Iraq war III...???

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Iraq is breaking up. The Kurds have taken the northern oil city of Kirkuk that they have long claimed as their capital. Sunni fundamentalist fighters vow to capture Baghdad and the Shia holy cities further south.
Government rule over the Sunni Arab heartlands of north and central Iraq is evaporating as its 900,000-strong army disintegrates. Government aircraft have fired missiles at insurgent targets in Mosul, captured by Isis on Monday, but the Iraqi army has otherwise shown no sign of launching a counter-attack.
The nine-year Shia dominance over Iraq, established after the US, Britain and other allies overthrew Saddam Hussein, may be coming to an end. The Shia may continue to hold the capital and the Shia-majority provinces further south, but they will have great difficulty in re-establishing their authority over Sunni provinces from which their army has fled.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-crisis-islamist-militants-warn-battle-will-rage-after-seizing-mosul-and-tikrit-9530899.html



There have been reports that the army have just stripped off uniform dropped weapons and just run away!!!



In Mosul there were supposed to be about 14,000 soldiers and they have run from a couple of thousand militants.




Another thing that gets me, is that when these rebels were in Syria we kept hearing how we should be supporting them, but now they are in Iraq we should be helping fight against them.....!?

Didge wrote:

The Puzzler wrote:
Well, that's a lie for a start. Try again Dodge.

No lie, you are a sad little racist xenophobic fuckwit, they are easy to spot

So I'm racist despite never having posted anything like that(hint - Islam isn't a race) yet veya isn't racist for saying English people can't be educated. Ok dodge. You silly hypocritical twat.

Didge wrote:

The Puzzler wrote:
Hugh? When you asked me if I was Hugh ages ago, I thought you meant high due to your lack of English skills. So who's Hugh then?

Well that shows you English skills are bad then ha ha, what a fuckwit

Your, not you. Think before you call anyone else a fuckwit.

The Puzzler wrote:

Didge wrote:


No lie, you are a sad little racist xenophobic fuckwit, they are easy to spot

So I'm racist despite never having posted anything like that(hint - Islam isn't a race) yet veya isn't racist for saying English people can't be educated. Ok dodge. You silly hypocritical twat.

You are racist, you can still racially stereotype Muslims Dummy, which shows again how incredibly stupid you really are.
Veya is talking the piss out of people like you when he says it, the fact it works so well, is because you react and only a racist would react.

The Puzzler wrote:

Didge wrote:


No lie, you are a sad little racist xenophobic fuckwit, they are easy to spot

So I'm racist despite never having posted anything like that(hint - Islam isn't a race) yet veya isn't racist for saying English people can't be educated. Ok dodge. You silly hypocritical twat.

Religion does come under our race laws Mr Puzzler.

Didge wrote:

The Puzzler wrote:
So I'm racist despite never having posted anything like that(hint - Islam isn't a race) yet veya isn't racist for saying English people can't be educated. Ok dodge. You silly hypocritical twat.

You are racist, you can still racially stereotype Muslims Dummy, which shows again how incredibly stupid you really are.
Veya is talking the piss out of people like you when he says it, the fact it works so well, is because you react and only a racist would react.

veya is rather offensive. I honestly don't think he's always joking.

The Puzzler wrote:

Didge wrote:


Well that shows you English skills are bad then ha ha, what a fuckwit

Your, not you. Think before you call anyone else a fuckwit.

I have no need to think fuckwit, I love it when a racist bites, as they always easily do, anything else fuckwit?

Didge wrote:

The Puzzler wrote:
So I'm racist despite never having posted anything like that(hint - Islam isn't a race) yet veya isn't racist for saying English people can't be educated. Ok dodge. You silly hypocritical twat.

You are racist, you can still racially stereotype Muslims Dummy, which shows again how incredibly stupid you really are.
Veya is talking the piss out of people like you when he says it, the fact it works so well, is because you react and only a racist would react.

So can I also racially stereotype Christians, or Scientologists? I've made it pretty clear that I despite islamic extremists, who can be white, Arab, black, Asian, not moderate Muslims. Keep on throwing out your stock phrases though, what'll it be next? 'Fear arguments'?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:


You are racist, you can still racially stereotype Muslims Dummy, which shows again how incredibly stupid you really are.
Veya is talking the piss out of people like you when he says it, the fact it works so well, is because you react and only a racist would react.

veya is rather offensive.  I honestly don't think he's always joking.

You are offensive full stop, blimey, get a life you dummy, if only we had the ability to remove undesirables like you from this country, this would be the greatest place to live.

The Puzzler wrote:

Didge wrote:


You are racist, you can still racially stereotype Muslims Dummy, which shows again how incredibly stupid you really are.
Veya is talking the piss out of people like you when he says it, the fact it works so well, is because you react and only a racist would react.

So can I also racially stereotype Christians, or Scientologists? I've made it pretty clear that I despite islamic extremists, who can be white, Arab, black, Asian, not moderate Muslims. Keep on throwing out your stock phrases though, what'll it be next? 'Fear arguments'?  

No you made it very clear you are racist, because you racially stereotype, that was easily exposed.

The fact is you are always left weighed, measured, and left found wanting.

Didge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


veya is rather offensive.  I honestly don't think he's always joking.

You are offensive full stop, blimey, get a life you dummy, if only we had the ability to remove undesirables like you from this country, this would be the greatest place to live.

I hate to Godwin a thread, but this looks like something out of Nazi Germany, or North Korea.

Didge wrote:

The Puzzler wrote:
So can I also racially stereotype Christians, or Scientologists? I've made it pretty clear that I despite islamic extremists, who can be white, Arab, black, Asian, not moderate Muslims. Keep on throwing out your stock phrases though, what'll it be next? 'Fear arguments'?  

No you made it very clear you are racist, because you racially stereotype, that was easily exposed.

The fact is you are always left weighed, measured, and left found wanting.

Didge tactics - just throw a bunch of random words together and hope it makes sense. What race or nationality have I racially stereotyped then?

Didge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


veya is rather offensive.  I honestly don't think he's always joking.

You are offensive full stop, blimey, get a life you dummy, if only we had the ability to remove undesirables like you from this country, this would be the greatest place to live.

Undesirable, offensive?

Why am i those things?

The Puzzler wrote:

Didge wrote:


You are offensive full stop, blimey, get a life you dummy, if only we had the ability to remove undesirables like you from this country, this would be the greatest place to live.

I hate to Godwin a thread, but this looks like something out of Nazi Germany, or North Korea.

Really?

Removing racists, people of hate are people who are undesirables, making the country so much better, I think we should invoke the old convict ships send them all to South Georgia, you along with them, because there is little British or English about your views, we are tolerant in this country hence the irony is lost on such a dummy yet again

The Puzzler wrote:

Didge wrote:


No you made it very clear you are racist, because you racially stereotype, that was easily exposed.

The fact is you are always left weighed, measured, and left found wanting.

Didge tactics - just throw a bunch of random words together and hope it makes sense. What race or nationality have I racially stereotyped then?

Plenty, as has been seen, your disgusting post to Sexy yesterday, was one such post

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:


You are offensive full stop, blimey, get a life you dummy, if only we had the ability to remove undesirables like you from this country, this would be the greatest place to live.

Undesirable, offensive?

Why am i those things?

You are a weasel Andy, with your hateful views daily, someone has to say it, because it gets boring reading your bile

Didge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


Undesirable, offensive?

Why am i those things?

You are a weasel Andy, with your hateful views daily, someone has to say it, because it gets boring reading your bile

But i don't have any hateful views.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:



You are a weasel Andy, with your hateful views daily, someone has to say it, because it gets boring reading your bile

But i don't have any hateful views.

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Cracked me up Andy, you should be a comedian.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:One mans Islamic extremist is another mans proper Muslim.....
Funny how you can't answer smelly's questions but still claim to have 'exposed' him....
And you are not English.

First of all, one man's Christian terrorist is another man's proper Christian. Secondly, how dare you say Phil isn't English? Have you even met him? Do you know anything about him except that he continuously shows you up?
Fucking LOW!

Didge has told me on numerous occasions that he is Irish and Sicilian.


And has never shown me up on anything, although I have seen him show himself up almost daily, plus on numerous occasions when he has one of his regular melt downs...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:
First of all, one man's Christian terrorist is another man's proper Christian. Secondly, how dare you say Phil isn't English? Have you even met him? Do you know anything about him except that he continuously shows you up?
Fucking LOW!

Didge has told me on numerous occasions that he is Irish and Sicilian.


And has never shown me up on anything, although I have seen him show himself up almost daily, plus on numerous occasions when he has one of his regular melt downs...!!!

Wrong my parents are/were, I am English and British born dummy, you are shown up daily as seen by many, mainly because you are an unhinged loon

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Didge--he's just shit-stirring.  He doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, but he thinks he can get a rise out of you.  Abandon him.

Q

Hi Quill

He is not very good at it, anyway I find it fun to expose his poor knowledge of history. so much so his only claim here is of today by some extremists.

Who are the non Muslims being protected from didge???

Didge wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

First of all, one man's Christian terrorist is another man's proper Christian. Secondly, how dare you say Phil isn't English? Have you even met him? Do you know anything about him except that he continuously shows you up?

Fucking LOW!

That is because he is an unhinged loon, I have also answered smelly's question many times before.

They are protected from invading armies, not only id this tax exempt them military service, this tax was far less than that which was paid by Muslims themselves, not exactly a hardship now is it, they get better rights than the Muslims with tax, they permitted to practice their faith, to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy, to be entitled to the Muslim state's protection from outside aggression. Which at this time had been in continual war for the last few centuries between the Byzantine Empire and the Sassanid Empire. So basically these areas had suffered constant devastation by warfare for years, where before they were conscripted into the armies. Of course smelly leaves out all these historical facts, because it goes against his claim on a single verse 9:29, which as seen is only levied on able bodied men, not women, children, the elderly, thus the verse is in regards to who do not pay this tax, just as we fight tax avoidance today. Now this is also how many Muslims see this verse and how it is taught within Islam, as any half brained idiot can see for themselves, but only those like smelly who have not studied Islam, come to a different view of this verse, because it suits their agenda. This is why smelly not only contradicts himself, being as he is an extremist Christian over religion, he excuses the violence from within his own. What I show is that within all religions, that the problem starts with literal, where some take the view they can play out what they perceive as their deities punishment onto other humans. History is full of this, no matter the faith, but more so in the Abrahamic ones. Smelly of course knows this, but as his agenda is to get everyone to hate and go to war with all Muslims, he avoids the truth.

What smelly might want to ask s why for example Jerusalem surrendered without a drop of bloodshed and whether it had been because of the previous harsh rule citizens had lived under, but then he lacks much historical knowledge to the point he always embarrasses himself

Bumped for the dummy smelly

Catch you later

The Muslims were the invading armies didge

So who where the non Muslims paying to be protected from??

Secondly i see you're still making it up as you go along because the jizya was demanded from everyone, you've lied repeatedly about some fairytale where wonky men were taxed to avoid military service


Then you contradict yourself and say any non Muslims who served in the military were exempt form the jizya

Any danger of you making up your mind

he's catching you later smelly,he's got to have a look at Wilki to find something else!!

nicko wrote:he's catching you later smelly,he's got to have a look at Wilki to find something else!!

Ok, that's funny.

nicko wrote:he's catching you later smelly,he's got to have a look at Wilki to find something else!!

yeah i know he always makes a big deal of saying how he has to go out and he will catch me later

Ive been playing with didge for years and that's code for im running away please stop harassing me

what happens next is he will dive face first into the next thread that comes along in the opes this will be forgotten about, didge is nothing if not predictable

smelly_bandit wrote:The Muslims were the invading armies didge

So who where the non Muslims paying to be protected from??

Secondly i see you're still making it up as you go along because the jizya was demanded from everyone, you've lied repeatedly about some fairytale where wonky men were taxed to avoid military service


Then you contradict yourself and say any non Muslims who served in the military were exempt form the jizya

Any danger of you making up your mind

Oh dear epic fail

So again where is your evidence before we go any further, that women and children and the elderly had to pay the Jiyza in the beginnings of Islam?
I showed you historical documents which refute your claim, showing how badly you are in denial
No contradiction, do you understand what exempt means, if they serve they do not have to pay.
It shows how desperate you are, all you can throw into the mix is some modern extremists, who again do not charge children now do they smelly, oh dear.
So we have a tax which goes towards an army, which protects a nation, non-Muslims have to pay a smaller tax than Muslims , so they can be exempt from serving in the army.

 
Take your time

I see you're desperate to avoid my question

The Muslim army invaded non Muslims lands and then demanded a protection payment

Who are the non Muslims, surrounded by an invading Muslim army being protected from

Too scared to answer are you didge??

nicko wrote:he's catching you later smelly,he's got to have a look at Wilki to find something else!!

Some of us actually have brains and use them Nicko, so tell me is the above debating or baiting?

So much for your other thread about acting like children, you just exposed you acted like one.

smelly_bandit wrote:
I see you're desperate to avoid my question

The Muslim army invaded non Muslims lands and then demanded a protection payment

Who are the non Muslims, surrounded by an invading Muslim army being protected from

Too scared to answer are you didge??

Are you dense, other nations of course, can you not read.

Hilarious

So you are telling me now we do not pay taxes no matter the religion that goes towards our armed forces?
You see this is what is so funny, all paid taxes normally under any ruler at this time, no matter the religion, here the Muslim off something less than the normal tax and also exempt them from military service, I would like you to show me any equivalent for the time?

Evidence please for your claim on the tax being forced onto children, women and the elderly in the beginnings of Islam?

Take your time

Didge wrote:



That is because he is an unhinged loon, I have also answered smelly's question many times before.

They are protected from invading armies, not only id this tax exempt them military service, this tax was far less than that which was paid by Muslims themselves, not exactly a hardship now is it, they get better rights than the Muslims with tax, they permitted to practice their faith, to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy, to be entitled to the Muslim state's protection from outside aggression. Which at this time had been in continual war for the last few centuries between the Byzantine Empire and the Sassanid Empire. So basically these areas had suffered constant devastation by warfare for years, where before they were conscripted into the armies. Of course smelly leaves out all these historical facts, because it goes against his claim on a single verse 9:29, which as seen is only levied on able bodied men, not women, children, the elderly, thus the verse is in regards to who do not pay this tax, just as we fight tax avoidance today. Now this is also how many Muslims see this verse and how it is taught within Islam, as any half brained idiot can see for themselves, but only those like smelly who have not studied Islam, come to a different view of this verse, because it suits their agenda. This is why smelly not only contradicts himself, being as he is an extremist Christian over religion, he excuses the violence from within his own. What I show is that within all religions, that the problem starts with literal, where some take the view they can play out what they perceive as their deities punishment onto other humans. History is full of this, no matter the faith, but more so in the Abrahamic ones. Smelly of course knows this, but as his agenda is to get everyone to hate and go to war with all Muslims, he avoids the truth.

What smelly might want to ask s why for example Jerusalem surrendered without a drop of bloodshed and whether it had been because of the previous harsh rule citizens had lived under, but then he lacks much historical knowledge to the point he always embarrasses himself

Bumped for the dummy smelly

Catch you later[/quote]


DOH

I would add nations thought each other no matter if Christian against Christian, or Muslim against Muslim, so what do you think armies are maintained by, love and not money?

What an idiot

That jizya being your Muslim tax dodge...... as You have previously admitted on this thread.....

Tommy Monk wrote:That jizya being your Muslim tax dodge...... as You have previously admitted on this thread.....

Oh more childishness.

I tell you what tommy, smelly is looking embarrassing enough without you adding to it!

The way I see it, you have dug yourself another big hole, and smelly is looking down at you And pissing all over you....

Tommy Monk wrote:The way I see it, you have dug yourself another big hole, and smelly is looking down at you And pissing all over you....

Really, is that why I am giving him a lesson in history which he will not be able to back with history?

Yes we both know you are both deluded, that is evident.

Unless you have anything to add to the debate, I suggest you go away and learn because on debates like this you know fuck all.

That okay my boy?

This is my thread.


So I won't be going anywhere!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:This is my thread.


So I won't be going anywhere!!!

Then debate the points, not offer me a load of balderdash, if you have no answer which as seen you rarely do answer anything, then tackle my points

Good luck

No, You debate the op and my points!


This is MY thread.

Tommy Monk wrote:No, You debate the op and my points!


This is MY thread.

Ha Ha ha Ha, what a wally

The debate has moved on from you OP, so if you want to add something new, then do so, not more balderdash

What has been shown is that Muslims are again persecuting non Muslims.


No change there....




My original question was why we were being told that we had to help the nice happy clappy rebels in Syria although we know they were not very nice at all, but now they are in Iraq doing the same shit we are now being told they are the enemy who must be stopped?



Assad gave protection to non Muslim religious minorities, who would this protection be from exactly....????

Tommy Monk wrote:What has been shown is that Muslims are again persecuting non Muslims.


No change there....




My original question was why we were being told that we had to help the nice happy clappy rebels in Syria although we know they were not very nice at all, but now they are in Iraq doing the same shit we are now being told they are the enemy who must be stopped?



Assad gave protection to non Muslim religious minorities, who would this protection be from exactly....????

Are all the rebels not nice and Islamists?

What about Christian rebels then?

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:
I see you're desperate to avoid my question

The Muslim army invaded non Muslims lands and then demanded a protection payment

Who are the non Muslims, surrounded by an invading Muslim army being protected from

Too scared to answer are you didge??

Are you dense, other nations of course, can you not read.

Hilarious

So you are telling me now we do not pay taxes no matter the religion that goes towards our armed forces?
You see this is what is so funny, all paid taxes normally under any ruler at this time, no matter the religion, here the Muslim off something less than the normal tax and also exempt them from military service, I would like you to show me any equivalent for the time?

Evidence please for your claim on the tax being forced onto children, women and the elderly in the beginnings of Islam?

Take your time

What other nations??

Before the Muslims invaded their lands the non Muslims would not have to pay jizya to be protected

When Muslims invaded their lands suddenly they need protection

Protection from who??

What nation is Isis protecting the non Muslims in Iraq from??

Who do the Coptic Christians need protecting from??

And you have already stated that no GOVERNMENT takes the jizya so how is it an official tax??

And why when non Muslims stop paying it are they kill by the very Muslims who you claim are protecting them??

Come on didge answer the questions fella

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:

Are you dense, other nations of course, can you not read.

Hilarious

So you are telling me now we do not pay taxes no matter the religion that goes towards our armed forces?
You see this is what is so funny, all paid taxes normally under any ruler at this time, no matter the religion, here the Muslim off something less than the normal tax and also exempt them from military service, I would like you to show me any equivalent for the time?

Evidence please for your claim on the tax being forced onto children, women and the elderly in the beginnings of Islam?

Take your time

What other nations??
Before the Muslims invaded their lands the non Muslims would not have to pay jizya to be protected
When Muslims invaded their lands suddenly they need protection
Protection from who??
What nation is Isis protecting the non Muslims in Iraq from??
Who do the Coptic Christians need protecting from??
And you have already stated that no GOVERNMENT takes the jizya so how is it an official tax??
And why when non Muslims stop paying it are they kill by the very Muslims who you claim are protecting them??

Come on didge answer the questions fella

Oh dear failed again and try again:


So you are telling me now we do not pay taxes no matter the religion that goes towards our armed forces?
You see this is what is so funny, all paid taxes normally under any ruler at this time, no matter the religion, here the Muslim off something less than the normal tax and also exempt them from military service, I would like you to show me any equivalent for the time?

Evidence please for your claim on the tax being forced onto children, women and the elderly in the beginnings of Islam?

Take your time

Love this, hee hee, now smelly does not think there were other nations or empires.

Ha Ha ha ha

smelly_bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:
Point taken, Tommy.  But it's really irrelevant where he got the knowledge...as long as he has it.

What I have said above still applies.  Now that he understands the situation, real analysis begins by stepping into the shoes of others.

I understand the situation a lot better than you do quill and have done for years.........................

the very idiots who are only now saying saddam was the lesser of the two evils, were condemning me for saying the same things years ago

unlike yourself, ive had an exposed life and have visited all the places now threatened by isis, from basra to tikrit to kurdistan, ive been to them all have you??  

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Smellybum is still the lying crap-stirring hatemongerer he's always been...

ONLY difference now being that he's found another couple of references to add to his formidable armoury..

What's that now, smeeelly old chap, 4 or 5 references now, to make you the world's #1 expert !    ::smthg::

Lone Wolf wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

I understand the situation a lot better than you do quill and have done for years.........................

the very idiots who are only now saying saddam was the lesser of the two evils, were condemning me for saying the same things years ago

unlike yourself, ive had an exposed life and have visited all the places now threatened by isis, from basra to tikrit to kurdistan, ive been to them all have you??  

......................................................................

  

Smellybum is still the lying crap-stirring hatemongerer he's always been...

ONLY difference now being that he's found another couple of references to add to his formidable armoury..

What's that now, smeeelly old chap, 4 or 5 references now, to make you the world's #1 expert !    ::smthg::

The only exposed life he's had is as the flasher on the No. 33 bus.  ::D:: 

Yeah, I once visited California, that makes me an expert on the issues facing California. You tell me there's a problem with water supply? Fuck you, I stayed at the Pasadena Ritz, right there on South Oak Knoll, for a whole week and they had plenty of water, you don't know what you're talking about, you fucking morons.

Knowledge gleaned from visiting a place for a limited time is obviously far superior to the knowledge gained from studying up on an issue.

You guys need to go to Northern Iraq for a few weeks, it will completely overthrow anything you ever thought you had learned about ISIS.

  

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:

The Puzzler wrote:
So I'm racist despite never having posted anything like that(hint - Islam isn't a race) yet veya isn't racist for saying English people can't be educated. Ok dodge. You silly hypocritical twat.

You are racist, you can still racially stereotype Muslims Dummy, which shows again how incredibly stupid you really are.
Veya is talking the piss out of people like you when he says it, the fact it works so well, is because you react and only a racist would react.

veya is rather offensive.  I honestly don't think he's always joking.

 ::%:: ::%:: ::%:: ::%:: I'm Almost always joking

But there is some truth in what I say  :::grouch::  I'm not just making shit up but looking at stats and then using the logic of racists

And If I really thought English people couldn't be educated would I bother explaining to you why your wrong so often   


And Really is saying the English are inefficient and have terrible food any different then saying the sky is blue  :astwinsas: 

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

What other nations??
Before the Muslims invaded their lands the non Muslims would not have to pay jizya to be protected
When Muslims invaded their lands suddenly they need protection
Protection from who??
What nation is Isis protecting the non Muslims in Iraq from??
Who do the Coptic Christians need protecting from??
And you have already stated that no GOVERNMENT takes the jizya so how is it an official tax??
And why when non Muslims stop paying it are they kill by the very Muslims who you claim are protecting them??

Come on didge answer the questions fella

Oh dear failed again and try again:


So you are telling me now we do not pay taxes no matter the religion that goes towards our armed forces?
You see this is what is so funny, all paid taxes normally under any ruler at this time, no matter the religion, here the Muslim off something less than the normal tax and also exempt them from military service, I would like you to show me any equivalent for the time?

Evidence please for your claim on the tax being forced onto children, women and the elderly in the beginnings of Islam?

Take your time

classic avoidance

you've just gone round and contradicted yourself

earlier you crowed about how no government is enforcing jizya which means its an illegal tax

now you're saying "oh its just a normal tax"

isis are not the iraqi government nor are they the iraqi military are they didge?? and yet they are the ones demanding the jizya

i will ask you yet again

the Muslims invaded the non Muslim country

who are the non Muslims paying to be protected from when the only people invading them are Muslims??

as for evidence

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Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood to Coptic Christians: Convert to Islam, or pay ‘jizya’ tax

The Muslim Brotherhood and its supporters have began forcing the roughly 15,000 Christian Copts of Dalga village in Egypt to pay a jizya tax as indicated in Koran 9:29, author and translator Raymond Ibrahim reported on Sunday.

Jizya is the money, or tribute, “that conquered non-Muslims historically had to pay to their Islamic overlords ‘with willing submission and while feeling themselves subdued’ to safeguard their existence,” Mr. Ibrahim explained.

According to Fr. Yunis Shawqi, who spoke yesterday to Dostor reporters in Dalga, all Copts in the village",“without exception" are being forced to pay the tax.

“[The] value of the tribute and method of payment differ from one place to another in the village, so that, some are being expected to pay 200 Egyptian pounds per day, others 500 Egyptian pounds per day,” Mr. Shawqi said, according to the translator.

In some cases, families not able to pay have been attacked. As many as 40 Christian families have now fled Dalga, Mr. Ibrahim reported.

The taxes are not unique to Egypt either.

Just over the weekend Syrian rebels went into a Christian man’s “shop and gave him three options: become Muslim; pay $70,000 as a tax levied on non-Muslims, known as jizya; or be killed along with his family,” Christian Science Monitor reported.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/10/egypts-Muslim-brotherhood-convert-islam-or-pay-jiz/#ixzz355yPEeb8
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter


there you go didge

we see Muslims acting in the exact manner they were ordered to - taking the jizya from everyone without exception - both men and women

there is no logical reason to suggest that modern day Muslims are more extreme or more devout than their earlier counterparts, nor is there any evidence that backs up a claim that women were excluded

it gets worse for you if we take into account the fact that households and communities were collectively extorted - meaning everyone paid

i will ask you yet again

the Muslims invaded the non Muslim country

who are the non Muslims paying to be protected from when the only people invading them are Muslims??