Ex-Jehovah's Witness schoolgirl exposes organisation as a religion that 'destroys lives'

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 9:44 am

A schoolgirl who left the Jehovah’s Witnesses after learning of its alleged failure to protect vulnerable women has blasted the organisation in a powerful speech to her classmates. Holding back tears, she recalled her personal experiences as a member of the church and how she was taught everyone outside the religion, including her father, would be sent to Armageddon.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/exjehovahs-witness-schoolgirl-exposes-organisation-as-a-religion-that-destroys-lives-10273064.html

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 9:50 am

i happen to have studied the Jw's and they fit very well in to what would best be described as a cult, they have lovely people as members but most of them have no idea what they have got themselves in to and by the time some do realise they are in too deep.

by Original Quill Mon May 25, 2015 4:31 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:i happen to have studied the Jw's and they fit very well in to what would best be described as a cult, they have lovely people as members but most of them have no idea what they have got themselves in to and by the time some do realise they are in too deep.

There are many in this category. As a former attorney General in the state of Arizona, I have no doubt that Mormons constitute a cult as well.

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 5:01 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:i happen to have studied the Jw's and they fit very well in to what would best be described as a cult, they have lovely people as members but most of them have no idea what they have got themselves in to and by the time some do realise they are in too deep.

Did you used to be a member HF?

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 5:18 pm

Original Quill wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:i happen to have studied the Jw's and they fit very well in to what would best be described as a cult, they have lovely people as members but most of them have no idea what they have got themselves in to and by the time some do realise they are in too deep.

There are many in this category. As a former attorney General in the state of Arizona, I have no doubt that Mormons constitute a cult as well.

i agree the mormons are the same...

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 5:18 pm

Nems wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:i happen to have studied the Jw's and they fit very well in to what would best be described as a cult, they have lovely people as members but most of them have no idea what they have got themselves in to and by the time some do realise they are in too deep.

Did you used to be a member HF?

no i had a friend who still is we have some quite heated debates...

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 5:20 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Nems wrote:

Did you used to be a member HF?
no i had a friend who still is we have some quite heated debates...

Ah right OK

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 5:35 pm

Nems wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
no i had a friend who still is we have some quite heated debates...

Ah right OK

they have some very strange ideas such as Jesus returning invisiblt to earth in 1914, they believe Jesus was the arch angel michael, they trust in works for salvation.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 25, 2015 5:50 pm

One of my ex girlfriends used to be a JW, her dad died when she was young, got hit by a motorbike while crossing the road, could have survived with treatment but blood transfusion was refused for 'religious' reasons.

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 5:58 pm

the blood transfusion refusal isn't even biblical they have twisted a scripture to fit this belief but many have died and that is so sad .

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 6:16 pm

Vicar of Dibley wrote:the blood transfusion refusal isn't even biblical they have twisted a scripture to fit this belief but many have died and that is so sad .

it is taken from a scripture in leviticus but the scripture was about sacrifices...

by Tommy Monk Mon May 25, 2015 6:30 pm

Yes it is very sad...

I don't know why it is allowed, if hunger strike prisoners can be force fed then surely hospitals can just enforce what is now basic medical care practices to save lives etc...

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 6:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes it is very sad...

I don't know why it is allowed, if hunger strike prisoners can be force fed then surely hospitals can just enforce what is now basic medical care practices to save lives etc...

I saw an old documentary about JW's where a couple's baby was dying and needed a blood transplant the parents wanted to let her have one but they were advised by the elders of the organization not to allow it , in the end the court ruled the baby should receive a blood transfusion ans she survived , the parents were shunned by the JW's and they became born again Christians and found freedon in Christ .

by Raggamuffin Mon May 25, 2015 7:16 pm

Original Quill wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:i happen to have studied the Jw's and they fit very well in to what would best be described as a cult, they have lovely people as members but most of them have no idea what they have got themselves in to and by the time some do realise they are in too deep.

There are many in this category. As a former attorney General in the state of Arizona, I have no doubt that Mormons constitute a cult as well.

Oh stop it - just stop it. Sleep

by Raggamuffin Mon May 25, 2015 7:17 pm

I know a Jehovah's Witness, and she's perfectly happy. I don't see what it has to do with anyone else.

by eddie Mon May 25, 2015 8:11 pm

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Yes it is very sad...

I don't know why it is allowed, if hunger strike prisoners can be force fed then surely hospitals can just enforce what is now basic medical care practices to save lives etc...

I saw an old documentary about JW's where a couple's baby was dying and needed a blood transplant the parents wanted to let her have one but they were advised by the elders of the organization not to allow it , in the end the court ruled the baby should receive a blood transfusion ans she survived , the parents were shunned by the JW's and they became born again Christians and found freedon in Christ .

I heard a similar story, from my midwife (who actually witnessed this event) about a young mother who was dying as she gave birth and needed a transfusion.
The elders actually came to see her and begged her to have one, saying they would "purify" her afterwards. The elders begged her, the doctors begged her, the midwives begged her and so did her husband.
She refused and died.

So it isn't a given "truth" that elders will punish people at all.

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 8:36 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

There are many in this category. As a former attorney General in the state of Arizona, I have no doubt that Mormons constitute a cult as well.

Oh stop it - just stop it.

I am sure he finds your posts as boring as anything and he has as much right to post his views without your infantile comments.

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 8:37 pm

What can I say, how many times do we see problems with religious beliefs, especially literal beliefs that are at odds with the well being and equality of people?

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 9:06 pm

well cults are very dangerous that's for sure, i wouldn't think many jw's or mormons would agree though..

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 10:17 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:well cults are very dangerous that's for sure, i wouldn't think many jw's or mormons would agree though..

Christianity and Islam are both cults, as both are death cults.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 25, 2015 10:37 pm

Not at all dodge... Jesus and Mohammed are complete opposites...

Actions speak louder than words...

The bad things done under the banner of 'Christianity' bear absolutely no resemblance to the actions/example/teachings of Jesus.

However... bad things done under the banner of 'Islam'...... all done by Mohammed and instructed in their guide book...

by Guest Mon May 25, 2015 10:44 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Not at all dodge... Jesus and Mohammed are complete opposites...
Actions speak louder than words...
The bad things done under the banner of 'Christianity' bear absolutely no resemblance to the actions/example/teachings of Jesus.
However... bad things done under the banner of 'Islam'...... all done by Mohammed and instructed in their guide book...

That shows you have no compression of what I mean by a death cult.

For a start Christianity is based on the death and resurrection of Jesus and an end of times, where only some and I add some Christians will be saved, everyone is put to the sword. So Christianity is very much based around death, more so because of the sacrifice Jesus made according to the religious text, where he is tortured and then crucified. It does not get more of a death cult than that, it is even more of a death cult than Islam. Even the eating of the Eucharist is centered around a symbolic presence of Jesus through his supposed resurrection. Many early death cults all have the same theme patterns whether it be The Egyptian God Osiris, who also resurrects. In fact literal Christians look forward to the end of times as do literal Muslims, it is the end goal, one that they wish to happen now.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 25, 2015 11:31 pm

Wrong...

Christianity is based on the LIFE of Jesus and the examples of his actions throughout his life... all being good, full of peace and love.

Islam is based on the LIFE of Mohammed and the examples of his actions throughout his life... all being evil, full of war, death and destruction.

by veya_victaous Mon May 25, 2015 11:38 pm

@TM
you really need to learn something from an actual sources instead of you hate sites.

Mohammad conquered Mecca by taking a pilgrimage to it each year and each year being denied entry so walking around the city. eventually he had so many followers the cities elder repented but he didn't attack even when he did have enough followers to take the city by force.

Jesus an Mohammad are only opposite in that Mohammad succeeded where Jesus was crucified. When the soldiers came for Jesus the dragged him to his death when the soldiers came for Mohammad he converted them and they became his personal body guards.

Your hate sites literally just make up stuff, most of the pillage and rape that is all from the old testament (same source as Christianity's craziest parts) which is also followed by Muslims.

by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 12:14 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Wrong...
Christianity is based on the LIFE of Jesus and the examples of his actions throughout his life... all being good, full of peace and love. Islam is based on the LIFE of Mohammed and the examples of his actions throughout his life... all being evil, full of war, death and destruction.

You are the only one wrong and pig shit ignorant on Theology.
Christians worship a man who it is claimed to die and then resurrect, that is a death cult. The belief is when he comes again everyone will be resurrected, basically the planet will be engulfed by the walking dead, or wel might as well call them Zombies according to Christian gibberish about raising people who are dead. That is as about as much of a death cult as you can get. You need to start reading revelations, which is about the end of days, which literal Christians have been hoping for since Jesus came, in fact they believed it was the end of times not long after his death and have been praying continually for the end of times, which is Jesus at the head of an army coming to bring death to a third of the world.
That is a death cult plain and simple and you know fuck all about theology.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 26, 2015 3:15 am

Firstly, I do not read 'hate sites'!

Secondly, all the stories of Jesus are full of peace, love, goodness, honesty, truth, he healed the sick and fed the poor.

Thirdly, all The stories of Mohammed are full of war, murder, robbery, rape, death and destruction, conquest for power and control, lies and deceit.

All of this is well documented...

Why lie...?

by veya_victaous Tue May 26, 2015 4:13 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Firstly, I do not read 'hate sites'!
So have you made up all this hate yourself???

Secondly, all the stories of Jesus are full of peace, love, goodness, honesty, truth, he healed the sick and fed the poor.\
And chasing people around with a whip

Thirdly, all The stories of Mohammed are full of war, murder, robbery, rape, death and destruction, conquest for power and control, lies and deceit.
Okay present one they are on hate sites NOT in the Koran

All of this is well documented...

Why lie...?

by Tommy Monk Tue May 26, 2015 4:56 am

Are you saying that there are no stories of Mohammed involved in war, murder, robbery, rape, death and destruction, conquest for power and control, lies and deceit...!?

lol!

by veya_victaous Tue May 26, 2015 5:46 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Are you saying that there are no stories of Mohammed involved in war, ~~murder, robbery, rape, death and destruction, c~~onquest for power and control, lies and deceit...!?

War and conquest Yes but FAMOUSLY won through the Pilgrimage .. which is why all Muslims are expected to make the pilgrimage to mecca in commemoration of the Bloodless conquest of Mecca and the Arab world, once in their lifetimes.

Lies and deceit is identical to Jesus because the one god is a lie Rolling Eyes

Again Line and Verse that shows where you think it has murder rape etc Cool

You have ONLY read hate sites and you know it.. you have never read the Koran
TM it is obvious to anyone that has read the Koran that YOU have not.. You are just using the made up lies of that hate site you posted before that literally used a study conducted by Stormfront the KKK website as "Science and justification" when Stormfront made it up out of now where and has already had to admit it.

No one can Read the Bible and Read the Koran and Honestly suggest the Bible is less violent or more peaceful.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 26, 2015 6:12 am

So now you are admitting war, murder, death and destruction...

There is also plenty of evidence of the rest but unfortunately none of the pro Islam lying apologist sites will admit that... and any other sites that tell the truth, you accuse of being 'hate sites'...

But you have already defeated your own argument...

I rest my case!!!

Christianity is based on the LIFE of Jesus and the examples of his actions throughout his life... all being good, full of peace and love.

Islam is based on the LIFE of Mohammed and the examples of his actions throughout his life... all being evil, full of war, death and destruction.

You cannot deny the truth about Jesus, but you admit the evil of Mohammed!!!

by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 6:16 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Firstly, I do not read 'hate sites'!
Secondly, all the stories of Jesus are full of peace, love, goodness, honesty, truth, he healed the sick and fed the poor.
Thirdly, all The stories of Mohammed are full of war, murder, robbery, rape, death and destruction, conquest for power and control, lies and deceit.
All of this is well documented...
Why lie...?

You are continuing to talk utter shit as per usual.
I have stated from the start Islam is also a death cult, so stating what Muhammad may have done based off dubious hadiths is lame, I don;t discount he waged war and killed prisoners who he deemed as traitors.

Explain Revelations?
Explain why Christians worship the "death" and resurrection of Jesus?
Why is the religion centered on "death" and resurrection?
Explain biblical Prophets charged to commit Herem?
Explain why Jesus is meant to return at the head of an army and commit Herem?
Explain why Jesus will resurrect the dead when he returns?
Explain why the ultimate wish of literal Christians is the "end of times"?

by Tommy Monk Tue May 26, 2015 6:21 am

Who wrote those bits of the bible dodge...!?

Was it those who hunted down, persecuted and killed all The early Christians...?

Or was it from Jesus himself...!?

by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 6:28 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Who wrote those bits of the bible dodge...!?
Was it those who hunted down, persecuted and killed all The early Christians...?
Or was it from Jesus himself...!?

So you are now claiming that Christians are wrong and that like me it is just the work of men and not God then?
If that is the case he is certainly not a god. Which writers were hunted down and persecuted out of the Gospel writers?

Pathetic answer stop being a prime ignorant idiot and answer the questions

Explain Revelations?
Explain why Christians worship the "death" and resurrection of Jesus?
Why is the religion centered on "death" and resurrection?
Explain biblical Prophets charged to commit Herem?
Explain why Jesus is meant to return at the head of an army and commit Herem?
Explain why Jesus will resurrect the dead when he returns?
Explain why the ultimate wish of literal Christians is the "end of times"?

by veya_victaous Tue May 26, 2015 6:28 am

Tommy Monk wrote:So now you are admitting war, murder, death and destruction...

There is also plenty of evidence of the rest but unfortunately none of the pro Islam lying apologist sites will admit that... and any other sites that tell the truth, you accuse of being 'hate sites'...

But you have already defeated your own argument...

I rest my case!!!

Christianity is based on the LIFE of Jesus and the examples of his actions throughout his life... all being good, full of peace and love.

Islam is based on the LIFE of Mohammed and the examples of his actions throughout his life... all being evil, full of war, death and destruction.

You cannot deny the truth about Jesus, but you admit the evil of Mohammed!!!

Did you read it... Mohammed achieved it through Peacefully means, he walked around the city and left. he did not use violence when he could have.. Literally all your other shit is made up. Nothing like it in the Koran at all Rolling Eyes

AND
I have this Rolling Eyes

Penguin print of the Koran, Muslims generally don't like it because it translates less favorably than they would but it is still the easiest to read Koran Published in English
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by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 6:31 am

So by Tommy's argument nothing can be believed from the hadiths recounting the life of Muhammad now he wants to ask who has written the Gospels.

Oh my what a fuckwit ha ha

Either he takes the views of what people believe or he cannot use as evidence to what they did in their lives or what Jesus is claimed to do on his return

PMSL

by veya_victaous Tue May 26, 2015 6:34 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Who wrote those bits of the bible dodge...!?

Was it those who hunted down, persecuted and killed all The early Christians...?

Or was it from Jesus himself...!?

OK you need to just SHUT UP And go get some information. As all your points are just ignorance on your behalf..

we have ZERO words from Jesus END OF STORY
again because he failed where Mohammad succeeded

Everything is through his apostles and Even then everything that has been translated to English is through Paul.
They were never hunted because no one care all that much, Only if they openly admitted they did not follow the Emperor where they killed. Christianity(Coptic) flourished in roman Egypt for almost 300 years before the Bible came into existence

Crucifixion is a common execution for any non citizen in the Roman Empire and republic

by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 6:39 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Who wrote those bits of the bible dodge...!?

Was it those who hunted down, persecuted and killed all The early Christians...?

Or was it from Jesus himself...!?

OK you need to just SHUT UP And go get some information. As all your points are just ignorance on your behalf..

we have ZERO words from Jesus END OF STORY
again because he failed where Mohammad succeeded

Everything is through his apostles and Even then everything that has been translated to English is through Paul.
They were never hunted because no one care all that much, Only if they openly admitted they did not follow the Emperor where they killed. Christianity(Coptic) flourished in roman Egypt for almost 300 years before the Bible came into existence

Crucifixion is a common execution for any non citizen in the Roman Empire and republic

Eh?

They were hunted and persecuted as a Jewish sect, being as Jews had risen up against the Romans.
In fact the most truth we can gleam from the bible is the words Jesus spoke, most historians agree to the sayings of Jesus to be reliable where they are often repeated in various Gospels. This lends credence to them being actual sayings, what is not taken as reliable is many of the events or sayings that clearly conflict and contradict.

by veya_victaous Tue May 26, 2015 6:51 am

hunted for begin Jews not Christians and For being REBELS first and foremost, regardless of race or religion.
and not really Hunted by Roman Standards... compare with Druid, Carthaginian etc.

And Yes we presume that since we have multiple source there is some legitimacy to the Source... but to the point where we can say one specific word and it's English meaning is the actual Word of God/Jesus .... I really do not think so Suspect

but dumb fucks want to kill each other over what is in the bible Suspect

by Raggamuffin Tue May 26, 2015 7:01 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:well cults are very dangerous that's for sure, i wouldn't think many jw's or mormons would agree though..

I don't know why people get so uptight about "cults". It's a person's own choice to join one or stay in one. As long as they don't break the law or hurt anyone, they should be left alone.

My friend certainly doesn't seem to think that she's a member of a cult anyway. She freely follows her religion and seems happy to do so.

by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 9:30 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:well cults are very dangerous that's for sure, i wouldn't think many jw's or mormons would agree though..

I don't know why people get so uptight about "cults". It's a person's own choice to join one or stay in one. As long as they don't break the law or hurt anyone, they should be left alone.

My friend certainly doesn't seem to think that she's a member of a cult anyway. She freely follows her religion and seems happy to do so.

isn't that how cults work, those inside don't see anything wrong... many lives have been lost to blood transfusion, that alone is bad enough..
there was an incident in malawi when the jw authorities would not allow their members to have a work permit card, it lead to mass killings and massive persecution, while in mexico the same jw authority said it was a matter of conscience of the individual member if they were to bribe an official to say they had done their national service which is a legal requirement in mexico, the double standards cost lives...

by Raggamuffin Tue May 26, 2015 9:38 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't know why people get so uptight about "cults". It's a person's own choice to join one or stay in one. As long as they don't break the law or hurt anyone, they should be left alone.

My friend certainly doesn't seem to think that she's a member of a cult anyway. She freely follows her religion and seems happy to do so.

isn't that how cults work, those inside don't see anything wrong... many lives have been lost to blood transfusion, that alone is bad enough..
there was an incident in malawi when the jw authorities would not allow their members to have a work permit card, it lead to mass killings and massive persecution, while in mexico the same jw authority said it was a matter of conscience of the individual member if they were to bribe an official to say they had done their national service which is a legal requirement in mexico, the double standards cost lives...

If someone believes that they shouldn't have a blood transfusion, that's up to them. The problem starts when it's a child who can't really make that decision. In that case, I think it's fine for the courts to decide. That way, the parents know they have no choice, and it might help them to accept it. You have to balance the right of people to decide for themselves what they want, and the rights of others who can't decide for themselves.

If someone really can't accept the rules of the organisation they freely joined, they have the right to leave it. If they are ostracised by other members of that organisation, well that's something they have to accept and move on.

I don't know about this incident in Malawi - could you find info about it?

by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 9:44 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
isn't that how cults work, those inside don't see anything wrong... many lives have been lost to blood transfusion, that alone is bad enough..
there was an incident in malawi when the jw authorities would not allow their members to have a work permit card, it lead to mass killings and massive persecution, while in mexico the same jw authority said it was a matter of conscience of the individual member if they were to bribe an official to say they had done their national service which is a legal requirement in mexico, the double standards cost lives...

If someone believes that they shouldn't have a blood transfusion, that's up to them. The problem starts when it's a child who can't really make that decision. In that case, I think it's fine for the courts to decide. That way, the parents know they have no choice, and it might help them to accept it. You have to balance the right of people to decide for themselves what they want, and the rights of others who can't decide for themselves.

If someone really can't accept the rules of the organisation they freely joined, they have the right to leave it. If they are ostracised by other members of that organisation, well that's something they have to accept and move on.

I don't know about this incident in Malawi - could you find info about it?

but they get drawn in not knowwing all the rules or evn the cults past, they are very good at hiding their lies, same as the mormons...

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/malawi-mexico-oath-allegiance.php it is quite easy to find some facts..

check on bet sarim as well that is quite interesting...

they end up with social circles, jobs a great deal of life is involved in the jw and mormon world, if you leave your family are obliged to never speak to you again, neither will your so called cult friends ...

by Raggamuffin Tue May 26, 2015 10:12 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If someone believes that they shouldn't have a blood transfusion, that's up to them. The problem starts when it's a child who can't really make that decision. In that case, I think it's fine for the courts to decide. That way, the parents know they have no choice, and it might help them to accept it. You have to balance the right of people to decide for themselves what they want, and the rights of others who can't decide for themselves.

If someone really can't accept the rules of the organisation they freely joined, they have the right to leave it. If they are ostracised by other members of that organisation, well that's something they have to accept and move on.

I don't know about this incident in Malawi - could you find info about it?
but they get drawn in not knowwing all the rules or evn the cults past, they are very good at hiding their lies, same as the mormons...

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/malawi-mexico-oath-allegiance.php it is quite easy to find some facts..

check on bet sarim as well that is quite interesting...

they end up with social circles, jobs a great deal of life is involved in the jw and mormon world, if you leave your family are obliged to never speak to you again, neither will your so called cult friends ...

Hmmmm, drawn in. That's like saying that someone is being brainwashed. I don't really believe that. As I said, they are free to leave if they find they don't like the rules or the history.

So you blame the JW rules for the deaths of those people in Malawi rather than blaming the people who killed them? That's like saying that if Christians don't give up their faith, they are to blame if someone who doesn't like those beliefs kills them.

Like I said, if they get ostracised, well they are free to find other jobs and other friends. If their family disowns them, were they worth having in the first place? Their family is also free to disregard the rules and be ostracised themselves. If they choose not to do that, well that's their choice.

by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 10:23 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
but they get drawn in not knowwing all the rules or evn the cults past, they are very good at hiding their lies, same as the mormons...

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/malawi-mexico-oath-allegiance.php it is quite easy to find some facts..

check on bet sarim as well that is quite interesting...

they end up with social circles, jobs a great deal of life is involved in the jw and mormon world, if you leave your family are obliged to never speak to you again, neither will your so called cult friends ...

Hmmmm, drawn in. That's like saying that someone is being brainwashed. I don't really believe that. As I said, they are free to leave if they find they don't like the rules or the history.

So you blame the JW rules for the deaths of those people in Malawi rather than blaming the people who killed them? That's like saying that if Christians don't give up their faith, they are to blame if someone who doesn't like those beliefs kills them.

Like I said, if they get ostracised, well they are free to find other jobs and other friends. If their family disowns them, were they worth having in the first place? Their family is also free to disregard the rules and be ostracised themselves. If they choose not to do that, well that's their choice.

of course they are drawn in, the jw's like the mormons carefully hide their past, their lies and inaccuracies..
Many do leave when they find the lies out but it does them great harm..
the authority forbid the people of walawi to take a free work permit, while telling the mexicans it was fine to give a bribe, the double standards are what caused the problem, they were killed for what they were told to do, while the mexicans were not..
yes they are free to find other friends and other jobs but it might mean having to move away, risk being unemployed etc, that is the pull they use to pressure those thinking of leaving, that seems to sit with the cult status.
did you check beth sarim out...

by Raggamuffin Tue May 26, 2015 10:46 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Hmmmm, drawn in. That's like saying that someone is being brainwashed. I don't really believe that. As I said, they are free to leave if they find they don't like the rules or the history.

So you blame the JW rules for the deaths of those people in Malawi rather than blaming the people who killed them? That's like saying that if Christians don't give up their faith, they are to blame if someone who doesn't like those beliefs kills them.

Like I said, if they get ostracised, well they are free to find other jobs and other friends. If their family disowns them, were they worth having in the first place? Their family is also free to disregard the rules and be ostracised themselves. If they choose not to do that, well that's their choice.
of course they are drawn in, the jw's like the mormons carefully hide their past, their lies and inaccuracies..
Many do leave when they find the lies out but it does them great harm..
the authority forbid the people of walawi to take a free work permit, while telling the mexicans it was fine to give a bribe, the double standards are what caused the problem, they were killed for what they were told to do, while the mexicans were not..
yes they are free to find other friends and other jobs but it might mean having to move away, risk being unemployed etc, that is the pull they use to pressure those thinking of leaving, that seems to sit with the cult status.
did you check beth sarim out...

Many people have to make difficult choices all the time. I'm not saying it would be easy to have to leave, have your family disown you, or whatever, but it's still their choice, and it's still the choice of the family whether to support them or not.

I'll check out Beth Sarim later - I'm working today so I'm posting, but I can't spare a lot of time to do research. Laughing

You know, there's a lot of stuff on this forum about how people allegedly don't like Christians, they just dislike the religion. Those same people appear to take the view that Christians have been brainwashed, or are weak people, or whatever.

I'm not going to sit here and blame certain sects or other religions for brainwashing their followers. I don't really believe in brainwashing. I think someone can be influenced, but in the end they have their own brain and their own conscience, and they can decide for themselves what is right for them. This is why different Christians have different ideas to others. It's why they don't all think that being gay is wrong, it's why they don't all believe that they need to go through a human in order to communicate with God, etc.

by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 11:27 am

If the blood isn't contaminated then what is the problem it saves the life of a person

by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 11:48 am

i never read Veya or didge's posts they are so unintersting i only read a few of Bens i think this is because they hate Christians so much i feel it in their post replies .

by Raggamuffin Tue May 26, 2015 11:54 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:i never read Veya or didge's posts they are so unintersting i only read a few of Bens i think this is because they hate Christians so much i feel it in their post replies .

Yes. I think that if you want to defend your faith, that's fine, but sometimes you can't be bothered to defend it against people who really have no business judging you or your faith anyway. If it pisses you off, just don't read it.

I'm basically disagreeing with HF, but he's not judging me for that, and I'm not judging him - it can be done. Laughing

by Guest Tue May 26, 2015 12:24 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:i never read Veya or didge's posts they are so unintersting i only read a few of Bens i think this is because they hate Christians so much i feel it in their post replies .

Yes. I think that if you want to defend your faith, that's fine, but sometimes you can't be bothered to defend it against people who really have no business judging you or your faith anyway. If it pisses you off, just don't read it.

I'm basically disagreeing with HF, but he's not judging me for that, and I'm not judging him - it can be done.

cheers raggs, it can be done, it does get boring when you end up just defending attack after attack even when it is obvious they are not looking for answers...

by Tommy Monk Tue May 26, 2015 3:00 pm

Belatucadros wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Firstly, I do not read 'hate sites'!
Secondly, all the stories of Jesus are full of peace, love, goodness, honesty, truth, he healed the sick and fed the poor.
Thirdly, all The stories of Mohammed are full of war, murder, robbery, rape, death and destruction, conquest for power and control, lies and deceit.
All of this is well documented...
Why lie...?

You are continuing to talk utter shit as per usual.
I have stated from the start Islam is also a death cult, so stating what Muhammad may have done based off dubious hadiths is lame, I don;t discount he waged war and killed prisoners who he deemed as traitors.

Explain Revelations?
Explain why Christians worship the "death" and resurrection of Jesus?
Why is the religion centered on "death" and resurrection?
Explain biblical Prophets charged to commit Herem?
Explain why Jesus is meant to return at the head of an army and commit Herem?
Explain why Jesus will resurrect the dead when he returns?
Explain why the ultimate wish of literal Christians is the "end of times"?

Who wrote those bits of the bible dodge...!?

Are they actually stories about Jesus's life...!?

No!

I repeat...

Christianity is based on the LIFE of Jesus and the examples of his actions throughout his life... all being good, full of peace and love.

Islam is based on the LIFE of Mohammed and the examples of his actions throughout his life... all being evil, full of war, death and destruction.

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