Ann Widdecombe

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Not just ugly, but impossibly stupid, homophobic, racist, has become a right wing extremist and appears as mad as a bag of frogs.
I wonder whether she spread for Nigel?
It's clear to see why he recruited her.
I cannot understand why she is so anti gay, when no bloke in his right mind would want to impale her.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't approve of gay people marrying someone of the opposite sex and messing their life up. If you can't admit being gay, at least don't lie to someone who trusts you.

That’s not entirely fair. Lots of gay people either didn’t wholly accept it or else thought it might have just been a phase or a little bit of “what they fancy” every so often.
Society made them think it was wrong so they buried it.

So they ruin someone else's life instead. I don't see what's fair about that.

gelico wrote:

phildidge wrote:

Why are you even trying to think you can speak for my brother in law?

He always was gay and tried to hide this because society did not except him

Please do not make claims, that you do not know the first thing about gelico

Thank you

i am not speaking for your brother in law, nor even attempting to.  just using his situation as an example

society did not accept him?  he obviously didn't try to find out he prefered to get married and have kids

so my point was anyone in that same position might well choose to take some kind of cure rather than destroy their marriage and devastate their family life

should they be able to have a choice

obviously on the assumption that there was in fact a fully functional and proven to work cure which we know there actually isn't

I cannot believe we are still going round in circles over this

The point is none would want to if society rightlly accepted them. Why would then you want to look at a chance to cure them being gay, when the actuall cure is acceptance?

So the point is this should never even happen that a homosexual feels otracised and that is what needs to be tackled. Cnnot believe you are even going down this rabbit hole

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't approve of gay people marrying someone of the opposite sex and messing their life up. If you can't admit being gay, at least don't lie to someone who trusts you.

That’s not entirely fair. Lots of gay people either didn’t wholly accept it or else thought it might have just been a phase or a little bit of “what they fancy” every so often.
Society made them think it was wrong so they buried it.

So they ruin someone else's life instead. I don't see what's fair about that.

Sometimes people marry and have kids and it doesn’t work out.
That goes for all people.

I really doubt gay people intentionally set out to hurt anyone and I would hazard a guess that they actually do love the person they marry and sex can be okay with them.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So they ruin someone else's life instead. I don't see what's fair about that.

Sometimes people marry and have kids and it doesn’t work out.
That goes for all people.

I really doubt gay people intentionally set out to hurt anyone and I would hazard a guess that they actually do love the person they marry and sex can be okay with them.  

Those people don't start marriage with a lie though do they? Gay men know they're gay, and if they marry a woman to disguise that or to have a kid, they're out of order. They're messing with someone else's life.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Sometimes people marry and have kids and it doesn’t work out.
That goes for all people.

I really doubt gay people intentionally set out to hurt anyone and I would hazard a guess that they actually do love the person they marry and sex can be okay with them.  

Those people don't start marriage with a lie though do they? Gay men know they're  gay, and if they marry a woman to disguise that or to have a kid, they're out of order. They're messing with someone else's life.

Not having a clue have you rags. None go into this to upset the people they marry.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So they ruin someone else's life instead. I don't see what's fair about that.

Sometimes people marry and have kids and it doesn’t work out.
That goes for all people.
 

yes and for a variety of reasons but not normally because their partner turns out to be a closet gay

i dont see any excuse for that nowadays tbh

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So they ruin someone else's life instead. I don't see what's fair about that.

Sometimes people marry and have kids and it doesn’t work out.
That goes for all people.

I really doubt gay people intentionally set out to hurt anyone and I would hazard a guess that they actually do love the person they marry and sex can be okay with them.  

Those people don't start marriage with a lie though do they? Gay men know they're  gay, and if they marry a woman to disguise that or to have a kid, they're out of order. They're messing with someone else's life.

I’ve just explained in my post prior to this last one that many can be consciously unaware of being gay.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Those people don't start marriage with a lie though do they? Gay men know they're  gay, and if they marry a woman to disguise that or to have a kid, they're out of order. They're messing with someone else's life.

I’ve just explained in my post prior to this last one that many can be consciously unaware of being gay.

I don't agree with that. I think men like that are selfish and inconsiderate.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Those people don't start marriage with a lie though do they? Gay men know they're  gay, and if they marry a woman to disguise that or to have a kid, they're out of order. They're messing with someone else's life.

I’ve just explained in my post prior to this last one that many can be consciously unaware of being gay.

I don't agree with that. I think men like that are selfish and inconsiderate.

Don’t you think they try to push down their feelings? Like I said, perhaps these men (and women) aren’t aware that they’re gay.
Doesn’t that sound even plausible to you?

gelico wrote:

eddie wrote:

Sometimes people marry and have kids and it doesn’t work out.
That goes for all people.
 

yes and for a variety of reasons but not normally because their partner turns out to be a closet gay

i dont see any excuse for that nowadays tbh

Its still going to happen in many places that are very much practicing religious like the US south for example. You need to stop placing a view based on the UK alobe Gelico, because many gays are not accepted into society in the south of the US for example

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't agree with that. I think men like that are selfish and inconsiderate.

Don’t you think they try to push down their feelings? Like I said, perhaps these men (and women) aren’t aware that they’re gay.
Doesn’t that sound even plausible to you?

If they push down their feelings, they're very well aware of what those feelings are. Of course they're aware that they're gay, they're just being selfish. Why can't they just stay single if they can't bear to be gay? They don't have to ruin someone else's life just to satisfy their own cowardice.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Don’t you think they try to push down their feelings? Like I said, perhaps these men (and women) aren’t aware that they’re gay.
Doesn’t that sound even plausible to you?

If they push down their feelings, they're very well aware of what those feelings are. Of course they're aware that they're gay, they're just being selfish. Why can't they just stay single if they can't bear to be gay? They don't have to ruin someone else's life just to satisfy their own cowardice.

Actually its Christians like you and other religious people that end up creating the problem in the first place. That these people feel they need to fit within their families and community. What is really selfish is the homophobic religious bigots that create this in the first place

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So they ruin someone else's life instead. I don't see what's fair about that.

I really doubt gay people intentionally set out to hurt anyone and I would hazard a guess that they actually do love the person they marry and sex can be okay with them.  

well, many manage to have children and if that's the case then doesnt it make the argument for a potential ''cure'' stronger

if there were some kind of magic pill then in that situation, would it not be better to take it?

gelico wrote:

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So they ruin someone else's life instead. I don't see what's fair about that.

I really doubt gay people intentionally set out to hurt anyone and I would hazard a guess that they actually do love the person they marry and sex can be okay with them.  

well, many manage to have children and if that's the case then doesnt it make the argument for a potential ''cure'' stronger

if there were some kind of magic pill then in that situation, would it not be better to take it?

I don’t know Gels. Everyone is different and I’m not gay so I can’t answer for them.
Perhaps many would. I don’t know.

gelico wrote:

eddie wrote:


I really doubt gay people intentionally set out to hurt anyone and I would hazard a guess that they actually do love the person they marry and sex can be okay with them.  

well, many manage to have children and if that's the case then doesnt it make the argument for a potential ''cure'' stronger

if there were some kind of magic pill then in that situation, would it not be better to take it?

No, because it should never have reached that reality. Again the only reason this happens, is because people are not accepted. You are failing to look at what the root cause is everytime Gelico. So why not look to solve the main cause to this problem in the first place which never requires a pill or any medication?

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Don’t you think they try to push down their feelings? Like I said, perhaps these men (and women) aren’t aware that they’re gay.
Doesn’t that sound even plausible to you?

If they push down their feelings, they're very well aware of what those feelings are. Of course they're aware that they're gay, they're just being selfish. Why can't they just stay single if they can't bear to be gay? They don't have to ruin someone else's life just to satisfy their own cowardice.

Actually its Christians like you and other religious people that end up creating the problem in the first place. That these people feel they need to fit within their families and community. What is really selfish is the homophobic religious bigots that create this in the first place

Her point isn’t about religious beliefs it’s about her perception that these people are selfishly “using” people.
Two different things.

eddie wrote:

phildidge wrote:

Actually its Christians like you and other religious people that end up creating the problem in the first place. That these people feel they need to fit within their families and community. What is really selfish is the homophobic religious bigots that create this in the first place

Her point isn’t about religious beliefs it’s about her perception that these people are selfishly “using” people.  
Two different things.

Indeed. There appears to be a perception that gay people are always nice and can do no wrong. Of course they can, they can be as callous and selfish as anyone else, and a gay man marrying a womanher and lying to her is dishonest and deceitful IMO.

eddie wrote:

phildidge wrote:

Actually its Christians like you and other religious people that end up creating the problem in the first place. That these people feel they need to fit within their families and community. What is really selfish is the homophobic religious bigots that create this in the first place

Her point isn’t about religious beliefs it’s about her perception that these people are selfishly “using” people.  
Two different things.

Still failing to see the point are you not Eddie.

What is the cause for this to happen?

Then not being accepted by their families, society, or by their faith?

They want to blend in, so what is the cause why this happens?

Just about everytime religious people

The cure is acceptance

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Her point isn’t about religious beliefs it’s about her perception that these people are selfishly “using” people.  
Two different things.

Indeed. There appears to be a perception that gay people are always nice and can do no wrong. Of course they can, they can be as callous and selfish as anyone else, and a gay man marrying a womanher and lying to her is dishonest and deceitful IMO.

@Eddie, you see this is what annoys me. Claiming now gay people are bad, bnecause they want to blend in because of how society, family treats them and not accepting them. Its not the people that shun homosexuals but the homosexuals that are to blame for her.
This really shows rags does not have a clue on this

phildidge wrote:

eddie wrote:

phildidge wrote:

Actually its Christians like you and other religious people that end up creating the problem in the first place. That these people feel they need to fit within their families and community. What is really selfish is the homophobic religious bigots that create this in the first place

Her point isn’t about religious beliefs it’s about her perception that these people are selfishly “using” people.  
Two different things.

Still failing to see the point are you not Eddie.

What is the cause for this to happen?

Then not being accepted by their families, society, or by their faith?

They want to blend in, so what is the cause why this happens?

Just about everytime religious people

The cure is acceptance

Didge I don’t disagree with you. I’m merely explaining that her point wasn’t about religion.

phildidge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Her point isn’t about religious beliefs it’s about her perception that these people are selfishly “using” people.  
Two different things.

Indeed. There appears to be a perception that gay people are always nice and can do no wrong. Of course they can, they can be as callous and selfish as anyone else, and a gay man marrying a womanher and lying to her is dishonest and deceitful IMO.

@Eddie, you see this is what annoys me. Claiming now gay people are bad, bnecause they want to blend in because of how society, family treats them and not accepting them. Its not the people that shun homosexuals but the homosexuals that are  to blame for her.
This really shows rags does not have a clue on this

It’s over-generalising to a huge degree. I find that lots of people on forums do that.

eddie wrote:

phildidge wrote:

Still failing to see the point are you not Eddie.

What is the cause for this to happen?

Then not being accepted by their families, society, or by their faith?

They want to blend in, so what is the cause why this happens?

Just about everytime religious people

The cure is acceptance

Didge I don’t disagree with you. I’m merely explaining that her point wasn’t about religion.

I understand that eddie, but it is religious beliefs that is the driving cause to this problem starting in the first place. This actually means something to me and to read comments from someone that does not have the first clue, calling them callus and selfish, is beyond belief. Its the society and families they are within that have created this and she claims they are callus? maybe she needs to use some empathic intelligence to maybe start to understand what it maybe like to go through

Well it’s a topic I’ve always held close to my heart and one I seem able to completely empathise with. I also understand that each individual’s story is different with regards to “coming out”. I get it totally but not everyone is the same.

I just don't see what's honourable about lying to someone because you want to "fit in" Lots of people don't get married or have partners, so for a gay man to marry a woman under false pretences is dishonest and deceitful, and also selfish because he's not thinking of her.

eddie wrote:Well it’s a topic I’ve always held close to my heart and one I seem able to completely empathise with. I also understand that each individual’s story is different with regards to “coming out”. I get it totally but not everyone is the same.

The worst part is there is no medical pill cure and hence it really is a strawman argument. When we know what the actual cure is and its acceptance. Its why people in Europe has now many gay couples married and this problems is now less and less today. Of where homosexuals have tried to blend in marrying the opposite sex.  Yet its still a problem in where its a very religious society, like the southern US for example

Syl wrote:I  think this statement you made deserved to be challenged and debunked Jules,

"But back in the 80's it was mostly gay men who died of it."

I was referring to tinsel town, not globally, as I explained earlier.
There was a strong connection between HIV & homosexuality in people's perceptions, and Liberace knew this only too well.
Why do you think he hid away in the solitude of his home, after his diagnosis, not bothering to seek treatment, when his huge wealth could have easily been used for treatment?
Exactly!

Syl wrote:
"The 1970s – The first AIDS epidemic
It was in Kinshasa in the 1970s that the first epidemic of HIV/AIDS is believed to have occurred. The emerging epidemic in the Congolese capital was signalled by a surge in opportunistic infections, such as cryptococcal meningitis, Kaposi’s sarcoma, tuberculosis and specific forms of pneumonia.
It is speculated that HIV was brought to the city by an infected individual who travelled from Cameroon by river down into the Congo. On arrival in Kinshasa, the virus entered a wide urban sexual network and spread quickly. The world’s first heterosexually-spread HIV epidemic had begun."

https://www.blackhistorymonth.org.uk/article/section/real-stories/the-history-of-aids-in-africa/

An indepth explanation of HIV/AIDS is well beyond the remit of this thread. Another thread, another day perhaps.
The explanations put forward are by no means universally accepted. They are always full of words signalling uncertainty  like assumed/thought   .... or those highlighted like believed/ speculated/ . BIG humungous red flags, enough said.

phildidge wrote:

gelico wrote:


well, many manage to have children and if that's the case then doesnt it make the argument for a potential ''cure'' stronger

if there were some kind of magic pill then in that situation, would it not be better to take it?

No, because it should never have reached that reality.

maybe not, but what about when it actually does as in many cases

i'm just saying that if there actually were some kind of magical 'cure' pill that would somehow interfere with the receptors in the brain which cancels out any kind of sexual attraction for the same sex

in the cases where a man or woman has already married and had kids to come to the realisation that they have gay feelings.  

should they not have a choice to cancel those feelings and concentrate on their current marriage?

Raggamuffin wrote:I just don't see what's honourable about lying to someone because you want to "fit in" Lots of people don't get married or have partners, so for a gay man to marry a woman under false pretences is dishonest and deceitful, and also selfish because he's not thinking of her.

You’re over-generalising. You can’t say everyone is the same!

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I just don't see what's honourable about lying to someone because you want to "fit in" Lots of people don't get married or have partners, so for a gay man to marry a woman under false pretences is dishonest and deceitful, and also selfish because he's not thinking of her.

You’re over-generalising. You can’t say everyone is the same!

IMO, there's no other way of looking at it. Think of the poor wife when she discovers her husband is gay. She must feel the whole marriage was a lie - would you be happy with that?

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I just don't see what's honourable about lying to someone because you want to "fit in" Lots of people don't get married or have partners, so for a gay man to marry a woman under false pretences is dishonest and deceitful, and also selfish because he's not thinking of her.

You’re over-generalising. You can’t say everyone is the same!

IMO, there's no other way of looking at it. Think of the poor wife when she discovers her husband is gay. She must feel the whole marriage was a lie - would you be happy with that?

Of course bit but you’re assuming that most people are aware of their deepest secrets or desires. Most people aren’t. Don’t you think?

gelico wrote:

phildidge wrote:

No, because it should never have reached that reality.

maybe not, but what about when it actually does as in many cases

i'm just saying that if there actually were some kind of magical 'cure' pill that would somehow interfere with the receptors in the brain which cancels out any kind of sexual attraction for the same sex

in the cases where a man or woman has already married and had kids to come to the realisation that they have gay feelings.  

should they not have a choice to cancel those feelings and concentrate on their current marriage?

But gelico, is a hypothetical argument, that you could never answer and nor could I. Many of these people already had gay feelings and the reality is, if they had been accepted growing up as they are. They would have come out gay and never married the opposite sex in the first place. Which is the point. Its why there would never even bee a need to research this when we already know what is the cure to this problem. I mean you are right that we dont really see this happen much any more in the Uk for example. As now gays are very much accepted in the majority of places. Though not everywhere.

I still dont get your point though on where they are already married, if they are attracted more so to men? Or women as the case maybe. I really dont see the point in trying to surpress who they are attracted to and we do not do that with gender dysphoria. In fact we try to make them happy in who they feel they should be. In all the cases of gays wanting to convert is based around religious reasons, with family, community or being religious themselves. I have never read an account of someone wanting to be converted, simple to wanting to be actually attracted to the partern they are with. If you can find one, then lets read it please? As there is no point making a hypoethsis, based on something that has never even been the case in the first place?

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

IMO, there's no other way of looking at it. Think of the poor wife when she discovers her husband is gay. She must feel the whole marriage was a lie - would you be happy with that?

Of course bit but you’re assuming that most people are aware of their deepest secrets or desires. Most people aren’t. Don’t you think?

Are you saying that some gay men actually think they're heterosexual? How can they if they don't find women sexually attractive?

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

IMO, there's no other way of looking at it. Think of the poor wife when she discovers her husband is gay. She must feel the whole marriage was a lie - would you be happy with that?

Of course bit but you’re assuming that most people are aware of their deepest secrets or desires. Most people aren’t. Don’t you think?

Are you saying that some gay men actually think they're heterosexual? How can they if they don't find women sexually attractive?

Some people are really good at lying to themselves, and believing their own lies.

Some people are bisexual, I should think it' quite common in that case to marry, have kids, then find themselves having feelings for a man later on.....or vice versa for a woman.

Not everyones sexuality is set in stone.

gelico wrote:ah right, so no talk of any forced conversions

no talk of wiping anyone out

no incitement to violence of any kind

just an opinion (which she was asked for by the way).  a poor, worn out, tired, out of date opinion it may well be, but it's still just an opinion

i can't see that you jumping up and down and screeching about Hitler every 5 minutes is likely to change anyone's views either

just my opinion

There are several posts made by either you or Vintage, along the lines of.  "it's her opinion, she's entitled to it, leave her alone"


Thing is .... she is a politician tho, …. 
She's not just your average jo/joanna down the road.
Politicians have power to make big decisions, which impact heavily on our lives.
People have every right to examine their views critically.

Plus, her political rivals are FULLY entitled to make capital out of any of her opinions that they consider poor.
They have a right to try to lure voters away from her, that is exactly what politics is all about. 

It was her voluntary choice to enter the vicious bearpit that is the world of politics.
She's no novice at this game, I'm quite sure she knows the score.

Jules wrote:

gelico wrote:ah right, so no talk of any forced conversions

no talk of wiping anyone out

no incitement to violence of any kind

just an opinion (which she was asked for by the way).  a poor, worn out, tired, out of date opinion it may well be, but it's still just an opinion

i can't see that you jumping up and down and screeching about Hitler every 5 minutes is likely to change anyone's views either

just my opinion

There are several posts made by either you or Vintage, along the lines of.  "it's her opinion, she's entitled to it, leave her alone"


Thing is .... she is a politician tho, …. 
She's not just your average jo/joanna down the road.
Politicians have power to make big decisions, which impact heavily on our lives.
People have every right to examine their views critically.

they do, jules, i get your point

which is why i talked about the gay rights laws

they are firmly in place now and no politician would go back on that. for a start it would be just wrong and would cause no end of protest and would be basic political suicide so there would be no actual damage or even threat of damage to these laws just on the back of some out of date old bird chirping off about her opinion

you see what i mean?

Syl wrote:Some people are bisexual, I should think it' quite common in that case to marry, have kids, then find themselves having feelings for a man later on.....or vice versa for a woman.

Not everyones sexuality is set in stone.

That’s what I meant. You can’t over-generalise and think all gay people are simply out to dupe people. That’s not fair.

eddie wrote:

Syl wrote:Some people are bisexual, I should think it' quite common in that case to marry, have kids, then find themselves having feelings for a man later on.....or vice versa for a woman.

Not everyones sexuality is set in stone.

That’s what I meant. You can’t over-generalise and think all gay people are simply out to dupe people. That’s not fair.  

I think it was a lot more understandable a couple of generations ago for homosexuals to marry, unless they were prepared to break the law and have openly gay relationships, and ruin their chances of forging a decent career and fitting into society, they didn't have much choice....apart from being alone all their lives.
Thankfully times have changed.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me why no hetrosexual wants to be converted to being gay?

Nobody could answer this and the reason nobody would, because hetrosexuals are accepted into society. I mean what more evidence to people need to understand what the problem is. To why some homosexuals have felt pressured into converting?

phildidge wrote:I am still waiting for someone to tell me why no hetrosexual wants to be converted to being gay?

Nobody could answer this and the reason nobody would, because hetrosexuals are accepted into society. I mean what more evidence to people need to understand what the problem is. To why some homosexuals have felt pressured into converting?

duh, ya think?

phildidge wrote:I am still waiting for someone to tell me why no hetrosexual wants to be converted to being gay?

Nobody could answer this and the reason nobody would, because hetrosexuals are accepted into society. I mean what more evidence to people need to understand what the problem is. To why some homosexuals have felt pressured into converting?

It’s a good question and unanswerable because everyone knows it’s much harder to live as a homosexual than a straight person. It shouldn’t be, but it is.

Very good question. I love hard-to-answer questions!

gelico wrote:

phildidge wrote:I am still waiting for someone to tell me why no hetrosexual wants to be converted to being gay?

Nobody could answer this and the reason nobody would, because hetrosexuals are accepted into society. I mean what more evidence to people need to understand what the problem is. To why some homosexuals have felt pressured into converting?

duh, ya think?

Duh, yeah Gelico

Off to bed and hope you find me an example for your hypothesis when back online

All the best and night

eddie wrote:

phildidge wrote:I am still waiting for someone to tell me why no hetrosexual wants to be converted to being gay?

Nobody could answer this and the reason nobody would, because hetrosexuals are accepted into society. I mean what more evidence to people need to understand what the problem is. To why some homosexuals have felt pressured into converting?

It’s a good question and unanswerable because everyone knows it’s much harder to live as a homosexual than a straight person. It shouldn’t be, but it is.

Very good question. I love hard-to-answer questions!

Thanks eddie

Night

phildidge wrote:I am still waiting for someone to tell me why no hetrosexual wants to be converted to being gay?

Nobody could answer this and the reason nobody would, because hetrosexuals are accepted into society. I mean what more evidence to people need to understand what the problem is. To why some homosexuals have felt pressured into converting?

I can't tell you why anybody would be converted to homosexuality. The closest thing I can come to that is the phenomenon of some young people experimenting with homosexuality, but that's not even close to the same thing, so I won't even offer it up as an answer.

Your question is so good, it could be used as a benchmark for empathy towards all sorts of different people.

Ben Reilly wrote:

phildidge wrote:I am still waiting for someone to tell me why no hetrosexual wants to be converted to being gay?

Nobody could answer this and the reason nobody would, beca5use hetrosexuals are accepted into society. I mean what more evidence to people need to understand what the problem is. To why some homosexuals have felt pressured into converting?

I can't tell you why anybody would be converted to homosexuality. The closest thing I can come to that is the phenomenon of some young people experimenting with homosexuality, but that's not even close to the same thing, so I won't even offer it up as an answer.

Your question is so good, it could be used as a benchmark for empathy towards all sorts of different people.

Errr excuse me but I posted this on the first page of the thread....

"She should know though that the best way to get EVERYONE to accept their own natural sexuality is by having no discrimination at all..
The proof being  I doubt many heterosexual  people ask for help to convert them to homosexuality."

Syl wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

phildidge wrote:I am still waiting for someone to tell me why no hetrosexual wants to be converted to being gay?

Nobody could answer this and the reason nobody would, beca5use hetrosexuals are accepted into society. I mean what more evidence to people need to understand what the problem is. To why some homosexuals have felt pressured into converting?

I can't tell you why anybody would be converted to homosexuality. The closest thing I can come to that is the phenomenon of some young people experimenting with homosexuality, but that's not even close to the same thing, so I won't even offer it up as an answer.

Your question is so good, it could be used as a benchmark for empathy towards all sorts of different people.

Errr excuse me but I posted this on the first page of the thread....

"She should know though that the best way to get EVERYONE to accept their own natural sexuality is by having no discrimination at all..
The proof being  I doubt many heterosexual  people ask for help to convert them to homosexuality."

I apologize profusely! It is a great question, I don't know if Didge thought it up as well.

Sorry Syl.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Syl wrote:

Errr excuse me but I posted this on the first page of the thread....

"She should know though that the best way to get EVERYONE to accept their own natural sexuality is by having no discrimination at all..
The proof being  I doubt many heterosexual  people ask for help to convert them to homosexuality."

I apologize profusely! It is a great question, I don't know if Didge thought it up as well.

He has argued with and criticised every post I have made throughout the thread.. then has the nerve to copy almost word for word what I posted at the very start of the debate.

Night Ben and Eddie.x

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Syl wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Syl wrote:

Errr excuse me but I posted this on the first page of the thread....

"She should know though that the best way to get EVERYONE to accept their own natural sexuality is by having no discrimination at all..
The proof being  I doubt many heterosexual  people ask for help to convert them to homosexuality."

I apologize profusely! It is a great question, I don't know if Didge thought it up as well.

He has argued with and criticised every post I have made throughout the thread.. then has the nerve to copy almost word for word what I posted at the very start of the debate.

Night Ben and Eddie.x

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Night beautiful x

Syl wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

I apologize profusely! It is a great question, I don't know if Didge thought it up as well.

He has argued with and criticised every post I have made throughout the thread.. then has the nerve to copy almost word for word what I posted at the very start of the debate.

Night Ben and Eddie.x

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Actually I have not read and criticised every poost you made, as I only joined the debate on the second page and thus never copied you. As I never saw you post this. So stop telling porkies, I also thought of this myself. So I will await your apology when online next. 

Thanks