"Too White" Devon Primary Gets Parents To Pay For Trip To Black London School

by Guest Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:29 am

First topic message reminder :

7th June 2014

No, the black London school is not deemed too black, you dummies!

A small rural primary school has organised a sleepover to London – so the children get a chance to see people who are not white.

Payhembury Primary in Devon was criticised by Ofsted for being insufficiently ‘multicultural’.

So the 68-pupil Church of England school is asking parents to pay for their children to make a two-day trip to a school with a wide mix of ethnic backgrounds.

The visit – described by one parent as patronising and bizarre – has been sold to parents as a way of boosting Payhembury’s Ofsted grade from good to the top rating of outstanding.

The school they are visiting, Smallberry Green in Isleworth, West London – where three-quarters of the 410 pupils are from ethnic minorities – achieved the same good Ofsted rating.

Explaining the motivation for the trip, Payhembury headteacher Penny Hammett told parents in a letter: ‘The purpose of this trip is to build up a relationship with a school in a very different community to ours.

'This will enable our children to gain a better understanding of multicultural Britain, which was identified in our last Ofsted as being an area for development.

‘Through our topics, visitors and discussions we have been developing multicultural awareness in both Britain and throughout the world, but this visit will help us to experience in real life a school where there is a wide mix of children with different ethnic backgrounds and almost 50 per cent of the children do not have English as their first language.’

The letter also explains that four teachers will accompany the children on the two-day trip, which will involve pupils sleeping in the Isleworth school and using its catering facilities, for an estimated cost of £35.

While in London, the Devon children will engage in outdoor activities and record a CD.

Pupils from the school have written to their new pen-pals in London, some of whom will take part in a return visit to the school, near Honiton.

Mrs Hammett’s letter invites parents to a meeting to discuss the trip. But yesterday one mother said: ‘I’m astounded by this idea. Just because the children go to a small school in the country does not mean they aren’t aware of people with different coloured skin to them.

'It’s very patronising – and for the school they are visiting too.'

Mrs Hammett said the trip, in which 29 pupils are taking part, was about providing an enriching experience for the children at both schools.

‘Devon is very quaint but our children don’t get to see the big wide world,’ she said.

At Ofsted’s last visit in 2010, inspectors praised Payhembury as a ‘happy place’ but pointed out all the pupils were of ‘white British heritage’.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2651108/Rural-school-deemed-white-Ofsted-visits-London-mix-ethnic-pupils.html#ixzz33wLs5vYq

by eddie Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:14 pm

Ofsted are always "suggesting" things to schools.
It sounds to me like a perfectly acceptable thing for two very different schools, to do.

There are times when things are blown way out of proportion on this forum.
This story, is one of them.

by Irn Bru Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

From the OP....

Payhembury Primary in Devon was criticised by Ofsted for being insufficiently ‘multicultural’.

At Ofsted’s last visit in 2010, inspectors praised Payhembury as a ‘happy place’ but pointed out all the pupils were of ‘white British heritage’.

Sounds like they are saying it was too white to me......

Using the pc language 'insufficiently multicultural'.....

It was the Daily Mail that used the term 'too white'. So is the Daily Mail a racist newspaper?

Read the Ofsted report and the letter at the end addressed to the pupils.

Part of it says 'Give you even more opportunities to find out about how people live in different parts of the United Kingdom and in other countries.

What's wrong with that?

http://www.payhemburyprimary.co.uk/images/docs/ofsted2010.pdf

by Tommy Monk Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:48 pm

Payhembury Primary in Devon was criticised by Ofsted for being insufficiently ‘multicultural’.

by Irn Bru Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:06 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Payhembury Primary in Devon was criticised by Ofsted for being insufficiently ‘multicultural’.

It was praised for plans already in place for the improvement, the schools contribution to the local community and pupils’ growing appreciation of other faiths and customs.

It never used the term 'too white'. So is the Daily Mail a racist newspaper for using that term?

by Tommy Monk Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:16 pm

Payhembury Primary in Devon was criticised by Ofsted for being insufficiently ‘multicultural’.

by Guest Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Payhembury Primary in Devon was criticised by Ofsted for being insufficiently ‘multicultural’.

6 schools in Birmingham have been classed as inadequate by Ofsted, due to a claim they do not do enough extremism prevention, so is your argument Ofsted is poor or that they are good and know what they are doing?

by Tommy Monk Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:37 pm

Difference between protecting children from Islamic extremism and criticising others for being too white British and not multicultural enough don't you think...???

by Guest Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:41 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Difference between protecting children from Islamic extremism and criticising others for being too white British and not multicultural enough don't you think...???

I never asked you on the difference between opinions but if an education body was credible?
I asked:

6 schools in Birmingham have been classed as inadequate by Ofsted, due to a claim they do not do enough extremism prevention, so is your argument Ofsted is poor or that they are good and know what they are doing?

by Tommy Monk Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Payhembury Primary in Devon was criticised by Ofsted for being insufficiently ‘multicultural’.

by Guest Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:58 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Payhembury Primary in Devon was criticised by Ofsted for being insufficiently ‘multicultural’.

Yes we know the findings, we want to know if you think Ofsted is credible, so answer the question:

6 schools in Birmingham have been classed as inadequate by Ofsted, due to a claim they do not do enough extremism prevention, so is your argument Ofsted is poor or that they are good and know what they are doing?

by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:22 am

Interesting use of 'double speak' there dodge in your so loaded that Atlas would struggle holding up that side question .....

Please explain what 'not doing enough extremism prevention' means...?

Explain what part of the national syllabus this is....???

And explain who this specific 'extremism prevention' is supposed to be protecting them from....?????

by Guest Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:25 am

Deflection argument again, avoiding my points and not even answering my points.

Clueless

by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:55 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Interesting use of 'double speak' there dodge in your so loaded that Atlas would struggle holding up that side question .....
Please explain what 'not doing enough extremism prevention' means...?
Explain what part of the national syllabus this is....???
And explain who this specific 'extremism prevention' is supposed to be protecting them from....?????

by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:39 am

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Yes we know the findings, we want to know if you think Ofsted is credible, so answer the question:
6 schools in Birmingham have been classed as inadequate by Ofsted, due to a claim they do not do enough extremism prevention, so is your argument Ofsted is poor or that they are good and know what they are doing?

Just to capture quote....

by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:45 am

I think it will be good for the kids. They're not going to grow up in an all-white world, so it is the very definition of "education" that they should meet people of diverse backgrounds (not just black, like the headline says) before they are out in the world meeting and associating and doing business with people who don't come from the same background.

by Guest Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:17 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Didge wrote:

Yes we know the findings, we want to know if you think Ofsted is credible, so answer the question:
6 schools in Birmingham have been classed as inadequate by Ofsted, due to a claim they do not do enough extremism prevention, so is your argument Ofsted is poor or that they are good and know what they are doing?

Just to capture quote....

Its been posted 8 times, where you have failed to answer, ha ha ha

Seriously Matti answer the question, its not difficult

by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:24 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Interesting use of 'double speak' there dodge in your so loaded that Atlas would struggle holding up that side question .....

Please explain what 'not doing enough extremism prevention' means...?

Explain what part of the national syllabus this is....???

And explain who this specific 'extremism prevention' is supposed to be protecting them from....?????

Maybe you can answer mine?

by Guest Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Maybe you can answer mine?

Still not answered and you want to know what extremist prevention is?

http://www.cohesioninstitute.org.uk/live/images/cme_resources/public/documents/publications/promoting-community-cohesion.pdf

There is your answer

Yes we know the findings, we want to know if you think Ofsted is credible, so answer the question:
6 schools in Birmingham have been classed as inadequate by Ofsted, due to a claim they do not do enough extremism prevention, so is your argument Ofsted is poor or that they are good and know what they are doing?

by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:07 pm

Dodge your question is so loaded that it is bollocks.

Ofsted have failed to see the problems going on at those schools until now.

And there is a difference between Islamic take overs and criticising other schools for being too white.

Now.....

Please explain what 'not doing enough extremism prevention' means...?

Explain what part of the national syllabus this is....???

And explain who this specific 'extremism prevention' is supposed to be protecting them from....?????

by Guest Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:19 pm

I provided you with your answer, from Ofsted themselves, thus try again

Yes we know the findings, we want to know if you think Ofsted is credible, so answer the question:
6 schools in Birmingham have been classed as inadequate by Ofsted, due to a claim they do not do enough extremism prevention, so is your argument Ofsted is poor or that they are good and know what they are doing?

by Guest Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:27 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I think it will be good for the kids. They're not going to grow up in an all-white world, so it is the very definition of "education" that they should meet people of diverse backgrounds (not just black, like the headline says) before they are out in the world meeting and associating and doing business with people who don't come from the same background.

Yeah...but NOT at the cost of £35 quid each from the parents...If the education people find this SOOOO necessary...then THEY should find the funding for it

by Guest Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:30 pm

Moreover I am willing to bet every parent is too scared shitless to refuse, for fear of being labeled "wacist" and having their kid lumbered with an indelible stain on their school record which will follow them for ever...regardless...

thanks to the lefty's ....

by Raggamuffin Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:34 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I think it will be good for the kids. They're not going to grow up in an all-white world, so it is the very definition of "education" that they should meet people of diverse backgrounds (not just black, like the headline says) before they are out in the world meeting and associating and doing business with people who don't come from the same background.

Why do they need to know what colour people are before they can do business? All this crap is just encouraging people to think that people are different because of their colour.

Why can't the kids from the other school go to Devon anyway?

by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:35 pm

Interestingly, BA's excerpt of the article leaves out this part:

However, another parent supported the initiative, saying: ‘I think it’s a nice idea.

‘We don’t live in an ethnically diverse area, so it’s good for the kids to meet children from other kinds of background.’

In Isleworth, student Usna Hakimi, 19, who was picking up her two sisters up from Smallberry Green, said: ‘They’ve just told me about the sleepover and they’re quite excited to meet other children from a different part of England. It’s good for them to learn about other cultures.’

I wonder why he did that?

by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:36 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:I think it will be good for the kids. They're not going to grow up in an all-white world, so it is the very definition of "education" that they should meet people of diverse backgrounds (not just black, like the headline says) before they are out in the world meeting and associating and doing business with people who don't come from the same background.

Why do they need to know what colour people are before they can do business? All this crap is just encouraging people to think that people are different because of their colour.

Why can't the kids from the other school go to Devon anyway?

That's not what I said, I'm saying it will be good for these kids to have some experience associating with people from different backgrounds before they begin their adult lives, they'll be more prepared and it will be less of a culture shock.

EDIT - It'd be good for the other kids to check out Devon as well. Mutually beneficial.

by Raggamuffin Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:37 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why do they need to know what colour people are before they can do business? All this crap is just encouraging people to think that people are different because of their colour.

Why can't the kids from the other school go to Devon anyway?

That's not what I said, I'm saying it will be good for these kids to have some experience associating with people from different backgrounds before they begin their adult lives, they'll be more prepared and it will be less of a culture shock.

You implied that you were basing that on colour.

They're not going to grow up in an all-white world

by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:44 pm

Part of it's color, part of it's culture, lifestyle, etc. It's always educational for kids to meet and interact with people who are different from them.

Does seem a tad expensive, though.

by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:09 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge your question is so loaded that it is bollocks.

Ofsted have failed to see the problems going on at those schools until now.

And there is a difference between Islamic take overs and criticising other schools for being too white.

Now.....

Please explain what 'not doing enough extremism prevention' means...?

Explain what part of the national syllabus this is....???

And explain who this specific 'extremism prevention' is supposed to be protecting them from....?????

Dodge I answered your loaded question above.

Now answer my questions.

by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:11 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:Moreover I am willing to bet every parent is too scared shitless to refuse, for fear of being labeled "wacist" and having their kid lumbered with an indelible stain on their school record which will follow them for ever...regardless...

thanks to the lefty's ....

Given that they couldn't possibly be clever enough to just claim their kid was sick or something.

by Guest Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:15 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
victorisnotamused wrote:Moreover I am willing to bet every parent is too scared shitless to refuse, for fear of being labeled "wacist" and having their kid lumbered with an indelible stain on their school record which will follow them for ever...regardless...

thanks to the lefty's ....

Given that they couldn't possibly be clever enough to just claim their kid was sick or something.

then comes the demand for a doctors letter.....and so on...

you have NO idea of the subtle state sponsored terrorism that is applied by the progressives in pursuit of their agenda in this country...

by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:17 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
victorisnotamused wrote:Moreover I am willing to bet every parent is too scared shitless to refuse, for fear of being labeled "wacist" and having their kid lumbered with an indelible stain on their school record which will follow them for ever...regardless...

thanks to the lefty's ....

Given that they couldn't possibly be clever enough to just claim their kid was sick or something.

then comes the demand for a doctors letter.....and so on...

you have NO idea of the subtle state sponsored terrorism that is applied by the progressives in pursuit of their agenda in this country...

Surely they'd rather actually send their child to the doctor than run the risk that their child will see or interact with a non-white, right? ::D::

by Guest Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:27 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
victorisnotamused wrote:

then comes the demand for a doctors letter.....and so on...

you have NO idea of the subtle state sponsored terrorism that is applied by the progressives in pursuit of their agenda in this country...

Surely they'd rather actually send their child to the doctor than run the risk that their child will see or interact with a non-white, right? ::D::

whats THAT got to do with anything...more liberalist "fudging"

£35 quid...per child....for something DICTATED by some PC maniac, that isnt even on the syallabus...THATS the problem....

at times Ben you can be a bigger prat than didge at his worst....

you realise that, according to the progressive philosophy, NO EXPENSE, provided they aint paying, is too much, in pursuit of THEIR agenda....

by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:31 pm

On one hand the lefties say we are all the same, on other they enforce the meeting of these 'different' kids.
I am still concerned about ofstead criticising the school saying it was 'insufficiently multicultural'....

by Irn Bru Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:00 pm

The Smallberry Green Primary School. This is the school that the children from Devon are going to see in London.

Couple of highlights from the last Ofsted report.

More than three quarters of the pupils, a much higher proportion than than found nationally, are from a range of minority ethnic groups, with the largest group being pupils of African heritage. The proportion of pupils learning English as an additional language is well above the national average.

Behaviour is good over time. Pupils from a wide range of backgrounds and cultures learn and play together happily. They care for themselves, their friends, teachers and their school. All pupils want to learn. The vast majority of parents recognise how hard the school works to keep their children safe, happy and learning well.

I'm sure the children from both schools will be very excited about the visit and will benefit from the experience. The children from London will also be going down to Devon at a later date too so I expect they'll be excited about that as well.

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/provider/files/2186573/urn/102515.pdf

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:03 pm

Well, that puts a different slant on it. We did school swaps with a school in Germany to learn about each other because of the residual feeling after the war. I went to Gottingen and stayed for three months.

by Irn Bru Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:05 pm

My first trip abroad was a real eye opener - and that was just to Pontins in Morecambe Laughing

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:06 pm

and..talking speculatively I admit ..what about the single parent...who cant afford the £70 quid for the two kids but who knows if she/he DOESNT cough up will be labled racist and the kids records marked as such....

by Irn Bru Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:08 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:and..talking speculatively I admit ..what about the single parent...who cant afford the £70 quid for the two kids but who knows if she/he DOESNT cough up will be labled racist and the kids records marked as such....

I would think that there will be fund raising events to help pay for the trip or at least some of it Victor. There usually is for these sort of things.

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:08 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:and..talking speculatively I admit ..what about the single parent...who cant afford the £70 quid for the two kids but who knows if she/he DOESNT cough up will be labled racist and the kids records marked as such....

Families without a lot of money face that for every school trip, and there is normally a school fund to help them. And I think you are exaggerating more than just a bit Victor.

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:22 pm

Really sassy...so those who cant afford to go ice skating get labeled racist now as well???

of course THATS just silly....

BUT I do seem to remember a certain school which threatened EXACTLY this on kids whos parents might not let them go on a vist to some "multicultural" jape....

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:26 pm

you see thats the progressive "trick" isnt it....let it happen a few times.....and the whole population becomes "terrorised" into compliance.....

OH yes I have the "progressives" measure...every bit as bad as ANY dictator that has lived....

only instead of bombs and bullets...they use the law, and propaganda, lies and spin.....

and no-one is able to be sure just what IS law or propaganda or lies or spin or just direct "disinformation"

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:30 pm

Oh well, guess that's what they were doing when I swapped with Germany then lol

It's known as education Victor, in this case letting them see another part of their own country and the fact that because there are different colours in it, it's not scarey. Exactly what they were teaching me about Germans. In those days, many schools swapped with Germany, to try and integrate the Germans back into society.

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:32 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:Really sassy...so those who cant afford to go ice skating get labeled racist now as well???

of course THATS just silly....

BUT I do seem to remember a certain school which threatened EXACTLY this on kids whos parents might not let them go on a vist to some "multicultural" jape.....

by Irn Bru Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:08 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:Really sassy...so those who cant afford to go ice skating get labeled racist now as well???

of course THATS just silly....

BUT I do seem to remember a certain school which threatened EXACTLY this on kids whos parents might not let them go on a vist to some "multicultural" jape....

Setting aside the separate discussion on the costs Victor, do you agree that the exchange visits will be beneficial to both sets of children?

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:09 pm

Are they going there to learn from the ethnics how to carry knives and stab each other??

by Irn Bru Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:13 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:Are they going there to learn from the ethnics how to carry knives and stab each other??

You should have read the Ofsted report on the school before putting your big foot in it.

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:15 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:Are they going there to learn from the ethnics how to carry knives and stab each other??

You should have read the Ofsted report on the school before putting your big foot in it.

I did it said "too white not multicultural enough need to make the dirty white children feel humiliated and ashamed for being white"

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:17 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
victorisnotamused wrote:Really sassy...so those who cant afford to go ice skating get labeled racist now as well???

of course THATS just silly....

BUT I do seem to remember a certain school which threatened EXACTLY this on kids whos parents might not let them go on a vist to some "multicultural" jape....

Setting aside the separate discussion on the costs Victor, do you agree that the exchange visits will be beneficial to both sets of children?

duno irn...

I'm sure BOTH sets will say how great and beneficial and multiculturalising the visit was, but as to benefit ::dunno::

I'm sure that the "over white" children of the village mentioned will THOUROUGHLY enjoy visiting an inner city
whilst the kids from the other school will no doubt derive great envy when visiting "civilisation"

by Guest Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:21 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

Setting aside the separate discussion on the costs Victor, do you agree that the exchange visits will be beneficial to both sets of children?

duno irn...

I'm sure BOTH sets will say how great and beneficial and multiculturalising the visit was, but as to benefit ::dunno::

I'm sure that the "over white" children of the village mentioned will THOUROUGHLY enjoy visiting an inner city
whilst the kids from the other school will no doubt derive great envy when visiting "civilisation"

Agreed what benefit is there to be had??

This is just leftwing social engineering at work

The fact that an EDUCATIONAL establishment is marked down because it's not "multicultural" enough is truly terrifying

by Tommy Monk Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:08 pm

I'm sure the Devon kids will be introduced to the multicult as how great and normal it is etc....

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