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Raggamuffin wrote:FluffyBunny wrote:
Ok then I'll be honest with you.I think you,and your OH are scum.
I haven't seen anything relating to his late father and I certainly would not condone that.
I think you and him are bullies and liars who twist and distort and play with people's feelings for fun.
Haven't seen it? What a lying cow you are. Your opinion of me is not relevant because you're the lowest of the low. Do crawl back under your rock, and take your pimp with you.
I'm not lying Ragga,I promise you I have not seen anything about Stooo's dad.
I have seen your OH threatening to urinate on the graves of other people's loved ones though,that I have seen.
You shouldn't bring up all this murky business because what you and your OH say is far worse than what is said to you.You only reveal yourself to be a bully and a liar.
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FluffyBunny wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
Haven't seen it? What a lying cow you are. Your opinion of me is not relevant because you're the lowest of the low. Do crawl back under your rock, and take your pimp with you.
I'm not lying Ragga,I promise you I have not seen anything about Stooo's dad.
I have seen your OH threatening to urinate on the graves of other people's loved ones though,that I have seen.
You shouldn't bring up all this murky business because what you and your OH say is far worse than what is said to you.You only reveal yourself to be a bully and a liar.
You didn't see someone say they were going to throw some used tampons on his dad's grave then? Strange really as you posted in that thread - lying cow. You haven't seen people on there call his father a paedo? Lying cow.
Just do one. I know you're good at this "Miss Innocent" act but you don't fool me.
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lovedust wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
I don't give a stuff. Go and tell someone who cares about the horrible cow.
There's no arguing with "reasoning" like this.
That's the way she is. It will never change,I feel sorry for her these days.
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FluffyBunny wrote:lovedust wrote:
There's no arguing with "reasoning" like this.
That's the way she is. It will never change,I feel sorry for her these days.
I don't feel sorry for you. I hope you rot ...
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Raggamuffin wrote:FluffyBunny wrote:
I'm not lying Ragga,I promise you I have not seen anything about Stooo's dad.
I have seen your OH threatening to urinate on the graves of other people's loved ones though,that I have seen.
You shouldn't bring up all this murky business because what you and your OH say is far worse than what is said to you.You only reveal yourself to be a bully and a liar.
You didn't see someone say they were going to throw some used tampons on his dad's grave then? Strange really as you posted in that thread - lying cow. You haven't seen people on there call his father a paedo? Lying cow.
Just do one. I know you're good at this "Miss Innocent" act but you don't fool me.
No i didn't! Ragga its not an 'innocent act',I make mistakes and admit to them nor do I read all the posts in any given thread at all times.
If someone made a disgusting remark like that I do not condone it.
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FluffyBunny wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
You didn't see someone say they were going to throw some used tampons on his dad's grave then? Strange really as you posted in that thread - lying cow. You haven't seen people on there call his father a paedo? Lying cow.
Just do one. I know you're good at this "Miss Innocent" act but you don't fool me.
No i didn't! Ragga its not an 'innocent act',I make mistakes and admit to them nor do I read all the posts in any given thread at all times.
If someone made a disgusting remark like that I do not condone it.
Piss off - liar.
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Raggamuffin wrote:FluffyBunny wrote:
That's the way she is. It will never change,I feel sorry for her these days.
I don't feel sorry for you. I hope you rot ...
Well unforunatly for you,my ankle aside,I'm in good health and so is my OH and loved ones so i'm not....rotting.
That you feel this amount of hatred is a bit upsetting because I don't hate you.I don't like you very much but I think you're troubled.
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No i didn't! Ragga its not an 'innocent act',I make mistakes and admit to them nor do I read all the posts in any given thread at all times.
If someone made a disgusting remark like that I do not condone it.
Piss off - liar.
You're the only liar here.
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FluffyBunny wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
I don't feel sorry for you. I hope you rot ...
Well unforunatly for you,my ankle aside,I'm in good health and so is my OH and loved ones so i'm not....rotting.
That you feel this amount of hatred is a bit upsetting because I don't hate you.I don't like you very much but I think you're troubled.
I think you're sick ...
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Piss off - liar.
You're the only liar here.
Awww, what's up? Don't you like me pointing out that you're part of a gang of twats who call someone's father a paedo?
Shame on you.
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........and to think you were once her closest friend, what about the buttons he was pressing? You know Nems better than most you know how she would have felt about all of this. Don't you think that Phil's anger with Nems was more about your anger with her that his????? They hurt each other yes I will admit. You accuse people of not having empathy yet you choose to cause someone you claimed to care about deeply so much pain
Nems is vulnerable too, you know her circumstances, just because she doesn't share it online doesn't mean she hasn't a lot to cope with. You should take a look at yourself Sass.
No FTL, you should take a look at yourself. Phils anger to do with me? You are seriously off your rocker. He was angry about being called a scrounger and the things that were said about Doug. You do like to think that everything is to do with me don't you. She doesn't have any more to cope with than I do, and that didn't stop you did it?
As to her, or you, being a friend, you obviously weren't, or you wouldn't have carried on like you did, so I'm afraid that simply doesn't wash. If she was that worried about what Phil was saying, she could have simply stopped posting to him, instead of deliberately going out of her way to stir him up. You should take a long hard look at yourself and the fact that you just love to make everything about me. As i said, I deliberately stayed out of Phil's threads, to the point he got upset and thought I wasn't talking to him, and said so in one of the threads.
You are so up yourself and so desperately wanting to look like Miss Sugar and Spice that you just have to keep on and on and on. Frankly, I couldn't give a monkey's arse about either of you, because you were both fake.
Everyone is off their rocker apart from you aren't they Sassy. Everyone is wrong apart from you, you are right every single time. You are never guilty of hurting anyone, making a mistake, being wrong.
I doubt you could find anyone online or otherwise who would accuse me of being up myself. Give Nems a break, you've hurt her enough
As for me being Miss Sugar and Spice, I noticed Phil's comments to me. No one else refers to me in that way so who is being vindictive????
As for your obsession with Quill, we've all seen enough. Leave the poor guy alone. You've moved on with your life and have much to look forward to and enjoy
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Raggamuffin wrote:FluffyBunny wrote:
Well unforunatly for you,my ankle aside,I'm in good health and so is my OH and loved ones so i'm not....rotting.
That you feel this amount of hatred is a bit upsetting because I don't hate you.I don't like you very much but I think you're troubled.
I think you're sick ...
I think you're sick.
Clinically.
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I think you're sick ...
I think you're sick.
Clinically.
Oooooh, do you mean "vulnerable"?
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feelthelove wrote:Sassy wrote:
No FTL, you should take a look at yourself. Phils anger to do with me? You are seriously off your rocker. He was angry about being called a scrounger and the things that were said about Doug. You do like to think that everything is to do with me don't you. She doesn't have any more to cope with than I do, and that didn't stop you did it?
As to her, or you, being a friend, you obviously weren't, or you wouldn't have carried on like you did, so I'm afraid that simply doesn't wash. If she was that worried about what Phil was saying, she could have simply stopped posting to him, instead of deliberately going out of her way to stir him up. You should take a long hard look at yourself and the fact that you just love to make everything about me. As i said, I deliberately stayed out of Phil's threads, to the point he got upset and thought I wasn't talking to him, and said so in one of the threads.
You are so up yourself and so desperately wanting to look like Miss Sugar and Spice that you just have to keep on and on and on. Frankly, I couldn't give a monkey's arse about either of you, because you were both fake.
Everyone is off their rocker apart from you aren't they Sassy. Everyone is wrong apart from you, you are right every single time. You are never guilty of hurting anyone, making a mistake, being wrong.
I doubt you could find anyone online or otherwise who would accuse me of being up myself. Give Nems a break, you've hurt her enough
As for me being Miss Sugar and Spice, I noticed Phil's comments to me. No one else refers to me in that way so who is being vindictive????
As for your obsession with Quill, we've all seen enough. Leave the poor guy alone. You've moved on with your life and have much to look forward to and enjoy
Whatever FTL, you see I don't give a fuck what you or Nems think, you are absolutely nothing to me now, and that was your doing, so live with it.
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Raggamuffin wrote:FluffyBunny wrote:
You're the only liar here.
Awww, what's up? Don't you like me pointing out that you're part of a gang of twats who call someone's father a paedo?
Shame on you.
I haven't seen it and usually I would leave it there,but I'm going to take a tip from you.
I don't think that's even been said,you're making it up because you're a liar.
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Raggamuffin wrote:FluffyBunny wrote:
I think you're sick.
Clinically.
Oooooh, do you mean "vulnerable"?
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More predatory.
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Awww, what's up? Don't you like me pointing out that you're part of a gang of twats who call someone's father a paedo?
Shame on you.
I haven't seen it and usually I would leave it there,but I'm going to take a tip from you.
I don't think that's even been said,you're making it up because you're a liar.
You wish I was making it up, but you know I'm not because you read it and turned a blind eye.
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FluffyBunny wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
Oooooh, do you mean "vulnerable"?
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More predatory.
Even better!
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I haven't seen it and usually I would leave it there,but I'm going to take a tip from you.
I don't think that's even been said,you're making it up because you're a liar.
You wish I was making it up, but you know I'm not because you read it and turned a blind eye.
I haven't read it.If it exists pm me and tell me where it is.
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You wish I was making it up, but you know I'm not because you read it and turned a blind eye.
I haven't read it.If it exists pm me and tell me where it is.
Go and read it for yourself. Oh, and it was the admin there who said it - using a sock account of course. The stuff about the tampons is in the thread about banjos - the one you posted in.
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I haven't read it.If it exists pm me and tell me where it is.
Go and read it for yourself. Oh, and it was the admin there who said it - using a sock account of course. The stuff about the tampons is in the thread about banjos - the one you posted in.
Alright then,i will take a look.
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Go and read it for yourself. Oh, and it was the admin there who said it - using a sock account of course. The stuff about the tampons is in the thread about banjos - the one you posted in.
Alright then,i will take a look.
I suppose you "missed" that disgusting blog about Claire as well.
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Everyone is off their rocker apart from you aren't they Sassy. Everyone is wrong apart from you, you are right every single time. You are never guilty of hurting anyone, making a mistake, being wrong.
I doubt you could find anyone online or otherwise who would accuse me of being up myself. Give Nems a break, you've hurt her enough
As for me being Miss Sugar and Spice, I noticed Phil's comments to me. No one else refers to me in that way so who is being vindictive????
As for your obsession with Quill, we've all seen enough. Leave the poor guy alone. You've moved on with your life and have much to look forward to and enjoy
Whatever FTL, you see I don't give a fuck what you or Nems think, you are absolutely nothing to me now, and that was your doing, so live with it.
Good, I'm happy for your all. Life is too short x
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Raggamuffin wrote:FluffyBunny wrote:
Alright then,i will take a look.
I suppose you "missed" that disgusting blog about Claire as well.
Ragga it was YOUR OH that wrote that blog about Claire!
Ok,onto the comment.I posted on page 1 of that thread,that comment is there but four pages later so no wonder I didn't see it.
Someone did make a vile comment I agree and EVERYONE said it was out of order and un acceptable.The admin did not condone that comment.
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Ragga,this is my last word on this.I don't know all the history between the two forums and i don't know how it even all started or WHY everyone hates each other now.
I only know the gang mentality experienced on your OH's forum.
Now just drop this on here and let it go.
I only know the gang mentality experienced on your OH's forum.
Now just drop this on here and let it go.
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FluffyBunny wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
I suppose you "missed" that disgusting blog about Claire as well.
Ragga it was YOUR OH that wrote that blog about Claire!
Ok,onto the comment.I posted on page 1 of that thread,that comment is there but four pages later so no wonder I didn't see it.
Someone did make a vile comment I agree and EVERYONE said it was out of order and un acceptable.The admin did not condone that comment.
It was not Stooo. You really believe Edna and her filthy lies don't you? I shall laugh so much when she turns on you.
Well now you've seen the comment, so you know the kind of people you're posting with. That should make you happy - what with you being such a skank.
Purr didn't think the comment was disgusting, but then he made revolting comments too - and him admin too.
By the way, it was him who called Stooo's dad a paedo. He also libelled another of Stooo's relatives.
Nice mates you have eh?
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FluffyBunny wrote:Ragga,this is my last word on this.I don't know all the history between the two forums and i don't know how it even all started or WHY everyone hates each other now.
I only know the gang mentality experienced on your OH's forum.
Now just drop this on here and let it go.
Well now you know what happens on that place you love so much, and now you know why I think you're skanky. It's probably also why Stooo thinks that too - although I don't want to put words into his mouth. You associate with scum, and that makes you scum as well.
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OK ! 4 pages on someone who will be back posting here within a fortnight . Slight overkill ?
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I would suggest that you all remember the famous words of General Douglas MacArthur when he left the Philippines for Australia during World War Two.
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Fred Moletrousers wrote:I would suggest that you all remember the famous words of General Douglas MacArthur when he left the Philippines for Australia during World War Two.
Was it something about cricket?
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Fred Moletrousers wrote:I would suggest that you all remember the famous words of General Douglas MacArthur when he left the Philippines for Australia during World War Two.
Remember ?
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Raggamuffin wrote:FluffyBunny wrote:Ragga,this is my last word on this.I don't know all the history between the two forums and i don't know how it even all started or WHY everyone hates each other now.
I only know the gang mentality experienced on your OH's forum.
Now just drop this on here and let it go.
Well now you know what happens on that place you love so much, and now you know why I think you're skanky. It's probably also why Stooo thinks that too - although I don't want to put words into his mouth. You associate with scum, and that makes you scum as well.
I have just read your OH's forum and i am being called a worthless ---- and a worthless sack of shit and apparently I now have no genitals either.
It's sick,you're sick and you have been playing me like a fiddle.
Back on ignore you go.
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Well now you know what happens on that place you love so much, and now you know why I think you're skanky. It's probably also why Stooo thinks that too - although I don't want to put words into his mouth. You associate with scum, and that makes you scum as well.
I have just read your OH's forum and i am being called a worthless ---- and a worthless sack of shit and apparently I now have no genitals either.
It's sick,you're sick and you have been playing me like a fiddle.
Back on ignore you go.
Good. Keep it that way. All the time you're on that cesspit called Bitchfest, you'll get no sympathy from me.
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Ragga it was YOUR OH that wrote that blog about Claire!
Ok,onto the comment.I posted on page 1 of that thread,that comment is there but four pages later so no wonder I didn't see it.
Someone did make a vile comment I agree and EVERYONE said it was out of order and un acceptable.The admin did not condone that comment.
It was not Stooo. You really believe Edna and her filthy lies don't you? I shall laugh so much when she turns on you.
Well now you've seen the comment, so you know the kind of people you're posting with. That should make you happy - what with you being such a skank.
Purr didn't think the comment was disgusting, but then he made revolting comments too - and him admin too.
By the way, it was him who called Stooo's dad a paedo. He also libelled another of Stooo's relatives.
Nice mates you have eh?
Your mates are worse.
I think the people must be suffering from some sort of mental disorder,they are all quite mad.
Outside that absurd forum the rubbish spoken about me would just get laughed at.No one on here thinks i look revolting and 53 years old er because I don't
Sorry but I think its a form of rabid jealousy,and your guest posters make a fool of themselves.
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Raggamuffin wrote:Fred Moletrousers wrote:I would suggest that you all remember the famous words of General Douglas MacArthur when he left the Philippines for Australia during World War Two.
Was it something about cricket?
Cricket? An American? Good grief, the Americans don't "do" cricket!
What he said was "I shall return..."
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I have just read your OH's forum and i am being called a worthless ---- and a worthless sack of shit and apparently I now have no genitals either.
It's sick,you're sick and you have been playing me like a fiddle.
Back on ignore you go.
Good. Keep it that way. All the time you're on that cesspit called Bitchfest, you'll get no sympathy from me.
I would never accept anything from the likes of you,thankyou very much.
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It was not Stooo. You really believe Edna and her filthy lies don't you? I shall laugh so much when she turns on you.
Well now you've seen the comment, so you know the kind of people you're posting with. That should make you happy - what with you being such a skank.
Purr didn't think the comment was disgusting, but then he made revolting comments too - and him admin too.
By the way, it was him who called Stooo's dad a paedo. He also libelled another of Stooo's relatives.
Nice mates you have eh?
Your mates are worse.
I think the people must be suffering from some sort of mental disorder,they are all quite mad.
Outside that absurd forum the rubbish spoken about me would just get laughed at.No one on here thinks i look revolting and 53 years old er because I don't
Sorry but I think its a form of rabid jealousy,and your guest posters make a fool of themselves.
Oh, you didn't put me on ignore then.
The old "jealousy" chestnut eh? It's just toooooo funny. ::smthg::
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Good. Keep it that way. All the time you're on that cesspit called Bitchfest, you'll get no sympathy from me.
I would never accept anything from the likes of you,thankyou very much.
Is your foe button not working? ://?roflmao?/:
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Stephenmarra wrote:Fred Moletrousers wrote:I would suggest that you all remember the famous words of General Douglas MacArthur when he left the Philippines for Australia during World War Two.
Remember ?
OK, ok, it was before your time youngster lol (actually it was before mine as well, I wasn't born until after the end of the war). He said 'I shall return'!!!!
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Fred Moletrousers wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
Was it something about cricket?
Cricket? An American? Good grief, the Americans don't "do" cricket!
What he said was "I shall return..."
The Australians do though.
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Raggamuffin wrote:FluffyBunny wrote:
Your mates are worse.
I think the people must be suffering from some sort of mental disorder,they are all quite mad.
Outside that absurd forum the rubbish spoken about me would just get laughed at.No one on here thinks i look revolting and 53 years old er because I don't
Sorry but I think its a form of rabid jealousy,and your guest posters make a fool of themselves.
Oh, you didn't put me on ignore then.
The old "jealousy" chestnut eh? It's just toooooo funny. ::smthg::
I think the people on your site are jealous of anyone who is happy with themselves Ragga.You are a very insecure bunch,when all is said and done.
No you disgust me and you are going on ignore.
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FluffyBunny wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
Oh, you didn't put me on ignore then.
The old "jealousy" chestnut eh? It's just toooooo funny. ::smthg::
I think the people on your site are jealous of anyone who is happy with themselves Ragga.You are a very insecure bunch,when all is said and done.
No you disgust me and you are going on ignore.
The people on my site are very happy - not that you'd know because you're not a member. ::D::
You must be a very unhappy person to befriend that shower of shit on Bitchfest.
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Right , got it , profound and all that, but remember ? gulp !Sassy wrote:Stephenmarra wrote:
Remember ?
OK, ok, it was before your time youngster lol (actually it was before mine as well, I wasn't born until after the end of the war). He said 'I shall return'!!!!
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Stephenmarra wrote:Right , got it , profound and all that, but remember ? gulp !Sassy wrote:
OK, ok, it was before your time youngster lol (actually it was before mine as well, I wasn't born until after the end of the war). He said 'I shall return'!!!!
I guess at some point we all think of everyone else as the same age as we are when we can't actually see them. Bit of a shock for you though lol
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Raggamuffin wrote:Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Cricket? An American? Good grief, the Americans don't "do" cricket!
What he said was "I shall return..."
The Australians do though.
The problem is...they "do" it too bloody well!
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Fred Moletrousers wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
The Australians do though.
The problem is...they "do" it too bloody well!
:aspffftas: Allegedly , in the recent past without a doubt ! but now ? Interesting times.
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Raggamuffin wrote:FluffyBunny wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
Oh, you didn't put me on ignore then.
The old "jealousy" chestnut eh? It's just toooooo funny. ::smthg::
I think the people on your site are jealous of anyone who is happy with themselves Ragga.You are a very insecure bunch,when all is said and done.
No you disgust me and you are going on ignore.
The people on my site are very happy - not that you'd know because you're not a member. ::D::
You must be a very unhappy person to befriend that shower of shit on Bitchfest.
Look Why don't you 2 solve this like Adults
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jaded fox wrote:Forgive the dumb American but, what does "scrounger" mean? Is it something like spaz which doesn't mean much here but is derogatory over there?
Dole Bludger... not sure if you got an equivalent in the USA but 'someone that lives of unemployment benefits with no intention of getting a job'
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Raggamuffin wrote:Let us not forget that Sassy sat there and said nothing when one of the admin said they hoped that GIG died of cancer. So much for her "empathy".
No, I said I hope anyone peddling FALSE cancer treatments to Cancer suffers, gets Cancer and dies from it.
Not My Fault GIG fits into the Category
You're so full of Shit Ragga t
I hope Fluffy Smashes You in the Jello Fight
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Are we now to start assuming that anybody who doesn't jump into a thread and state their disagreement with something agrees with it?
Because I can find a bunch of truly shitty things that were said to practically every member here that apparently every other member here supports, if that's the case ...
Because I can find a bunch of truly shitty things that were said to practically every member here that apparently every other member here supports, if that's the case ...
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