in the bible is direct and seen as the word or divinely inspired by God. Again many Christians and Muslims do not believe in violence and are full of love (except HF of course who goes against the teachings), but you cannot ignore who the faiths are followed. This is where many of the extremists get their just cause, from hadiths and actions claimed to be done in the life of Muhammad. off dubious unreliable stories of his life. A true Muslim would not back any such claim to deeds done to the life of Muhammad if no such commands were found in the Quran.

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 11:37 am

Belatucadros wrote:First of all HF is clueless because Jesus clearly states the second greatest commandment by Jesus was to love one anther:

Matthew Chapter 22

36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Leviticus 19:18 - Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.

Mark 12:31 - And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

1 John 4:11 - Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

Matthew 22:39 - And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 John 3:18 - My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

It is consistently repeating throughout the bible.

Tommy Blooper is a simpleton who got a master class in theology yesterday, where he ended up contradicting himself badly over how he viewed Jesus himself on his life where he also neglected what Christians believed.
The second mistake being made is by both Veya and Ben are doing the exact same thing as Tommy Blooper. It is what Muslims believe in their doctrine that is what matters and where the problem is within Islam itself. Just as Christianity is a belief system very much centered around death and sacrifice, so is Islam with Martyrdom, which is placed as the highest honour and death that a Muslim can aspired to .

If we want to look at whether the Muslims are at odds with how they see their faith Ben is very correct that Islam and only Islam should be based on the Surah's of Allah, there was no Surah's of Muhammad, of which Hadiths very much are. I have had this debate before with Zack who got easily tied up in knots over this himself, because the Quran is meant to be complete and perfect and no book can be complete and perfect if you use other works that conflict are do not match the Quran. Hence any hadith not matching the Quran would thus be false and even the Quran warns of this:

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114

" ..... This (Quran) is not fabrticated hadith, but an authentication of what is with you, a detailed account of all things and guidance and mercy for people whop believe." 12:111

“ ….. We did not leave anything out of the book; then to their Lord they will be summoned.” 6:38

Now the Quran even warns against hadiths:

"Among the people, there is one who trades in baseless hadith to mislead from the path of God without knowledge and he does it as a mockery. For these is a humiliating punishment.” 31:6

"Such was the sunna of God for those who have passed on before. You will find that there is no substitute for the sunna of God." 33:62

"Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a clear warner." 46:9 (also in 10:15).

"And We brought down to you the scripture, truthfully, confirming what is present of the scripture, and superseding it. So rule among them in accordance with what God has brought down, and do not follow their wishes away from the truth that came to you." 5:48

The problem is because of one Surah Muslims believe they have to emulate Muhammad and this is where the problems start.

VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward [with hope and awe] to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly. 33:21

The problem stems with then stories bout the life of Muhammad in the Haidths and where they view these on a par with Surah's from the Quran, allof which many Hadiths were not written until at least 200 years after Muhammad lived making them very unreliable. The source of criminal sharia is taken from many hadiths. So the problems in Islam stem from the issue of where they are placing hadiths or Surah's of Muhammad on a par with Surah's of Allah. As seen only the Sura of Allah counts and not Muhammad, as any views of what Muhammad did in life that conflict with the teachings of the Quran would be deemed false or should be deemed false, but the reality is many are venerated as actual the law of Muhammad.

So we must not escape away from the very fact the vast majority of Muslims venerate the Hadiths, of which is where most of the problems we see in Islam exist. We must not also excuse the problematic verses also found within the Quran where it certainly does provide a reason for fighting based off transgression and with a view to Martyrdom. Where it does certainly criminalizes Adultery, apostasy etc. The reality is though many of the punishments found in Sharia are from hadiths.

So just like Christianity with what is believed the problem is again in regards to what Muslims believe, though what is taught in the bible is direct and seen as the word or divinely inspired by God. Again many Christians and Muslims do not believe in violence and are full of love (except HF of course who goes against the teachings), but you cannot ignore who the faiths are followed. This is where many of the extremists get their just cause, from hadiths and actions claimed to be done in the life of Muhammad. off dubious unreliable stories of his life. A true Muslim would not back any such claim to deeds done to the life of Muhammad if no such commands were found in the Quran.

first of all didge is clueless i have no idea why i said that as I am pretty sure everyone knows that...

did Jesus tolerate the teachers of the law, nope..

did Jesus turn over tables , yes he did..

so did Jesus love everyone...

the bible says who shall not see the kingdom of God, so where does this bs we have to accept everyone come from...

now the kerrangg , the problem is it keeps saying kill and there is no stop button, it always has and always will...

it condones peados.....

the top leader wrote a book on how to molest kids without upsetting alllllahhh....

we see pratically every day Muslims killing, even each other...

it is all quite clear...

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 11:40 am

veya_victaous wrote:No point ben.... the bloke apparently cant read.

I mean all he has to do is pick up a Koran and read it.... too lazy so he relies on KKK affiliated websites and wonders why everyone thinks he is a racist dick

or you could just pick up a newspaper and see killings, beheadings, murder, rape or watch the news and see the same or you could go to the source that says kill all who do not believe!!!!
see sharia hanging queers... it's all there..

that would be so much easier than even bothering with websites.. Smile

by Raggamuffin Wed May 27, 2015 11:42 am

veya_victaous wrote:No point ben.... the bloke apparently cant read.

I mean all he has to do is pick up a Koran and read it.... too lazy so he relies on KKK affiliated websites and wonders why everyone thinks he is a racist dick

Have you read it? I tried to read it once, but I gave up ...

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 11:45 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:First of all HF is clueless because Jesus clearly states the second greatest commandment by Jesus was to love one anther:

Matthew Chapter 22

36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Leviticus 19:18 - Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.

Mark 12:31 - And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

1 John 4:11 - Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

Matthew 22:39 - And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 John 3:18 - My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

It is consistently repeating throughout the bible.

Tommy Blooper is a simpleton who got a master class in theology yesterday, where he ended up contradicting himself badly over how he viewed Jesus himself on his life where he also neglected what Christians believed.
The second mistake being made is by both Veya and Ben are doing the exact same thing as Tommy Blooper. It is what Muslims believe in their doctrine that is what matters and where the problem is within Islam itself. Just as Christianity is a belief system very much centered around death and sacrifice, so is Islam with Martyrdom, which is placed as the highest honour and death that a Muslim can aspired to .

If we want to look at whether the Muslims are at odds with how they see their faith Ben is very correct that Islam and only Islam should be based on the Surah's of Allah, there was no Surah's of Muhammad, of which Hadiths very much are. I have had this debate before with Zack who got easily tied up in knots over this himself, because the Quran is meant to be complete and perfect and no book can be complete and perfect if you use other works that conflict are do not match the Quran. Hence any hadith not matching the Quran would thus be false and even the Quran warns of this:

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114

" ..... This (Quran) is not fabrticated hadith, but an authentication of what is with you, a detailed account of all things and guidance and mercy for people whop believe." 12:111

“ ….. We did not leave anything out of the book; then to their Lord they will be summoned.” 6:38

Now the Quran even warns against hadiths:

"Among the people, there is one who trades in baseless hadith to mislead from the path of God without knowledge and he does it as a mockery. For these is a humiliating punishment.” 31:6

"Such was the sunna of God for those who have passed on before. You will find that there is no substitute for the sunna of God." 33:62

"Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a clear warner." 46:9 (also in 10:15).

"And We brought down to you the scripture, truthfully, confirming what is present of the scripture, and superseding it. So rule among them in accordance with what God has brought down, and do not follow their wishes away from the truth that came to you." 5:48

The problem is because of one Surah Muslims believe they have to emulate Muhammad and this is where the problems start.

VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward [with hope and awe] to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly. 33:21

The problem stems with then stories bout the life of Muhammad in the Haidths and where they view these on a par with Surah's from the Quran, allof which many Hadiths were not written until at least 200 years after Muhammad lived making them very unreliable. The source of criminal sharia is taken from many hadiths. So the problems in Islam stem from the issue of where they are placing hadiths or Surah's of Muhammad on a par with Surah's of Allah. As seen only the Sura of Allah counts and not Muhammad, as any views of what Muhammad did in life that conflict with the teachings of the Quran would be deemed false or should be deemed false, but the reality is many are venerated as actual the law of Muhammad.

So we must not escape away from the very fact the vast majority of Muslims venerate the Hadiths, of which is where most of the problems we see in Islam exist. We must not also excuse the problematic verses also found within the Quran where it certainly does provide a reason for fighting based off transgression and with a view to Martyrdom. Where it does certainly criminalizes Adultery, apostasy etc. The reality is though many of the punishments found in Sharia are from hadiths.

So just like Christianity with what is believed the problem is again in regards to what Muslims believe, though what is taught in the bible is direct and seen as the word or divinely inspired by God. Again many Christians and Muslims do not believe in violence and are full of love (except HF of course who goes against the teachings), but you cannot ignore who the faiths are followed. This is where many of the extremists get their just cause, from hadiths and actions claimed to be done in the life of Muhammad. off dubious unreliable stories of his life. A true Muslim would not back any such claim to deeds done to the life of Muhammad if no such commands were found in the Quran.
first of all didge is clueless i have no idea why i said that as I am pretty sure everyone knows that...

did Jesus tolerate the teachers of the law, nope..

did Jesus turn over tables , yes he did..

so did Jesus love everyone...

the bible says who shall not see the kingdom of God, so where does this bs we have to accept everyone come from...

now the kerrangg , the problem is it keeps saying kill and there is no stop button, it always has and always will...

it condones peados.....

the top leader wrote a book on how to molest kids without upsetting alllllahhh....

we see pratically every day Muslims killing, even each other...

it is all quite clear...

Fallacy argument, just because jesus shows human emotions through anger at something does not mean he hated these people, only that his anger was allowed to get the better of his normal pacifist state. So it is a fallacy to claim Jesus hated based off being angry. He did not strike down any of these people or kill them and turning over tables is an act of anger of a practice not an act of hating people. Did Jesus hate teachers of the law?
No, on both counts this is where evangical radical Christians invent and interpret Bibical text.
It is very clear that to Jesus the second greatest commandment was to love thy Neighbour which proves HF that you are at odds with the teachings of Jesus and even invent lies to allow your continued bigotry of people.

1 John 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

1 John 3:18 - My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1 John 4:11 - Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

I have told you countless times that the message Jesus taught most of all was love in every aspect.

There is also no age of consent in the bible or age of consent to marry.

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 11:50 am

Belatucadros wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
first of all didge is clueless i have no idea why i said that as I am pretty sure everyone knows that...

did Jesus tolerate the teachers of the law, nope..

did Jesus turn over tables , yes he did..

so did Jesus love everyone...

the bible says who shall not see the kingdom of God, so where does this bs we have to accept everyone come from...

now the kerrangg , the problem is it keeps saying kill and there is no stop button, it always has and always will...

it condones peados.....

the top leader wrote a book on how to molest kids without upsetting alllllahhh....

we see pratically every day Muslims killing, even each other...

it is all quite clear...

Fallacy argument, just because jesus shows human emotions through anger at something does not mean he hated these people, only that his anger was allowed to get the better of his normal pacifist state. So it is a fallacy to claim Jesus hated based off being angry. He did not strike down any of these people or kill them and turning over tables is an act of anger of a practice not an act of hating people. Did Jesus hate teachers of the law?
No, on both counts this is where evangical radical Christians invent and interpret Bibical text.
It is very clear that to Jesus the second greatest commandment was to love thy Neighbour which proves HF that you are at odds with the teachings of Jesus and even invent lies to allow your continued bigotry of people.

1 John 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

1 John 3:18 - My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1 John 4:11 - Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

I have told you countless times that the message Jesus taught most of all was love in every aspect.

There is also no age of consent in the bible or age of consent to marry.

who is talking about hate, I am not, I am talking about accepting any type of behaviour, Jesus never did it, he corrected those who needed to be corrected, the bible speaks against actions and warns of their consequancies, that is love not hate, we do not correct our children because we hate them..

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 11:53 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Fallacy argument, just because jesus shows human emotions through anger at something does not mean he hated these people, only that his anger was allowed to get the better of his normal pacifist state. So it is a fallacy to claim Jesus hated based off being angry. He did not strike down any of these people or kill them and turning over tables is an act of anger of a practice not an act of hating people. Did Jesus hate teachers of the law?
No, on both counts this is where evangical radical Christians invent and interpret Bibical text.
It is very clear that to Jesus the second greatest commandment was to love thy Neighbour which proves HF that you are at odds with the teachings of Jesus and even invent lies to allow your continued bigotry of people.

1 John 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

1 John 3:18 - My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1 John 4:11 - Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

I have told you countless times that the message Jesus taught most of all was love in every aspect.

There is also no age of consent in the bible or age of consent to marry.
who is talking about hate, I am not, I am talking about accepting any type of behaviour, Jesus never did it, he corrected those who needed to be corrected, the bible speaks against actions and warns of their consequancies, that is love not hate, we do not correct our children because we hate them..

Hate is the opposite of love and you used two examples as if to show Jesus not loving people which as seen was a complete an utter fallacy.
This is why you completely have no comprehension opf the teachings of Jesus.
To say he corrected would mean he would have to be right in everything he said, which is based on your beliefs. All he did was rationalize his view points to people. So again you really are clueless to the teachings of Jesus, because you try at every turn to justify your bigotry.

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 12:52 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
who is talking about hate, I am not, I am talking about accepting any type of behaviour, Jesus never did it, he corrected those who needed to be corrected, the bible speaks against actions and warns of their consequancies, that is love not hate, we do not correct our children because we hate them..

Hate is the opposite of love and you used two examples as if to show Jesus not loving people which as seen was a complete an utter fallacy.
This is why you completely have no comprehension opf the teachings of Jesus.
To say he corrected would mean he would have to be right in everything he said, which is based on your beliefs. All he did was rationalize his view points to people. So again you really are clueless to the teachings of Jesus, because you try at every turn to justify your bigotry.

So if someone doesn't love you they automatically hate you... really !!!! talk about simplistic...
so if your child has done something you find annoying or you wouldn't want them to do it again or ever, have you gone from love to hate??

because you cling to being a gay believer you think God loves everyone if they follow or not because he loves everyone..

think again there is an eternity to be lost and gained...

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 12:58 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Hate is the opposite of love and you used two examples as if to show Jesus not loving people which as seen was a complete an utter fallacy.
This is why you completely have no comprehension opf the teachings of Jesus.
To say he corrected would mean he would have to be right in everything he said, which is based on your beliefs. All he did was rationalize his view points to people. So again you really are clueless to the teachings of Jesus, because you try at every turn to justify your bigotry.
So if someone doesn't love you they automatically hate you... really !!!! talk about simplistic...
so if your child has done something you find annoying or you wouldn't want them to do it again or ever, have you gone from love to hate??

because you cling to being a gay believer you think God loves everyone if they follow or not because he loves everyone..

think again there is an eternity to be lost and gained...

Yet again your desperation of your point being made wrong leaves you now to invent things not said. So yes your reply was simplistic.
I stated clearly that the opposite of love is hate, of which hate is something you adhere to which would have more in common with the Christian beliefs in regards to the devil. If my child has done something wrong then I would rationalize with them on the rights and wrongs.
Gay believer? What is that? Homosexuality is a relaity and found in many species, no belief is required for this.
I have no interest myself to what happens on my death, that is it. What is being debated here is the fact your beleifs are very much at odds with Jesus in regards to love, as you art every turn ignore the concept in Christianity that loving others is the second greatest commandment.
You have no justification for your bigotry to others, whether they be a Homosexual, Muslim etc, where in fact it places on a par with what Christianity teaches in regards to the devil.

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 1:17 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
So if someone doesn't love you they automatically hate you... really !!!! talk about simplistic...
so if your child has done something you find annoying or you wouldn't want them to do it again or ever, have you gone from love to hate??

because you cling to being a gay believer you think God loves everyone if they follow or not because he loves everyone..

think again there is an eternity to be lost and gained...

Yet again your desperation of your point being made wrong leaves you now to invent things not said. So yes your reply was simplistic.
I stated clearly that the opposite of love is hate, of which hate is something you adhere to which would have more in common with the Christian beliefs in regards to the devil. If my child has done something wrong then I would rationalize with them on the rights and wrongs.
Gay believer? What is that? Homosexuality is a relaity and found in many species, no belief is required for this.
I have no interest myself to what happens on my death, that is it. What is being debated here is the fact your beleifs are very much at odds with Jesus in regards to love, as you art every turn ignore the concept in Christianity that loving others is the second greatest commandment.
You have no justification for your bigotry to others, whether they be a Homosexual, Muslim etc, where in fact it places on a par with what Christianity teaches in regards to the devil.

you are mistaking your stupidity for my desperation... not unusual for you...
i saw what you stated and it was stupid, you were saying because Jesus said something ..
a gay believer, a homo who thinks it's ok to be a homo and believe in God, someone who has some how decided that because God loves everyone he will not judge according to his own laws, his love will give you every chance to repent and believe, that's love but ultimately you will be judged either by Grace as a believer or by the law if you chose not to believe..
Again yu brood of vipers do yu think that was Jesus's way of saying I love you, just because you do not like what someone does it does not mean you hate them..
I do not like what queers and mussies do, I pity them I do not hate them...
You on the other hand have made your hatred of believers quite clear, the one here shouting bigot is the one who has proven themselves time and time again to be a bigot..

just like the militant queers who cry about equality, while decrying the rights of others to say no I don't think what yu do is either normal or right and I will never say it is...

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 1:32 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Yet again your desperation of your point being made wrong leaves you now to invent things not said. So yes your reply was simplistic.
I stated clearly that the opposite of love is hate, of which hate is something you adhere to which would have more in common with the Christian beliefs in regards to the devil. If my child has done something wrong then I would rationalize with them on the rights and wrongs.
Gay believer? What is that? Homosexuality is a relaity and found in many species, no belief is required for this.
I have no interest myself to what happens on my death, that is it. What is being debated here is the fact your beleifs are very much at odds with Jesus in regards to love, as you art every turn ignore the concept in Christianity that loving others is the second greatest commandment.
You have no justification for your bigotry to others, whether they be a Homosexual, Muslim etc, where in fact it places on a par with what Christianity teaches in regards to the devil.
you are mistaking your stupidity for my desperation... not unusual for you...
Irrelevant
i saw what you stated and it was stupid, you were saying because Jesus said something ..
Irrelevant
a gay believer, a homo who thinks it's ok to be a homo and believe in God, someone who has some how decided that because God loves everyone he will not judge according to his own laws, his love will give you every chance to repent and believe, that's love but ultimately you will be judged either by Grace as a believer or by the law if you chose not to believe..
Fallacy again, are you now claiming to be God then? As you are claiming to judge as your God claims to later judge people. You are thus placing yourself on a par with your own God to judge people.
Again yu brood of vipers do yu think that was Jesus's way of saying I love you, just because you do not like what someone does it does not mean you hate them..
Brood of Vipers? Many hetrosexuals myself included view there being nothing wrong with homosexuality, even Jesus never made any such negative views on the matter. The fact is love of others is the second greatest commandment by Jesus, which at every turn you try to excuse not loving people based off an evil concept, hate.
I do not like what queers and mussies do, I pity them I do not hate them...
Nobody says you have to like what they "do", just as much as I do not have to like your hateful beliefs, but the teachings of Jesus are very clear in regards to the importance of loving others, which you clearly avoid doing
You on the other hand have made your hatred of believers quite clear, the one here shouting bigot is the one who has proven themselves time and time again to be a bigot..
I have no hate of believers, again a fallacy and a poor deflection from the facts, as again my own family are Christians but are far removed from the Christianity you follow, as they follow very much the aspect of loving others. Again what I am at odds with is bad ideas, of which you follow and adhere to

just like the militant queers who cry about equality, while decrying the rights of others to say no I don't think what yu do is either normal or right and I will never say it is...

Again you use derogatory language to describe homosexual people proving your bigotry, again trying to deflect from your inability to love thy neighbour. No matter how badly you attempt to deflect, at every turn you are ignoring this second greatest commandment stated by Jesus

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 3:42 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
you are mistaking your stupidity for my desperation... not unusual for you...
Irrelevant
i saw what you stated and it was stupid, you were saying because Jesus said something ..
Irrelevant
a gay believer, a homo who thinks it's ok to be a homo and believe in God, someone who has some how decided that because God loves everyone he will not judge according to his own laws, his love will give you every chance to repent and believe, that's love but ultimately you will be judged either by Grace as a believer or by the law if you chose not to believe..
Fallacy again, are you now claiming to be God then? As you are claiming to judge as your God claims to later judge people. You are thus placing yourself on a par with your own God to judge people.
Again yu brood of vipers do yu think that was Jesus's way of saying I love you, just because you do not like what someone does it does not mean you hate them..
Brood of Vipers? Many hetrosexuals myself included view there being nothing wrong with homosexuality, even Jesus never made any such negative views on the matter. The fact is love of others is the second greatest commandment by Jesus, which at every turn you try to excuse not loving people based off an evil concept, hate.
I do not like what queers and mussies do, I pity them I do not hate them...
Nobody says you have to like what they "do", just as much as I do not have to like your hateful beliefs, but the teachings of Jesus are very clear in regards to the importance of loving others, which you clearly avoid doing
You on the other hand have made your hatred of believers quite clear, the one here shouting bigot is the one who has proven themselves time and time again to be a bigot..
I have no hate of believers, again a fallacy and a poor deflection from the facts, as again my own family are Christians but are far removed from the Christianity you follow, as they follow very much the aspect of loving others. Again what I am at odds with is bad ideas, of which you follow and adhere to

just like the militant queers who cry about equality, while decrying the rights of others to say no I don't think what yu do is either normal or right and I will never say it is...

Again you use derogatory language to describe homosexual people proving your bigotry, again trying to deflect from your inability to love thy neighbour. No matter how badly you attempt to deflect, at every turn you are ignoring this second greatest commandment stated by Jesus

you call believers, you are a bigot by your own standards!!! Smile

loving others is fine but Jesus did not tolerate everyone so i'm not sure why you think every Christian should..

the bible lists certain groups who will not find the kingdom of God, is that loving everyone, is loving everyone letting everyone do what ever they please, if you say that is wrong is that hate.

when you say people are wrong to not accept queers as normal does that make you wrong..

when you say I am not right to believe what I believe does that make you wrong for not simply accepting what I believe as true and correct.???

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 4:05 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Again you use derogatory language to describe homosexual people proving your bigotry, again trying to deflect from your inability to love thy neighbour. No matter how badly you attempt to deflect, at every turn you are ignoring this second greatest commandment stated by Jesus
you call believers, you are a bigot by your own standards!!!

loving others is fine but Jesus did not tolerate everyone so i'm not sure why you think every Christian should..

the bible lists certain groups who will not find the kingdom of God, is that loving everyone, is loving everyone letting everyone do what ever they please, if you say that is wrong is that hate.

when you say people are wrong to not accept queers as normal does that make you wrong..

when you say I am not right to believe what I believe does that make you wrong for not simply accepting what I believe as true and correct.???

You are confusing yet again not tolerating what someone does compared to loving people, again showing again how utterly short sighted you are. Again you keep going on about heaven where it is what you do no earth as commanded to love others, being the seconde greatest commandment by Jesus. Again you use childish immature abusive lanaguge to define people of which there is actual homosexual posters on here. Which shows again your bigotry to people. Even though homosexuals are very normal in every aspect it seems you would thus castigate anyone that could be constituted as not normal. Again no where did I say you had to accpet homosexuality, that is your own choice where again you invent things not said, however I will class you as very ignorant to not do so being as there is no reason for you not to accept them. This again is miles removed from you not loving them as your Saviour states to love thy neighbour. You do not have to accept them being homosexual but there is no reason for you not to love them, which leaves you in a right pickle, where in fact it shows you are going against what Jesus taught.
You argue from ignorance, because it is a book that you take your reasoning to not class homosexuality as normal. You deny yourself the ability to look at this rationally. You are a very good example about the wrongs found within religion. Luckily the vast majority of Christians are far removed from your hateful and backward views you hold of groups of people. They are Christians that understand the command to love.

by Original Quill Wed May 27, 2015 4:34 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yeah... ok...

You lying fuckwit!!!

Ya know, I'm wondering where these assholes get off jumping all over Lone Wolf for raw posts, and then turn around with the same crap.

A shitpot of hypocrisy, eh?

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 4:38 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Yeah... ok...

You lying fuckwit!!!

Ya know, I'm wondering where these assholes get off jumping all over Lone Wolf for raw posts, and then turn around with the same crap.

A shitpot of hypocrisy, eh?

That is untrue he gets taken to task all the time Quill.
Only the other day Eddie deleted a picture that was beyond banter that he posted.

by Original Quill Wed May 27, 2015 4:52 pm

Excuse me?? Deleted? We're into censorship then.

Methinks this place is becoming obsesses with rules, but careless with standards.

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 4:57 pm

Original Quill wrote:Excuse me?? Deleted? We're into censorship then.

Methinks this place is becoming obsesses with rules, but careless with standards.

It was a pictured of a man and a boy with the words, Didge and his boyfriend, thus claiming I am a sex offender.
There is nothing wrong with banter but that is just being vile, he posted a picture of me and two old men stating again Didge and his boyfriend which was funny, I then posted one with a man and a blow up doll saying Tommy and his girlfriend. He went to far with as I said the next one.
Give over Quill you never speak out to Bee when he is a complete dick as he was to Victor and Nicko the other day making the most idiotic and underhanded claims. You have never had the decency to apologise to Nicko also for your disgutsing remarks, so be a good chap and pipe down as, seems you are bored today and just want to be an idiot also so enjoy talking to yourself.

Laters

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 4:58 pm

Anyway it proves you were talking shite Quill

Have fun having a sulk

Laters

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 5:00 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
you call believers, you are a bigot by your own standards!!!

loving others is fine but Jesus did not tolerate everyone so i'm not sure why you think every Christian should..

the bible lists certain groups who will not find the kingdom of God, is that loving everyone, is loving everyone letting everyone do what ever they please, if you say that is wrong is that hate.

when you say people are wrong to not accept queers as normal does that make you wrong..

when you say I am not right to believe what I believe does that make you wrong for not simply accepting what I believe as true and correct.???

You are confusing yet again not tolerating what someone does compared to loving people, again showing again how utterly short sighted you are. Again you keep going on about heaven where it is what you do no earth as commanded to love others, being the seconde greatest commandment by Jesus. Again you use childish immature abusive lanaguge to define people of which there is actual homosexual posters on here. Which shows again your bigotry to people. Even though homosexuals are very normal in every aspect it seems you would thus castigate anyone that could be constituted as not normal. Again no where did I say you had to accpet homosexuality, that is your own choice where again you invent things not said, however I will class you as very ignorant to not do so being as there is no reason for you not to accept them. This again is miles removed from you not loving them as your Saviour states to love thy neighbour. You do not have to accept them being homosexual but there is no reason for you not to love them, which leaves you in a right pickle, where in fact it shows you are going against what Jesus taught.
You argue from ignorance, because it is a book that you take your reasoning to not class homosexuality as normal. You deny yourself the ability to look at this rationally. You are a very good example about the wrongs found within religion. Luckily the vast majority of Christians are far removed from your hateful and backward views you hold of groups of people. They are Christians that understand the command to love.

the only important part you have to do on earth is accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour..

if there are queer posters on here that is their business not mine, do they show tolerance to believers, do you? or is it more likely you assume all believers are clearly stupid, I think posters on here know your opinion and that of the posters whose seuality causes them to be biased..
Yet strangely you think everyone should accept the habits of queers to be normal. i think the hypocrisy knows no bounds...

yell and scream for equality and equal rights and all the time step on the rights of others who don't see it the same way...

Again does jesus say everyone can just walk in to heaven, no he doesn't, is that because he doesn't love everyone, no it isn't, there is a judgement it will be a righteous judgement, you will either be judged by Grace after accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour or you will be judged according to the law.. it is a clear choice...

I noticed the militant queer who attacked the bakery worked for a site called queer space, if the word is so offensive why do they use it to describe themselves..

by Original Quill Wed May 27, 2015 5:05 pm

I have nothing to apologize to nicko for. Whatever it is, if it bears repeating consider it done.

You guys who get into these shit-flings with Bee bring it on yourselves. You play the fine art of brinksmanship, seeing how insulting you can get...then you turn around criticize bee for the same goddam thing.

Hypocrites!

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 5:42 pm

Original Quill wrote:I have nothing to apologize to nicko for. Whatever it is, if it bears repeating consider it done.

You guys who get into these shit-flings with Bee bring it on yourselves. You play the fine art of brinksmanship, seeing how insulting you can get...then you turn around criticize bee for the same goddam thing.

Hypocrites!

Again pipe down you cretin, you made some of the most appalling comments and now do not have the balls to show some decency and admit what you said was wrong.
That is pathetic, making you rather pathetic and all you want to do is start a fight here.
I would not waste my time with something so irksome

by Raggamuffin Wed May 27, 2015 5:43 pm

Original Quill wrote:I have nothing to apologize to nicko for. Whatever it is, if it bears repeating consider it done.

You guys who get into these shit-flings with Bee bring it on yourselves. You play the fine art of brinksmanship, seeing how insulting you can get...then you turn around criticize bee for the same goddam thing.

Hypocrites!

Bee/Wolfman does sometimes attack people for no apparent reason. He attacked VOD when she rejoined - called her a very nasty name.

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 5:52 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

You are confusing yet again not tolerating what someone does compared to loving people, again showing again how utterly short sighted you are. Again you keep going on about heaven where it is what you do no earth as commanded to love others, being the seconde greatest commandment by Jesus. Again you use childish immature abusive lanaguge to define people of which there is actual homosexual posters on here. Which shows again your bigotry to people. Even though homosexuals are very normal in every aspect it seems you would thus castigate anyone that could be constituted as not normal. Again no where did I say you had to accpet homosexuality, that is your own choice where again you invent things not said, however I will class you as very ignorant to not do so being as there is no reason for you not to accept them. This again is miles removed from you not loving them as your Saviour states to love thy neighbour. You do not have to accept them being homosexual but there is no reason for you not to love them, which leaves you in a right pickle, where in fact it shows you are going against what Jesus taught.
You argue from ignorance, because it is a book that you take your reasoning to not class homosexuality as normal. You deny yourself the ability to look at this rationally. You are a very good example about the wrongs found within religion. Luckily the vast majority of Christians are far removed from your hateful and backward views you hold of groups of people. They are Christians that understand the command to love.
the only important part you have to do on earth is accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour..
Your interpretation again, ignoring many fundamental things Jesus said

if there are queer posters on here that is their business not mine, do they show tolerance to believers, do you? or is it more likely you assume all believers are clearly stupid, I think posters on here know your opinion and that of the posters whose seuality causes them to be biased..
Again it is you consistently showing intolerance and abuse to groups of people with again using such immature abusive words. Again you assume wrong and have often called me gay before wrongly thinking its an insult which sums up your immaturity and mentality. I am heterosexual, but again you are that dumb it seems you think if anyone defends homosexuality they must be homosexual. You insult the very nature of Jesus's love and Christians themselves
Yet strangely you think everyone should accept the habits of queers to be normal. i think the hypocrisy knows no bounds...
Again your invention and your words not mine, its up to you what you believe, I will however castigate your ignorance on the matter or even understanding what normal is

yell and scream for equality and equal rights and all the time step on the rights of others who don't see it the same way...
Have never denied you equal rights, I rightly will pull apart your ignorant discriminating immature views

Again does jesus say everyone can just walk in to heaven, no he doesn't, is that because he doesn't love everyone, no it isn't, there is a judgement it will be a righteous judgement, you will either be judged by Grace after accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour or you will be judged according to the law.. it is a clear choice...
Again going on about heaven, when to me Jesus was a man, nothing more yet a great teacher ahead of his time. If Jesus did not love everyone, then his whole message has just been made redundant by yourself. Did he not come to forgive all sins with his sacrifice of death as claimed? At every turn I show up how ignorant you are on your own faith

I noticed the militant queer who attacked the bakery worked for a site called queer space, if the word is so offensive why do they use it to describe themselves..

This is boring now, at every turn you have just given, excuse after excuse to deny the teachings of Jesus and the second most important commandment he gave on love.
You have been exposed as nothing more than an insult to the very nature and teachings of Jesus.
Now you have become tiresome and very much an embarrassment to the Christian faith, where it is people like you that place a stain onto other Christians with your backward views.

This discussion has exhausted itself and there is no need to further continue

Have a nice day.

by Raggamuffin Wed May 27, 2015 6:21 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I think it's pretty generally accepted that Christians follow the Bible -- the whole of the New Testament and as much of the Old Testament as they can stomach. You walk into a Christian church and ask a Christian minister for a Christian bible, it's going to contain the same 66-73 books as any other of the major versions of the Bible.

If someone wants to say they only follow the Gospels, that's fine, but they should distinguish themselves from mainstream Christianity if they do. I doubt there are many Christians who believe that Revelation is any more disposable than Genesis.

Well the old and new Testaments are generally lumped together for convenience.

No Christian needs to justify themselves to you, and there's no "should" about it. If they want to follow only the Gospels, that's entirely up to them. That's where the word of Jesus is after all.

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 6:27 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:I think it's pretty generally accepted that Christians follow the Bible -- the whole of the New Testament and as much of the Old Testament as they can stomach. You walk into a Christian church and ask a Christian minister for a Christian bible, it's going to contain the same 66-73 books as any other of the major versions of the Bible.

If someone wants to say they only follow the Gospels, that's fine, but they should distinguish themselves from mainstream Christianity if they do. I doubt there are many Christians who believe that Revelation is any more disposable than Genesis.

Well the old and new Testaments are generally lumped together for convenience.

No Christian needs to justify themselves to you, and there's no "should" about it. If they want to follow only the Gospels, that's entirely up to them. That's where the word of Jesus is after all.

Convenience?
What on earth do you think Jesus followed and taught in his ministry?
Was it from the Torah by any chance?
Is he not claimed to be man made flesh of the same God as the Torah?
Not sure how you can separate them unless you claim they are separate Gods.
If you as a Christian want to only follow the Gospels only, so be it, but the vast majority of Christian denominations and Christians themselves very much follow both and see this as the word of god or divinely inspired. You cannot claim to deny Ben's points just off yourself. You would be in reality an anomaly in Christianity and as a Christian. So you are entitled to your views, just as Ben is also able to comment on what the majority of Christians and Christian denominations follow.

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 6:55 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:I think it's pretty generally accepted that Christians follow the Bible -- the whole of the New Testament and as much of the Old Testament as they can stomach. You walk into a Christian church and ask a Christian minister for a Christian bible, it's going to contain the same 66-73 books as any other of the major versions of the Bible.

If someone wants to say they only follow the Gospels, that's fine, but they should distinguish themselves from mainstream Christianity if they do. I doubt there are many Christians who believe that Revelation is any more disposable than Genesis.

Well the old and new Testaments are generally lumped together for convenience.

No Christian needs to justify themselves to you, and there's no "should" about it. If they want to follow only the Gospels, that's entirely up to them. That's where the word of Jesus is after all.

tell an orthodox Jew he is a Christian you will not get s good response, tell a messianic Jew he is a Christian it might go down a little better.
Not everyone accepts the tritnity but I believe it makes by far the most sense, if yuo expect a 100 percent agreement you have problems as people will always see differently.

the old testament tell us quite nicely waht is to come , which is Jesus, Praise God for that as we needed him to restore Grace to its rightful place...

by Raggamuffin Wed May 27, 2015 7:00 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well the old and new Testaments are generally lumped together for convenience.

No Christian needs to justify themselves to you, and there's no "should" about it. If they want to follow only the Gospels, that's entirely up to them. That's where the word of Jesus is after all.
tell an orthodox Jew he is a Christian you will not get s good response, tell a messianic Jew he is a Christian it might go down a little better.
Not everyone accepts the tritnity but I believe it makes by far the most sense, if yuo expect a 100 percent agreement you have problems as people will always see differently.

the old testament tell us quite nicely waht is to come , which is Jesus, Praise God for that as we needed him to restore Grace to its rightful place...

Indeed. Why do you think there was a need for Jesus to be born at all?

by Guest Wed May 27, 2015 7:05 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
tell an orthodox Jew he is a Christian you will not get s good response, tell a messianic Jew he is a Christian it might go down a little better.
Not everyone accepts the tritnity but I believe it makes by far the most sense, if yuo expect a 100 percent agreement you have problems as people will always see differently.

the old testament tell us quite nicely waht is to come , which is Jesus, Praise God for that as we needed him to restore Grace to its rightful place...

Indeed. Why do you think there was a need for Jesus to be born at all?

exactly the plan was there from the beginning, the alpha and the omega knew what was coming..

by Ben Reilly Wed May 27, 2015 11:14 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well the old and new Testaments are generally lumped together for convenience.

No Christian needs to justify themselves to you, and there's no "should" about it. If they want to follow only the Gospels, that's entirely up to them. That's where the word of Jesus is after all.
tell an orthodox Jew he is a Christian you will not get s good response, tell a messianic Jew he is a Christian it might go down a little better.
Not everyone accepts the tritnity but I believe it makes by far the most sense, if yuo expect a 100 percent agreement you have problems as people will always see differently.

the old testament tell us quite nicely waht is to come , which is Jesus, Praise God for that as we needed him to restore Grace to its rightful place...

Indeed. Why do you think there was a need for Jesus to be born at all?

That is a better question than you may realize Twisted Evil

by Original Quill Thu May 28, 2015 5:42 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:I have nothing to apologize to nicko for. Whatever it is, if it bears repeating consider it done.

You guys who get into these shit-flings with Bee bring it on yourselves. You play the fine art of brinksmanship, seeing how insulting you can get...then you turn around criticize bee for the same goddam thing.

Hypocrites!

Bee/Wolfman does sometimes attack people for no apparent reason. He attacked VOD when she rejoined - called her a very nasty name.

So? So the fuck does didge.

Hypocrites.

by Guest Thu May 28, 2015 5:48 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Bee/Wolfman does sometimes attack people for no apparent reason. He attacked VOD when she rejoined - called her a very nasty name.

So? So the fuck does didge.

Hypocrites.

Trying to shit stir again I see, grow the fuck up there is a good little boy.
Most people apologize if they say something very wrong, underhanded and move on. Which as seen you are incapable of. I do not deny when I have been abusive. I did not attack Dibs when she cam back again and have not called her any nasty names since she has been back, so that is a fabrication and now you are trying to excuse Bee because of things I have not said or done to her since her return. I have been abusive wrongly to people who have been to me, again that is not an excuse either
All I am seeing is you after I made you look the gutless individual you are not attempt to continue a fight.
I get daily abuse off people and just move, so what, its not a competition.

Again grow up you impertinent child and stop shit stirring.

by Original Quill Thu May 28, 2015 5:50 am

Fuck off, asshole.

by Guest Thu May 28, 2015 5:57 am

Original Quill wrote:Fuck off, asshole.

Like I said, learn some humility and grow up, I do not see Bee throwing his dummy out over this, only you.
That is all the proof people need you act like an impertinent child, trying to shit stir, for the sake of shit stirring. Plus that just contradicts you castigating Tommy, for now doing the same yourself.

by Guest Thu May 28, 2015 8:16 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Bee/Wolfman does sometimes attack people for no apparent reason. He attacked VOD when she rejoined - called her a very nasty name.

So? So the fuck does didge.

Hypocrites.

Didge never calls people horrible names , and certainly never wishes cancer on people but wolfman does .

by Guest Thu May 28, 2015 8:21 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

So? So the fuck does didge.

Hypocrites.

Didge never calls people horrible names , and certainly never wishes cancer on people but wolfman does .

I have used some horrible names Dibs sometimes before, which is never okay and is where I allow my passions to run away with me. Again there is no excuse even when I am goaded. I do apologise when I have though and try to move on. You are right though, that I never would wish any ill health on any poster, that is just wrong on every level.

To be honest I have no idea why Quill is being the way he is. I understand he is very close to Bee and normally when fights erupt Quill is good enough to step in and try to clam things down, hence why I am confused at why he is trying to stir things up. It is poor on his part and should show some humlity when something wrong is said and condemn this. I usually get on with Quill, but for some reason the last couple of days he has wanted to pick a silly fight.

Lets just all move on, life is too short and I wish no ill feelings to Quill either but wiil speak out if to me he is in the wrong.

by Guest Thu May 28, 2015 8:35 am

Belatucadros wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Didge never calls people horrible names , and certainly never wishes cancer on people but wolfman does .

I have used some horrible names Dibs sometimes before, which is never okay and is where I allow my passions to run away with me. Again there is no excuse even when I am goaded. I do apologise when I have though and try to move on. You are right though, that I never would wish any ill health on any poster, that is just wrong on every level.

To be honest I have no idea why Quill is being the way he is. I understand he is very close to Bee and normally when fights erupt Quill is good enough to step in and try to clam things down, hence why I am confused at why he is trying to stir things up. It is poor on his part and should show some humlity when something wrong is said and condemn this. I usually get on with Quill, but for some reason the last couple of days he has wanted to pick a silly fight.

Lets just all move on, life is too short and I wish no ill feelings to Quill either but wiil speak out if to me he is in the wrong.

Yes you have but not just out of the blue , you do when you're goaded which is the same for me and anyone , but wolfman fixes on certain posters and that's it he keeps on and on .

by Raggamuffin Thu May 28, 2015 8:35 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Indeed. Why do you think there was a need for Jesus to be born at all?

That is a better question than you may realize

Care to explain?

by Raggamuffin Thu May 28, 2015 8:36 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Bee/Wolfman does sometimes attack people for no apparent reason. He attacked VOD when she rejoined - called her a very nasty name.

So? So the fuck does didge.

Hypocrites.

There's no need to tell me that - I already know. Why do you think I ignore him a lot of the time.

by Raggamuffin Thu May 28, 2015 8:41 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

So? So the fuck does didge.

Hypocrites.

Didge never calls people horrible names , and certainly never wishes cancer on people but wolfman does .

I thought it was Veya who wished cancer on someone.

by Guest Thu May 28, 2015 9:20 am

Belatucadros wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Fuck off, asshole.

Like I said, learn some humility and grow up, I do not see Bee throwing his dummy out over this, only you.
That is all the proof people need you act like an impertinent child, trying to shit stir, for the sake of shit stirring. Plus that just contradicts you castigating Tommy, for now doing the same yourself.

well as a serial dummy spitter you should really know...

by Guest Thu May 28, 2015 9:54 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Belatucadros wrote:

Like I said, learn some humility and grow up, I do not see Bee throwing his dummy out over this, only you.
That is all the proof people need you act like an impertinent child, trying to shit stir, for the sake of shit stirring. Plus that just contradicts you castigating Tommy, for now doing the same yourself.
well as a serial dummy spitter you should really know...

I suggest if you are looking to start a fight on this thread and act also so immature as Quill did. Then just look in the mirror, as I am sure you will see someone matching your immaturity and angry behaviour. It will be an even match, so you can continue to abuse each other to your hearts content.

Enjoy

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