Iraq war III...???

by Tommy Monk Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:22 pm

First topic message reminder :

Iraq is breaking up. The Kurds have taken the northern oil city of Kirkuk that they have long claimed as their capital. Sunni fundamentalist fighters vow to capture Baghdad and the Shia holy cities further south.
Government rule over the Sunni Arab heartlands of north and central Iraq is evaporating as its 900,000-strong army disintegrates. Government aircraft have fired missiles at insurgent targets in Mosul, captured by Isis on Monday, but the Iraqi army has otherwise shown no sign of launching a counter-attack.
The nine-year Shia dominance over Iraq, established after the US, Britain and other allies overthrew Saddam Hussein, may be coming to an end. The Shia may continue to hold the capital and the Shia-majority provinces further south, but they will have great difficulty in re-establishing their authority over Sunni provinces from which their army has fled.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-crisis-islamist-militants-warn-battle-will-rage-after-seizing-mosul-and-tikrit-9530899.html

There have been reports that the army have just stripped off uniform dropped weapons and just run away!!!

In Mosul there were supposed to be about 14,000 soldiers and they have run from a couple of thousand militants.

Another thing that gets me, is that when these rebels were in Syria we kept hearing how we should be supporting them, but now they are in Iraq we should be helping fight against them.....!?

by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:26 pm

the qur'an and Muhammad ARE the beginnings of Islam

by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:28 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:the qur'an and Muhammad ARE the beginnings of Islam

So show the evidence from the beginnings Of Islam that women had to pay the Jiyza?

by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:43 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:the qur'an and Muhammad ARE the beginnings of Islam

So show the evidence from the beginnings Of Islam that women had to pay the Jiyza?

the evidence is in the verse that stipulates "those who believe not" ie non Muslims ie men and women non Muslims

there is no evidence that Muhammad excluded women from the jizya and we see the likes of ISIS and the MB in Egypt taxing everyone, and since ISIS etc are not acting out of line with Islamic scripture we can only conclude that everyone was taxed by Muslims

you're argument to the opposite is based on speculation and supposition, you have no basis for your views apart from a desire that its true, rather like usual you are relying on shouting the loudest and longest to "win"

as always didge you prove the saying "the emptiest vessels makes the loudest noise"

by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:44 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

So show the evidence from the beginnings Of Islam that women had to pay the Jiyza?

the evidence is in the verse that stipulates "those who believe not" ie non Muslims ie men and women non Muslims

there is no evidence that Muhammad excluded women from the jizya and we see the likes of ISIS and the MB in Egypt taxing everyone, and since ISIS etc are not acting out of line with Islamic scripture we can only conclude that everyone was taxed by Muslims

you're argument to the opposite is based on speculation and supposition, you have no basis for your views apart from a desire that its true, rather like usual you are relying on shouting the loudest and longest to "win"

as always didge you prove the saying "the emptiest vessels makes the loudest noise"

That is not evidence, as seen this is broken down to who has to pay.

Not sure how many more times you will go on without posting your evidence

So post your evidence

by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:32 am

the evidence has been posted a dozen times and more

there is no earlier evidence than the qur'an and Muhammad

you're the only one who seems to think that Muhammads actions and words don't matter

you're the only one who seems to think Muhammad isn't the founder of Islam

your tactic is now one of deny and repeat

you have nowhere to go from here so all you do is deny deny deny

im not here to convince you of anything didge, i don't care if you live in a fantasy world

im simply posting the reality of the situation and making it known how brutal and barbaric Muslims are to non Muslims

by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:00 am

Still no evidence.

Try again

by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:19 am

point proven

by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:20 am

Still no evidence

Try again

by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:47 pm

predict didge will say

Still no evidence

Try again

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:27 am

Mosul, Iraq (AINA) -- The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has begun to brutally enforce Islamic laws (AINA 2014-06-14) in Mosul, Iraq, which it overran on June 10.

Dr. Sallama Al Khafaji, a member of the Iraq High Commission for Human Rights, told AINA that on Saturday, June 21 ISIS began demanding a poll tax (jizya) from Christians in Mosul (AINA 2014-06-21). In one instance, ISIS members entered the home of an Assyrian family in Mosul and demanded the poll tax (jizya). When the Assyrian family said they did not have the money, three ISIS members raped the mother and daughter in front of the husband and father. The husband and father was so traumatized that he committed suicide.

"The Christians have told me that they cannot pay this tax," said Dr. Al-Khafaji, "and they say 'what am I to do, shall I kill myself?'"

According to the Arabic language website Alghadeer, four Christian women were shot and killed by ISIS members because they were not wearing veils. AINA has not confirmed this and this website is known to be administered by Shiites.

http://www.aina.org/news/20140623185542.htm

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:29 am

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) militants are hunting for wives as they battle control of Iraq's major oil refinery outside Baiji, north of Baghdad.

The militants are going door to door as they inquire about married and unmarried women in the houses, The Independent reports.

"I told them that there were only two women in the house and both were married. They said that many of their mujahedin [fighters] were unmarried and wanted a wife. They insisted on coming into my house to look at the women's ID cards [which in Iraq show marital status]," Abu Lahid said.

The militants are terrorising not just the unmarried women but even those who were already married.

A woman and his husband was reportedly whipped as the woman was seen wearing a headscarf and not the niqqab cloak that hides the whole body.

The militants had also imposed severe rules on women's acceptable clothing and rules against women watching television and smoking in coffee shops.

The men who joined resistance against them were crucified.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/556817/20140624/iraq-crisis-human-rights-watch-isis.htm#.U6vZTLGmXp8

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:59 am

Hilarious, after 9 pages he still cannot produce evidence from the beginnings of Islam to back his claim.

Love it.

Try again

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:15 am

Islamic scholars condemn jihadist tax on Syrian Christians

Syrians of all sects and Islamic scholars are decrying new rules imposed by the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL) in al-Raqa which call for Christians to pay "jizya" tax and hold religious rituals behind closed doors in return for their safety.

Last week, ISIL posted a list of 12 rules on jihadist forums and social networking sites, saying they apply to Christians in al-Raqa, which is under the control of the al-Qaeda-inspired group.

Al-Raqa resident Mahmoud Leila, a Muslim, said he is now ashamed to face his Christian neighbour.

"How will I be able to interact with him as before?" he asked. "I feel true shame and disgrace from the actions of these groups."

"This matter is condemned by the people of al-Raqa, and by Muslims before Christians because it is offensive to the beautiful history among the people, to Islam and Muslims, as well as the Syrian revolution," he told Al-Shorfa.

Leila, who previously owned a building supplies store but is now out of work, said some prominent figures and elders tried to negotiate with ISIL to stop the tax, but were told unequivocally that "any al-Raqa resident who opposes the imposition of sharia will be considered an apostate and God's sharia will be applied to him".

The rules obligate every wealthy Christian man to pay 17 grams of gold, a middle-income Christian man to pay half that amount and every lower-income Christian man to pay a quarter of that.

They also prohibit the construction of churches and convents, the display of Christian symbols such as crosses outside churches, the ringing of church bells and public prayer.

The rules ban Christians from consuming alcohol in public, selling alcohol or pork to Muslims, from "carrying out hostile actions against ISIL" and from deviating from the sharia dress code.

CHURCH BELLS, CALL TO PRAYER 'OFTEN ROSE TOGETHER'

"I never imagined that I would one day be subjected to what they call the provisions of Islamic sharia in this manner, which is more like imprisonment, suppression of personal freedoms and prohibition of the expression of religious beliefs," said Semaan al-Mallouhi, a retired Christian resident of al-Raqa.

The relationship between Christians and Muslims in al-Raqa and its environs is based on mutual respect, he told Al-Shorfa.

"No Muslim had once complained about the sound of church bells nor had a Christian complained about the call to prayer via loudspeakers, but rather the sounds often rose together when a city resident passed away, be he Muslim or Christian," he added.

Al-Mallouhi said the restrictions on Christians in al-Raqa began last year with the arrival of extremist Islamist groups, including ISIL and Jabhat al-Nusra (JAN), in the city.

In September, ISIL fighters entered the Greek Catholic Church of Our Lady of the Annunciation and torched its religious furnishings, AFP reported.

They did the same at the Armenian Catholic Church of the Martyrs, also in al-Raqa, and destroyed a cross atop its clock tower, the news agency said.

Al-Raqa was once home to more than 300 Christian families, but "now that number has dropped dramatically to no more than 50 families", al-Mallouhi said.

In past months al-Raqa received many Syrian Christians fleeing areas such as Deir Ezzor, al-Qamishli, al-Hasakeh and Ras al-Ain and seeking safety in the city, he said.

ISIL has exploited their circumstances by offering them protection for money under the cover of "jizya", al-Mallouhi said.

'JIZYA' HAS NO PLACE IN A MODERN CIVIL STATE

The imposition of "jizya" on Christians in Syria is nothing but "a new fad, one of many launched by terrorist groups stemming from al-Qaeda, which have no legal authority to issue such edicts and rulings", said Sheikh Abdul Zahir Shehata, a lecturer at Egypt's Al-Azhar faculty of sharia and law.

This imposition is "a form of theft that uses religion as a cover", Shehata told Al-Shorfa.

"Jizya" is not a pillar of Islamic law, he said: It emerged during the Islamic expansion era and was paid by non-Muslims who were capable of fighting in return for protection, while zakat was collected from Muslims, with proceeds going to the Muslim treasury where public funds were held.

"ISIL contradicts itself," Shehata said. "On the one hand they say they are implementing the provisions of Islamic sharia, including the 'jizya', however the Islamic state must be a full-fledged state and recognised by its citizens and subjects, which is not the case in the areas where ISIL is imposing its control by force and bloodshed."

"Jizya" runs contrary to the modern civil state, which takes all people under its wing and whose principles are based on justice and equality amongst all regardless of race or religion, he said.

"The imposition of 'jizya' under these circumstances and conditions is unacceptable by sharia, and whoever does it is merely forcing people to pay money in a manner that is more like the protection rackets gangsters impose on people in the areas under their control," he said.

The Rev. François Habib, a priest from al-Mansoura in al-Raqa province who is residing in Amman, Jordan, said al-Raqa is not the only region in which "jizya" has been imposed on Christians.

It also was imposed in al-Hasakeh where ISIL seized control in November, he said.

"Unfortunately, armed takfiri groups launched assaults on Christians, especially in al-Qamishli, Damascus, Tartous, Yabrud, Homs, Aleppo, al-Raqa and Maaloula," he told Al-Shorfa.

"It is unfortunate these things are happening in Syria, for Christians make up 10% of the total population and are spread throughout Syria and integrated into the fabric of Syrian society, to such an extent that the Christian is indistinguishable from the Muslim," he said.

http://al-shorfa.com/en_GB/articles/meii/features/2014/03/04/feature-01

Interesting, so more damning evidence against smelly and many Islamic scholars condemning this.

by Lone Wolf Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:10 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
"...Government rule over the Sunni Arab heartlands of north and central Iraq is evaporating as its 900,000-strong army disintegrates.."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-crisis-islamist-militants-warn-battle-will-rage-after-seizing-mosul-and-tikrit-9530899.html

Mine was from a comparative site If you go there is say how many tank etc and rates moral and fighting capacity. Iraq is potentially strong but internal division means it may not be able to coordinate the military resources.

The only way you could get close to 900,000 is by including the reservists

"TOMMY MONK" is such an ignorant fool...

AND seems to be getting more stupid (and senile ?) by the day..

DOES anybody on here really believe all of his fantasy Army career tales anymore, after the way he keeps tripping himself up on issues like this ?

MORE likely he did his three years, and left quietly without having learnt anything.. bounce

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:36 pm

the Christians in Muslim countries are being treated like the Jews of Nazi German by Muslim jihadis, and didge defends them

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:37 pm

Didge wrote:Hilarious, after 9 pages he still cannot produce evidence from the beginnings of Islam to back his claim.

Love it.

Try again

see folks??

i predicted exactly what didges next reply to me would be

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:38 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Mine was from a comparative site If you go there is say how many tank etc and rates moral and fighting capacity. Iraq is potentially strong but internal division means it may not be able to coordinate the military resources.

The only way you could get close to 900,000 is by including the reservists

"TOMMY MONK" is such an ignorant fool...

AND seems to be getting more stupid (and senile ?) by the day..

DOES anybody on here really believe all of his fantasy Army career tales anymore, after the way he keeps tripping himself up on issues like this ?

MORE likely he did his three years, and left quietly without having learnt anything..

hey nude bushwalker boy

shut it

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:27 pm

Didge wrote:Islamic scholars condemn jihadist tax on Syrian Christians

Syrians of all sects and Islamic scholars are decrying new rules imposed by the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL) in al-Raqa which call for Christians to pay "jizya" tax and hold religious rituals behind closed doors in return for their safety.

Last week, ISIL posted a list of 12 rules on jihadist forums and social networking sites, saying they apply to Christians in al-Raqa, which is under the control of the al-Qaeda-inspired group.

Al-Raqa resident Mahmoud Leila, a Muslim, said he is now ashamed to face his Christian neighbour.

"How will I be able to interact with him as before?" he asked. "I feel true shame and disgrace from the actions of these groups."

"This matter is condemned by the people of al-Raqa, and by Muslims before Christians because it is offensive to the beautiful history among the people, to Islam and Muslims, as well as the Syrian revolution," he told Al-Shorfa.

Leila, who previously owned a building supplies store but is now out of work, said some prominent figures and elders tried to negotiate with ISIL to stop the tax, but were told unequivocally that "any al-Raqa resident who opposes the imposition of sharia will be considered an apostate and God's sharia will be applied to him".

The rules obligate every wealthy Christian man to pay 17 grams of gold, a middle-income Christian man to pay half that amount and every lower-income Christian man to pay a quarter of that.

They also prohibit the construction of churches and convents, the display of Christian symbols such as crosses outside churches, the ringing of church bells and public prayer.

The rules ban Christians from consuming alcohol in public, selling alcohol or pork to Muslims, from "carrying out hostile actions against ISIL" and from deviating from the sharia dress code.

CHURCH BELLS, CALL TO PRAYER 'OFTEN ROSE TOGETHER'

"I never imagined that I would one day be subjected to what they call the provisions of Islamic sharia in this manner, which is more like imprisonment, suppression of personal freedoms and prohibition of the expression of religious beliefs," said Semaan al-Mallouhi, a retired Christian resident of al-Raqa.

The relationship between Christians and Muslims in al-Raqa and its environs is based on mutual respect, he told Al-Shorfa.

"No Muslim had once complained about the sound of church bells nor had a Christian complained about the call to prayer via loudspeakers, but rather the sounds often rose together when a city resident passed away, be he Muslim or Christian," he added.

Al-Mallouhi said the restrictions on Christians in al-Raqa began last year with the arrival of extremist Islamist groups, including ISIL and Jabhat al-Nusra (JAN), in the city.

In September, ISIL fighters entered the Greek Catholic Church of Our Lady of the Annunciation and torched its religious furnishings, AFP reported.

They did the same at the Armenian Catholic Church of the Martyrs, also in al-Raqa, and destroyed a cross atop its clock tower, the news agency said.

Al-Raqa was once home to more than 300 Christian families, but "now that number has dropped dramatically to no more than 50 families", al-Mallouhi said.

In past months al-Raqa received many Syrian Christians fleeing areas such as Deir Ezzor, al-Qamishli, al-Hasakeh and Ras al-Ain and seeking safety in the city, he said.

ISIL has exploited their circumstances by offering them protection for money under the cover of "jizya", al-Mallouhi said.

'JIZYA' HAS NO PLACE IN A MODERN CIVIL STATE

The imposition of "jizya" on Christians in Syria is nothing but "a new fad, one of many launched by terrorist groups stemming from al-Qaeda, which have no legal authority to issue such edicts and rulings", said Sheikh Abdul Zahir Shehata, a lecturer at Egypt's Al-Azhar faculty of sharia and law.

This imposition is "a form of theft that uses religion as a cover", Shehata told Al-Shorfa.

"Jizya" is not a pillar of Islamic law, he said: It emerged during the Islamic expansion era and was paid by non-Muslims who were capable of fighting in return for protection, while zakat was collected from Muslims, with proceeds going to the Muslim treasury where public funds were held.

"ISIL contradicts itself," Shehata said. "On the one hand they say they are implementing the provisions of Islamic sharia, including the 'jizya', however the Islamic state must be a full-fledged state and recognised by its citizens and subjects, which is not the case in the areas where ISIL is imposing its control by force and bloodshed."

"Jizya" runs contrary to the modern civil state, which takes all people under its wing and whose principles are based on justice and equality amongst all regardless of race or religion, he said.

"The imposition of 'jizya' under these circumstances and conditions is unacceptable by sharia, and whoever does it is merely forcing people to pay money in a manner that is more like the protection rackets gangsters impose on people in the areas under their control," he said.

The Rev. François Habib, a priest from al-Mansoura in al-Raqa province who is residing in Amman, Jordan, said al-Raqa is not the only region in which "jizya" has been imposed on Christians.

It also was imposed in al-Hasakeh where ISIL seized control in November, he said.

"Unfortunately, armed takfiri groups launched assaults on Christians, especially in al-Qamishli, Damascus, Tartous, Yabrud, Homs, Aleppo, al-Raqa and Maaloula," he told Al-Shorfa.

"It is unfortunate these things are happening in Syria, for Christians make up 10% of the total population and are spread throughout Syria and integrated into the fabric of Syrian society, to such an extent that the Christian is indistinguishable from the Muslim," he said.

http://al-shorfa.com/en_GB/articles/meii/features/2014/03/04/feature-01

Interesting, so more damning evidence against smelly and many Islamic scholars condemning this.

Whoops as I predicted smelly would not be able to provide any evidence and even the examples of modern day extremists only charge men as well.

Oh well smelly really is desperate I guess, but as seen he ignores what countless Scholars have taught for centuries and backs the extremists and even when he does that he gets it wrong bless him

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:29 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:the Christians in Muslim countries are being treated like the Jews of Nazi German by Muslim jihadis, and didge defends them

You are right I do defend the Jews from the persecution they received in Nazi occupied Europe and also defend the Christians that are persecuted also.
I love how you are again so desperate you just make crap up when you have been utterly spanked again in a debate on theology and history

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:29 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Lone Wolf wrote:

"TOMMY MONK" is such an ignorant fool...

AND seems to be getting more stupid (and senile ?) by the day..

DOES anybody on here really believe all of his fantasy Army career tales anymore, after the way he keeps tripping himself up on issues like this ?

MORE likely he did his three years, and left quietly without having learnt anything..

hey nude bushwalker boy

shut it

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Oh dear someone is getting wound up, ha ha ha

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:40 pm

Didge wrote:
Didge wrote:Islamic scholars condemn jihadist tax on Syrian Christians

Syrians of all sects and Islamic scholars are decrying new rules imposed by the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL) in al-Raqa which call for Christians to pay "jizya" tax and hold religious rituals behind closed doors in return for their safety.

Last week, ISIL posted a list of 12 rules on jihadist forums and social networking sites, saying they apply to Christians in al-Raqa, which is under the control of the al-Qaeda-inspired group.

Al-Raqa resident Mahmoud Leila, a Muslim, said he is now ashamed to face his Christian neighbour.

"How will I be able to interact with him as before?" he asked. "I feel true shame and disgrace from the actions of these groups."

"This matter is condemned by the people of al-Raqa, and by Muslims before Christians because it is offensive to the beautiful history among the people, to Islam and Muslims, as well as the Syrian revolution," he told Al-Shorfa.

Leila, who previously owned a building supplies store but is now out of work, said some prominent figures and elders tried to negotiate with ISIL to stop the tax, but were told unequivocally that "any al-Raqa resident who opposes the imposition of sharia will be considered an apostate and God's sharia will be applied to him".

The rules obligate every wealthy Christian man to pay 17 grams of gold, a middle-income Christian man to pay half that amount and every lower-income Christian man to pay a quarter of that.

They also prohibit the construction of churches and convents, the display of Christian symbols such as crosses outside churches, the ringing of church bells and public prayer.

The rules ban Christians from consuming alcohol in public, selling alcohol or pork to Muslims, from "carrying out hostile actions against ISIL" and from deviating from the sharia dress code.

CHURCH BELLS, CALL TO PRAYER 'OFTEN ROSE TOGETHER'

"I never imagined that I would one day be subjected to what they call the provisions of Islamic sharia in this manner, which is more like imprisonment, suppression of personal freedoms and prohibition of the expression of religious beliefs," said Semaan al-Mallouhi, a retired Christian resident of al-Raqa.

The relationship between Christians and Muslims in al-Raqa and its environs is based on mutual respect, he told Al-Shorfa.

"No Muslim had once complained about the sound of church bells nor had a Christian complained about the call to prayer via loudspeakers, but rather the sounds often rose together when a city resident passed away, be he Muslim or Christian," he added.

Al-Mallouhi said the restrictions on Christians in al-Raqa began last year with the arrival of extremist Islamist groups, including ISIL and Jabhat al-Nusra (JAN), in the city.

In September, ISIL fighters entered the Greek Catholic Church of Our Lady of the Annunciation and torched its religious furnishings, AFP reported.

They did the same at the Armenian Catholic Church of the Martyrs, also in al-Raqa, and destroyed a cross atop its clock tower, the news agency said.

Al-Raqa was once home to more than 300 Christian families, but "now that number has dropped dramatically to no more than 50 families", al-Mallouhi said.

In past months al-Raqa received many Syrian Christians fleeing areas such as Deir Ezzor, al-Qamishli, al-Hasakeh and Ras al-Ain and seeking safety in the city, he said.

ISIL has exploited their circumstances by offering them protection for money under the cover of "jizya", al-Mallouhi said.

'JIZYA' HAS NO PLACE IN A MODERN CIVIL STATE

The imposition of "jizya" on Christians in Syria is nothing but "a new fad, one of many launched by terrorist groups stemming from al-Qaeda, which have no legal authority to issue such edicts and rulings", said Sheikh Abdul Zahir Shehata, a lecturer at Egypt's Al-Azhar faculty of sharia and law.

This imposition is "a form of theft that uses religion as a cover", Shehata told Al-Shorfa.

"Jizya" is not a pillar of Islamic law, he said: It emerged during the Islamic expansion era and was paid by non-Muslims who were capable of fighting in return for protection, while zakat was collected from Muslims, with proceeds going to the Muslim treasury where public funds were held.

"ISIL contradicts itself," Shehata said. "On the one hand they say they are implementing the provisions of Islamic sharia, including the 'jizya', however the Islamic state must be a full-fledged state and recognised by its citizens and subjects, which is not the case in the areas where ISIL is imposing its control by force and bloodshed."

"Jizya" runs contrary to the modern civil state, which takes all people under its wing and whose principles are based on justice and equality amongst all regardless of race or religion, he said.

"The imposition of 'jizya' under these circumstances and conditions is unacceptable by sharia, and whoever does it is merely forcing people to pay money in a manner that is more like the protection rackets gangsters impose on people in the areas under their control," he said.

The Rev. François Habib, a priest from al-Mansoura in al-Raqa province who is residing in Amman, Jordan, said al-Raqa is not the only region in which "jizya" has been imposed on Christians.

It also was imposed in al-Hasakeh where ISIL seized control in November, he said.

"Unfortunately, armed takfiri groups launched assaults on Christians, especially in al-Qamishli, Damascus, Tartous, Yabrud, Homs, Aleppo, al-Raqa and Maaloula," he told Al-Shorfa.

"It is unfortunate these things are happening in Syria, for Christians make up 10% of the total population and are spread throughout Syria and integrated into the fabric of Syrian society, to such an extent that the Christian is indistinguishable from the Muslim," he said.

http://al-shorfa.com/en_GB/articles/meii/features/2014/03/04/feature-01

Interesting, so more damning evidence against smelly and many Islamic scholars condemning this.

Whoops as I predicted smelly would not be able to provide any evidence and even the examples of modern day extremists only charge men as well.

Oh well smelly really is desperate I guess, but as seen he ignores what countless Scholars have taught for centuries and backs the extremists and even when he does that he gets it wrong bless him

daming evidence??

its happening didge, there is no evidence to the contrary

Muslims are taking jizya from Christians as they have done for centuries, as Islam teaches them to do

the Muslims condemning this are only a few,

if this was truly against Islam, then it wouldn't be happening, the fact is that the majority support it and therefore it happens

a few Muslims condemning it wont change 1400 years of established Islamic doctrine

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:41 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

hey nude bushwalker boy

shut it

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Oh dear someone is getting wound up, ha ha ha

yeah, you

look at all those smilies

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:45 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

Whoops as I predicted smelly would not be able to provide any evidence and even the examples of modern day extremists only charge men as well.

Oh well smelly really is desperate I guess, but as seen he ignores what countless Scholars have taught for centuries and backs the extremists and even when he does that he gets it wrong bless him

daming evidence??

its happening didge, there is no evidence to the contrary

Muslims are taking jizya from Christians as they have done for centuries, as Islam teaches them to do

the Muslims condemning this are only a few,

if this was truly against Islam, then it wouldn't be happening, the fact is that the majority support it and therefore it happens

a few Muslims condemning it wont change 1400 years of established Islamic doctrine

Fucking PMSL

Did you notice the part about men?

Reall so the majority support it, even though every recognised Muslim country does not have it, one moment

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

You cannot make it up how utterly stupid and desperate you are.

So your claim to verse 9:29 is complete bollocks, for all to see.

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:46 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Oh dear someone is getting wound up, ha ha ha

yeah, you

look at all those smilies

Yep laughing in your face smelly as I have been doing for years, because idiots like you are so easy to show up.

::D::

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:50 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

daming evidence??

its happening didge, there is no evidence to the contrary

Muslims are taking jizya from Christians as they have done for centuries, as Islam teaches them to do

the Muslims condemning this are only a few,

if this was truly against Islam, then it wouldn't be happening, the fact is that the majority support it and therefore it happens

a few Muslims condemning it wont change 1400 years of established Islamic doctrine

Fucking PMSL

Did you notice the part about men?

Reall so the majority support it, even though every recognised Muslim country does not have it, one moment

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

You cannot make it up how utterly stupid and desperate you are.

So your claim to verse 9:29 is complete bollocks, for all to see.

more smilies is it??

its not my claim didge

im not the one extorting the jizya while quoting 9:29

its Muslims doing it

perhaps you should talk to them and tell them they are misunderstanding their own religion.

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:52 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

Fucking PMSL

Did you notice the part about men?

Reall so the majority support it, even though every recognised Muslim country does not have it, one moment

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You cannot make it up how utterly stupid and desperate you are.

So your claim to verse 9:29 is complete bollocks, for all to see.

more smilies is it??

its not my claim didge

im not the one extorting the jizya while quoting 9:29

its Muslims doing it

perhaps you should talk to them and tell them they are misunderstanding their own religion.

I am not having a debate with them, but you, seems odd that now you concede you come outwith even more bullshit, what a wally

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:01 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

more smilies is it??

its not my claim didge

im not the one extorting the jizya while quoting 9:29

its Muslims doing it

perhaps you should talk to them and tell them they are misunderstanding their own religion.

I am not having a debate with them, but you, seems odd that now you concede you come outwith even more bullshit, what a wally

you are debating with them didge, you are debating with their actions

they are out there in Iraq and Syria and elsewhere demanding the jizya from Christians, the only reason they know about the jizya is through Islam

you claim they are wrong to be doing so and that their religion doesn't teach them to do what they are doing

ever heard the saying "actions speak louder than words"??

as it stands their actions are winning this debate

as i said didge, get yourself out to syria and tell ISIS that they are wrong about Islam

whats the matter didge??

aint got the minerals??

and you accuse me of living in fear

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:06 pm

No I am claiming you are wrong on your claim on verse 9:29, have not even got into the extremist part, you brought that into the equation and they represent a small fraction of Muslims, which is hardly an endorsement of your claims.
You seem to neglect the millions of others that do not fall into your thinking smelly, in fact you always ignore them, hence why your desperation is to portray Islam as the extremists do, so you can instill a fear of all Muslims. You see it is easy to see right through you and as stated countless times again, the problem will be difficult to resolve, but mainly Muslims themselves need to resolve it, not the west.

So no good going on about ISIS, even they only charge men, in their own policy declared on Jiyza, the part you missed, with again you not being able to provide an evidence for your claim from the beginnings of Islam.

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:19 pm

Didge wrote:No I am claiming you are wrong on your claim on verse 9:29, have not even got into the extremist part, you brought that into the equation and they represent a small fraction of Muslims, which is hardly an endorsement of your claims.
You seem to neglect the millions of others that do not fall into your thinking smelly, in fact you always ignore them, hence why your desperation is to portray Islam as the extremists do, so you can instill a fear of all Muslims. You see it is easy to see right through you and as stated countless times again, the problem will be difficult to resolve, but mainly Muslims themselves need to resolve it, not the west.

So no good going on about ISIS, even they only charge men, in their own policy declared on Jiyza, the part you missed, with again you not being able to provide an evidence for your claim from the beginnings of Islam.

how else do they know about the jizya if not from the qur'an??

all im doing is pointing out what they are doing and providing the religious justification for it

if you feel they are wrong,then that is your belief, im not here to change your views, im simply pointing out how evil Islam is and what it allows and justifies in the pursuit of hedonism

So no good going on about ISIS, even they only charge men

guess you missed this one

Mosul, Iraq (AINA) -- The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has begun to brutally enforce Islamic laws (AINA 2014-06-14) in Mosul, Iraq, which it overran on June 10.

Dr. Sallama Al Khafaji, a member of the Iraq High Commission for Human Rights, told AINA that on Saturday, June 21 ISIS began demanding a poll tax (jizya) from Christians in Mosul (AINA 2014-06-21). In one instance, ISIS members entered the home of an Assyrian family in Mosul and demanded the poll tax (jizya). When the Assyrian family said they did not have the money, three ISIS members raped the mother and daughter in front of the husband and father. The husband and father was so traumatized that he committed suicide.

"The Christians have told me that they cannot pay this tax," said Dr. Al-Khafaji, "and they say 'what am I to do, shall I kill myself?'"

According to the Arabic language website Alghadeer, four Christian women were shot and killed by ISIS members because they were not wearing veils. AINA has not confirmed this and this website is known to be administered by Shiites.

http://www.aina.org/news/20140623185542.htm

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:24 pm

Oh my, where does that say the women were charged to pay?

It does not, it shows they were brutally raped because the men did not pay.

Look up the policy that ISIS posted themselves, it is there in black and white smelly, you are as seen desperate again.

How long did it take you to google that an you still came up short

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:16 pm

Didge wrote:Oh my, where does that say the women were charged to pay?

It does not, it shows they were brutally raped because the men did not pay.

Look up the policy that ISIS posted themselves, it is there in black and white smelly, you are as seen desperate again.

How long did it take you to google that an you still came up short

doesn't say the MEN couldn't pay

When the Assyrian family said they did not have the money, three ISIS members raped the mother and daughter in front of the husband and father. The husband and father was so traumatized that he committed suicide.

as i said before

its a COLLECTIVE tax taken from households and communities, which means EVERYONE pays

your argument is that women are spared, this proves that argument incorrect since the reason for the rape was??

that's right didge - the jizya

so please tell me again who ISIS were protecting this family from??

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:53 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:Oh my, where does that say the women were charged to pay?

It does not, it shows they were brutally raped because the men did not pay.

Look up the policy that ISIS posted themselves, it is there in black and white smelly, you are as seen desperate again.

How long did it take you to google that an you still came up short

doesn't say the MEN couldn't pay

When the Assyrian family said they did not have the money, three ISIS members raped the mother and daughter in front of the husband and father. The husband and father was so traumatized that he committed suicide.

as i said before

its a COLLECTIVE tax taken from households and communities, which means EVERYONE pays

your argument is that women are spared, this proves that argument incorrect since the reason for the rape was??

that's right didge - the jizya

so please tell me again who ISIS were protecting this family from??

Yes and the family is headed up by men is it not in these cultures, dear me, so desperate it is now comical, now where did it say the women had to pay.

So again I show evidence where it states men are charged and from the extremists and you have only the extremists to go on, which is hilarious at your desperation.

So again we see smelly clutch at straws, he fails to show why out of 56 recognized Muslims countries do not have this , we have ISIS who as seen in a 12 point proclamation state men and fails to counter my evidence on the beginnings of Islam.

Conclusions:

Smelly gets schooled again on verse 9:29

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:09 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

doesn't say the MEN couldn't pay

When the Assyrian family said they did not have the money, three ISIS members raped the mother and daughter in front of the husband and father. The husband and father was so traumatized that he committed suicide.

as i said before

its a COLLECTIVE tax taken from households and communities, which means EVERYONE pays

your argument is that women are spared, this proves that argument incorrect since the reason for the rape was??

that's right didge - the jizya

so please tell me again who ISIS were protecting this family from??

Yes and the family is headed up by men is it not in these cultures, dear me, so desperate it is now comical, now where did it say the women had to pay.

So again I show evidence where it states men are charged and from the extremists and you have only the extremists to go on, which is hilarious at your desperation.

So again we see smelly clutch at straws, he fails to show why out of 56 recognized Muslims countries do not have this , we have ISIS who as seen in a 12 point proclamation state men and fails to counter my evidence on the beginnings of Islam.

Conclusions:

Smelly gets schooled again on verse 9:29

if the men are the ones who are charged why were the women punished for non payment??

your argument says that women are exempt from the jizya, so if women are exempt from paying then why are they punished for non payment of something you claim they don't need to pay??

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:12 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

Yes and the family is headed up by men is it not in these cultures, dear me, so desperate it is now comical, now where did it say the women had to pay.

So again I show evidence where it states men are charged and from the extremists and you have only the extremists to go on, which is hilarious at your desperation.

So again we see smelly clutch at straws, he fails to show why out of 56 recognized Muslims countries do not have this , we have ISIS who as seen in a 12 point proclamation state men and fails to counter my evidence on the beginnings of Islam.

Conclusions:

Smelly gets schooled again on verse 9:29

if the men are the ones who are charged why were the women punished for non payment??

your argument says that women are exempt from the jizya, so if women are exempt from paying then why are they punished for non payment of something you claim they don't need to pay??

Because they are extremists, who have killed many innocent people already or has this escaped you also?
Where does it say if they do not pay the Jiyza you can rape the women?
This proves the point that they are extremists and go against what is taught within Islam, as stated already by the scholars.

So basically you are now claiming the word fight means rape?

Is that your claim.

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:25 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

if the men are the ones who are charged why were the women punished for non payment??

your argument says that women are exempt from the jizya, so if women are exempt from paying then why are they punished for non payment of something you claim they don't need to pay??

Because they are extremists, who have killed many innocent people already or has this escaped you also?
Where does it say if they do not pay the Jiyza you can rape the women?
This proves the point that they are extremists and go against what is taught within Islam, as stated already by the scholars.

So basically you are now claiming the word fight means rape?

Is that your claim.

"because they were extremists"

peraps you can help me out here didge

im failing to understand when they become extremists

is it when they rape the women or demand the jizya??

because according to you, up until they raped the women they were good Muslims acting in accordance with Islam

you know?? forcing their way into peoples homes and demanding a protection tax is perfectly fine by your standards but only so long as they only demand it from the man

so at what stage in your mind do they cross the line??

is it at the rape??

before??

after??

would they be good Muslims if they didnt rape the women but killed the man??

after all as you say they would only be men involved which according to you is how jizya works

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:29 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

Because they are extremists, who have killed many innocent people already or has this escaped you also?
Where does it say if they do not pay the Jiyza you can rape the women?
This proves the point that they are extremists and go against what is taught within Islam, as stated already by the scholars.

So basically you are now claiming the word fight means rape?

Is that your claim.

"because they were extremists"

peraps you can help me out here didge

im failing to understand when they become extremists
is it when they rape the women or demand the jizya??
because according to you, up until they raped the women they were good Muslims acting in accordance with Islam
you know?? forcing their way into peoples homes and demanding a protection tax is perfectly fine by your standards but only so long as they only demand it from the man
so at what stage in your mind do they cross the line??
is it at the rape??
before??
after??
would they be good Muslims if they didnt rape the women but killed the man??
after all as you say they would only be men involved which according to you is how jizya works

They are extremists from the start as they hold an extreme ideology, it is that simple.
Other Muslims do not share their extreme ideology, which is simple for anyone except for you it seems, maybe you can explain why many Muslims do not agree with their extremism, or does again this part always escape you

Again are you stating now the verse says not to fight until they pay the Jiyza, but to rape their wives and daughters if they do not pay the Jiyza?
So now fight to you must mean rape?

Is that what you think?

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:45 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

"because they were extremists"

peraps you can help me out here didge

im failing to understand when they become extremists
is it when they rape the women or demand the jizya??
because according to you, up until they raped the women they were good Muslims acting in accordance with Islam
you know?? forcing their way into peoples homes and demanding a protection tax is perfectly fine by your standards but only so long as they only demand it from the man
so at what stage in your mind do they cross the line??
is it at the rape??
before??
after??
would they be good Muslims if they didnt rape the women but killed the man??
after all as you say they would only be men involved which according to you is how jizya works

They are extremists from the start as they hold an extreme ideology, it is that simple.
Other Muslims do not share their extreme ideology, which is simple for anyone except for you it seems, maybe you can explain why many Muslims do not agree with their extremism, or does again this part always escape you

Again are you stating now the verse says not to fight until they pay the Jiyza, but to rape their wives and daughters if they do not pay the Jiyza?
So now fight to you must mean rape?

Is that what you think?

but according to you they were acting correctly in regards to the jizya

you said that Islam teaches only men are subject to paying the jizya

so how can they be extremists if they are just acting as you claim Islam has taught them to act??

your argument has never been that the jizya is not charged, its always been that only men are charged, in this instance the man was charged - which according to you makes it ok and perfectly acceptable

but the women were punished, which according to you is not ok and suddenly the Muslims go from being nice good Muslims to extremists

you're arguing two separate points of view here

so i will ask you once again

at what point do these Muslims go from being good Muslims to being extremists??

is it why you feel like waving your magic wand???

or perhaps its when you realize your argument is falling down hard??

ill ask you again

if women are exempt from paying the jizya then why did these Muslims, who you claim were acting in accordance with Islam, punish women for not paying a tax you claim they are exempt from??

and ill ask you again

who were ISIS protecting this christian family from??

you say the jizya is charged to protect non Muslims from invaders, so what invaders are these Christians being protected from??

by Guest Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:57 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

They are extremists from the start as they hold an extreme ideology, it is that simple.
Other Muslims do not share their extreme ideology, which is simple for anyone except for you it seems, maybe you can explain why many Muslims do not agree with their extremism, or does again this part always escape you

Again are you stating now the verse says not to fight until they pay the Jiyza, but to rape their wives and daughters if they do not pay the Jiyza?
So now fight to you must mean rape?

Is that what you think?

but according to you they were acting correctly in regards to the jizya
Never claimed that, I stated they were only charging men

you said that Islam teaches only men are subject to paying the jizya
No, only able bodied men, not the elderly or the poor or disabled

so how can they be extremists if they are just acting as you claim Islam has taught them to act??
They are not acting though, because with an acting war going on, where nothing has been consolidated how can they guarantee their safety? So if they retreat they would have to pay this back would they not?

your argument has never been that the jizya is not charged, its always been that only men are charged, in this instance the man was charged - which according to you makes it ok and perfectly acceptable
It has always been about you misquoted verse 9:29 actually, and as seen history proves you wrong, even today Muslim recognised nations do not charge the Jiyza

but the women were punished, which according to you is not ok and suddenly the Muslims go from being nice good Muslims to extremists
Really, that is news to me, I never stated it was okay to punish the women, you though think it is okay with your views on Islam

you're arguing two separate points of view here
No, the same point, you brought in how some extremists today now charge the Jiyza

so i will ask you once again

at what point do these Muslims go from being good Muslims to being extremists??
http://www.radicalisationresearch.org/

is it why you feel like waving your magic wand???
How odd, why do Christians turn to extremism, the same would apply would it not, to your logic?

or perhaps its when you realize your argument is falling down hard??
Your argument failed from the start as seen , because you do not apply it to other religious extremists, of which there are many reasons why some turn to extremism

ill ask you again

if women are exempt from paying the jizya then why did these Muslims, who you claim were acting in accordance with Islam, punish women for not paying a tax you claim they are exempt from??
Because they have been indoctrinated with hate and that they go against fundamental teachings which exempt women, proven by the fact history shows that women were exempt

and ill ask you again

who were ISIS protecting this christian family from??
They are exempting them from having to take up arms and they claim to be protecting them from an invading force which in this case would be the Iraqi Government

you say the jizya is charged to protect non Muslims from invaders, so what invaders are these Christians being protected from??

So basically you now think the word fight means rape and still fail to answer this, you go round in circles to questions already answered.

Conclusion:

Again you have misquoted the verse 9:29

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:45 am

didge calm down buddy

you have made several mistakes

you make this glaring fuck up

i said

"but the women were punished, which according to you is not ok and suddenly the Muslims go from being nice good Muslims to extremists"

you replied

"Really, that is news to me, I never stated it was okay to punish the women"

you have misread again, i never claimed you thought it was ok but rather that it was not ok, i even highlight it in red for you

second mistake

"It has always been about you misquoted verse 9:29 actually, and as seen history proves you wrong, even today Muslim recognised nations do not charge the Jiyza"

9:29 isn't misquoted, its quoted perfectly and verbatim from the qur'an

is the fact that you think 9:29 is misquoted the root cause of your confusion?? you really need to do some research didge

here you go didge three separate translations for you

009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

the rest is utter bollox because you're creating an impossible argument for yourself

you claim women are exempt but then cannot explain why women are punished, except to say "they are extremists"

but then you face the problem of how can these men be extremists if they are only charging men the jizya, which you have claimed is the correct way to do it,according to you extremists don't adhere to the Islamic teachings

so now we have a situation where you claim these men go from being good Muslims following Islam to being extremists in the space of +/-an hour

these men are showing us how muhammadans operate didge. but you want us to believe in some fairytale where this has never ever happened before,

no Muslim according to didge has ever raped a women or charged a woman the jizya ever before this happened

sure pal

you then abandon all sanity and say that ISIS (the rapists and murderers) are protecting the Christians (who they raped) from the IRAQI government

amazing

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:47 am

Hilarious, so smelly just going around in circles on points already discussed and still not able to provide the evidence from the beginnings of Islam.
Seriously how desperate can you get, you claim your view off how some extremists commit crimes is how the faith is meant to be, thus by your illogical view whatever a extremists does in a religion that view holds sway, no matter if Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Sikh, Hindu ect.
That is complete garbage, showing you have not a clue

Epic fail

Try again

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:35 am

your argument is in the gutters didge

your argument is based on your own lack of understanding of the Islamic texts, you even go so far as to claim ive "misquoted" the verse

i don't understand how im misquoting the verse when i use copy and paste directly from the source - an Islamic website

so that argument fails

your next defense of what happened in this case is "they are extremists"

well that's not according to your own argument which says that the jizya is only leveled on the men, which means that you're calling these Muslims extremists even though they are acting in a manner you say is acceptable

but then you say extremists don't follow the teachings of Islam, but these guys were

you sound very confused because you're making a contradictory claim

or perhaps you are realizing you're trapped and are adapting your argument to suit like always.

but my favorite by far is your view that ISIS are protecting this Christian family from the IRAQI government

that's truly a didge classic

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:37 am

No you have no argument as seen and stioll cannot provide any evidence you just go around in circles and base your view off extremists, which as stated such an illogical view whatever a extremists does in a religion that view holds sway, no matter if Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Sikh, Hindu ect.
That is absurd.
It also shows you cannot read, I said this is what ISIS claim, not what I think, but then you always get confused over simple English, being an Afrikaans

Try again

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:42 am

Didge wrote:No you have no argument as seen and stioll cannot provide any evidence you just go around in circles and base your view off extremists, which as stated such an illogical view whatever a extremists does in a religion that view holds sway, no matter if Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Sikh, Hindu ect.
That is absurd.
It also shows you cannot read, I said this is what ISIS claim, not what I think, but then you always get confused over simple English, being an Afrikaans

Try again

ISIS are Muslims didge

you argue that the actions of ISIS are incompatible with islam

does that include them collecting the jizya??

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:45 am

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:No you have no argument as seen and stioll cannot provide any evidence you just go around in circles and base your view off extremists, which as stated such an illogical view whatever a extremists does in a religion that view holds sway, no matter if Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Sikh, Hindu ect.
That is absurd.
It also shows you cannot read, I said this is what ISIS claim, not what I think, but then you always get confused over simple English, being an Afrikaans

Try again

ISIS are Muslims didge

you argue that the actions of ISIS are incompatible with islam

does that include them collecting the jizya??

They are extremists:

Wow so you hinge on Jiyza is that now your claim to them not being extremists.

Wow score on that one buddy, so Christian extremists follow a literal view of the Bible, does that make them the correct Christianity?

Take your time

Try again

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:03 am

the jizya argument is your own argument didge

you have repeatably claimed that jizya is levied only on men to protect them from "invading armies"

ok

sounds good to me

what we see in Iraq is that Muslims (ISIS) kicking in the door of a christian family and demanding the jizya from the man to protect him and his family from the democratically elected IRAQI government you claim are the invading force - according to YOUR argument this is acceptable

so far so good - good Muslims obeying the command of Islam to protect the dhimmis and charge the jizya in return

then suddenly things go wrong and within the space of a few minute these previously good devout Muslims rape the wife and daughter of the man because he cannot pay them

suddenly for no reason whatsoever these Muslims who according to you were good and devout a few minutes before, go completely rogue and start disobeying the commands of the qur'an and become extremists

what the FUCK are you smoking???

put DOWN the crackpipe you wierdo

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:04 am

Hilarious again, answer the question do you think the Army of God are following the true Christianity?

Take your time

by nicko Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:06 am

Didge, how many followers do the ArmyOf GOD have.

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:20 am

nicko wrote:Didge, how many followers do the ArmyOf GOD have.

No idea, why?

They are one of many Christian extremist groups in America, like Christian identity etc and many more, the point is are any of them following true Christianity, using the illogical view of smelly?

http://highbrowmagazine.com/3477-christian-extremists-and-homegrown-terrorism

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:31 am

Didge wrote:Hilarious again, answer the question do you think the Army of God are following the true Christianity?

Take your time

didge deflects because he sees how ridiculous his answer is

its not the army of god raping women for not paying the jizya its Muslims

by Guest Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:32 am

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:Hilarious again, answer the question do you think the Army of God are following the true Christianity?

Take your time

didge deflects because he sees how ridiculous his answer is

its not the army of god raping women for not paying the jizya its Muslims

Hilarious, you have made a claim on how you view certain extremists as true followers of Islam thus by your illogical view you surely believe that Christian identity and the Army of God are the only true advocates of Christianity then.

That is why your view is so flawed as seen, and really daft

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