Why are women still afraid to walk home at night?

by Syl Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:57 am

First topic message reminder :

"Fury and heartbreak following the disappearance of Sarah Everard has prompted people to declare "she was walking home" in solidarity with the 33-year-old.

Thousands of people have expressed fury that women often feel unsafe walking the streets alone after human remains were found in woods in Kent after Sarah went missing.

Sick of having to moderate their behaviour for fear of encountering predatory strangers, some have questioned if a curfew for men wouldn't be a better way of keeping women safe.

The outpouring comes as police say a vigil to "reclaim these streets" organised for Saturday in Sarah's name cannot go ahead due to lockdown restrictions.

One woman wrote on Twitter: "We know it's #notallmen but unless you can tell us how to quickly assess which ones it is, it's a pointless sentiment. #shewaswalkinghome#TooManyWomen"

Another quoted the author Margaret Atwood who famously said: "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them."

Sarah Everard.

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by Syl Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:42 am

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:
Not quite.

What is it about then? Women walking alone at night and not that the darkness and being alone is worrying for a lot of people of all ages?

Are we just talking about women’s fears only?

Yes, that's what this thread is specifically about Eddie.

by eddie Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:48 am

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:
Not quite.

What is it about then? Women walking alone at night and not that the darkness and being alone is worrying for a lot of people of all ages?

Are we just talking about women’s fears only?
Yes, that's what this thread is specifically about Eddie.

Okay then that’s what I’ll stick to.

So how much of womens’ fear is based on mass hysteria?

For instance, I’ve had bad experiences but I am not fearful of walking alone at night.

by Syl Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:07 am

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, that's what this thread is specifically about Eddie.

Okay then that’s what I’ll stick to.

So how much of womens’ fear is based on mass hysteria?

For instance, I’ve had bad experiences but I am not fearful of walking alone at night.

I personally dont think it's mass hysteria, women just want the same freedom men have.

I think the majority of women have had bad experiences of varying degrees. How much it affects them varies.
My experiences haven't had much of an effect on me, but i remember them.

And I honestly believe you are in the minority if you as are never fearful of walking alone in an isolated area at night.

Anyway, I have said my bit......see you next Saturday, night night.x

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:50 am

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:

Okay then that’s what I’ll stick to.

So how much of womens’ fear is based on mass hysteria?

For instance, I’ve had bad experiences but I am not fearful of walking alone at night.
I personally dont think it's mass hysteria, women just want the same freedom men have.

I think the majority of women have had bad experiences of varying degrees. How much it affects them varies.
My experiences haven't had much of an effect on me, but i remember them.

And I honestly believe you are in the minority if you as are never fearful of walking alone in an isolated area at night.

Anyway, I have said my bit......see you next Saturday, night night.x

I think some of the fear is because of media coverage. It feels worse because we hear so much about it. We are bombarded with news of people doing truly evil things. I often have to take a breath and look at statistics or I think the world has gone mad, and I don't want to live like that.

But there is no doubt that women are targeted far more than men for sexual assault or harassment.

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:39 am

Syl wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Yes, but anyone would think she's the first female to suffer like this. This has been going on since men and women evolved. It's nothing new. And how about creating a rumpus about misogynistic religions? I've lost count of all the honour killings that go on and nobody bats an eye.

She isn't the first woman to be murdered and left unrecognisable like a pile of unwanted rubbish in a bag and she wont be the last.....maybe it's best if women just shut up and stay indoors then, no point trying to change anything.

You know that's not what I mean. Women have had to fight long and hard to find our place in a male dominated society, and the fight still goes on...with no light on the horizon in some countries.

My point is that all this demonstrating will change nothing unless the work is done all down the line. When was the last time you saw any massive public demonstrations when a daughter is slaughtered by her father because of 'honour'? Where are all the massive demonstrations over the Rotherham grooming gangs? Why are arranged marriages still allowed in this country? Why is female circumcision still going on? Why is domestic violence still going on? They are all forms of female abuse. It's not OK for one section of society to be dealt with in these matters and not another.

Demonstrating changes nothing. It fires up emotions then dies down and things carry on and the dogs bark as the caravan passes by.

Even if the law is changed and more severe penalties taken it won't stop certain males from indulging their sexual predations. It won't stop domestic abuse. It won't end paedophilia. And it won't stop women being abused in the name of religion.

So, what's the answer? More education for upcoming generations? Lessons in compassion and social behaviour from an early age? We have kids with mobile phones that give them access to porn. We have kids playing violent computer games from too young an age. We have violence on TV. We have songs that glamorise abuse and violence. We have social media that enables on line bullying. The list of brokenness is endless. And it's getting worse. Now, we have the Whip of Wokedom hovering over all of us. People being sacked. Innocent remarks twisted to suit agendas. On line mobs baying for blood. Death threats. It's fucking dangerous!

You can't throw the whole world into jaii, though. And nothing will change the darker side of human nature.

Perhaps there is no answer. That's the bleak truth nobody can face.

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:51 am

My other problem with such demonstrations is that mostly it's just herd behaviour rather then people being genuinely passionate about whatever cause they're supporting at that given time.

Demonstrations, riots, general strikes, sporting events, religious gatherings - all forms of human based herd behaviour.

And I believe Wokeness is another form of herd mentality. The Selfish Herd Theory at its worst.

by Didgee Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:06 pm

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, that's what this thread is specifically about Eddie.

Okay then that’s what I’ll stick to.

So how much of womens’ fear is based on mass hysteria?

For instance, I’ve had bad experiences but I am not fearful of walking alone at night.

I do not think the fear is based on mass hysteria from the media, though it can certainly add to the fear a number of women do have

Its good that you do not fear Eddie, but lets place this into perspective

I like many males are unlikely to feel uncomfortable with someone walking behind us, but a large number of women will because lets be honest. In society women are constantly objectified by males. Where a number of males fail to understand boundaries and harass women. Where they fail to understand comfort zones when on public transport for example and invade the spaces of women. Of course some males on their own around kicking out time of pubs and clubs will feel unsafe with drunken males on the street, but again the issue is males here.

The reality is there is a substantial number of violent males in this world who target both males and females, but its females who are more vulnerable compared to males. Its unlikely a male is going to feel uncomfortable with a female walking behind them, because females account for a very small number of crimes against males. Where as males account for a very large number of crimes against females. Many of which are sexual crimes, of which go unreported and the ones that are reported hardly see any justice. So society is doing very little to protect females and even worse bring to justice violent males

Considering a very large number of females are victims of sex crimes. Then its no wonder many of them will feel uncomfortable walking alone at night. Considering a third of all women and girls experience physical or sexual violence in their lifetime, vastly from males. Its no surprise that many females will have their adrenaline kick in the moment they have a male/males walking behind them. A male should if they care about the safety of females, cross the street to allay the fear a woman has when walking alone at night. If they are behind them

So its great you are able to control fear when outside at night Eddie, but many females are unable to when alone. This has nothing to do with the media, it has everything to do with the lived experience that many females have faced with harassment, violence and emotional and mental abuse they have suffered in their lives

To tackle this we need to stop failing children, because that is where the problem starts when we fail to ensure that kids have good role models in their lives

https://www.unwomen.org/en/what-we-do/ending-violence-against-women/facts-and-figures

@Hoaratio

Sorry but there is little to no evidence that violent games or TV leads to an increase in violence and this is more evident by the fact that this violence has not changed throughout history. Before the advent of TV and computer games violence was even worse towards women. What will lead to more boys growing up to be violent is their growing up in violent surroundings, child abuse etc. A lack of good role models. Many kids that turn to violence lack good male role models and this is problematic. This is not to say that single mons do a bad job, because many are good role models themselves and raise their children well

Hence if we want to help tackle male violence then the key is when kids are young and to ensure they have better role models.

I certainly agree that social media is an issue and is leading to more and more mental health issues in younger people. Epically young girls, leading to more cases of self harm. I think one way to tackle this is that to join any social media platform, nobody should be allowed to be anonymous online. Hence accountable for anything they say online. Its because of anonymity that allows people to incite hate and violence online. Social media platforms simple do not care about the well being of people, because they are in it for the money.

Social media is certainly becoming a massive problem and also allows for the organised way to react, as we see with far right and far left groups. When they organise their violence onto the streets.

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/jul/22/playing-video-games-doesnt-lead-to-violent-behaviour-study-shows

by Syl Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:31 pm

Just to address a few points, in the light of day.

I know Sarah Everards murder is not the first, but it has certainly touched the nation and beyond. Sometimes one event provokes a reaction that others previously have not....that doesn't lessen the ones before, they have all culminated in how people feel right now.

I don't think it's mass hysteria, or the media provoking women's emotions, I think sometimes people have just had enough, and they want to do something positive about it.

Women getting together to 'Reclaim the Streets' is a positive...actually a revolutionary goal for women to aim at.

Surely no one can argue with that, so all that needs to be discussed is HOW?

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:42 pm

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, that's what this thread is specifically about Eddie.

Okay then that’s what I’ll stick to.

So how much of womens’ fear is based on mass hysteria?

For instance, I’ve had bad experiences but I am not fearful of walking alone at night.

I don't think its Hysteria ,i think its a keen sense of the world we live in. men generally don't get abducted and or raped or Sexulised the same way women do

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:22 pm

Syl wrote:Just to address a few points, in the light of day.

I know Sarah Everards murder is not the first, but it has certainly touched the nation and beyond. Sometimes one event provokes a reaction that others previously have not....that doesn't lessen the ones before, they have all culminated in how people feel right now.

I don't think it's mass hysteria, or the media provoking women's emotions, I think sometimes people have just had enough, and they want to do something positive about it.

Women getting together to 'Reclaim the Streets' is a positive...actually a revolutionary goal for women to aim at.

Surely no one can argue with that, so all that needs to be discussed is HOW?

Well, if some good comes out of it, she's not died in vain. But I doubt much will change. We had that little girl's throat cut in the park not so long ago. Vigils have been held over a variety of pointless brutal deaths. But nothing changes. The world is a terrible place, it always has been and it always will be.... and we just have to live with it.

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:24 pm

Korben wrote:
eddie wrote:

Okay then that’s what I’ll stick to.

So how much of womens’ fear is based on mass hysteria?

For instance, I’ve had bad experiences but I am not fearful of walking alone at night.
I don't think its Hysteria ,i think its a keen sense of the world we live in. men generally don't get abducted and or raped or Sexulised the same way women do

They die in different just as violent and pointless ways though.

by Didgee Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:27 pm

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:35 pm

Syl wrote:Just to address a few points, in the light of day.

I know Sarah Everards murder is not the first, but it has certainly touched the nation and beyond. Sometimes one event provokes a reaction that others previously have not....that doesn't lessen the ones before, they have all culminated in how people feel right now.

I don't think it's mass hysteria, or the media provoking women's emotions, I think sometimes people have just had enough, and they want to do something positive about it.

Women getting together to 'Reclaim the Streets' is a positive...actually a revolutionary goal for women to aim at.

Surely no one can argue with that, so all that needs to be discussed is HOW?

How indeed. We now have dog walkers living in fear of their dogs getting snatched and the police telling them not to step out tooled up, or to try and stop or protect themselves from attackers. The police are useless IMO. Who is to protect us if they don't...or can't. Are women to step out armed with pepper spray (which is illegal), do we have to walk around with our car keys in our fists? Are we to be given free self defence classes? Which are pretty useless to anyone disabled or frail. Greater police presence on our streets might help.

There's a variety of ways you can protect yourself. One of the best is, I think, the Defender Ring - a self defence ring that you can discreetly wear every day as jewellery. The everyday ring is small, lightweight, and equipped with a sharp blade weapon beneath a removable cover that can cut human skin, draw blood, and collect the DNA of an attacker. The problem is that any kind of self defence tool is illegal in the UK. We aren't allowed to defend ourselves in that way. And I think that's half the problem.

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:54 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Korben wrote:
I don't think its Hysteria ,i think its a keen sense of the world we live in. men generally don't get abducted and or raped or Sexulised the same way women do

They die in different just as violent and pointless ways though.

Oh i duno Yes men get killed in violent ways sometimes ,but Rape is the ultimate violence for women especially when that rape results in a pregnancy i can think of anything a man could endure that's worse than that

by Syl Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:55 pm

If I had daughters, or even now, if I had to be walking alone at night, I would definitely recommend self-defence classes.
The confidence in knowing you could defend yourself against a strong attacker would help women be less vulnerable.

How about the police taking reported crimes more seriously? There were 80,000 crimes not investigated in Manchester over the last year alone, many of those were violence against women and even children.
This did culminate in the resignation of the police chief, but too late for the many who were violated against.

We only know how little the police do (often, not always) when cases come to light....even this one.
The man accused of Sarah's murder was caught on camera exposing himself to a woman 3 days before...yet he was still working for the police as obviously nothing had been done about it.

No wonder women don't feel bloody safe on the streets.

by Syl Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:00 pm

Korben wrote:
eddie wrote:

Okay then that’s what I’ll stick to.

So how much of womens’ fear is based on mass hysteria?

For instance, I’ve had bad experiences but I am not fearful of walking alone at night.
I don't think its Hysteria ,i think its a keen sense of the world we live in. men generally don't get abducted and or raped or Sexulised the same way women do

Thank you for 'getting it' Korben.

If someone starts a thread about men being beaten up, I will happily contribute my sons experience to it, I won't post in it just to say...'Yeah but women get beaten up too'. Rolling Eyes

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:02 pm

Syl wrote:If I had daughters, or even now, if I had to be walking alone at night, I would definitely recommend self-defence classes.
The confidence in knowing you could defend yourself against a strong attacker would help women be less vulnerable.

How about the police taking reported crimes more seriously? There were 80,000 crimes not investigated in Manchester over the last year alone, many of those were violence against women and even children.
This did culminate in the resignation of the police chief, but too late for the many who were violated against.

We only know how little the police do (often, not always) when cases come to light....even this one.
The man accused of Sarah's murder was caught on camera exposing himself to a woman 3 days before...yet he was still working for the police as obviously nothing had been done about it.

No wonder women don't feel bloody safe on the streets.

I know that police paperwork absolutely clogs the system. Whether that retards the hands on approach, might be debatable to some but having been married to a copper for twenty years, and heard him complain constantly about how it inhibited his work, I suspect that's true.

Men exposing themselves and being unacceptably sexually suggestive is one of the areas that's badly neglected. That ghastly up-skirting thing infuriated me, and the fact that it took so long to be taken seriously and made illegal was absurd. And let's face it, that needs to be seriously nipped in the bud from an early age. It's not restricted to dirty old men.

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:06 pm

Korben wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

They die in different just as violent and pointless ways though.
Oh i duno Yes men get killed in violent ways sometimes ,but Rape is the ultimate violence for women especially when that rape results in a pregnancy i can think of anything a man could endure that's worse than that

Yes, true. But let's not lose sight of the fact that men can suffer too. Single punch deaths. What a terrible way to lose someone. What we don't need as a nation is to start fearing men and demanding they be put on curfew. That's not fair on men.

by Syl Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:21 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Syl wrote:If I had daughters, or even now, if I had to be walking alone at night, I would definitely recommend self-defence classes.
The confidence in knowing you could defend yourself against a strong attacker would help women be less vulnerable.

How about the police taking reported crimes more seriously? There were 80,000 crimes not investigated in Manchester over the last year alone, many of those were violence against women and even children.
This did culminate in the resignation of the police chief, but too late for the many who were violated against.

We only know how little the police do (often, not always) when cases come to light....even this one.
The man accused of Sarah's murder was caught on camera exposing himself to a woman 3 days before...yet he was still working for the police as obviously nothing had been done about it.

No wonder women don't feel bloody safe on the streets.

I know that police paperwork absolutely clogs the system. Whether that retards the hands on approach, might be debatable to some but having been married to a copper for twenty years, and heard him complain constantly about how it inhibited his work, I suspect that's true.

Men exposing themselves and being unacceptably sexually suggestive is one of the areas that's badly neglected. That ghastly up-skirting thing infuriated me, and the fact that it took so long to be taken seriously and made illegal was absurd. And let's face it, that needs to be seriously nipped in the bud from an early age. It's not restricted to dirty old men.

All of this seriously needs to be nipped in the bud from an early age. That's why this issue affects men just as much as women.

They should be made aware from an early age to treat women with respect, to not slag them off using sexist language. When men are having a laugh together they should be mindful of not talking ABOUT women as if they were sexual objects, why influence some simple minded twit who is listening in?

Stop kids watching porn, get parental controls on internet devices. Teen computer games have rough sex and rape as the norm, and I don't for one moment think that watching this crap hours on end day in day out doesn't alter the mindset of some of the kids that play these games.

Small things like a man walking at night should be aware that the woman walking in front may be scared, no normal man wants women to be scared...so just crossing the road (my OH does this) so she doesn't feel like she is being followed helps.

Enabling women to feel safe in the streets wont happen overnight, but to say it will always be like this is an insult to both sexes.

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:41 pm

Syl wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

I know that police paperwork absolutely clogs the system. Whether that retards the hands on approach, might be debatable to some but having been married to a copper for twenty years, and heard him complain constantly about how it inhibited his work, I suspect that's true.

Men exposing themselves and being unacceptably sexually suggestive is one of the areas that's badly neglected. That ghastly up-skirting thing infuriated me, and the fact that it took so long to be taken seriously and made illegal was absurd. And let's face it, that needs to be seriously nipped in the bud from an early age. It's not restricted to dirty old men.

All of this seriously needs to be nipped in the bud from an early age. That's why this issue affects men just as much as women.

They should be made aware from an early age to treat women with respect, to not slag them off using sexist language. When men are having a laugh together they should be mindful of not talking ABOUT women as if they were sexual objects, why influence some simple minded twit who is listening in?

Stop kids watching porn, get parental controls on internet devices. Teen computer games have rough sex and rape as the norm, and I don't for one moment think that watching this crap hours on end day in day out doesn't alter the mindset of some of the kids that play these games.

Small things like a man walking at night should be aware that the woman walking in front may be scared, no normal man wants women to be scared...so just crossing the road (my OH does this) so she doesn't feel like she is being followed helps.

Enabling women to feel safe in the streets wont happen overnight, but to say it will always be like this is an insult to both sexes.

How is it an insult to both sexes to address what will never change with certain people? Do you think one day there won't be any more murders, rapes, crimes of passion, wife beating, paedophilia, drug abuse, drunkeness, porn, cruelty to animals etc? If you do, dream on. We, in the UK, might be able to dole out stiffer sentences via the law, but it sure as hell won't stop it worldwide. It won't stop it here either. Nothing ever has. Not even the death penalty.

I'm just as sick as anyone of women being blamed for how men behave. She shouldn't have worn that revealing dress. She shouldn't have walked alone at night. She shouldn't have accepted that drink/meal/compliment. Keeping women safe has never happened. Ever.

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:51 pm

Why are women still afraid to walk home at night? - Page 2 Fb_im169

It's even trending over here now.

by Didgee Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:28 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Syl wrote:

All of this seriously needs to be nipped in the bud from an early age. That's why this issue affects men just as much as women.

They should be made aware from an early age to treat women with respect, to not slag them off using sexist language. When men are having a laugh together they should be mindful of not talking ABOUT women as if they were sexual objects, why influence some simple minded twit who is listening in?

Stop kids watching porn, get parental controls on internet devices. Teen computer games have rough sex and rape as the norm, and I don't for one moment think that watching this crap hours on end day in day out doesn't alter the mindset of some of the kids that play these games.

Small things like a man walking at night should be aware that the woman walking in front may be scared, no normal man wants women to be scared...so just crossing the road (my OH does this) so she doesn't feel like she is being followed helps.

Enabling women to feel safe in the streets wont happen overnight, but to say it will always be like this is an insult to both sexes.

How is it an insult to both sexes to address what will never change with certain people? Do you think one day there won't be any more murders, rapes, crimes of passion, wife beating, paedophilia, drug abuse, drunkeness, porn, cruelty to animals etc? If you do, dream on. We, in the UK, might be able to dole out stiffer sentences via the law, but it sure as hell won't stop it worldwide. It won't stop it here either. Nothing ever has. Not even the death penalty.

I'm just as sick as anyone of women being blamed for how men behave. She shouldn't have worn that revealing dress. She shouldn't have walked alone at night. She shouldn't have accepted that drink/meal/compliment. Keeping women safe has never happened. Ever.

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:28 pm

Not sure what she means by "England strips women of there right to self defence " ??

by Syl Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:37 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Syl wrote:

All of this seriously needs to be nipped in the bud from an early age. That's why this issue affects men just as much as women.

They should be made aware from an early age to treat women with respect, to not slag them off using sexist language. When men are having a laugh together they should be mindful of not talking ABOUT women as if they were sexual objects, why influence some simple minded twit who is listening in?

Stop kids watching porn, get parental controls on internet devices. Teen computer games have rough sex and rape as the norm, and I don't for one moment think that watching this crap hours on end day in day out doesn't alter the mindset of some of the kids that play these games.

Small things like a man walking at night should be aware that the woman walking in front may be scared, no normal man wants women to be scared...so just crossing the road (my OH does this) so she doesn't feel like she is being followed helps.

Enabling women to feel safe in the streets wont happen overnight, but to say it will always be like this is an insult to both sexes.

How is it an insult to both sexes to address what will never change with certain people? Do you think one day there won't be any more murders, rapes, crimes of passion, wife beating, paedophilia, drug abuse, drunkeness, porn, cruelty to animals etc? If you do, dream on. We, in the UK, might be able to dole out stiffer sentences via the law, but it sure as hell won't stop it worldwide. It won't stop it here either. Nothing ever has. Not even the death penalty.

I'm just as sick as anyone of women being blamed for how men behave. She shouldn't have worn that revealing dress. She shouldn't

have walked alone at night. She shouldn't have accepted that drink/meal/compliment. Keeping women safe has never happened. Ever.

It's an insult to think people can't address what is happening and presume because it's always happened it can't be changed.
Like I said, if everyone had that attitude women still wouldn't have the vote and men would be legally entitled to rape their wives.

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:28 pm

Korben wrote:Not sure what she means by "England strips women of there right to self defence " ??

She means women don't have the means to shoot the bastards.

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:58 pm

Maddog wrote:
Korben wrote:Not sure what she means by "England strips women of there right to self defence " ??

She means women don't have the means to shoot the bastards.

Yea this is not America nether men nor women have that right so its a stupid point
England has not striped women of the right to self defence any more than it has a man

Never ceases to amaze me that Americans think the solution to any problem is shooting people.Trust me the 2A is the last thing the people in this country want

by HoratioTarr Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:09 pm

Syl wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

How is it an insult to both sexes to address what will never change with certain people? Do you think one day there won't be any more murders, rapes, crimes of passion, wife beating, paedophilia, drug abuse, drunkeness, porn, cruelty to animals etc? If you do, dream on. We, in the UK, might be able to dole out stiffer sentences via the law, but it sure as hell won't stop it worldwide. It won't stop it here either. Nothing ever has. Not even the death penalty.

I'm just as sick as anyone of women being blamed for how men behave. She shouldn't have worn that revealing dress. She shouldn't

have walked alone at night. She shouldn't have accepted that drink/meal/compliment. Keeping women safe has never happened. Ever.

It's an insult to think people can't address what is happening and presume because it's always happened it can't be changed.
Like I said, if everyone had that attitude women still wouldn't have the vote and men would be legally entitled to rape their wives.

I didn't say issues could not be addressed. I said that certain people's behaviour will not change.

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:14 pm

Korben wrote:
Maddog wrote:

She means women don't have the means to shoot the bastards.
Yea this is not America nether men nor women have that right so its a stupid point
England has not striped women of the right to self defence any more than it has a man

Never ceases to amaze me that Americans think the solution to any problem is shooting people.Trust me the 2A is the last thing the people in this country want

Her comment was more for Americans as the story is tending over here. Her comments were for the American women who face the same fears as British women walking alone. No one expects the British government to allow women the right to arm themselves.

And no one said the solution for ANY problem is to shoot someone. It is a justifiable solution for a piece of shit man who wants to rape then beat a woman to death.

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:27 pm

Maddog wrote:
Korben wrote:
Yea this is not America nether men nor women have that right so its a stupid point
England has not striped women of the right to self defence any more than it has a man

Never ceases to amaze me that Americans think the solution to any problem is shooting people.Trust me the 2A is the last thing the people in this country want

Her comment was more for Americans as the story is tending over here. Her comments were for the American women who face the same fears as British women walking alone. No one expects the British government to allow women the right to arm themselves.

And no one said the solution for ANY problem is to shoot someone. It is a justifiable solution for a piece of shit man who wants to rape then beat a woman to death.

Well she linked England and the 2A as if to say women are in more danger because we don't have guns ...that's gas lighting imo

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:39 pm

Maddog wrote:
Korben wrote:
Yea this is not America nether men nor women have that right so its a stupid point
England has not striped women of the right to self defence any more than it has a man

Never ceases to amaze me that Americans think the solution to any problem is shooting people.Trust me the 2A is the last thing the people in this country want

Her comment was more for Americans as the story is tending over here. Her comments were for the American women who face the same fears as British women walking alone. No one expects the British government to allow women the right to arm themselves.

And no one said the solution for ANY problem is to shoot someone. It is a justifiable solution for a piece of shit man who wants to rape then beat a woman to death.

is it a justifiable solution...i can think of better solutions than shooting them.(all but i might want to ) .
basically you a giving a licence for women to shoot men and taking the law in to there own hands
How many times has a rape accustion been used as revenge i wonder
they are better ways to punish these monsters that shooting them .personally chemical castration would be my choice, remove the ability or desire that is far worse than killing them because it lasts longer and punishes there self esteem and "manhood"

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:49 pm

Korben wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Her comment was more for Americans as the story is tending over here. Her comments were for the American women who face the same fears as British women walking alone. No one expects the British government to allow women the right to arm themselves.

And no one said the solution for ANY problem is to shoot someone. It is a justifiable solution for a piece of shit man who wants to rape then beat a woman to death.
is it a justifiable solution...i can think of better solutions than shooting them.(all but i might want to ) .
basically you a giving a licence for women to shoot men and taking the law in to there own hands
How many times has a rape accustion been used as revenge i wonder
they are better ways to punish these monsters that shooting them .personally chemical castration would be my choice, remove the ability or desire that is far worse than killing them because it lasts longer and punishes there self esteem and "manhood"

You're saying to punish them after the fact.

I'm saying don't let them do it in the first place.

And no, I'm not giving a license to women to shoot men. Only those that attack them.

by Original Quill Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:56 pm

Maddog wrote:I'm saying don't let them do it in the first place.

Then there's no difference between you and the criminals.

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:57 pm

Maddog wrote:
Korben wrote:
is it a justifiable solution...i can think of better solutions than shooting them.(all but i might want to ) .
basically you a giving a licence for women to shoot men and taking the law in to there own hands
How many times has a rape accustion been used as revenge i wonder
they are better ways to punish these monsters that shooting them .personally chemical castration would be my choice, remove the ability or desire that is far worse than killing them because it lasts longer and punishes there self esteem and "manhood"

You're saying to punish them after the fact.

I'm saying don't let them do it in the first place.

And no, I'm not giving a license to women to shoot men. Only those that attack them.

All crime is punished After the fact.

because a defence would be "i thought he was going to rape and murder me, so i shot him" the law cannot work like that

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:28 pm

Korben wrote:
Maddog wrote:

You're saying to punish them after the fact.

I'm saying don't let them do it in the first place.

And no, I'm not giving a license to women to shoot men. Only those that attack them.
All crime is punished After the fact.

because a defence would be "i thought he was going to rape and murder me, so i shot him" the law cannot work like that

Ho do you think self defense works?

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:29 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:I'm saying don't let them do it in the first place.

Then there's no difference between you and the criminals.

Coming from a rape apologist I feel honored.

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:00 pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3481507/Woman-leaves-attacker-bloody-wounded-shot-neck-tried-rob-knife-point.html

This is how self defense works. And unlike Sarah Everard
, this woman is alive.

I'll call that a success.

by Ben Reilly Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:19 pm

I knew Maddog was going to say that women should carry guns in order to feel safe.

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:25 pm

Maddog wrote:
Korben wrote:
All crime is punished After the fact.

because a defence would be "i thought he was going to rape and murder me, so i shot him" the law cannot work like that

Ho do you think self defense works?

It can yes, in fact many women i know could beat the utter crap out of me, i know my wife could and i am not kidding and many women take self defence classes it should be taught in schools for all girls IMO

many men are conditioned to see women as the "weaker sex" this is part of the problem , yet historically speaking they where some of the
fiercest warriors

https://www.historyhit.com/10-great-female-warriors-of-the-ancient-world/

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:28 pm

Maddog wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3481507/Woman-leaves-attacker-bloody-wounded-shot-neck-tried-rob-knife-point.html

This is how self defense works. And unlike Sarah Everard
, this woman is alive.

I'll call that a success.

yea In America and thats one woman how many women get murdered and raped in America
who do carry guns you Americans as i said think a gun is the answer to everything and no amount of reasoning will dissuade you of that

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:29 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I knew Maddog was going to say that women should carry guns in order to feel safe.

Yea prevention is better than a cure

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:33 pm

Many Americans think a gun gives them power but its a false security ,further more we dont want a country where guns are easily available and a country awash with them because that's Americas problem and why gun crime is so high there

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:35 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Then there's no difference between you and the criminals.

Coming from a rape apologist I feel honored.

that was totally unnecessary MD you may not like Quill but that comment is beneath you

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:35 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I knew Maddog was going to say that women should carry guns in order to feel safe.

Well shooting the fuckers makes them stop.

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:36 pm

Korben wrote:
Maddog wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3481507/Woman-leaves-attacker-bloody-wounded-shot-neck-tried-rob-knife-point.html

This is how self defense works. And unlike Sarah Everard
, this woman is alive.

I'll call that a success.
yea In America and thats one woman how many women get murdered and raped in America
who do carry guns you Americans as i said think a gun is the answer to everything and no amount of reasoning will dissuade you of that

No one thinks a gun is answer to everything. Stop with the strawman.

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:37 pm

Korben wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Coming from a rape apologist I feel honored.
that was totally unnecessary MD you may not like Quill but that comment is beneath you

He's earned it.

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:39 pm

Korben wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Ho do you think self defense works?
It can yes, in fact many women i know could beat the utter crap out of me, i know my wife could and i am not kidding and many women take self defence classes it should be taught in schools for all girls IMO

many men are conditioned to see women as the "weaker sex" this is part of the problem , yet historically speaking they where some of the
fiercest warriors

https://www.historyhit.com/10-great-female-warriors-of-the-ancient-world/

I guess Sarah should have been a better warrior.

by Maddog Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:42 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I knew Maddog was going to say that women should carry guns in order to feel safe.

And I don't think women should carry guns. I think they should have that option.

My daughters don't (unless they haven't told dad), their mother does.

Both situations are fine because they are making the choice. Not some fucking politician protected by guns.

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:42 pm

Maddog wrote:
Korben wrote:
yea In America and thats one woman how many women get murdered and raped in America
who do carry guns you Americans as i said think a gun is the answer to everything and no amount of reasoning will dissuade you of that

No one thinks a gun is answer to everything. Stop with the strawman.

Its not a straw-man in America its a fact of life the amount of story's about neighbours shooting another neighbour over the stupidest of thing ,just last week a guy shot his neighbour over a trump sign https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/anti-donald-trump-campaigner-clayton-carter-shoot-republican-dead-head-george-jennings-a7895966.html

by Guest Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:44 pm

Maddog wrote:
Korben wrote:
It can yes, in fact many women i know could beat the utter crap out of me, i know my wife could and i am not kidding and many women take self defence classes it should be taught in schools for all girls IMO

many men are conditioned to see women as the "weaker sex" this is part of the problem , yet historically speaking they where some of the
fiercest warriors

https://www.historyhit.com/10-great-female-warriors-of-the-ancient-world/

I guess Sarah should have been a better warrior.

what a nasty thing to say Just because your culture worships the gun doesn't mean that's the solution

by Maddog Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:10 am

Korben wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I guess Sarah should have been a better warrior.
what a nasty thing to say Just because your culture worships the gun doesn't mean that's the solution

I don't worship anything. It's terrible that she is dead. It's terrible she didn't stand a chance against a man.

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