Iraq war III...???

by Tommy Monk Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:22 pm

First topic message reminder :

Iraq is breaking up. The Kurds have taken the northern oil city of Kirkuk that they have long claimed as their capital. Sunni fundamentalist fighters vow to capture Baghdad and the Shia holy cities further south.
Government rule over the Sunni Arab heartlands of north and central Iraq is evaporating as its 900,000-strong army disintegrates. Government aircraft have fired missiles at insurgent targets in Mosul, captured by Isis on Monday, but the Iraqi army has otherwise shown no sign of launching a counter-attack.
The nine-year Shia dominance over Iraq, established after the US, Britain and other allies overthrew Saddam Hussein, may be coming to an end. The Shia may continue to hold the capital and the Shia-majority provinces further south, but they will have great difficulty in re-establishing their authority over Sunni provinces from which their army has fled.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-crisis-islamist-militants-warn-battle-will-rage-after-seizing-mosul-and-tikrit-9530899.html

There have been reports that the army have just stripped off uniform dropped weapons and just run away!!!

In Mosul there were supposed to be about 14,000 soldiers and they have run from a couple of thousand militants.

Another thing that gets me, is that when these rebels were in Syria we kept hearing how we should be supporting them, but now they are in Iraq we should be helping fight against them.....!?

by veya_victaous Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:10 am

gerber wrote:Guys/ gals...................

Smelly is right.

It may not be PC to state the bleedin obvious but sometimes a spade is a spade and not a shovel.

They are executing their so called fellow Muslims because they do not agree with the fundamental idealistic views of reverting back to before the middle ages.

NO he is not

they don't call each other fellow Muslims, Only someone with Absolutely no idea would suggest Sunni and Shiite are one. (like saying Protestant and Catholic are the same)

This is a case of Fundamentalist (no different then Smelly) and how they are when they get power and weapons! which is why it is so import to keep power and weapons away from people like smelly. He'd just go and start and UK version on ISIS Evil or Very Mad

MOST Muslims just want to live in Peace, but it is a but hard to do that when a bunch of intolerance racist xenophobic Religious Fundamentalist assholes share your nation Cool

See Iraq and UK basically the same problem too many of the natives are intolerance racist xenophobic assholes Wink

by veya_victaous Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:19 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

Since back before the middle ages....... Like Ireland in the 1960's Rolling Eyes

by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:42 am

Yes, I'm sure the Iraqis are currently feeling enriched by the current lot of north African, Pakistani and Afghan militants who are currently killing their way through there at the moment.....

We currently have a bunch of intolerance racist xenophobic Religious Fundamentalist assholes who have arrived en masse in our nation.....

by veya_victaous Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:56 am

http://www.thevine.com.au/life/news/10-things-brace-yourself-for-senategeddon-20140618-282730/?page=1&utm_source=thevine&utm_medium=pager&utm_campaign=internal-testing

Really Good break down of the politics

Peace, love and understanding: still not funny

Things in Iraq are going very, very badly at the moment with ISIS forces still reportedly making gains toward Baghdad. Meanwhile 44 Sunni prisoners have been reportedly executed by Shia militias in a prison in Baqouba and four young Sunni men were killed and had their bodies dumped in a Baghdad street in a move that probably won't calm things down any.

Just to clarify: "Sunni" and "Shia" are two different strains of Islam that are largely concerned with which line of succession from the prophet Mohammed is the true one (there's a very nice breakdown on the differences between the two here courtesy of NPR).

It's super-easy in the west to shrug and go "why, those crazy Muslims - why are they killing each other over matters of arcane doctrine? Heck, Christians stopped doing that ages ago!" and then shuffling uncomfortably whenever someone says "Northern Ireland".

However, like most things where people start killing each other, there's a little bit more to it. Generally speaking, when people start wars it's over power and wealth - and while the Shia faith is by far the minority (maybe 15% of the world's Muslims are estimated to be Shia), they are the majority of the population in regions around the Persian Gulf. Which, as it happens, are also the areas that have the largest oil reserves. Feel a lightbulb just switch on in your head?

In any case, the Shia-led government of Iraq is struggling to hold back the Sunni forces of ISIS, and these sort of anti-Sunni episodes are obviously going to inflame local tensions. The US, meanwhile, have sighed heavily and committed 275 troops to bolster security in Baghdad. Australia, you might remember, has no plans to put troops in the country, definitely. Probably.

You should probably expect Australian troops to be deployed to Iraq

…since we're also celebrating our union with the US this week, with foreign minister Julie Bishop set to deliver a speech today that re-confirms our BFF status with that most English-speaking of all world superpowers.

It's not just a recommitment to Australia's existing joint projects - including a large role in joint space exploration which is obviously awesome for science (science!), even though it's also obviously about surveillance - but also a nice clear fuck you to anyone who reckons we should be doing more to strengthen ties with China. Former PM Malcolm Fraser, for example.

It's also being seen as a reminder to the US that Australia's it's best and only friend in the region and so it better be nice to us. Ah, international diplomacy: it's like the world's biggest school playground.

What's definitely clear is that Bishop isn't letting patriotism or the wonders of a joint space station colour the intensely bureaucratic language of her speech. "The US and Australia are working closely to further our joint aims in space, just one example of the ability of the alliance to continuously evolve to address new challenges in a changing environment."

Hmm. Needs more synergy.

by veya_victaous Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:59 am

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2007/02/12/7332087/the-origins-of-the-shiite-sunni-split

"Shia believed that leadership should stay within the family of the prophet," notes Gregory Gause, professor of Middle East politics at the University of Vermont. "And thus they were the partisans of Ali, his cousin and son-in-law. Sunnis believed that leadership should fall to the person who was deemed by the elite of the community to be best able to lead the community. And it was fundamentally that political division that began the Sunni-Shia split."

The Sunnis prevailed and chose a successor to be the first caliph.

Eventually, Ali was chosen as the fourth caliph, but not before violent conflict broke out. Two of the earliest caliphs were murdered. War erupted when Ali became caliph, and he too was killed in fighting in the year 661 near the town of Kufa, now in present-day Iraq.

The violence and war split the small community of Muslims into two branches that would never reunite.

by Original Quill Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:19 am

smelly_bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

What did you have in mind, smelly? It's not CNN, as you allege, but it is an amalgam of news stories over the past week or two...plus an on-going situation I have been watching for about ten years.

You want me to perform research beyond that? First, what kind of research of that sort have you performed? Perhaps I could just augment your research. Have you been out in the field interviewing Muslim leaders? Have you been reading up on the history of the Muslim religion? Second, what kind of questions would you ask and what sort of different policy positions would you suggest?

Third, you are still so pissed off that you can't think straight...well, that assumes you ever could think straight. I've just brought your whole perception of the situation tumbling down, and all you can say is it's "boring you?" You must not be very interested in the first place, and that would explain your complete ignorance regarding Muslims...regarding the situation...regarding your own country's politic strategies.

A little message, smelly...thought before action.

Spare me your bullshit quill

How have you deconstructed my perception of the situation ??

How could you??

You don't even know what my understating of the situation is because i haven't given it to you yet

No quill

You are typical of the lefty

You cannot deal with opposition to your positions so you create a straw man argument,assign it to your opposition and then proceed to attack your own creation, whilst fooling yourself into believing you've "beaten" the others

As for Islam??

I've forgotten more about it than you will ever learn, and I don't need CNN to tell me what to think either

Go ahead quill test yourself

Smelly, old poof, you have learned more today than you ever knew. Yesterday all you knew was that Muslims are Muslims and there was allegedly something bad about them. Now, suddenly, you know about Sunnis and Shiites. I haven't deconstructed anything. I've forced you to go to school. You went from zero understanding, with typical RW ignorance, to having to learn something.

gerber wrote:They are executing their so called fellow Muslims because they do not agree with the fundamental idealistic views of reverting back to before the middle ages.

An' gerbs, you sure know how to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Smelly is not saying any such thing. He's not saying anything. He's been beaten up and forced to acknowledge that the situation is more complex than he realized a day ago. Rolling Eyes

Smelly's view of the situation is that Muslims are bad for Christians, and so Muslims are the bad guys. He has no understanding of to complexities that make it dangerous for us--the West--to go in there guns ablazing. There are 1.6 million Muslims in the world, 80% of them are Sunnis and 20% are Shiite. That makes for a dangerous world. He doesn't care about the internal issues. He does not understand the risks. His net understanding of Iraq and Syria is grunts and bowel urges.

by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:32 am

Wait, do RWers still refuse to see the difference between the Shia and the Sunni?

Excellent, I just checked out this thread but some great entertainment to be had, I see.

Bin Laden himself tried very hard to get the Sunni to kill the Shia (essentially, Iran and eastern Iraq):

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/02/binladen.message/

But no, this is fantastic! Maybe if we put it in an easy reader format, some of these RWers will understand Smile

by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:36 am

Original Quill wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

What did you have in mind, smelly? It's not CNN, as you allege, but it is an amalgam of news stories over the past week or two...plus an on-going situation I have been watching for about ten years.

You want me to perform research beyond that? First, what kind of research of that sort have you performed? Perhaps I could just augment your research. Have you been out in the field interviewing Muslim leaders? Have you been reading up on the history of the Muslim religion? Second, what kind of questions would you ask and what sort of different policy positions would you suggest?

Third, you are still so pissed off that you can't think straight...well, that assumes you ever could think straight. I've just brought your whole perception of the situation tumbling down, and all you can say is it's "boring you?" You must not be very interested in the first place, and that would explain your complete ignorance regarding Muslims...regarding the situation...regarding your own country's politic strategies.

A little message, smelly...thought before action.

Spare me your bullshit quill

How have you deconstructed my perception of the situation ??

How could you??

You don't even know what my understating of the situation is because i haven't given it to you yet

No quill

You are typical of the lefty

You cannot deal with opposition to your positions so you create a straw man argument,assign it to your opposition and then proceed to attack your own creation, whilst fooling yourself into believing you've "beaten" the others

As for Islam??

I've forgotten more about it than you will ever learn, and I don't need CNN to tell me what to think either

Go ahead quill test yourself

Smelly, old poof, you have learned more today than you ever knew. Yesterday all you knew was that Muslims are Muslims and there was allegedly something bad about them. Now, suddenly, you know about Sunnis and Shiites. I haven't deconstructed anything. I've forced you to go to school. You went from zero understanding, with typical RW ignorance, to having to learn something.

gerber wrote:They are executing their so called fellow Muslims because they do not agree with the fundamental idealistic views of reverting back to before the middle ages.

An' gerbs, you sure know how to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Smelly is not saying any such thing. He's not saying anything. He's been beaten up and forced to acknowledge that the situation is more complex than he realized a day ago. Smelly's view of the situation is that Muslims are bad for Christians, and so Muslims are the bad guys. He has no understanding of to complexities that make it dangerous for us--the West--to go in there guns ablazing. There are 1.6 million Muslims in the world, 80% of them are Sunnis and 20% are Shiite. That makes for a dangerous world. He doesn't care about the internal issues. He does not understand the risks. His net understanding of Iraq and Syria is grunts and bowel urges.

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Any wonder some Shia would sidle up to the West? When you're outgunned and outnumbered, you look for help from any quarter, no matter how likely.

Amendment -- this is what adults do. I'm too far beyond my childhood to think as a child thinks, I'm afraid ...

by Lone Wolf Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:55 am

I was again unlucky enough to have found yet another of smellybum's early drafts blowing in the wind ~ interesting point here is where smelly is NOW claiming to be a leading world expert on Islam and the Middle East !

AND all despite his all too obvious poor intellect and general lack of education.. Oh, well ~ I suppose everyone needs a hobby...

ENJOY :

smelly_bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

What did you have in mind, smelly? It's not CNN, as you allege, but it is an amalgam of news stories over the past week or two...plus an on-going situation I have been watching for about ten years.

You want me to perform research beyond that? First, what kind of research of that sort have you performed? Perhaps I could just augment your research. Have you been out in the field interviewing Muslim leaders? Have you been reading up on the history of the Muslim religion? Second, what kind of questions would you ask and what sort of different policy positions would you suggest?

Third, you are still so pissed off that you can't think straight...well, that assumes you ever could think straight. I've just brought your whole perception of the situation tumbling down, and all you can say is it's "boring you?" You must not be very interested in the first place, and that would explain your complete ignorance regarding Muslims...regarding the situation...regarding your own country's politic strategies.

A little message, smelly...thought before action.

Spare me our bullshit, forgive me my idiocy quill

How you have deconstructed my perception of the situation !!

How could I??

You don't even know what my understating of the situation is because i haven't given it to you yet

[Blah, blah, blah...]

As for Islam??

You've forgotten more about it than I could ever learn, and I still need CNN and Fox to tell me what to think

Go ahead quill test us right wing loons!

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:49 am

Original Quill wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

Spare me your bullshit quill

How have you deconstructed my perception of the situation ??

How could you??

You don't even know what my understating of the situation is because i haven't given it to you yet

No quill

You are typical of the lefty

You cannot deal with opposition to your positions so you create a straw man argument,assign it to your opposition and then proceed to attack your own creation, whilst fooling yourself into believing you've "beaten" the others

As for Islam??

I've forgotten more about it than you will ever learn, and I don't need CNN to tell me what to think either

Go ahead quill test yourself

Smelly, old poof, you have learned more today than you ever knew. Yesterday all you knew was that Muslims are Muslims and there was allegedly something bad about them. Now, suddenly, you know about Sunnis and Shiites. I haven't deconstructed anything. I've forced you to go to school. You went from zero understanding, with typical RW ignorance, to having to learn something.

gerber wrote:They are executing their so called fellow Muslims because they do not agree with the fundamental idealistic views of reverting back to before the middle ages.

An' gerbs, you sure know how to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Smelly is not saying any such thing. He's not saying anything. He's been beaten up and forced to acknowledge that the situation is more complex than he realized a day ago. Smelly's view of the situation is that Muslims are bad for Christians, and so Muslims are the bad guys. He has no understanding of to complexities that make it dangerous for us--the West--to go in there guns ablazing. There are 1.6 million Muslims in the world, 80% of them are Sunnis and 20% are Shiite. That makes for a dangerous world. He doesn't care about the internal issues. He does not understand the risks. His net understanding of Iraq and Syria is grunts and bowel urges.

1.6 millions Muslims in the world eh??

Now I'm getting lectures from this clown who can't even get the basics right

Good one

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:01 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Wait, do RWers still refuse to see the difference between the Shia and the Sunni?

Excellent, I just checked out this thread but some great entertainment to be had, I see.

Bin Laden himself tried very hard to get the Sunni to kill the Shia (essentially, Iran and eastern Iraq):

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/02/binladen.message/

But no, this is fantastic! Maybe if we put it in an easy reader format, some of these RWers will understand

The difference is irrelevant, and I doubt you even know how Sunnis and Shias came to be (quick google it now and pretend you already knew)

The bottom line is that Isis are true jihadis in the fashion of muhhamad, they kill like he did, they behead like he did and try want what he wanted - an Islamic caliphate governed by sharia law

Sunnis and Shias view each other as "non Muslims" and like all non Muslims must be either forced to convert subjugated or wiped out

Therefore Isis are motivated by islamic doctrine not sectarian hatred, their view is that everyone but them are infidels and kaffir including other Muslim who don't believe exactly as they do

If Iraq was overwhelmingly Christian, we would still be seeing this situation.

So how exactly is it purely a Sunni v Shia conflict??

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:29 pm

Right - seeing as we have so any experts on here - can someone explain to me exactly what parts of the Middle East are sunni and which are shia? Because it confuses the hell out of me...

by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:37 pm

The terrorists in Iraq are a bit like the weather in England...... sometimes its Sunni and other times it's shi-ite!

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:43 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The terrorists in Iraq are a bit like the weather in England...... sometimes its Sunni and other times it's shi-ite!

More like the weather in Ireland - total shi-ite!

by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:50 pm

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:41 pm

Tesstacious wrote:Right - seeing as we have so any experts on here - can someone explain to me exactly what parts of the Middle East are sunni and which are shia? Because it confuses the hell out of me...

There isn't any definitive line as such but Generally speaking Iran is Shia and Saudi Arabia is Sunni,everyone else is a mix and match with some being Shia majority and others being Sunni majority

A lot of the conflict comes from a Sunni majority being ruled by a Shia government and visa versa

by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:55 pm

They can't even agree with each other but share a collective hatred of everyone else....

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:05 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:Right - seeing as we have so any experts on here - can someone explain to me exactly what parts of the Middle East are sunni and which are shia? Because it confuses the hell out of me...

There isn't any definitive line as such but Generally speaking Iran is Shia and Saudi Arabia is Sunni,everyone else is a mix and match with some being Shia majority and others being Sunni majority

A lot of the conflict comes from a Sunni majority being ruled by a Shia government and visa versa

Why can't they all put their heads together and divide up their countries into sunni ones and shia ones?

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:They can't even agree with each other but share a collective hatred of everyone else....

thats the sad thing though

hatred is the only thing they have in common

but its only a few remember Rolling Eyes

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:38 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

There isn't any definitive line as such but Generally speaking Iran is Shia and Saudi Arabia is Sunni,everyone else is a mix and match with some being Shia majority and others being Sunni majority

A lot of the conflict comes from a Sunni majority being ruled by a Shia government and visa versa
Why can't they all put their heads together and divide up their countries into sunni ones and shia ones?

for the simple fact that the sunnis see the shias and visa versa as being "non Muslim"

have you ever known a Muslim to be reasonable and tolerant of others??

I haven't, so it would be like saying "why cant we just have Muslims there and non Muslims here and lets leave it like that"

Muslims cannot do that, they are religiously obliged to spread and enforce Islam, it of course escapes their collectively limited intellect that they are enforcing Islam on their co-religionists

on the bright side, Muslims are reducing their own numbers nicely, so i say lets have an uber sectarian war in the ME between the muzzies

dead Muslims no matter which way it swings??

liking them odds

by Original Quill Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:03 pm

smelly bandit wrote:1.6 millions Muslims in the world eh??

You got that right...but for a typo I would have said "billion."

That's all ya got?

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly bandit wrote:1.6 millions Muslims in the world eh??

do i need any more??

here is a tip

if you insist on climbing up on your soapbox to preach at us, then the least you can do is fact check yourself

its kinda hard to take you seriously when your raging on about how much you know about Muslims and Islam and then come out this bollox

sure pal

by Original Quill Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:23 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

do i need any more??

here is a tip

if you insist on climbing up on your soapbox to preach at us, then the least you can do is fact check yourself

its kinda hard to take you seriously when your raging on about how much you know about Muslims and Islam and then come out this bollox

sure pal

I see you have been all over google in the last two days, to become what Tess calls a resident expert.

Yet, despite your immense recent education, you still have an 'insert here' understanding...ya know, as in "Iraq is mostly [insert here:'Muslim']"...and "Muslims are [insert here: 'bad']"...and "we should [insert here: 'hate them']...so that "the world would be [insert here: 'better off']."

Praise allah...the world is safe.

by scrat Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:26 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

There isn't any definitive line as such but Generally speaking Iran is Shia and Saudi Arabia is Sunni,everyone else is a mix and match with some being Shia majority and others being Sunni majority

A lot of the conflict comes from a Sunni majority being ruled by a Shia government and visa versa
Why can't they all put their heads together and divide up their countries into sunni ones and shia ones?

Because Tess the trick is to coexist together, and this is the challenge for all humanity.

The greatest fear of the RWhinge, is a world of peace and tolerance, this is something they dread. For fraggles like Smelly they've been plying their racism and hatred for humanity for many years, for the smelly one it's his mission in this life to promote fear and loathing, it's what he does, he enjoys the pain and suffering inflicted on others, it turns him on. Maybe it's because he was born into it, and as apartheid ended he like all RWhinge coward ran away, shitbagged out of SA, to continue such treacherous activities here in Blighty, as an ungrateful immigrant.

It is interesting to note however, that he has progressed somewhat recently, as he finally accepts that not all Muslims are the same, it's taken a while for him to discover such an epiphany, small steps but steps forward none the less.

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:50 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

do i need any more??

here is a tip

if you insist on climbing up on your soapbox to preach at us, then the least you can do is fact check yourself

its kinda hard to take you seriously when your raging on about how much you know about Muslims and Islam and then come out this bollox

sure pal

I see you have been all over google in the last two days, to become what Tess calls a resident expert.

Yet, despite your immense recent education, you still have an 'insert here' understanding...ya know, as in "Iraq is mostly [insert here:'Muslim']"...and "Muslims are [insert here: 'bad']"...and "we should [insert here: 'hate them']...so that "the world would be [insert here: 'better off']."

Praise allah...the world is safe.

projecting again are we quill??

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:52 pm

scrat wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
Why can't they all put their heads together and divide up their countries into sunni ones and shia ones?
Because Tess the trick is to coexist together, and this is the challenge for all humanity.

The greatest fear of the RWhinge, is a world of peace and tolerance, this is something they dread. For fraggles like Smelly they've been plying their racism and hatred for humanity for many years, for the smelly one it's his mission in this life to promote fear and loathing, it's what he does, he enjoys the pain and suffering inflicted on others, it turns him on. Maybe it's because he was born into it, and as apartheid ended he like all RWhinge coward ran away, shitbagged out of SA, to continue such treacherous activities here in Blighty, as an ungrateful immigrant.

It is interesting to note however, that he has progressed somewhat recently, as he finally accepts that not all Muslims are the same, it's taken a while for him to discover such an epiphany, small steps but steps forward none the less.

always good to be appreciated scat

by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:58 pm

Quill, seriously mate, smelly knows what he's talking about and don't need Google or anything else!!!

by Original Quill Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:59 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I see you have been all over google in the last two days, to become what Tess calls a resident expert.

Yet, despite your immense recent education, you still have an 'insert here' understanding...ya know, as in "Iraq is mostly [insert here:'Muslim']"...and "Muslims are [insert here: 'bad']"...and "we should [insert here: 'hate them']...so that "the world would be [insert here: 'better off']."

Praise allah...the world is safe.

projecting again are we quill??

You needn't be defensive, smelly. Along with google, you need an open mind...else you'll only go so far. Now that you have more than a one-dimensional appreciation of Islam, start developing some appreciation for their situation.

by Original Quill Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:03 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Quill, seriously mate, smelly knows what he's talking about and don't need Google or anything else!!!

Point taken, Tommy. But it's really irrelevant where he got the knowledge...as long as he has it.

What I have said above still applies. Now that he understands the situation, real analysis begins by stepping into the shoes of others.

by scrat Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:35 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
scrat wrote:
Because Tess the trick is to coexist together, and this is the challenge for all humanity.

The greatest fear of the RWhinge, is a world of peace and tolerance, this is something they dread. For fraggles like Smelly they've been plying their racism and hatred for humanity for many years, for the smelly one it's his mission in this life to promote fear and loathing, it's what he does, he enjoys the pain and suffering inflicted on others, it turns him on. Maybe it's because he was born into it, and as apartheid ended he like all RWhinge coward ran away, shitbagged out of SA, to continue such treacherous activities here in Blighty, as an ungrateful immigrant.

It is interesting to note however, that he has progressed somewhat recently, as he finally accepts that not all Muslims are the same, it's taken a while for him to discover such an epiphany, small steps but steps forward none the less.

always good to be appreciated scat

You're most welcome Smelly, I'm pleasantly surprised with your recent conversion towards some semblance of understanding, the reality that humans are diverse is a small step for mankind, but a massive leap forward for you.

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:13 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Quill, seriously mate, smelly knows what he's talking about and don't need Google or anything else!!!

Point taken, Tommy. But it's really irrelevant where he got the knowledge...as long as he has it.

What I have said above still applies. Now that he understands the situation, real analysis begins by stepping into the shoes of others.

I understand the situation a lot better than you do quill and have done for years and that understanding of Islam and the Muslim dynamic has been defined as "islamophobic" for years.

the very idiots who are only now saying saddam was the lesser of the two evils, were condemning me for saying the same things years ago

unlike yourself, ive had an exposed life and have visited all the places now threatened by isis, from basra to tikrit to kurdistan, ive been to them all have you??

so dont make me laugh with all your big timing of "stepping in the shoes of others"

you're projecting your lack of knowledge onto me because lets face it, normally you're crying your little eyes out about Americans carrying guns, now suddenly you're an expert on islam and the Iraq situation??/

if any here has been frantically googling like a gooden its you matey boy, not me,i started my research the day the first plane smashed into the trade center

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:17 pm

scrat wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

always good to be appreciated scat

You're most welcome Smelly, I'm pleasantly surprised with your recent conversion towards some semblance of understanding, the reality that humans are diverse is a small step for mankind, but a massive leap forward for you.

lol

the audacity is amazing scat, you clearly have no shame at all.

ive been trying to tell you that not all Muslims are the same for years but gave up when despite telling you to your face you continued to hear only what you wanted.

if its take you this long to understand that part of my view, i can only imagine it will take an even longer period to understand the even more complex issue of my whole argument.

but here is the thing scat, your good friend didge needs your lecturing more than i do since he repeatedly tars all Muslims with the same brush

doesn't he

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:29 pm

Ah the daft methodology of smell which he fails to see would mean all religions are bad and evil and never seems to understand.

History shows that when ever religious and political elites rule, the same thing happens time and again, he ignores the fact it did in the west for centuries and that this happens. Now the west is not ruled by religious and political elites but if it did the same would happen again.

This will not happen because most people do not take the Bible as the literal word of God anymore, when they did and still do you have you have people who are extremists, so really the question should be then that clearly it is religion that is bad full stop.

How anyone can claim this is not the case when you read the Abrahamic faiths shows they are not only ignorant but one short of a feather flying over the cuckoo nest.

by scrat Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:45 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
scrat wrote:
You're most welcome Smelly, I'm pleasantly surprised with your recent conversion towards some semblance of understanding, the reality that humans are diverse is a small step for mankind, but a massive leap forward for you.

lol

the audacity is amazing scat, you clearly have no shame at all.

ive been trying to tell you that not all Muslims are the same for years but gave up when despite telling you to your face you continued to hear only what you wanted.

if its take you this long to understand that part of my view, i can only imagine it will take an even longer period to understand the even more complex issue of my whole argument.

but here is the thing scat, your good friend didge needs your lecturing more than i do since he repeatedly tars all Muslims with the same brush

doesn't he

Chillax, you're not pinko Smelly quite yet!,,,,,nevertheless some modicum of credit is due, because for years and years you've been shaking at stick at Muslims, bleating inanely whilst attempting to promote the lie that all Muslims are the same.

The fact that you've accepted the diverse nature of every ethnicity is a cause for some celebration, well done.

by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:55 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Quill, seriously mate, smelly knows what he's talking about and don't need Google or anything else!!!
Point taken, Tommy. But[ca] it's really irrelevant where he got the knowledge[/b]...as long as he has it.
What I have said above still applies.Now that he understands the situation, real analysis begins by stepping into the shoes of others.

Quill, smelly is not a newcomer in his knowledge and understanding, I am sure of that.
What he says might be unpalatable to some but the truth sometimes is hard to take if it is not what you want to hear.
I am in no doubt that smelly is talking from a position of experience.

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:02 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
Point taken, Tommy. But[ca] it's really irrelevant where he got the knowledge[/b]...as long as he has it.
What I have said above still applies.Now that he understands the situation, real analysis begins by stepping into the shoes of others.
Quill, smelly is not a newcomer in his knowledge and understanding, I am sure of that.
What he says might be unpalatable to some but the truth sometimes is hard to take if it is not what you want to hear.
I am in no doubt that smelly is talking from a position of experience.

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

You mean he was a Muslim then?

by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:18 pm

You claim to know a lot about Islam so does that mean you are a Muslim too then...???

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:39 pm

lol I have never claimed to understand Islam from a position of experince but knowledge.You must think he was a Muslim ha ha

by Irn Bru Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:13 pm

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
Point taken, Tommy. But[ca] it's really irrelevant where he got the knowledge[/b]...as long as he has it.
What I have said above still applies.Now that he understands the situation, real analysis begins by stepping into the shoes of others.
Quill, smelly is not a newcomer in his knowledge and understanding, I am sure of that.
What he says might be unpalatable to some but the truth sometimes is hard to take if it is not what you want to hear.
I am in no doubt that smelly is talking from a position of experience.
://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

You mean he was a Muslim then?

Iraq war III...??? - Page 3 Hearty-laugh

You mean he was a Muslim then?

What a corker Didge

by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:37 pm

scrat wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

lol

the audacity is amazing scat, you clearly have no shame at all.

ive been trying to tell you that not all Muslims are the same for years but gave up when despite telling you to your face you continued to hear only what you wanted.

if its take you this long to understand that part of my view, i can only imagine it will take an even longer period to understand the even more complex issue of my whole argument.

but here is the thing scat, your good friend didge needs your lecturing more than i do since he repeatedly tars all Muslims with the same brush

doesn't he

Chillax, you're not pinko Smelly quite yet!,,,,,nevertheless some modicum of credit is due, because for years and years you've been shaking at stick at Muslims, bleating inanely whilst attempting to promote the lie that all Muslims are the same.

The fact that you've accepted the diverse nature of every ethnicity is a cause for some celebration, well done.

Well scat

I think we have arrived at the source of your confusion

I have never shaken the stick at "Muslims", why would I? They are nothing more tag a symptom

the stick has only been shaken at ISLAM

Now perhaps we will have wait several more years before the penny drops and you comprehend the difference between a person and a religious doctrine??

To be honest scat, I do believe that you have had a wake up call of sorts but considering you now have to fabricate my standpoint suggests that you've had an "oh fuck smelly was right all along" moment

But of course you have committed too much of yourself to opposing me(even the straw man me) that you cannot extricate yourself from the hol you have been digging for years

Anyway back to didge, you need to talk to him because he always says all Muslims are the same, I have to constantly tell him not to generalise

You should concentrate on him

by scrat Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:25 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
scrat wrote:
Chillax, you're not pinko Smelly quite yet!,,,,,nevertheless some modicum of credit is due, because for years and years you've been shaking at stick at Muslims, bleating inanely whilst attempting to promote the lie that all Muslims are the same.

The fact that you've accepted the diverse nature of every ethnicity is a cause for some celebration, well done.

Well scat

I think we have arrived at the source of your confusion

I have never shaken the stick at "Muslims", why would I? They are nothing more tag a symptom

the stick has only been shaken at ISLAM

Now perhaps we will have wait several more years before the penny drops and you comprehend the difference between a person and a religious doctrine??

To be honest scat, I do believe that you have had a wake up call of sorts but considering you now have to fabricate my standpoint suggests that you've had an "oh fuck smelly was right all along" moment

But of course you have committed too much of yourself to opposing me(even the straw man me) that you cannot extricate yourself from the hol you have been digging for years

Anyway back to didge, you need to talk to him because he always says all Muslims are the same, I have to constantly tell him not to generalise

You should concentrate on him

You've tried to bring Didge into our discussion twice now, a rather peculiar action on your part, as Didge is as equally aware of your disgusting racist, fascist and often homophobic ways as are most of the posters on here.

But let's not digress into your history of supporting child murderers, terrorists and racist thugs and expand for one moment on your new found logic regarding the diversity of the human race.

As you've accepted that the majority of Muslims interpret life and religion much as we do, and as one can see the struggle for democracy is never easy,,,,perhaps you should move forward a tad further and ask yourself the question,,,what gain do you bring by spouting your hatred for your fellow human being?

by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:57 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:
://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:
You mean he was a Muslim then?
You mean he was a Muslim then?
What a corker Didge

Hardly a corker at all, just more stupidity in fact.

Using the same logic, you can only have a good knowledge And understanding of banana trees if you used to be a banana....

You can only have a good knowledge And understanding of fish if you used to be a trout....

Idiots!

by Irn Bru Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:02 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:
://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:
You mean he was a Muslim then?
You mean he was a Muslim then?
What a corker Didge

Hardly a corker at all, just more stupidity in fact.

Using the same logic, you can only have a good knowledge And understanding of banana trees if you used to be a banana....

You can only have a good knowledge And understanding of fish if you used to be a trout....

Idiots!

It was cracker of a post and probably the best comeback I have seen in a long time.

Anyway, it's late and I suppose that like most other people you have work in the morning so I'll bid you a very good night.

Laughing

by Guest Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:55 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Hardly a corker at all, just more stupidity in fact.

Using the same logic, you can only have a good knowledge And understanding of banana trees if you used to be a banana....

You can only have a good knowledge And understanding of fish if you used to be a trout....

Idiots!

It was cracker of a post and probably the best comeback I have seen in a long time.

Anyway, it's late and I suppose that like most other people you have work in the morning so I'll bid you a very good night.

Hee hee, it was funny, he walked right into that one and how he can even think smelly knows so much when he thinks I think all Muslims are the same?

Wow, he just invents things as he goes along.
The pair of them really should not be let out on day release, because the pair of them are both unhinged loons, quite delusional their thinking. Smelly never grasps that it is where within those who take the literal meaning of a religious book where danger can spell, no matter the faith throughout history, of course many will not carry out any wrongs, but some take the belief they have to act out what they think is divine commands, thus to me if one religion is a danger, then they would all be thus the same through such logic.

by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:15 pm

More waffle.....

by Guest Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:18 pm

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

It was cracker of a post and probably the best comeback I have seen in a long time.

Anyway, it's late and I suppose that like most other people you have work in the morning so I'll bid you a very good night.

Hee hee, it was funny, he walked right into that one and how he can even think smelly knows so much when he thinks I think all Muslims are the same?

Wow, he just invents things as he goes along.
The pair of them really should not be let out on day release, because the pair of them are both unhinged loons, quite delusional their thinking. Smelly never grasps that it is where within those who take the literal meaning of a religious book where danger can spell, no matter the faith throughout history, of course many will not carry out any wrongs, but some take the belief they have to act out what they think is divine commands, thus to me if one religion is a danger, then they would all be thus the same through such logic.

of course you think all Muslims are the same didge

have you not used the argument "if the qur'an says XYZ then all Muslims would be doing XYZ"

in fact its your favorite argument you always use when i post Islamic scripture to prove a certain point, and it relise entirely on the idea that ALL Muslims (your words) are the same

by Guest Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:14 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

Hee hee, it was funny, he walked right into that one and how he can even think smelly knows so much when he thinks I think all Muslims are the same?

Wow, he just invents things as he goes along.
The pair of them really should not be let out on day release, because the pair of them are both unhinged loons, quite delusional their thinking. Smelly never grasps that it is where within those who take the literal meaning of a religious book where danger can spell, no matter the faith throughout history, of course many will not carry out any wrongs, but some take the belief they have to act out what they think is divine commands, thus to me if one religion is a danger, then they would all be thus the same through such logic.

of course you think all Muslims are the same didge

have you not used the argument "if the qur'an says XYZ then all Muslims would be doing XYZ"

in fact its your favorite argument you always use when i post Islamic scripture to prove a certain point, and it relise entirely on the idea that ALL Muslims (your words) are the same

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Really that is news to me, more invented bullshit from smelly, more proof he is an unhinged loon, because I have argued many times how Muslim interpret verses different as you do all the time, so sorry to burst your bubble, but have just easily exposed your poor lie

by Guest Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:21 pm

not surprising didge

wouldn't be the first time you have dropped your own argument like a hot potato

you have repeatedly and loudly said to me "if the qur'an commands Muslims to wage war then why aren't ALL Muslims doing this" in response to sura 9:29

that is your logic to defend the qur'an and try pretend it doenst order Muslims to wage war

if you want to backtrack and distance yourself from your own argument, it simply makes things easier for me didge

because now you're in the corner and have no choice but to acknowledge that the qur'an is violent regardless of whether Muslims are or not

either way im happy

by Guest Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:24 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:not surprising didge

wouldn't be the first time you have dropped your own argument like a hot potato

you have repeatedly and loudly said to me "if the qur'an commands Muslims to wage war then why aren't ALL Muslims doing this" in response to sura 9:29

that is your logic to defend the qur'an and try pretend it doenst order Muslims to wage war

if you want to backtrack and distance yourself from your own argument, it simply makes things easier for me didge

because now you're in the corner and have no choice but to acknowledge that the qur'an is violent regardless of whether Muslims are or not

either way im happy

I do not defend the Quran I always correct your mistakes on the verses, so hence why your illogical X, Y, Z theory is utter gobbledygook.

So no back tracking and you are just making poor claims because you always get shown up, and easily done so each time. I have argued countless times that all 3 Abrahamic religious works are violent with the Bible being 10 times worse, you though make excuses for the bible, so yet more proof you just make things up as you go along

You are never happy until you will see an all out war on all Muslims

by Guest Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:33 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:not surprising didge

wouldn't be the first time you have dropped your own argument like a hot potato

you have repeatedly and loudly said to me "if the qur'an commands Muslims to wage war then why aren't ALL Muslims doing this" in response to sura 9:29

that is your logic to defend the qur'an and try pretend it doenst order Muslims to wage war

if you want to backtrack and distance yourself from your own argument, it simply makes things easier for me didge

because now you're in the corner and have no choice but to acknowledge that the qur'an is violent regardless of whether Muslims are or not

either way im happy

I do not defend the Quran I always correct your mistakes on the verses, so hence why your illogical X, Y, Z theory is utter gobbledygook.

So no back tracking and you are just making poor claims because you always get shown up, and easily done so each time. I have argued countless times that all 3 Abrahamic religious works are violent with the Bible being 10 times worse, you though make excuses for the bible, so yet more proof you just make things up as you go along

You are never happy until you will see an all out war on all Muslims

im already seeing an all out war didge

Muslims are smashing the shit out of each other and let me tell you fella, it sure makes all warm and fuzzy knowing Muslim blood is running red in the streets of Iraq, shit i aint been in this good a mood since i was last in Afghanistan

anyway, didge i see you're running scared so ill have to either dig up some of your old quotes or force you to contradict yourself

how would you like to be made a fool of??

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