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Post by gerber Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:28 am

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A Pakistani terror group has become the first in the region to break ranks and declare allegiance to the Islamic State that has seized power across Iraq and Syria.

This week it pledged to raise the Islamic State’s flag in South Asia and Khurasan – the historic name used by Islamist militants for an area covering Afghanistan and Pakistan.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/10955563/Pakistani-terror-group-swears-allegiance-to-Islamic-State.html

Surely it is now time to stop the black flag fliers in their tracks by whatever means to ensure we still have civilization in fifty years.

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:20 pm

Indeed the final match is on it's way and thanks to Obama allowing Iran free reign to develop nukes it's looking to get real hot in the ME

But if Iran don't have nukes Israel will win as they always do

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:32 am

Obama has nothing to do with it.  The McConnell/Boehner Doctrine means the US has no money to devote to war spending...any war.

Iran?  Who the fook cares about Iran anyway?  It's over there in the ME...no concern of ours.  Like I say...good show to watch.

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Post by veya_victaous Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:49 am

smelly_bandit wrote:Indeed the final match is on it's way and thanks to Obama allowing Iran free reign  to develop nukes it's looking to get real hot in the ME

But if Iran don't have nukes Israel will win as they always do

Mind you Israel's strength is directly proportional to US funding

In 2007, the Bush Administration and the Israeli government agreed to a 10-year, $30 billion
military aid package for the period from FY2009 to FY2018. During his March 2013 visit to
Israel, President Obama pledged that the United States would continue to provide Israel with
multi-year commitments of military aid subject to the approval of Congress
http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html

The U.S. provides Israel $8.5 million* in military aid each day,
while it gives the Palestinians $0** in military aid.
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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:28 am

Original Quill wrote:Obama has nothing to do with it.  The McConnell/Boehner Doctrine means the US has no money to devote to war spending...any war.

Iran?  Who the fook cares about Iran anyway?  It's over there in the ME...no concern of ours.  Like I say...good show to watch.

You blame everything on McConnell/Boehner doctrine


So I guess it was the McConnell/Boehner doctrine that brought down OBL - as you say Obama had nothing to do with it

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:21 am

smelly_bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Obama has nothing to do with it.  The McConnell/Boehner Doctrine means the US has no money to devote to war spending...any war.

Iran?  Who the fook cares about Iran anyway?  It's over there in the ME...no concern of ours.  Like I say...good show to watch.

You blame everything on McConnell/Boehner doctrine


So I guess it was the McConnell/Boehner doctrine that brought down OBL - as you say Obama had nothing to do with it

I blame all of the lack of funding on the McConnell/Boehner doctrine.  That's what the doctrine says.  Anything that costs money is out.  

The downfall of UBL was the product of brains, not money.  You can see that the Obama administration has what it takes, the Bush administration did not.


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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:34 am

Congressional Research Service wrote:U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians
Congressional Research Service
Summary

Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed approximately $5 billion in bilateral assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid. Successive Administrations have requested aid for the Palestinians in apparent support of at least three major U.S. policy priorities of interest to Congress:

Preventing terrorism against Israel from Hamas and other militant organizations.

Fostering stability, prosperity, and self-governance in the West Bank that inclines Palestinians toward peaceful coexistence with Israel and a “two-state solution.”

Meeting humanitarian needs.

Since June 2007, these U.S. policy priorities have crystallized around the factional and geographical split between the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. Through its provision of aid to the Palestinians, the United States faces challenges in bolstering PA leaders in the West Bank without compromising their domestic popular appeal or encouraging authoritarian behavior. Longtime PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, who was praised by many Western officials—including several Members of Congress—as a champion of reform and transparency, resigned in April 2013. Fayyad was replaced by a government that may be more sensitive to the preferences of PA President Mahmoud Abbas than those of international donors. Congress and the Obama Administration also face challenges in addressing humanitarian needs in Gaza while monitoring the status of Hamas’s rule there amidst regional flux and increasing instability along the border in Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula.

From FY2008 to the present, annual regular-year U.S. bilateral assistance to the West Bank and Gaza Strip has averaged around $500 million, including annual averages of approximately $200 million in direct budgetary assistance and $100 million in non-lethal security assistance for the PA in the West Bank. In line with Obama Administration requests, funding levels declined slightly in FY2013, with the new baseline of overall annual assistance closer to $440 million.

Because of congressional concerns that, among other things, U.S. aid to the Palestinians might be diverted to Palestinian terrorist groups, the aid is subject to a host of vetting and oversight requirements and legislative restrictions. Additionally, since FY2011, Congress has taken various forms of action in response to Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) initiatives in the United Nations and other international forums aimed at increasing international recognition of Palestinian statehood outside of negotiations with Israel. The PLO reportedly agreed to put these initiatives on hold as they resumed talks with Israel in the summer of 2013. Additionally, the United States is the largest single-state donor to the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA).

U.S. assistance to the Palestinians is given alongside assistance from other international donors, and U.S. policymakers routinely call for greater or more timely assistance from Arab governments in line with pledges those governments make. The PA remains dependent on external donor assistance to meet its budgetary needs—especially its large public payroll—and it also seeks foreign investment to jumpstart its private sector. Even if the immediate objectives of U.S. assistance programs for the Palestinians are met, the long-term utility of U.S. aid in encouraging regional stability and Palestinian economic and political self-sufficiency might depend to some extent on progress toward a political solution that addresses Palestinian national aspirations and Israeli security demands.

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:57 am

U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel
Congressional Research Service
Summary
This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign
assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past
aid programs, data on annual assistance, and an analysis of current issues. For general
information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476,
Israel: Background and U.S. Relations
, by Jim
Zanotti.
Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date,
the United States has provided Israel $121 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in
bilateral assistance
. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance,
although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional
support for Israel has resulted in Israel receiving benefits not available to any other countries; for
example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the
United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. In addition, U.S. assistance
earmarked for Israel is generally delivered in the first 30 days of the fiscal year, while most other
recipients normally receive aid in installments, and Israel (as is also the case with Egypt) is
permitted to use cash flow financing for its U.S. arms purchases. In addition to receiving U.S.
State Department-administered foreign assistance, Israel also receives funds from annual defense
appropriations bills for rocket and missile defense programs
. Israel pursues some of those
programs jointly with the United States.
In 2007, the Bush Administration and the Israeli government agreed to a 10-year, $30 billion
military aid package for the period from FY2009 to FY2018.
During his March 2013 visit to
Israel, President Obama pledged that the United States would continue to provide Israel with
multi-year commitments of military aid subject to the approval of Congress.
The FY2014 Consolidated Appropriations Act (P.L
. 113-76) provides the President’s full $3.1
billion
request in FMF for Israel. In addition, it provides another $504 million in funding for
research, development, and production of Israel
’s Iron Dome anti-rocket system ($235 million)

and of the joint U.S.-Israel missile defense sy
stems David’s Sling ($149.7 million), the Arrow
improvement program (or Arrow II, $44.3 million), and Arrow III ($74.7 million).
For FY2015, the Administration is requesting $3.1 billion in FMF to Israel and $10 million in
Migration and Refugee Assistance.
The Missile Defense Agency’s FY2015 request for joint U.S.-
Israeli programs is $96.8 million. The Administration also is requesting $175.9 million for Iron Dome.

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:02 am

Original Quill wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

You blame everything on McConnell/Boehner doctrine


So I guess it was the McConnell/Boehner doctrine that brought down OBL - as you say Obama had nothing to do with it

I blame all of the lack of funding on the McConnell/Boehner doctrine.  That's what the doctrine says.  Anything that costs money is out.  

The downfall of UBL was the product of brains, not money.  You can see that the Obama administration has what it takes, the Bush administration did not.

Oh right now I get it

The McConnell/Boehner doctrine is where anything good that happens is Obama the messiah being divinely guided

Anything bad that happens is bushes fault

Didn't know you obamaniacs had an actual term for bullshit

But hey I'll roll with "McConnell/Boehner doctrine" sounds official and shit


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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:01 am

smelly_bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I blame all of the lack of funding on the McConnell/Boehner doctrine.  That's what the doctrine says.  Anything that costs money is out.  

The downfall of UBL was the product of brains, not money.  You can see that the Obama administration has what it takes, the Bush administration did not.

Oh right now I get it

The McConnell/Boehner doctrine is where anything good that happens is Obama the messiah being divinely guided

Anything bad that happens is bushes fault

Yeah, that's pretty much it, smels.  Any administration (GWB) that has to lie to get us into a war, ruin the economy, bail out the banking industry, run up a $17-billion deficit, and lose UBL is one dumbfuckin' bunny.

By contrast, as you point out, Obama nailed UBL  Fixed all the other stuff as well.

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:20 am

Lone Wolf wrote:
farao  I'LL repeat that which I have been stating a couple of times a year since "the year dot" in regard to Middle East conflicts :

The rest of the world should build a big wall or fence around Israel, the Arab states, Iran and Iraq, Syria, Pakistan and Afghanistan..

And let them fight it out over there for a few months, with no outside help and no nuclear weapons or high technology ~ and let them settle their differences in the more traditional ways...

THEN maybe we could see another "thousand years of peace" one of these days ?    ::pntyswrd::

That is pretty much what they are doing, but the wall is metaphoric. My money says it comes down to Iran and Israel...with Israel winning, 5-2.

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:28 am

Well after all, Isreal does have all that American money doesn't it, so it's just doing America's donkey work.

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:50 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

Oh right now I get it

The McConnell/Boehner doctrine is where anything good that happens is Obama the messiah being divinely guided

Anything bad that happens is bushes fault

Yeah, that's pretty much it, smels.  Any administration (GWB) that has to lie to get us into a war, ruin the economy, bail out the banking industry, run up a $17-billion deficit, and lose UBL is one dumbfuckin' bunny.

By contrast, as you point out, Obama nailed UBL  Fixed all the other stuff as well.

so its not obama who is using drones to kill innocents its McConnell/Boehner doctrine

is that the way of it??

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:41 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Yeah, that's pretty much it, smels.  Any administration (GWB) that has to lie to get us into a war, ruin the economy, bail out the banking industry, run up a $17-billion deficit, and lose UBL is one dumbfuckin' bunny.

By contrast, as you point out, Obama nailed UBL  Fixed all the other stuff as well.

so its not obama who is using drones to kill innocents its McConnell/Boehner doctrine

is that the way of it??

No, no...that is not the McConnell/Boehner doctrine.  Look, let's stop talking in jingles and be specific.  The McConnell/Boehner doctrine is the message that went out to the Republican Senate and Congressional members: As long as the other party is in power, work to bring down and cause the failure of the US. That way the other party fails and looks bad.  Obviously, when the situation is reversed, Democrats will reciprocate.  

The Congressional Houses have their functions, the President has his.  Congress passes laws and makes appropriations to fund them.  The President takes direct action, including the military. When you are criticizing the US, you've got to look to see what you are criticizing, and whose responsibility it is.

The Republicans want to deny any funding for any program, due to the McConnell/Boehner doctrine.  Programs and funds, that's where they can be vulnerable.

Obama, as President, is in charge of drones.  I don't like them and I believe they shouldn't be used over in the ME.  Obama's use of the implements of war is one area where he is much more conservative than me.  There is a strong LW faction of the Democratic party that is, like me, getting a little pissed at Obama.

Smels, you lump all things into wrong buckets because you are impatient with understanding things.  As John Stuart Mill said: I never said all Conservatives are stupid; I only said all stupid people are Conservatives.  You need to try harder.

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:57 pm

*lets out a long low whistle*

the business end of your crack pipe must be hotter than the sun by now

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:05 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:*lets out a long low whistle*

the business end of your crack pipe must be hotter than the sun by now

Whatever...

Just don't ever make the same mistake if I'm listening.

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:12 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:*lets out a long low whistle*

the business end of your crack pipe must be hotter than the sun by now

Whatever...

Just don't ever make the same mistake if I'm listening.

sorry, what???

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:23 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Whatever...

Just don't ever make the same mistake if I'm listening.

sorry, what???

I can't waste time on you if you are only going to prattle on. Get your facts and get serious, or don't run with the big dogs.

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:33 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

sorry, what???

I can't waste time on you if you are only going to prattle on.  Get your facts and get serious, or don't run with the big dogs.

 ::D:: 

sorry mate i wasnt listening what was that you were saying

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:41 pm

::D:: 

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:13 pm

Original Quill wrote:::D:: 

took a while

a whole two posts i had you biting for

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:31 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:::D:: 

took a while

a whole two posts i had you biting for  

A whole two?? Wow...impressive.

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