Young mother, 24, is shot dead in front of her fiancé after saying "all lives matter" during an argument with Black Lives Matter supporters

Jessica Doty Whitaker, 24, was shot dead on  July 5 in Indianapolis, Indiana
Whitaker, her fiancé Jose Ramirez and two others were reportedly walking along the canal when one of them allegedly used the n-word
A nearby group of people heard the phrase and a confrontation was sparked
During the argument, Whitaker responded 'All lives matter' when the other group said 'Black Lives Matter'
Whitaker, a home health nurse, leaves behind a three-year-old son
She was one of three people shot dead at Indianapolis' canal last week, and one of several over Fourth of July weekend


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8515507/Young-mother-24-shot-dead-fianc-saying-lives-matter.html

Of course Black lives matter, but the organisation is being over run with hateful extremists

Nobody deserves to be murdered for an opinion and these comments show up. 

Activists from BLM have been attacking the public facebook of Jessica Whitaker.
They are celebrating her death and mocking her family members. She never even used a racial slur and this shows how dangerous the movement is becoming

This is sick beyond belief and I fear that the US is spirally down a path that will end in mass violence and civil war

Indiana is a hotbed of violence. It's where VP Pence is from.

Yes, Indiana is like the Wild West.

The Facebook comments are hideous. I've been banned for 24 hours for far less.

I also worry about my country.

We need a great, black statesman. I hate to say that it needs to be a Black person, but that's where we are now.

I didn't vote for Obama but thought he might be a unifier to some degree.

I was wrong again.

That's the problem. No black person will satisfy the white supremacists. Like Obama, perhaps the greatest president we have ever had, any black statesman is disqualified before s/he starts.

Racism is so bad in the US that blacks are treated as a separate category, if not a separate species. The empathy factor is not there. The 'we/they' distinction is still the predominate (white) way to approach blacks.

Maddog wrote:The Facebook comments are hideous. I've been banned for 24 hours for far less.  

I also worry about my country.  

We need a great, black statesman. I hate to say that it needs to be a Black person, but that's where we are now.  

I didn't vote for Obama but thought he might be a unifier to some degree.

I was wrong again.  

Its spiralling out of control

Have you been watching the videos on twitter with the extremist violent acts of antifa?

People need to understand that they need to separate standing up for the position Black lives matter, (by continuing to support)  from the movement BLM. Which is nothing more than a Neo-Marxist movement

So much hatred....the world has gone mad.

Didgee wrote:

Maddog wrote:The Facebook comments are hideous. I've been banned for 24 hours for far less.  

I also worry about my country.  

We need a great, black statesman. I hate to say that it needs to be a Black person, but that's where we are now.  

I didn't vote for Obama but thought he might be a unifier to some degree.

I was wrong again.  

Its spiralling out of control

Have you been watching the videos on twitter with the extremist violent acts of antifa?

People need to understand that they need to separate standing up for the position Black lives matter, (by continuing to support)  from the movement BLM. Which is nothing more than a Neo-Marxist movement

Antifa doesn't exist. It is a belief, and who would censor beliefs? Only an authoritarian.

BLM only supports the simple premise that Black males are being murdered in droves by white-authoritarian police forces, and demands it must stop. To call BLM a neo-Marxist movement, or anything else, is to show partisanship by the smear. Very Trumpian way of dialogue.

Syl wrote:So much hatred....the world has gone mad.

Indeed Syl

I have been watching many movies of late, where even black people are attacked by Antifa extremists

Its all about a political far left ideology,. that seek to bring down the current system and replace it with neo-Marxism

Didgee wrote:

Syl wrote:So much hatred....the world has gone mad.

Indeed Syl

I have been watching many movies of late, where even black people are attacked by Antifa extremists

Its all about a political far left ideology,. that seek to bring down the current system and replace it with neo-Marxism

This video is funny, as antifa shit a brick

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1282833685738225665

Fukking scum should be rounded up and taken out the back and shot themselves!

This is the antifa that Quill claims does not exist

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1282821049436868609

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1282707871600271361

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1283054780387078146

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1283028708220186624

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282578006351974407

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282585731567890432

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282588799059492864

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1281179943678902272

Didgee wrote:This is the antifa that Quill claims does not exist

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1282821049436868609

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1282707871600271361

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1283054780387078146

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1283028708220186624

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282578006351974407

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282585731567890432

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282588799059492864

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1281179943678902272

What is Antifa's address? A PO Box will do. Who is Antifa's designated chairman, president or presiding officer? Can you provide Antifa's articles of incorporation?

If you can't give an address, a presiding officer, or any organization whatsoever, that means they have no location, no personnel, and no existence. You can arrest individuals who break the law. But Antifa is merely a belief.

You wouldn't censor a belief, as that would be arbitrary and authoritarian. Outlawing a belief is what the Germans did to the Jews. You would end up with the same result.

Didgee wrote:

Maddog wrote:The Facebook comments are hideous. I've been banned for 24 hours for far less.  

I also worry about my country.  

We need a great, black statesman. I hate to say that it needs to be a Black person, but that's where we are now.  

I didn't vote for Obama but thought he might be a unifier to some degree.

I was wrong again.  

Its spiralling out of control

Have you been watching the videos on twitter with the extremist violent acts of antifa?

People need to understand that they need to separate standing up for the position Black lives matter, (by continuing to support)  from the movement BLM. Which is nothing more than a Neo-Marxist movement

I see it on Facebook.

I know people are speaking out about the Marxist underpinnings of the BLM.

But as you can see, you better be careful. There are some sick fuckers that don't care if someone kills you for your beliefs, even if they are accurate.

Might even be one on this forum.

Maddog wrote:There are some sick fuckers that don't care if someone kills you for your beliefs, even if they are accurate.

Southerners! Give 'em some violence, a gun and a black victim, and they are happy as pigs in shit.

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:This is the antifa that Quill claims does not exist

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1282821049436868609

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1282707871600271361

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1283054780387078146

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1283028708220186624

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282578006351974407

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282585731567890432

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282588799059492864

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1281179943678902272

What is Antifa's address?  A PO Box will do.  Who is Antifa's designated chairman, president or presiding officer?  Can you provide Antifa's articles of incorporation?

If you can't give an address, a presiding officer, or any organization whatsoever, that means they have no location, no personnel, and no existence.  You can arrest individuals who break the law.  But Antifa is merely a belief.

You wouldn't censor a belief, as that would be arbitrary and authoritarian.  Outlawing a belief is what the Germans did to the Jews.  You would end up with the same result.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa

So Quill is still suffering from ostrich parasitic syndrome

Maddog wrote:

Didgee wrote:


Its spiralling out of control

Have you been watching the videos on twitter with the extremist violent acts of antifa?

People need to understand that they need to separate standing up for the position Black lives matter, (by continuing to support)  from the movement BLM. Which is nothing more than a Neo-Marxist movement

I see it on Facebook.

I know people are speaking out about the Marxist underpinnings of the BLM.

But as you can see, you better be careful. There are some sick fuckers that don't care if someone kills you for your beliefs, even if they are accurate.

Might even be one on this forum.  

Indeed mate and I forsee its going to get very ugly

Its why we are seeing more and more governments globally swing further left and right

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

What is Antifa's address?  A PO Box will do.  Who is Antifa's designated chairman, president or presiding officer?  Can you provide Antifa's articles of incorporation?

If you can't give an address, a presiding officer, or any organization whatsoever, that means they have no location, no personnel, and no existence.  You can arrest individuals who break the law.  But Antifa is merely a belief.

You wouldn't censor a belief, as that would be arbitrary and authoritarian.  Outlawing a belief is what the Germans did to the Jews.  You would end up with the same result.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa

So Quill is still suffering from ostrich parasitic syndrome

What is worse is the inability to point to an entity when speaking of a zeitgeist.  Antifa is like Christmas...it exists when the spirit moves you.

But like Christmas, it serves a good and progressive purpose.

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa

So Quill is still suffering from ostrich parasitic syndrome

What is worse is the inability to point to an entity when speaking of a zeitgeist.  Antifa is like Christmas...it exists when the spirit moves you.

But like Christmas, it serves a good and progressive purpose.

So yet more denial by quill

One has to wonder when those on the left like Ben and quill will finally wake up to this reality?

They are repeating history and act like the left of the past. In denial until its too late

More violence is happening

More extreme governments are entering power on the left and right

Yet they are still in denial to these very real problems and fail to learn from history

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

What is worse is the inability to point to an entity when speaking of a zeitgeist.  Antifa is like Christmas...it exists when the spirit moves you.

But like Christmas, it serves a good and progressive purpose.

So yet more denial by quill
One has to wonder when those on the left like Ben and quill will finally wake up to this reality?

Unfortunately, your reality is to fake. dodge and deceive.  You have already pulled one of your trick plays, are you setting us up for another?

Didgee wrote:They are repeating history and act like the left of the past. In denial until its too late

More violence is happening

More extreme governments are entering power on the left and right

There is no government on the left.  Trump?  BoJo?  Macron?  All of these are right-wing governments.  And, all of the unrest and violence is happening on their watch…from their own supporters, no less.

Pull up a lawn chair.  It’s fun to watch them perform like circus clowns.

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:

So yet more denial by quill
One has to wonder when those on the left like Ben and quill will finally wake up to this reality?

Unfortunately, your reality is to fake it and deceive.  You have already pulled one of your trick plays, are you setting us up for another?

Didgee wrote:They are repeating history and act like the left of the past. In denial until its too late

More violence is happening

More extreme governments are entering power on the left and right

There is no government on the left.  Trump?  BoJo?  Macron?  All of these are right-wing governments.  And, all of the unrest and violence is happening on their watch…from their own supporters, no less.

Pull up a lawn chair.  It’s fun to watch them perform like circus clowns.

And trump was a reaction of people pulling to the right, with a causation from the left going further left

As I said, we are seeing the left and right go further in the extreme direction and you are utterly blind to this

Poland has just elected a far right Government

I do not want to see any far right or left groups in power

Like I said, its people like you that are blind a to a problem staring you right in the face

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Unfortunately, your reality is to fake it and deceive. You have already pulled one of your trick plays, are you setting us up for another?



There is no government on the left. Trump? BoJo? Macron? All of these are right-wing governments. And, all of the unrest and violence is happening on their watch…from their own supporters, no less.

Pull up a lawn chair. It’s fun to watch them perform like circus clowns.

And trump was a reaction of people pulling to the right, with a causation from the left going further left

As I said, we are seeing the left and right go further in the extreme direction and you are utterly blind to this

Poland has just elected a far right Government

I do not want to see any far right or left groups in power

Like I said, its people like you that are blind a to a problem staring you right in the face

We live in politically divisive times. The stage is set by the producers. The producers at this time are RW governments. They are putting on the show.

Trump has promoted violence and conflict by calling the people who do RW violence, "good people". He has caged children. He is responsible for the death of 130,000 US citizens by mismanaging a pandemic crisis. And he has engineered the Trump/Putin doctrine, whereby Russia pays a bounty for every death of American soldiers and Trump sits back and applauds.

All the left can do is resist, or give in. The left has given in so much that they are now known as 'snowflakes'. Frankly, seeing all of the inequities, I'm surprised they held out this long.

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:

And trump was a reaction of people pulling to the right, with a causation from the left going further left

As I said, we are seeing the left and right go further in the extreme direction and you are utterly blind to this

Poland has just elected a far right Government

I do not want to see any far right or left groups in power

Like I said, its people like you that are blind a to a problem staring you right in the face

We live in politically divisive times.  The stage is set by the producers.  The producers at this time are RW governments.  They are putting on the show.

Trump has promoted violence and conflict by calling the people who do RW violence, "good people".  He has caged children.  He is responsible for the death of 130,000 US citizens by mismanaging a pandemic crisis.  And he has engineered the Trump/Putin doctrine, whereby Russia pays a bounty for every death of American soldiers and Trump sits back and applauds.

All the left can do is resist, or give in.  The left has given in so much that they are now known as 'snowflakes'.  Frankly, seeing all of the inequities, I'm surprised they held out this long.

You mean how the people of Hong Kong are resisting left wing authoritarianism in China?

How about Venezuela?

All rational people need to resist extreme forms of left and right wing politics. As the cause and effect will lead to a replacement of extreme and left and right wing governments in countries. BY the opposite extreme taking power

Just as we saw in the early to mid 20th century

phil wrote:All rational people need to resist extreme forms of left and right wing politics. As the cause and effect will lead to a replacement of extreme and left and right wing governments in countries. BY the opposite extreme taking power

Now you are calling for unrest and possible violence. The fact is there is no extreme form on the left. Progressive politics is for fixing what is wrong with our political world. Wherever injustice is found, it must be corrected.

The problem is with special interest politics. People who think they are better than others--and I would point to white supremacists, in particular--are the bane of this world. People who seek unfair advantage, are champions of inequality.

RW'ers are the core of special interests. Trump openly seeks to push taxes off of the rich (reduced corporate taxes) and push the burden onto the poor (eliminate mortgage interest and state tax deductions), thereby favoring special interests. Special interests seek inequality and advantage for the wealthy. Likewise, special interests seek to marginalize the rights of the disenfranchised, through white supremacy.

The left wants to fix what is broken. The right seeks special interests. There is no equivalency between left and right...or good and bad.

Original Quill wrote:

phil wrote:All rational people need to resist extreme forms of left and right wing politics. As the cause and effect will lead to a replacement of extreme and left and right wing governments in countries. BY the opposite extreme taking power

Now you are calling for unrest and possible violence.

Cathy Newman alert

Show me where I called for unrest and violence?

Never did

If you continue on this path with your usual lying the conversation ends, based on your immaturity

Stating to resist does not mean calling for unrest and violence, from my position and many others

It means standing up and being vocal against extremism, where people need to unite in doing this from both the left and right. 

Countering poor extreme arguments, with facts, evidence and reason.

It can also mean peaceful protesting

So the victim in this story was shot by crazed Trump supporters?


Methinks it was by people very similar to Quill. At least in mindset. He's not man to actually get his hands dirty.

Maddog wrote:So the victim in this story was shot by crazed Trump supporters?

Methinks it was by people very similar to Quill. At least in mindset. He's not man to actually get his hands dirty.  

But, you are the southerner. You are the one who loves guns. Therefore you love violence. And we all know how southerners react to adversity.

I'm just a poor, quiet northerner.

Who is "we". You speak for you, and no one else.

Maddog wrote:Who is "we". You speak for you, and no one else.

Most of the rest of the country, plus people in other countries who know the US.

All those folks know me and chose you as their spokesperson?

Maddog wrote:All those folks know me and chose you as their spokesperson?

Quill thinks just like white BLM protestors, who are in reality mainly neo-marxist extremists

Have you seen this Maddog?

“It says something when you’re at a BLM protest, & you have more minorities on the police side than...in a violent crowd, & you have white people screaming at black officers, ‘you have the biggest nose I’ve ever seen’.”

https://twitter.com/FarleyMedia/status/1281359664408522753


This is a good read also

https://medium.com/@heyingh/14-true-things-a38acc79e0b

I've seen the white protestors harassing black cops. And I know what BLM is. Its a movement to push the political needle as far to the left as possible while hiding behind race. Its basically the left using and exploiting black people, like they have done for decades.

Bang on the money there Maddog!

Maddog wrote:I've seen the white protestors harassing black cops. And I know what BLM is. Its a movement to push the political needle as far to the left as possible while hiding behind race.  Its basically the left using and exploiting black people, like they have done for decades.

Not without the Blacks themselves wanting to be heard. Basically, it's truth seeking justice.

phil wrote:Quill thinks just like white BLM protestors, who are in reality mainly neo-marxist extremists

I do think like BLM protestors (it's a belief, not a color). In proportionate terms, blacks are 3.5 times as likely to be killed by the police as whites. America is a racist nation.

As far as Marxism goes, Karl Marx was a great political philosopher, who merged economics with politics. I don't consider myself proficient enough to call myself a Marxists, but his predicate facts are true enough. At least, didge—unlike you—I understand Marxist theory.

Original Quill wrote:

phil wrote:Quill thinks just like white BLM protestors, who are in reality mainly neo-marxist extremists

I do think like BLM protestors (it's a belief, not a color).  In proportionate terms, blacks are 3.5 times as likely to be killed by the police as whites.  America is a racist nation.

As far as Marxism goes, Karl Marx was a great political philosopher, who merged economics with politics.  I don't consider myself proficient enough to call myself a Marxists, but his predicate facts are true enough.  At least, didge—unlike you—I understand Marxist theory.

I agree you do think like white middle class Marxists, who think you can speak for African Americans, by speaking over them

Never actually listening to them

Hence the issue

Maddog wrote:I've seen the white protestors harassing black cops. And I know what BLM is. Its a movement to push the political needle as far to the left as possible while hiding behind race.  Its basically the left using and exploiting black people, like they have done for decades.

+1

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I do think like BLM protestors (it's a belief, not a color).  In proportionate terms, blacks are 3.5 times as likely to be killed by the police as whites.  America is a racist nation.

As far as Marxism goes, Karl Marx was a great political philosopher, who merged economics with politics.  I don't consider myself proficient enough to call myself a Marxists, but his predicate facts are true enough.  At least, didge—unlike you—I understand Marxist theory.

I agree you do think like white middle class Marxists, who think you can speak for African Americans, by speaking over them

Never actually listening to them

Hence the issue

As to your numbers?

Lets look at the facts.

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I do think like BLM protestors (it's a belief, not a color).  In proportionate terms, blacks are 3.5 times as likely to be killed by the police as whites.  America is a racist nation.

As far as Marxism goes, Karl Marx was a great political philosopher, who merged economics with politics.  I don't consider myself proficient enough to call myself a Marxist, but his predicate facts are true enough.  At least, didge—unlike you—I understand Marxist theory.

I agree you do think like white middle class Marxists, who think you can speak for African Americans, by speaking over them

Never actually listening to them

Hence the issue

You don't know what a Marxist is.

I, at least, understand the theory.  I wouldn't call myself a Marxist, though I might say that I find socialism useful at times.  So does the US, as the US military is the largest socialist organization in the world.

But you are just using the term as a gutter slur.  I don't go there.

phil wrote:As to your numbers?

Lets look at the facts.

The facts are, you are a racist trying to clean up the act of racism.  Racism is inherently evil.  You can't clean it up.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Fukking scum should be rounded up and taken out the back and shot themselves!

I quite agree. Violent, out of control, animals.

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:

I agree you do think like white middle class Marxists, who think you can speak for African Americans, by speaking over them

Never actually listening to them

Hence the issue

You don't know what a Marxist is.

I, at least, understand the theory.  I wouldn't call myself a Marxist, though I might say that I find socialism useful at times.  So does the US, as the US military is the largest socialist organization in the world.

But you are just using the term as a gutter slur.  I don't go there.

Of course I do

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/

Original Quill wrote:

phil wrote:As to your numbers?

Lets look at the facts.

The facts are, you are a racist trying to clean up the act of racism.  Racism is inherently evil.  You can't clean it up.

Of course you can clean up racism


You simple need to learn from people who are better than you at cleaning up racism

https://www.deseret.com/indepth/2020/7/13/21292134/racism-prejudice-white-supremacist-daryl-davis-conversion-change-conversation

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The facts are, you are a racist trying to clean up the act of racism.  Racism is inherently evil.  You can't clean it up.

Of course you can clean up racism

Why dignify it? It's a nasty, inhumane practice, incapable of justification.

You are trying to put a shiny patina on it by saying that blacks are responsible. Hey...blacks didn't ship whites over to Africa to work in their cotton fields. It's the other way around. Whites started it, and whites continue it.

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:

Of course you can clean up racism

Why dignify it?  It's a nasty, inhumane practice, incapable of justification.

You are trying to put a shiny patina on it by saying that blacks are responsible.  Hey...blacks didn't ship whites over to Africa to work in their cotton fields.  It's the other way around.  Whites started it, and whites continue it.

I am ridiculing you Quill for a simple reason

You do not combat racism, but amplify racism

Go figure

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Why dignify it?  It's a nasty, inhumane practice, incapable of justification.

You are trying to put a shiny patina on it by saying that blacks are responsible.  Hey...blacks didn't ship whites over to Africa to work in their cotton fields.  It's the other way around.  Whites started it, and whites continue it.

I am ridiculing you Quill for a simple reason

You do not combat racism, but amplify racism

Go figure

It's the number one problem in the US.

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:

I am ridiculing you Quill for a simple reason

You do not combat racism, but amplify racism

Go figure

It's the number one problem in the US.

You think this is worse, than unemployment, lack of universal medical care, relative poverty etc?

Didgee wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It's the number one problem in the US.

You think this is worse, than unemployment, lack of universal medical care, relative poverty etc?

Yes.

Original Quill wrote:

Didgee wrote:

You think this is worse, than unemployment, lack of universal medical care, relative poverty etc?

Yes.

How?

I mean are you seriously telling ,me that in all the US states that African Americans suffer a perceived systemic racism worse than people being homeless?

Holy crap on a cracker

How out of touch with reality are you quill?

On second thoughts do not answer. You lack knowledge of america history and will never be able to form a comprehensive answer based on your own ideology

Night