Labour on course for GE victory!!!

by scrat Sat May 24, 2014 10:26 am

UKIP 3 seats short of target is the surprise!!! How many councils did they win??? Zilch!,,,,and this despite the RWhinge throwing the kitchen sink and predicting an earthquake, so they turn up short, not even able to hit target, simply splitting the tory vote and this will serve its purpose, watching tories like Rees Mogg and Duncan Carswell smarm up to UKIP is excellent entertainment, and UKIP will continue to milk them, but their 17% of the vote share under the circumstances puts Labours 31% in the picture.

Labour projected 150 seats, they're 8 seats short of where they should be, but a lot closer thanks to UKIP, the fact that Labour gained so well in London is a massive blow to the tories and UKIP.

VOTE 2014 England
Party Councils SeatsParty Total Change +/- Total Change +/-
LAB 82 +6 1891 +292
CON 41 -11 1259 -201
LD 6 -2 404 -284
UKIP 0 0 157 +155
GRN 0 0 35 +17
OTH 0 0 111 +21
NOC 31 +7 N/A N/A
Results in full: England Northern Ireland

Despite the disgusting smear tactics levelled against Ed, his family and Labour Party the establishment have failed, and they'll continue to fail because the fact of the matter remains Labour are and always will be the only government natural to the British people.

Keep calm and vote Labour.

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 10:51 am

Delusional, Scrat!

::roglol::

by Eilzel Sat May 24, 2014 10:56 am

So Tess, what election outcome do you expect next year in all seriousness?

by scrat Sat May 24, 2014 11:19 am

Labour won a landslide victory 70 years ago because the great victorious British people wanted to live in country fit for hero's, fit for the people we are.

A half a century later and once again a landslide Labour victory, the people had suffered the abuse of Thatcherism long enough.

The British people want society, they want community, they want democracy, fairness and peace.

Landslide victories are themes from the past, we live in an era of cold reality and financial austerity, the only political party that can counteract some of the effects of capitalism is the Labour Party, considering anything else is just pants.

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 11:28 am

Eilzel wrote:So Tess, what election outcome do you expect next year in all seriousness?

Pretty much depends on the Scottish referendum. Labour would be well and truly stuffed if they voted to go their own way! If they did vote to stay in though, I expect it'll be the usual nowadays, no overall control. Another factor of course is whether Labour ditches Milliband, but it would be pretty suicidal if they did. TBH I can't predict the outcome, too many variables.

by Eilzel Sat May 24, 2014 11:40 am

Come on Tess; if pushed lol

by Fluffyx Sat May 24, 2014 11:43 am

scrat wrote:Labour won a landslide victory 70 years ago because the great victorious British people wanted to live in country fit for hero's, fit for the people we are.

A half a century later and once again a landslide Labour victory, the people had suffered the abuse of Thatcherism long enough.

The British people want society, they want community, they want democracy, fairness and peace.

.

Do they? Then why all the support for UKIP,a blatantly homophobic morally bankrupt party??

I think a significant amount of people don't want fairness and peace,infact they are sick of political correctness gagging them.They want to openly loathe people that are different to them.

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 11:47 am

Tesstacious wrote:
Eilzel wrote:So Tess, what election outcome do you expect next year in all seriousness?

Pretty much depends on the Scottish referendum. Labour would be well and truly stuffed if they voted to go their own way! If they did vote to stay in though, I expect it'll be the usual nowadays, no overall control. Another factor of course is whether Labour ditches Milliband, but it would be pretty suicidal if they did. TBH I can't predict the outcome, too many variables.

...what ?...no UKIP whitewash Tess? Laughing

Sphinx certainly thought that!!!...

A good few votes and the some on the right get oh so excited! Laughing

If UKIP ever do progress to winning seats and having much representation HOC.. it won't be anytime soon.

UKIP are going nowhere fast and they seem delighted about it...the Tories and Labour again next year...a two horse race.

Remember Clegg said that of the Tories and Dems? Laughing

UKIP can only realistically expect to do will on the issue of the EU in the future, and although Cameron feels pressure on issues like immigration from UKIP, they won't even come near the Tories in the GE Laughing

by Irn Bru Sat May 24, 2014 11:50 am

This from UK Polling Report website today...

I’m having a nice rest after the election, but a brief update to add the BBC’s projected national vote – CON 29%, LAB 31%, LD 13%, UKIP 17%.

So in relation to my previous comments on the local results, Labour’s lead is indeed only modest, very much in line with their position in the national polls. And rather than UKIP doing pretty much the same as they did in last year’s local elections, they’ve actually done significantly worse – 17% as opposed to the 23% they got last year.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Hmmmmmmm

by Fluffyx Sat May 24, 2014 11:54 am

Irn Bru wrote:This from UK Polling Report website today...

I’m having a nice rest after the election, but a brief update to add the BBC’s projected national vote – CON 29%, LAB 31%, LD 13%, UKIP 17%.

So in relation to my previous comments on the local results, Labour’s lead is indeed only modest, very much in line with their position in the national polls. And rather than UKIP doing pretty much the same as they did in last year’s local elections, they’ve actually done significantly worse – 17% as opposed to the 23% they got last year.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Hmmmmmmm

I'm a trifle confused.If UKIP have done significantly worse why is the media reporting that they have made headway? Why is Farage celebrating with a pint?

by Eilzel Sat May 24, 2014 11:57 am

Propaganda fluffy, propaganda. Though expect them to do better in EU elections tomorrow

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 12:09 pm

Eilzel wrote:Propaganda fluffy, propaganda. Though expect them to do better in EU elections tomorrow

That's right Les..and we are quite sure they will.

Farage with the pint is just him grinning and bearing it Fluffy..he will do well on the EU front, no doubt about it....but he is nowhere even near the main three parties ..well..main two really when it comes to voting in the GE next year ..

A party without a single MP in parliament could barely even dent Labour or the Tories...

What a dilemma for hardline RW next year!...vote UKIP but weaken the Tory vote, or vote Tory to stop Labour winning and leave UKIP further stranded at sea!!! Laughing

by eddie Sat May 24, 2014 12:12 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:
scrat wrote:Labour won a landslide victory 70 years ago because the great victorious British people wanted to live in country fit for hero's, fit for the people we are.

A half a century later and once again a landslide Labour victory, the people had suffered the abuse of Thatcherism long enough.

The British people want society, they want community, they want democracy, fairness and peace.

.

Do they? Then why all the support for UKIP,a blatantly homophobic morally bankrupt party??

I think a significant amount of people don't want fairness and peace,infact they are sick of political correctness gagging them.They want to openly loathe people that are different to them.

I think political correctness has gone crazy tbh.
I also don't think that most people want to loathe others who are different. I think we just want our country back a little.....the Spanish feel the same about us!!
Look what we've done to some of their little pieces of country!!

by Irn Bru Sat May 24, 2014 12:12 pm

Joy Division wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Propaganda fluffy, propaganda. Though expect them to do better in EU elections tomorrow

That's right Les..and we are quite sure they will.

Farage with the pint is just him grinning and bearing it Fluffy..he will do yell on the EU front, but he is nowhere even near the main three parties ..well..main two really when it comes to voting in the GE next year ..

A party without a single MP in parliament could barely even dent Labour or the Tories...

What a dilemma for hardline RW next year!...vote UKIP but weaken the Tory vote, or vote Tory to stop Labour winning and leave UKIP further stranded at sea!!!

Remember when he thought he'd have a pint and a press conference in a pub in the High Street in Edinburgh. Turned into a farce with him getting run out of town squealing like a wee bairn Laughing

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 12:30 pm

FluffyBunny wrote:
scrat wrote:Labour won a landslide victory 70 years ago because the great victorious British people wanted to live in country fit for hero's, fit for the people we are.

A half a century later and once again a landslide Labour victory, the people had suffered the abuse of Thatcherism long enough.

The British people want society, they want community, they want democracy, fairness and peace.

.

Do they? Then why all the support for UKIP,a blatantly homophobic morally bankrupt party??

I think a significant amount of people don't want fairness and peace,infact they are sick of political correctness gagging them.They want to openly loathe people that are different to them.

Sorry you've lost me. How is UKIP blatantly homophobic? scratch

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 12:32 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Joy Division wrote:

That's right Les..and we are quite sure they will.

Farage with the pint is just him grinning and bearing it Fluffy..he will do yell on the EU front, but he is nowhere even near the main three parties ..well..main two really when it comes to voting in the GE next year ..

A party without a single MP in parliament could barely even dent Labour or the Tories...

What a dilemma for hardline RW next year!...vote UKIP but weaken the Tory vote, or vote Tory to stop Labour winning and leave UKIP further stranded at sea!!!

Remember when he thought he'd have a pint and a press conference in a pub in the High Street in Edinburgh. Turned into a farce with him getting run out of town squealing like a wee bairn

How brave of you Scots! And how democratic - any party you disagree with, forget the ballot box, give 'em a kick in the heed... Jesus wept.

by Irn Bru Sat May 24, 2014 12:53 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Joy Division wrote:

That's right Les..and we are quite sure they will.

Farage with the pint is just him grinning and bearing it Fluffy..he will do yell on the EU front, but he is nowhere even near the main three parties ..well..main two really when it comes to voting in the GE next year ..

A party without a single MP in parliament could barely even dent Labour or the Tories...

What a dilemma for hardline RW next year!...vote UKIP but weaken the Tory vote, or vote Tory to stop Labour winning and leave UKIP further stranded at sea!!!

Remember when he thought he'd have a pint and a press conference in a pub in the High Street in Edinburgh. Turned into a farce with him getting run out of town squealing like a wee bairn
How brave of you Scots! And how democratic - any party you disagree with, forget the ballot box, give 'em a kick in the heed... Jesus wept.

No-one got kicked in the heed and you really need to update yourself on why the demonstration took place, who organised it and why and reading this article will help you to do just that.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/no-farage-protesters-werent-anti-english-they-were-anti-ukip

Note that the article tells you that it was organised by John Martin, the president of the Edinburgh College Students' Association - he's English.

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 12:53 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

Remember when he thought he'd have a pint and a press conference in a pub in the High Street in Edinburgh. Turned into a farce with him getting run out of town squealing like a wee bairn
How brave of you Scots! And how democratic - any party you disagree with, forget the ballot box, give 'em a kick in the heed... Jesus wept.

Who kicked him in the head Tess?..he only felt the wrath of a few voices Laughing

Us Scots do not tolerate racists Tess!

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 12:56 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
How brave of you Scots! And how democratic - any party you disagree with, forget the ballot box, give 'em a kick in the heed... Jesus wept.

No-one got kicked in the heed and you really need to update yourself on why the demonstration took place, who organised it and why and reading this article will help you to do just that.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/no-farage-protesters-werent-anti-english-they-were-anti-ukip

Note that the article tells you that it was organised by John Martin, the president of the Edinburgh College Students' Association - he's English.

Absolutely right Irn!, So because we do to want that sort running around here chasing votes , Farage was now assaulted!!

It was funny he was told to fcuk off!!...his intentions are negative and would only help encourage division amongst already growing tension and hatred.

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 12:58 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
How brave of you Scots! And how democratic - any party you disagree with, forget the ballot box, give 'em a kick in the heed... Jesus wept.

No-one got kicked in the heed and you really need to update yourself on why the demonstration took place, who organised it and why and reading this article will help you to do just that.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/no-farage-protesters-werent-anti-english-they-were-anti-ukip

Note that the article tells you that it was organised by John Martin, the president of the Edinburgh College Students' Association - he's English.

My mistake - change the word "Scots" to "Facist leftie rabble". Haven't really moved on from the crowds outside the Bastille cheering every time a head dropped in the basket!

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:02 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

No-one got kicked in the heed and you really need to update yourself on why the demonstration took place, who organised it and why and reading this article will help you to do just that.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/no-farage-protesters-werent-anti-english-they-were-anti-ukip

Note that the article tells you that it was organised by John Martin, the president of the Edinburgh College Students' Association - he's English.

My mistake - change the word "Scots" to "Facist leftie rabble". Haven't really moved on from the crowds outside the Bastille cheering every time a head dropped in the basket!

I never could work out how some have negative opinions of the left!..all lefties wish for is equality, fairness, non discrimination, a decent wage for all, no racism...

Things like that Tess.

Show Racism the red card.....Vote Labour.

Tess...(this is true) your the first ever extreme Irish RW I've ever 'met'!! Sad

by Irn Bru Sat May 24, 2014 1:08 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
How brave of you Scots! And how democratic - any party you disagree with, forget the ballot box, give 'em a kick in the heed... Jesus wept.

No-one got kicked in the heed and you really need to update yourself on why the demonstration took place, who organised it and why and reading this article will help you to do just that.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/no-farage-protesters-werent-anti-english-they-were-anti-ukip

Note that the article tells you that it was organised by John Martin, the president of the Edinburgh College Students' Association - he's English.

My mistake - change the word "Scots" to "Facist leftie rabble". Haven't really moved on from the crowds outside the Bastille cheering every time a head dropped in the basket!

Freedom to demonstrate against policies that some people believe are fundamentally wrong is totally democratic and a right that we should cherish - always.

Your analogy of guillotining people and heads dropping into baskets with that demonstration is completely ridiculous.

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:08 pm

Joy Division wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
My mistake - change the word "Scots" to "Facist leftie rabble". Haven't really moved on from the crowds outside the Bastille cheering every time a head dropped in the basket!

I never could work out how some have negative opinions of the left!..all lefties wish for is equality, fairness, non discrimination, a decent wage for all, no racism...

Things like that Tess.

Show Racism the red card.....Vote Labour.

Lefties are like muslims - the majority just want a decent life for all, but the activists... that's a different kettle of fish. It's always the leftie "peaceful" activists who turn up at meeting of people they don't agree with, and start the taunting and fighting. Maybe they just don't have the brains to argue their point, so resort to violence.

"Off with their heeds" ::lightsab::

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:13 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Joy Division wrote:

I never could work out how some have negative opinions of the left!..all lefties wish for is equality, fairness, non discrimination, a decent wage for all, no racism...

Things like that Tess.

Show Racism the red card.....Vote Labour.
Lefties are like muslims - the majority just want a decent life for all, but the activists... that's a differennt kettle of fish. It's always the leftie "peaceful" activists who turn up at meeting of people they don't agree with, and start the taunting and fighting. Maybe they just don't have the brains to argue their point, so resort to violence.

"Off with their heeds" ::lightsab::

In other words...lefties shouldn't have a right to argue their case, and if they show up, we will lie about them and say they became violent,,,then others will think bad of them, then we on the right...will be forever in control, because only we should be heard. Laughing

That's about it Tess.

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:14 pm

Joy Division wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
My mistake - change the word "Scots" to "Facist leftie rabble". Haven't really moved on from the crowds outside the Bastille cheering every time a head dropped in the basket!

I never could work out how some have negative opinions of the left!..all lefties wish for is equality, fairness, non discrimination, a decent wage for all, no racism...

Things like that Tess.

Show Racism the red card.....Vote Labour.

Tess...(this is true) your the first ever extreme Irish RW I've ever 'met'!!

That may be because I'm English! Anyway, haven't you read Tea's posts? (Can't remember what she calls herself on here). What's more, I'd say my views are pretty much like most of the Irish people I know over here - would help anyone out, caring, neighbourly, but very proud to be Irish! Same as me - doesn't mean we're all racists, or that we'd cause harm to anyone just because of the colour of their skin! (Might make an exception for the Scots though... ::roglol:: )

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:14 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
My mistake - change the word "Scots" to "Facist leftie rabble". Haven't really moved on from the crowds outside the Bastille cheering every time a head dropped in the basket!

Freedom to demonstrate against policies that some people believe are fundamentally wrong is totally democratic and a right that we should cherish - always.

Your analogy of guillotining people and heads dropping into baskets with that demonstration is completely ridiculous.

..she's off her head Irn!!! Laughing

by Irn Bru Sat May 24, 2014 1:15 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Joy Division wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
My mistake - change the word "Scots" to "Facist leftie rabble". Haven't really moved on from the crowds outside the Bastille cheering every time a head dropped in the basket!

I never could work out how some have negative opinions of the left!..all lefties wish for is equality, fairness, non discrimination, a decent wage for all, no racism...

Things like that Tess.

Show Racism the red card.....Vote Labour.
Lefties are like muslims - the majority just want a decent life for all, but the activists... that's a different kettle of fish. It's always the leftie "peaceful" activists who turn up at meeting of people they don't agree with, and start the taunting and fighting. Maybe they just don't have the brains to argue their point, so resort to violence.

"Off with their heeds" ::lightsab::

Turns out it wasn't Scots so let's rope in the Muslims instead.

Oh deary me
Labour on course for GE victory!!! 2Q==

by Irn Bru Sat May 24, 2014 1:18 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Joy Division wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
My mistake - change the word "Scots" to "Facist leftie rabble". Haven't really moved on from the crowds outside the Bastille cheering every time a head dropped in the basket!

I never could work out how some have negative opinions of the left!..all lefties wish for is equality, fairness, non discrimination, a decent wage for all, no racism...

Things like that Tess.

Show Racism the red card.....Vote Labour.

Tess...(this is true) your the first ever extreme Irish RW I've ever 'met'!!
That may be because I'm English! Anyway, haven't you read Tea's posts? (Can't remember what she calls herself on here). What's more, I'd say my views are pretty much like most of the Irish people I know over here - would help anyone out, caring, neighbourly, but very proud to be Irish! Same as me - doesn't mean we're all racists, or that we'd cause harm to anyone just because of the colour of their skin! (Might make an exception for the Scots though... ::roglol:: )

And Muslims Laughing

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:24 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/local-elections/10853181/Local-elections-2014-surge-by-Ukip-throws-Labour-into-poll-crisis.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/10853740/Voters-dont-believe-Tory-EU-referendum-pledge-warns-George-Osborne.html

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100273021/labour-can-win-the-general-election-but-ed-miliband-needs-to-fall-on-his-sword/

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:25 pm

I've said it before - it isn't racist against non-racist - it's the English against the rest.

Problem is, there aint many English left.

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:27 pm

Vote Labour!!

by Irn Bru Sat May 24, 2014 1:27 pm

Joy Division wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
My mistake - change the word "Scots" to "Facist leftie rabble". Haven't really moved on from the crowds outside the Bastille cheering every time a head dropped in the basket!

Freedom to demonstrate against policies that some people believe are fundamentally wrong is totally democratic and a right that we should cherish - always.

Your analogy of guillotining people and heads dropping into baskets with that demonstration is completely ridiculous.

..she's off her head Irn!!!

Tess isn't normally like this JD so I suspect she's maybe had a wee bump on the heed or opened a bottle of wine a bit too early in the day.

Anyway, I gotta go so catch you later.

Irn Laughing

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:27 pm

And this let Labour rule ME AND MY FAMILY?!

2005 General Election

Labour on course for GE victory!!! 421px-11

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:32 pm

1997 General Election:

Labour on course for GE victory!!! 375px-10

Remind me - how many people live in Scotland and Wales?

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:33 pm

2010 General Election, and we still can't have who we wanted in charge:

Labour on course for GE victory!!! 614px-11

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:36 pm

Eilzel wrote:Propaganda fluffy, propaganda. Though expect them to do better in EU elections tomorrow

Propaganda of not Les I wonder if the reported success of UKIP in these elections will encourage more to vote for them next year. It's a strong message that people want to see real change Labour on course for GE victory!!! Enough10

Labour on course for GE victory!!! Enough10

........we shall see

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 1:41 pm

Irn Bru wrote:This from UK Polling Report website today...

I’m having a nice rest after the election, but a brief update to add the BBC’s projected national vote – CON 29%, LAB 31%, LD 13%, UKIP 17%.

So in relation to my previous comments on the local results, Labour’s lead is indeed only modest, very much in line with their position in the national polls. And rather than UKIP doing pretty much the same as they did in last year’s local elections, they’ve actually done significantly worse – 17% as opposed to the 23% they got last year.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Hmmmmmmm

But as was pointed out on sky last night a lot of UKIPs gain are in areas where they have had no previous presence. Watch what happens when they get there act together in london, they have already won over Essex man

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 2:03 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Joy Division wrote:

..she's off her head Irn!!!

Tess isn't normally like this JD so I suspect she's maybe had a wee bump on the heed or opened a bottle of wine a bit too early in the day.

Anyway, I gotta go so catch you later.

Irn

Ok Irn, see ya ! Smile

by Fred Moletrousers Sat May 24, 2014 5:42 pm

Nems wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:This from UK Polling Report website today...

I’m having a nice rest after the election, but a brief update to add the BBC’s projected national vote – CON 29%, LAB 31%, LD 13%, UKIP 17%.

So in relation to my previous comments on the local results, Labour’s lead is indeed only modest, very much in line with their position in the national polls. And rather than UKIP doing pretty much the same as they did in last year’s local elections, they’ve actually done significantly worse – 17% as opposed to the 23% they got last year.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Hmmmmmmm

But as was pointed out on sky last night a lot of UKIPs gain are in areas where they have had no previous presence. Watch what happens when they get there act together in london, they have already won over Essex man

It was always evident that no matter how well UKIP did in the elections, "the establishment" in the form of the three main political parties and the opinion-forming sectors of the news media would do their utmost to belittle their performance.

The inescapable fact is that in the local elections UKIP picked up 163 seats whereas before the polls they had none. And that is about a half of the seats gained by the Liberal Democrats who have a past record of performing pretty well overall in local government elections.

Not bad for the new kid on the political block, eh?

I would imagine that Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are not looking forward to the results of the far more important EU election with anything resembling enthusiasm, while "Nige" will, I feel, already be setting up the pints.

There was no local election in my area, so it would be pointless for me to speculate on how I would have voted; I'm one of those tiresome, old fashioned voters who actually reads a candidate's CV and manifesto before voting for him or her.

I did, however, have a postal European Parliament vote because I was in glorious Northumberland on holiday on polling day...and it went to UKIP.

I feel more than comfortable with that because European Parliament votes, which I firmly believe give the electorate absolutely no genuine powers and are a convenient fig-leaf to attempt to obscure the utterly undemocratic status of the European Union, are cast not for people based on their abilities but for parties based on their (usually broken) promises.

And it was, I will cheerfully admit, a protest vote...a protest about the way we are being dragged relentlessly into a de facto United States of Europe in which we are not allowed to vote for our President or Head of State (no need for the purists here to remind me that in the UK we do not vote for our head of state...because her Majesty reigns but does not rule); we are not allowed to vote for our cabinet and executive and we are allowed absolutely no say whatsoever in either the performance or behaviour of our civil service.

In fact the European Union is about as democratic as a South American banana republic run by a military junta.

If UKIP are going to spearhead a real movement to get us out, while Cameron makes a promise that he will not keep; Miliband will say and do exactly what his union baron paymasters tell him to say and do and Clegg continues to look forward to the day when the good and sensible burghers of Sheffield chuck him out so he can get back to living high on the hog as the Eurocrat that he once was, then UKIP will get my vote.

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 5:51 pm

Hi Edmund ...

I wouldn't quite say anyone is belittling anything!

We're only being truthful in that while UKIP have made gains..they are not even close to what they would need to ne successful in General Elections.

If anyone thinks so, and that UKIP will have many MP's in the HOC next year , they should say so..

But I doubt anyone will have such enormous confidence in them,

Yeah,mthen have done well , it I think some are getting just a tad over excited..

Just like when the BNP 'craze' kicked off. Laughing

Although they have done well in other areas, London boroughs are just so cosmopolitan, I just don't see that as outright UKIP territory.

But rock on the UKIP's ::rockout::

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 5:55 pm

The only RW poster who I know of who has been loyal to the Tories has been our Gerbs...

If I had to choose between UKIP and the Tories..I would have to join Gerbs!

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 5:57 pm

Sorry Me Lord, new kids on the block?
Hardly new and all that has been done is many people protest vote and I thought they would actually win some councils over all and they id not even win one, to me after all the hype to me it was a small gain, nothing to write home about.

Cameron will follow through with his pledge to say he will not, is what Ukippers believe, but not myself an many Tories. The reality is as seen in polls the majority at present do not even want to leave Europe, so clearly that message was not what made people vote for UKIP and it certainly is nothing to do with their policies, as seen which are awful, it had everything to do with a mass of working class Brits using a protest vote to wake up the main parties.

Sorry but he point also of MEP's is for a democratic process to have a voice and say within the EU, it is a false premise to say it is not and again it was Churchill who advocated this united Europe after too bloody world wars, that Europe would never sink again into such wars. I think people are reading too much into this to be honest me Lord, because unless UKIP radically changes its policies, it will be lucky to win 4 seats in a general election. The joke for voting for UKIP in the EU elections is the do nothing in the interest for the British public whilst there, it is a wasted vote, the real vote that would count would be in a general election not one on the EU, hence why people are more protesting than having any real belief in UKIP

by Fred Moletrousers Sat May 24, 2014 5:58 pm

Scrat may, of course, be right in his typically gloating thread title.

However, he might just care to cast his mind back to 1992 when, buoyed up by similar predictions, a certain Welsh windbag called Neil Kinnock strutted around a stage in Sheffield on election night chanting "we're alright" like a parrot on speed...only, hours later, to have to concede defeat to probably one of the worst Tory PM's since the war.

Ps: Yes, although I know John Major personally and think that he was, and still is in spite of his escapade with 'orrible Edwina, a very nice guy, he was an unmitigated disaster as a party leader and PM...save for his tireless backstage efforts on the Northern Ireland peace process for which Tony Blair shamelessly, some years later, claimed entire credit.

by Fred Moletrousers Sat May 24, 2014 6:09 pm

Joy Division wrote:Hi Edmund ...

I wouldn't quite say anyone is belittling anything!

Not my impression while catching up after a week's holiday with the new lady in my life, during which the election failed dismally to claim my undivided attention!

We're only being truthful in that while UKIP have made gains..they are not even close to what they would need to ne successful in General Elections.

I wouldn't deny that...their main raison d'etre at the moment is to rattle the mainstream parties into doing something positive about the EU scandal...and, by God, they might at last be doing it.

If anyone thinks so, and that UKIP will have many MP's in the HOC next year , they should say so..

They won't...I reckon 3-5.

But I doubt anyone will have such enormous confidence in them,

Yeah,mthen have done well , it I think some are getting just a tad over excited..

Just like when the BNP 'craze' kicked off.

The differences between UKIP and the BNP - and their supporters - are far, far to numerous to discuss here...particularly when (a) my dog needs walking and (b) I need to cook my dinner!

Although they have done well in other areas, London boroughs are just so cosmopolitan, I just don't see that as outright UKIP territory.

But rock on the UKIP's ::rockout::

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 6:14 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Joy Division wrote:Hi Edmund ...

I wouldn't quite say anyone is belittling anything!

Not my impression while catching up after a week's holiday with the new lady in my life, during which the election failed dismally to claim my undivided attention!

We're only being truthful in that while UKIP have made gains..they are not even close to what they would need to ne successful in General Elections.

I wouldn't deny that...their main raison d'etre at the moment is to rattle the mainstream parties into doing something positive about the EU scandal...and, by God, they might at last be doing it.

If anyone thinks so, and that UKIP will have many MP's in the HOC next year , they should say so..

They won't...I reckon 3-5.

But I doubt anyone will have such enormous confidence in them,

Yeah,mthen have done well , it I think some are getting just a tad over excited..

Just like when the BNP 'craze' kicked off.

The differences between UKIP and the BNP - and their supporters - are far, far to numerous to discuss here...particularly when (a) my dog needs walking and (b) I need to cook my dinner!

Although they have done well in other areas, London boroughs are just so cosmopolitan, I just don't see that as outright UKIP territory.

But rock on the UKIP's ::rockout::

Hey Ed, ..I reckon a similar amount..maybe two or even three MP's.

Everything with the new lady sounds to be going well! Smile

by Fred Moletrousers Sat May 24, 2014 6:23 pm

Didge wrote:Sorry Me Lord, new kids on the block?
Hardly new and all that has been done is many people protest vote and I thought they would actually win some councils over all and they id not even win one, to me after all the hype to me it was a small gain, nothing to write home about.

Cameron will follow through with his pledge to say he will not, is what Ukippers believe, but not myself an many Tories. The reality is as seen in polls the majority at present do not even want to leave Europe, so clearly that message was not what made people vote for UKIP and it certainly is nothing to do with their policies, as seen which are awful, it had everything to do with a mass of working class Brits using a protest vote to wake up the main parties.

Sorry but he point also of MEP's is for a democratic process to have a voice and say within the EU, it is a false premise to say it is not and again it was Churchill who advocated this united Europe after too bloody world wars, that Europe would never sink again into such wars. I think people are reading too much into this to be honest me Lord, because unless UKIP radically changes its policies, it will be lucky to win 4 seats in a general election. The joke for voting for UKIP in the EU elections is the do nothing in the interest for the British public whilst there, it is a wasted vote, the real vote that would count would be in a general election not one on the EU, hence why people are more protesting than having any real belief in UKIP

"New" in terms of having council seats, Didge. Personally, I never thought that they would actually win a council; having a presence and a voice is a valuable start...as has been the case with many political parties since the Whigs and Tories dominated the scene.

Cameron's commitment to a referendum is, to say the very least, lukewarm. He doesn't want one; he'll campaign against a "no" vote and - like Brown - he'll do his utmost to wriggle out of one at the last minute, in my opinion.

Churchill never contemplated a United States of Europe run on undemocratic principles; he and others like him believed that trade would be the catalyst to a conflict-free Europe of free and independent nations.

The "voice" which MEPs have in Europe is woefully limited (mostly centred on budgeting) and can - and is - routinely ignored by the Commission. The salaries, perks and privileges of MEPs are clearly intended to keep them "on message" and away from potential mischief-making.

I know that votes for UKIP are protest votes at the moment. I wanted to protest - so I voted UKIP. I'll bet my bottom dollar that a hell of a lot of voters did the same.

I agree with your prediction of parliamentary seats.

by Fred Moletrousers Sat May 24, 2014 6:27 pm

Joy Division wrote:

Hey Ed, ..I reckon a similar amount..maybe two or even three MP's.

Everything with the new lady sounds to be going well!

We've been friends for over 40 years and she was the one friend who stood by Ann until the last. We share a hell of a lot of interests, though she's far brainier than I am - more letters after her name than there are in the bloody alphabet!

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 6:49 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Didge wrote:Sorry Me Lord, new kids on the block?
Hardly new and all that has been done is many people protest vote and I thought they would actually win some councils over all and they id not even win one, to me after all the hype to me it was a small gain, nothing to write home about.

Cameron will follow through with his pledge to say he will not, is what Ukippers believe, but not myself an many Tories. The reality is as seen in polls the majority at present do not even want to leave Europe, so clearly that message was not what made people vote for UKIP and it certainly is nothing to do with their policies, as seen which are awful, it had everything to do with a mass of working class Brits using a protest vote to wake up the main parties.

Sorry but he point also of MEP's is for a democratic process to have a voice and say within the EU, it is a false premise to say it is not and again it was Churchill who advocated this united Europe after too bloody world wars, that Europe would never sink again into such wars. I think people are reading too much into this to be honest me Lord, because unless UKIP radically changes its policies, it will be lucky to win 4 seats in a general election. The joke for voting for UKIP in the EU elections is the do nothing in the interest for the British public whilst there, it is a wasted vote, the real vote that would count would be in a general election not one on the EU, hence why people are more protesting than having any real belief in UKIP

"New" in terms of having council seats, Didge. Personally, I never thought that they would actually win a council; having a presence and a voice is a valuable start...as has been the case with many political parties since the Whigs and Tories dominated the scene.

Cameron's commitment to a referendum is, to say the very least, lukewarm. He doesn't want one; he'll campaign against a "no" vote and - like Brown - he'll do his utmost to wriggle out of one at the last minute, in my opinion.

Churchill never contemplated a United States of Europe run on undemocratic principles; he and others like him believed that trade would be the catalyst to a conflict-free Europe of free and independent nations.

The "voice" which MEPs have in Europe is woefully limited (mostly centred on budgeting) and can - and is - routinely ignored by the Commission. The salaries, perks and privileges of MEPs are clearly intended to keep them "on message" and away from potential mischief-making.

I know that votes for UKIP are protest votes at the moment. I wanted to protest - so I voted UKIP. I'll bet my bottom dollar that a hell of a lot of voters did the same.

I agree with your prediction of parliamentary seats.

I should really learn not to go toe to toe with you in political debates, when you far exceed my knowledge on the subject lol
I am all for power being retain by the host nation, and would like to see the EU reform me Lord.
Glad things in your life are going well also, really lovely to hear

by Guest Sat May 24, 2014 6:55 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Joy Division wrote:

Hey Ed, ..I reckon a similar amount..maybe two or even three MP's.

Everything with the new lady sounds to be going well!

We've been friends for over 40 years and she was the one friend who stood by Ann until the last. We share a hell of a lot of interests, though she's far brainier than I am - more letters after her name than there are in the bloody alphabet!

I see what you mean Ed..that mist mean a hell of a lot to you that she stood by Ann like that.

She's not got a huge welsh name has she? Laughing

Actually im sure you mentioned she was Scots or had a Scots name in previous communication between us?

by Fred Moletrousers Sat May 24, 2014 7:11 pm

Joy Division wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

We've been friends for over 40 years and she was the one friend who stood by Ann until the last. We share a hell of a lot of interests, though she's far brainier than I am - more letters after her name than there are in the bloody alphabet!

I see what you mean Ed..that mist mean a hell of a lot to you that she stood by Ann like that.

She's not got a huge welsh name has she?

Actually im sure you mentioned she was Scots or had a Scots name in previous communication between us?

Definitely Scots...a good old McWotsit, though by marriage of course. Her late husband (my best drinking buddy) was a hairy-kneed Highlander who was most expert at reciting the Address to the Haggis on Burns Night - before assassinating the poor thing with a bloody big dagger.

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