Brexit. What an omnishambolic clusterfuck.

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More political shenanigans and monoevering than the US election.
No deal, this deal, any deal is going to cause pain.
May has to go, there HAS to be another General Election, and another referendum.
Interesting that a few big guns are keeping quiet.

nicko wrote:You are all ignorant on the practice of Halal slaughter !   The Iman must say a prayer while the animal is conscious, So the animal is "pre-stunned" but not killed,as that would be "harem".  So animal is still alive when it's throat is cut !   For those of you whosay it does not happen, go to a slaughter house and see the truth.  Sorry they will not let "Christians in to see these cruel practices I worked in a slaughter house for a few weeks,I'v seen it happen to Cows and Sheep.   When they kill Chickens, do you think they take the time to say a prayer over thousands of them ? I'll tell you how they do it,  they are hung upside down on hooks on a moving line witch dips their heads in water witch has an electric current running through it.   So fuck off trying to say Muslim slaughter houses are HUMANE !!!!

Nope, there is no Imam at Australian Halal abattoirs for a start.
And most workers at the abattoirs are christian/atheist/whatever 
there are very few Muslims in rural Australia where the abattoirs are
there would not be enough Muslims in Goulburn to run the abattoir, which is a major employer in town.

And any Clean abattoir Cuts the major arteries while the heart is still pumping, this is necessary for clean disease free meat. a conclusion reached by SCIENCE and legally required in Australia.  

Australian Abattoirs are MORE humane than UK abattoirs
being Halal or Not makes ZERO difference to how human or inhumane they are.

Sorry Veya I can't except that !

Australian Halal is industrialized western slaughter, for export, it's not the same as some 3rd world butcher shop.

the meat is shrink wrapped and deep frozen within hours of the animals death and may end up being eaten on the other side of the planet

Also it is far better than the alternative, which is live export
where the animals have to endure weeks or even months at sea before ending up in some 3rd world butcher shop.

it far better we make the few tweaks (run facing mecca and little plaque) and ensure they are killed humanely in our highly regulated abattoirs than left to the inclinations of some unregulated slaughter-man.

nicko wrote:Sorry Veya I can't except that !

Sounds like Tommy's response to the world's leading scientists regarding climate change.

Eilzel wrote:The vote result was 52/48.

Farage had said before that if Brexit lost (as he expected it would, at the time) by a narrow margin, that there would be 'unfinished business'.

Well that margin was extremely narrow and now looks to have flipped completely having seen lies exposed, 2 years of a falling pound, companies leaving, a government in freefall and atrocious negotiations all round.

A People's Vote, based on FACTS, is now surely the only way to decide on:

-May's deal
-No deal
-Remain

If the result goes the way of Brexit again, no one could argue further.

1.5 million more people voted to leave than to remain!!!


Since then there has been wall to wall bullshit and obstruction from the remainers!!!


It is time to get on with leaving properly, and as the EU is only offering a stitch up deal, then we need to leave on a no deal basis!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:The vote result was 52/48.

Farage had said before that if Brexit lost (as he expected it would, at the time) by a narrow margin, that there would be 'unfinished business'.

Well that margin was extremely narrow and now looks to have flipped completely having seen lies exposed, 2 years of a falling pound, companies leaving, a government in freefall and atrocious negotiations all round.

A People's Vote, based on FACTS, is now surely the only way to decide on:

-May's deal
-No deal
-Remain

If the result goes the way of Brexit again, no one could argue further.

1.5 million more people voted to leave than to remain!!!


Since then there has been wall to wall bullshit and obstruction from the remainers!!!


It is time to get on with leaving properly, and as the EU is only offering a stitch up deal, then we need to leave on a no deal basis!!!

So your love of democracy only works part time?

Scared you'd lose a second vote?

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

1.5 million more people voted to leave than to remain!!!


Since then there has been wall to wall bullshit and obstruction from the remainers!!!


It is time to get on with leaving properly, and as the EU is only offering a stitch up deal, then we need to leave on a no deal basis!!!

So your love of democracy only works part time?

Scared you'd lose a second vote?

What is the point then in having a referendum in the first place, using your ridiculous principle?

As  then, this will be the sticking point to then have a third referendum and more, until people get their way.

It thus becomes never ending, because those who lost the vote cleary have no respect for democracy but mob rule

It seems its you having no love of democracy here in this instance.

As how many referndums is needed to get your way?

Best of three probably but if that doesn't work it'll go to best of five and so on.

Thor wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

1.5 million more people voted to leave than to remain!!!


Since then there has been wall to wall bullshit and obstruction from the remainers!!!


It is time to get on with leaving properly, and as the EU is only offering a stitch up deal, then we need to leave on a no deal basis!!!

So your love of democracy only works part time?

Scared you'd lose a second vote?

What is the point then in having a referendum in the first place, using your ridiculous principle?

As  then, this will be the sticking point to then have a third referendum and more, until people get their way.

It thus becomes never ending, because those who lost the vote cleary have no respect for democracy but mob rule

It seems its you having no love of democracy here in this instance.

As how many referndums is needed to get your way?

How many?

One more.

People voted Leave because they thought it'd bring a better situation for the UK.

Now they know the alternatives, plus the option of No Deal or May's Deal - a choice our politicians seem to be struggling with.

So the people should have a choice once the cards are on the table:

-Remain
-Leave with no deal
-Leave with May's deal

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

What is the point then in having a referendum in the first place, using your ridiculous principle?

As  then, this will be the sticking point to then have a third referendum and more, until people get their way.

It thus becomes never ending, because those who lost the vote cleary have no respect for democracy but mob rule

It seems its you having no love of democracy here in this instance.

As how many referndums is needed to get your way?

How many?

One more.

People voted Leave because they thought it'd bring a better situation for the UK.

Now they know the alternatives, plus the option of No Deal or May's Deal - a choice our politicians seem to be struggling with.

So the people should have a choice once the cards are on the table:

-Remain
-Leave with no deal
-Leave with May's deal

And those people voted to leave, which means those that lost are unable to respect democracy

They will continually call for more and more referendums, until they get their way

You had your choice and you lost

That is how it works

What you have now is the ability to vote for a Governement change in the next general elections

If one of those policies of the party is to become part of the EU. Then you vote for that party.

So how about you actually start respecting democracy. As so far all I as seeing from you is sour grapes

So far leaving the Uk has been very good for the country.

This country has the biggest growth in the EU

How is that somehow bad to you?

Seems you are very much in a minority to have a second referendum Eilzel

Not only do the majority want to leave, but only 8% of people support a second referendum

The decision to leave the EU has already been made...


Now... given the decision has already been made by the British people to leave the EU... the only question that remains is this...
Do we come to some sort of arrangement on reciprocal trade tariffs?
Or... do we trade under WTO rules trade tariffs?

And I'll tell you this for 100% certainty... if the EU won't agree to any favourable trade tariffs by the time we leave... they will be tripping over themselves to try to agree lower trade tariffs after we leave...!!!

Thor wrote:


Seems you are very much in a minority to have a second referendum Eilzel

Not only do the majority want to leave, but only 8% of people support a second referendum

One poll, another poll said 54% back Remain now, another said two thirds want a referendum.

What is absolutely clear is the decision to accept the deal or no deal should go to the public, and since neither decision was known in 2016 we should also have the option to reject both and stay.

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:


Seems you are very much in a minority to have a second referendum Eilzel

Not only do the majority want to leave, but only 8% of people support a second referendum

One poll, another poll said 54% back Remain now, another said two thirds want a referendum.

What is absolutely clear is the decision to accept the deal or no deal should go to the public, and since neither decision was known in 2016 we should also have the option to reject both and stay.

We have already had the only real poll that matters... And that was the referendum we had where the British people decided to leave the EU!!!


Now... the only question is whether we trade on WTO rules or if we can agree some more favourable reciprocal trade tariffs between us...


The Ireland border argument is a complete red herring... as we already have 2 different currencies and 2 different VAT rates, and many other different systems between NI and Ireland... And all happening without any hard border... And there is absolutely no reason at all to have any change on the border after leaving the EU either!!!


It's all bullshit!!!


And the only party who are saying that there needs to be any hard border are the bloody EU!!!


Although they are also trying to argue that they are the ones trying to avoid the thing that it is only them who are threatening to try to impose...!!!


WTF!!!???




And Les... come off it...


I know you think leavers are stupid...


But... only a real thicko/remainer (same thing) will think your proposal is a good idea, whereby having a 2nd referendum where it is splitting the leave vote into 2, being either the deal or no deal options, while also having a remain option where all the remainers stick in one category option to secure a sneaky win...!!!





All you are really showing is how stupid you are... that you think you are being clever... And how you think everyone else will be fooled by your genius...!!!


When all you are showing is how devious and underhand you are... And how stupid you are... And how little regard you have for democracy... And how much contempt you hold for truth and justice, and for everyone else who has a different opinion to yourself...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:


Seems you are very much in a minority to have a second referendum Eilzel

Not only do the majority want to leave, but only 8% of people support a second referendum

One poll, another poll said 54% back Remain now, another said two thirds want a referendum.

What is absolutely clear is the decision to accept the deal or no deal should go to the public, and since neither decision was known in 2016 we should also have the option to reject both and stay.

We have already had the only real poll that matters... And that was the referendum we had where the British people decided to leave the EU!!!


Now... the only question is whether we trade on WTO rules or if we can agree some more favourable reciprocal trade tariffs between us...


The Ireland border argument is a complete red herring... as we already have 2 different currencies and 2 different VAT rates, and many other different systems between NI and Ireland... And all happening without any hard border... And there is absolutely no reason at all to have any change on the border after leaving the EU either!!!


It's all bullshit!!!


And the only party who are saying that there needs to be any hard border are the bloody EU!!!


Although they are also trying to argue that they are the ones trying to avoid the thing that it is only them who are threatening to try to impose...!!!


WTF!!!???




And Les... come off it...


I know you think leavers are stupid...


But... only a real thicko/remainer (same thing) will think your proposal is a good idea, whereby having a 2nd referendum where it is splitting the leave vote into 2, being either the deal or no deal options, while also having a remain option where all the remainers stick in one category option to secure a sneaky win...!!!





All you are really showing is how stupid you are... that you think you are being clever... And how you think everyone else will be fooled by your genius...!!!


When all you are showing is how devious and underhand you are... And how stupid you are... And how little regard you have for democracy... And how much contempt you hold for truth and justice, and for everyone else who has a different opinion to yourself...!!!

Actually, moron, I wasn't trying any trick. The vote could be done by preference (AV), thereby removing the chance for any 'split'.

After the way the arrogant unelected leaders of the EU are treating us, I would think anyone with any pride would tell them to GET STUFFED !

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


We have already had the only real poll that matters... And that was the referendum we had where the British people decided to leave the EU!!!


Now... the only question is whether we trade on WTO rules or if we can agree some more favourable reciprocal trade tariffs between us...


The Ireland border argument is a complete red herring... as we already have 2 different currencies and 2 different VAT rates, and many other different systems between NI and Ireland... And all happening without any hard border... And there is absolutely no reason at all to have any change on the border after leaving the EU either!!!


It's all bullshit!!!


And the only party who are saying that there needs to be any hard border are the bloody EU!!!


Although they are also trying to argue that they are the ones trying to avoid the thing that it is only them who are threatening to try to impose...!!!


WTF!!!???




And Les... come off it...


I know you think leavers are stupid...


But... only a real thicko/remainer (same thing) will think your proposal is a good idea, whereby having a 2nd referendum where it is splitting the leave vote into 2, being either the deal or no deal options, while also having a remain option where all the remainers stick in one category option to secure a sneaky win...!!!





All you are really showing is how stupid you are... that you think you are being clever... And how you think everyone else will be fooled by your genius...!!!


When all you are showing is how devious and underhand you are... And how stupid you are... And how little regard you have for democracy... And how much contempt you hold for truth and justice, and for everyone else who has a different opinion to yourself...!!!

Actually, moron, I wasn't trying any trick. The vote could be done by preference (AV), thereby removing the chance for any 'split'.

Bollocks!!!


We've already had the vote... Time to get on with it and for remoaners to stop trying to ruin it!!!

May has already come back with the deal that is on offer... it is a terrible offer... so the only option left is to leave under a no deal!!!


And I guarantee that as soon as we leave on the 29th of March
.. the EU will be bending over backwards to arrange lower tariffs with us!!!


That's if they don't come back sooner with a better offer first!!!

I wish we could have another vote, now that people have seen the fallout from the first one.

Raggamuffin wrote:I wish we could have another vote, now that people have seen the fallout from the first one.

Why?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I wish we could have another vote, now that people have seen the fallout from the first one.

Why?

I would still vote out, especially now we see how churlish the others have treated us.
The pity is the country hasn't backed the decision properly and the negotiators are bloody useless.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I wish we could have another vote, now that people have seen the fallout from the first one.

Why?

I just hate all this fallout from it. The country is so divided about it, and the Government have no idea what to do. I have to admire Mrs May though - she's pretty tough.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Why?

I just hate all this fallout from it. The country is so divided about it, and the Government have no idea what to do. I have to admire Mrs May though - she's pretty tough.

She's a remainer. There's no way she'd have even tried to do a better deal. This is about as good as it gets.

The country wouldn't be divided if the remoaners accepted the result of the democratic vote to leave...


And if the remoaners had not been trying to obstruct brexit at every turn, and had not been making such a fuss with their lies and spin all this time, then we would be getting on with it a whole lot easier...

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I just hate all this fallout from it. The country is so divided about it, and the Government have no idea what to do. I have to admire Mrs May though - she's pretty tough.

She's a remainer.  There's no way she'd have even tried to do a better deal.  This is about as good as it gets.

It must be quite tough to do a deal at all if she wants us to stay in the EU.

Tommy Monk wrote:The country wouldn't be divided if the remoaners accepted the result of the democratic vote to leave...


And if the remoaners had not been trying to obstruct brexit at every turn, and had not been making such a fuss with their lies and spin all this time, then we would be getting on with it a whole lot easier...

Nor would the country be divided if Brexit politicians and the RW media hadn't spent the better part of a decade pushing for referendums on the EU and thrn outright lying to get a Leave vote.

Nor would the country be divided if we were given a final vote on the eventual deal - not forced to accept some shoddy deal or no deal no one predicted in June 2016.

You seem awfully reluctant to allow a second vote to decide the ACTUAL future of our country (as opposed to some vague promises of Leaving and what it might entail), despite the fact Farage himself, your Brexit prophet, said a narrow margin of victory would mean 'unfinished business'

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The country wouldn't be divided if the remoaners accepted the result of the democratic vote to leave...


And if the remoaners had not been trying to obstruct brexit at every turn, and had not been making such a fuss with their lies and spin all this time, then we would be getting on with it a whole lot easier...

Nor would the country be divided if Brexit politicians and the RW media hadn't spent the better part of a decade pushing for referendums on the EU and thrn outright lying to get a Leave vote.

Nor would the country be divided if we were given a final vote on the eventual deal - not forced to accept some shoddy deal or no deal no one predicted in June 2016.

You seem awfully reluctant to allow a second vote to decide the ACTUAL future of our country (as opposed to some vague promises of Leaving and what it might entail), despite the fact Farage himself, your Brexit prophet, said a narrow margin of victory would mean 'unfinished business'

Seriously?

And the left wing media never made any such fear based factors on leaving and how none of them have come to past?

How many predictions have actually turned out wrong from the left wing media, remainer economists etc?

You seek to blame one side, when at least I blame both sides for causing a divide, but lets speak frankly. None of the predictions by the remainers, have turned out to be true.

You again do not respect the reality of a referendum. How many times would one be needed, in order that you get your way?

If people voted to leave, then that is what happens. You either respect that or you look to gain a majority to rejoin the EU, through the policies of a party through an election.

Not, as you are doing, wanting to throw your dummy out, as the decision did not go your way and yet I want to remain in the EU. I though want to see a more democratic system for election of EU representitives

That is the difference between us.

Thor wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The country wouldn't be divided if the remoaners accepted the result of the democratic vote to leave...


And if the remoaners had not been trying to obstruct brexit at every turn, and had not been making such a fuss with their lies and spin all this time, then we would be getting on with it a whole lot easier...

Nor would the country be divided if Brexit politicians and the RW media hadn't spent the better part of a decade pushing for referendums on the EU and thrn outright lying to get a Leave vote.

Nor would the country be divided if we were given a final vote on the eventual deal - not forced to accept some shoddy deal or no deal no one predicted in June 2016.

You seem awfully reluctant to allow a second vote to decide the ACTUAL future of our country (as opposed to some vague promises of Leaving and what it might entail), despite the fact Farage himself, your Brexit prophet, said a narrow margin of victory would mean 'unfinished business'

Seriously?

And the left wing media never made any such fear based factors on leaving and how none of them have come to past?

How many predictions have actually turned out wrong from the left wing media, remainer economists etc?

You seek to blame one side, when at least I blame both sides for causing a divide, but lets speak frankly. None of the predictions by the remainers, have turned out to be true.

You again do not respect the reality of a referendum. How many times would one be needed, in order that you get your way?

If people voted to leave, then that is what happens. You either respect that or you look to gain a majority to rejoin the EU, through the policies of a party through an election.

Not, as you are doing, wanting to throw your dummy out, as the decision did not go your way and I want to remain in the EU.

That is the difference between us.

Do you not read? I said very clearly, to anyone who can read, that only ONE more vote is needed, to make a final decision based on the actual choices available.

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:


Seriously?

And the left wing media never made any such fear based factors on leaving and how none of them have come to past?

How many predictions have actually turned out wrong from the left wing media, remainer economists etc?

You seek to blame one side, when at least I blame both sides for causing a divide, but lets speak frankly. None of the predictions by the remainers, have turned out to be true.

You again do not respect the reality of a referendum. How many times would one be needed, in order that you get your way?

If people voted to leave, then that is what happens. You either respect that or you look to gain a majority to rejoin the EU, through the policies of a party through an election.

Not, as you are doing, wanting to throw your dummy out, as the decision did not go your way and I want to remain in the EU.

That is the difference between us.

Do you not read? I said very clearly, to anyone who can read, that only ONE more vote is needed, to make a final decision based on the actual choices available.

So why one more vote, when you already have a decision?

That was the final decision, as that is what a referendum is and you want to move the goal posts, as the vote did not go your way

I read what you said, its utter tripe

Its simple sour grapes, twisting your testicles like a toddler, screaming, until you get your way

Thor wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:


Seriously?

And the left wing media never made any such fear based factors on leaving and how none of them have come to past?

How many predictions have actually turned out wrong from the left wing media, remainer economists etc?

You seek to blame one side, when at least I blame both sides for causing a divide, but lets speak frankly. None of the predictions by the remainers, have turned out to be true.

You again do not respect the reality of a referendum. How many times would one be needed, in order that you get your way?

If people voted to leave, then that is what happens. You either respect that or you look to gain a majority to rejoin the EU, through the policies of a party through an election.

Not, as you are doing, wanting to throw your dummy out, as the decision did not go your way and I want to remain in the EU.

That is the difference between us.

Do you not read? I said very clearly, to anyone who can read, that only ONE more vote is needed, to make a final decision based on the actual choices available.

So why one more vote, when you already have a decision?

That was the final decision, as that is what a referendum is and you want to move the goal posts, as the vote did not go your way

I read what you said, its utter tripe

Its simple sour grapes, twisting your testicles like a toddler, screaming, until you get your way

1. It isn't moving the goalposts. Leavers said we'd get all kinds of wonderful things after Brexit; well no deal or May's deal guarantee nothing. The vote would be on the final decision.

2. If you read what I said, why did you stupidly suggest I or anyone wants more than one vote. If you READ you will see I said ONE.

3. Pointless insulting drivel, adds nothing to the discussion.

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

So why one more vote, when you already have a decision?

That was the final decision, as that is what a referendum is and you want to move the goal posts, as the vote did not go your way

I read what you said, its utter tripe

Its simple sour grapes, twisting your testicles like a toddler, screaming, until you get your way

1. It isn't moving the goalposts. Leavers said we'd get all kinds of wonderful things after Brexit; well no deal or May's deal guarantee nothing. The vote would be on the final decision.

2. If you read what I said, why did you stupidly suggest I or anyone wants more than one vote. If you READ you will see I said ONE.

3. Pointless insulting drivel, adds nothing to the discussion.

1) Yes it is moving the goal posts. We have had many wonderful things after the referendum. Like more jobs, better wages, bettter economy etc

2) Bullshit, as you have not explain why we need another referendum, unless you dicsount the actual first one and you do this off no reasoning but like the leftist that you are, wanting to get your way, pull on your testicles again

3) Its showing you up rightly for being a poor loser, when we both want to remain in the EU

I accept the decision, that the people voted on. You however would make the same argument again four years down the line, if the second referendum did not go your way

There was no insults, but taking the rightful piss out of yourt ridiculous arguments.

Thor wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

So why one more vote, when you already have a decision?

That was the final decision, as that is what a referendum is and you want to move the goal posts, as the vote did not go your way

I read what you said, its utter tripe

Its simple sour grapes, twisting your testicles like a toddler, screaming, until you get your way

1. It isn't moving the goalposts. Leavers said we'd get all kinds of wonderful things after Brexit; well no deal or May's deal guarantee nothing. The vote would be on the final decision.

2. If you read what I said, why did you stupidly suggest I or anyone wants more than one vote. If you READ you will see I said ONE.

3. Pointless insulting drivel, adds nothing to the discussion.

1) Yes it is moving the goal posts. We have had many wonderful things after the referendum. Like more jobs, better wages, bettter economy etc

2) Bullshit, as you have not explain why we need another referendum, unless you dicsount the actual first one and you do this off no reasoning but like the leftist that you are, wanting to get your way, pull on your testicles again

3) Its showing you up rightly for being a poor loser, when we both want to remain in the EU

I accept the decision, that the people voted on. You however would make the same argument again four years down the line, if the second referendum did not go your way

There was no insults, but taking the rightful piss out of yourt ridiculous arguments.

2. Yes I have, you just don't read.

1. You do know we haven't actually left the EU yet, don't you?

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

1) Yes it is moving the goal posts. We have had many wonderful things after the referendum. Like more jobs, better wages, bettter economy etc

2) Bullshit, as you have not explain why we need another referendum, unless you dicsount the actual first one and you do this off no reasoning but like the leftist that you are, wanting to get your way, pull on your testicles again

3) Its showing you up rightly for being a poor loser, when we both want to remain in the EU

I accept the decision, that the people voted on. You however would make the same argument again four years down the line, if the second referendum did not go your way

There was no insults, but taking the rightful piss out of yourt ridiculous arguments.

2. Yes I have, you just don't read.

1. You do know we haven't actually left the EU yet, don't you?

Yes we have left the EU, its like anyone that leaves a relationship. What has not been decided is the finality of that divorce

I read what you say mate, but its really a load of sour grapes what you are saying and at no point do you provide a valid reason to have a second referendum.

You are only doing this, based on the EU, treating the UK like a piece of shit and holding us to randsom

Imagine the EU was a poster here. Would they not be banned?

Thor wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

1) Yes it is moving the goal posts. We have had many wonderful things after the referendum. Like more jobs, better wages, bettter economy etc

2) Bullshit, as you have not explain why we need another referendum, unless you dicsount the actual first one and you do this off no reasoning but like the leftist that you are, wanting to get your way, pull on your testicles again

3) Its showing you up rightly for being a poor loser, when we both want to remain in the EU

I accept the decision, that the people voted on. You however would make the same argument again four years down the line, if the second referendum did not go your way

There was no insults, but taking the rightful piss out of yourt ridiculous arguments.

2. Yes I have, you just don't read.

1. You do know we haven't actually left the EU yet, don't you?

Yes we have left the EU, its like anyone that leaves a relationship. What has not been decided is the finality of that divorce

I read what you say mate, but its really a load of sour grapes what you are saying and at no point do you provide a valid reason to have a second referendum.

You are only doing this, based on the EU, treating the UK like a piece of shit and holding us to randsom

Imagine the EU was a poster here. Would they not be banned?

We haven't left the EU at all. As of right now, 18.11.18, we remain in the Single Market, contributing to and benefitting from the EU, with our own MEPs and with Free Movement and in the ECHR.

We haven't lost any of that yet. What happens when we do will inevitably affect businesses, many of which support May's deal because it protects their interests (while screwing the rest of us). No deal screws business but pleases the hard line Brexiteers. Both options will see the UK suffer to some extent.

But make no mistake, we haven't left the EU yet, in any way. Hence we could stop the whole right now if the government wanted to. The only outcome so far is the free fall of GBP.

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

Yes we have left the EU, its like anyone that leaves a relationship. What has not been decided is the finality of that divorce

I read what you say mate, but its really a load of sour grapes what you are saying and at no point do you provide a valid reason to have a second referendum.

You are only doing this, based on the EU, treating the UK like a piece of shit and holding us to randsom

Imagine the EU was a poster here. Would they not be banned?

We haven't left the EU at all. As of right now, 18.11.18, we remain in the Single Market, contributing to and benefitting from the EU, with our own MEPs and with Free Movement and in the ECHR.

We haven't lost any of that yet. What happens when we do will inevitably affect businesses, many of which support May's deal because it protects their interests (while screwing the rest of us). No deal screws business but pleases the hard line Brexiteers. Both options will see the UK suffer to some extent.

But make no mistake, we haven't left the EU yet, in any way. Hence we could stop the whole right now if the government wanted to. The only outcome so far is the free fall of GBP.

1) Yes we have left the EU.

Its only about how this divorce is panned out

Just like parents already in agreement to share custody, until a settlement has been made by a judge

Both have left each other, as has the Uk to the EU

That is not rocket science and surprised you cannot firgure that common sense out mate

2) So here we go more fear factor, after castigating the RW media, on this very same line. How do you know a no deal will screw buisnesses?

You do not, and hence are using fearmongering as a tactic and poorly so to argue for a second referendum. That is sheer gibberish

3) Yes we have left the EU

Thor wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

Yes we have left the EU, its like anyone that leaves a relationship. What has not been decided is the finality of that divorce

I read what you say mate, but its really a load of sour grapes what you are saying and at no point do you provide a valid reason to have a second referendum.

You are only doing this, based on the EU, treating the UK like a piece of shit and holding us to randsom

Imagine the EU was a poster here. Would they not be banned?

We haven't left the EU at all. As of right now, 18.11.18, we remain in the Single Market, contributing to and benefitting from the EU, with our own MEPs and with Free Movement and in the ECHR.

We haven't lost any of that yet. What happens when we do will inevitably affect businesses, many of which support May's deal because it protects their interests (while screwing the rest of us). No deal screws business but pleases the hard line Brexiteers. Both options will see the UK suffer to some extent.

But make no mistake, we haven't left the EU yet, in any way. Hence we could stop the whole right now if the government wanted to. The only outcome so far is the free fall of GBP.

1) Yes we have left the EU.

Its only about how this divorce is panned out

Just like parents already in agreement to share custody, until a settlement has been made by a judge

Both have left each other, as has the Uk to the EU

That is not rocket science and surprised you cannot firgure that common sense out mate

2) So here we go more fear factor, after castigating the RW media, on this very same line. How do you know a no deal will screw buisnesses?

You do not, and hence are using fearmongering as a tactic and poorly so to argue for a second referendum. That is sheer gibberish

3) Yes we have left the EU

Wrong. I just laid out exactly how we haven't left yet. To use your flawed analogy: we have agreed to a divorce, but currently still share a house and live together under the same rules. We just got the papers and are about to sign them. The future is unpredictable

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

1) Yes we have left the EU.

Its only about how this divorce is panned out

Just like parents already in agreement to share custody, until a settlement has been made by a judge

Both have left each other, as has the Uk to the EU

That is not rocket science and surprised you cannot firgure that common sense out mate

2) So here we go more fear factor, after castigating the RW media, on this very same line. How do you know a no deal will screw buisnesses?

You do not, and hence are using fearmongering as a tactic and poorly so to argue for a second referendum. That is sheer gibberish

3) Yes we have left the EU

Wrong. I just laid out exactly how we haven't left yet. To use your flawed analogy: we have agreed to a divorce, but currently still share a house and live together under the same rules. We just got the papers and are about to sign them. The future is unpredictable

I'm wrong?

You laid it out, never taking on a single point I made?

And I am accused of claiming I am always right?

wow

Now we voted and we left

The divorce settlement has simple not been agreed

Families continue civility, until that is settle, but they have still left that relationship

How hard is that for you to grasp?

Thor wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

1) Yes we have left the EU.

Its only about how this divorce is panned out

Just like parents already in agreement to share custody, until a settlement has been made by a judge

Both have left each other, as has the Uk to the EU

That is not rocket science and surprised you cannot firgure that common sense out mate

2) So here we go more fear factor, after castigating the RW media, on this very same line. How do you know a no deal will screw buisnesses?

You do not, and hence are using fearmongering as a tactic and poorly so to argue for a second referendum. That is sheer gibberish

3) Yes we have left the EU

Wrong. I just laid out exactly how we haven't left yet. To use your flawed analogy: we have agreed to a divorce, but currently still share a house and live together under the same rules. We just got the papers and are about to sign them. The future is unpredictable

I'm wrong?

You laid it out, never taking on a single point I made?

And I am accused of claiming I am always right?

wow

Now we voted and we left

The divorce settlement has simple not been agreed

Families continue civility, until that is settle, but they have still left that relationship

How hard is that for you to grasp?

More in love with your analogy than the facts, I see.

I'll make it simple, though expect you will still fail to get it, deliberately or not.

Businesses benefit a lot from the Single Market.
We ARE still in the Single Market.
When we LEAVE we will NOT be in the Single Market.

Simple. (That's how you use the word 'simple' correctly, btw )

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

I'm wrong?

You laid it out, never taking on a single point I made?

And I am accused of claiming I am always right?

wow

Now we voted and we left

The divorce settlement has simple not been agreed

Families continue civility, until that is settle, but they have still left that relationship

How hard is that for you to grasp?

More in love with your analogy than the facts, I see.

I'll make it simple, though expect will still fail to get it, deliberately or not.

Business benefit a lot from the Single Market.
We ARE still in the Single Market.
When we LEAVE we will NOT be in the Single Market.

Simple. (That's how you use the word 'simple' correctly, btw )

1) What facts mate?

2) Ooooh, back to you insulting, as you have to every poster who you seem to think does not understand you

3) How is buisness doing now?

4) And?????? We wont be in the single market.

And?

Are you going to give me more predicitions, that I also was wrong on with the Uk leaving the EU

Seriously. what argument are you making here?

Dont get cocky mate. We are both intelligent and yet you look down more on people when they disaagree, than I do

Thor wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

I'm wrong?

You laid it out, never taking on a single point I made?

And I am accused of claiming I am always right?

wow

Now we voted and we left

The divorce settlement has simple not been agreed

Families continue civility, until that is settle, but they have still left that relationship

How hard is that for you to grasp?

More in love with your analogy than the facts, I see.

I'll make it simple, though expect will still fail to get it, deliberately or not.

Business benefit a lot from the Single Market.
We ARE still in the Single Market.
When we LEAVE we will NOT be in the Single Market.

Simple. (That's how you use the word 'simple' correctly, btw )

1) What facts mate?

2) Ooooh, back to you insulting, as you have to every poster who you seem to think does not understand you

3) How is buisness doing now?

4) And?????? We wont be in the single market.

And?

Are you going to give me more predicitions, that I also was wrong on with the Uk leaving the EU

Seriously. what argument are you making here?

Dont get cocky mate. We are both intelligent and yet you look down more on people when they disaagree, than I do

Oh please, you spend endless amounts of your posts throwing condescending terms at those you disagree with.

The facts I mentioned above I won't repeat again. We currently remain IN the EU.

Businesses are OK now, while we are still IN in the EU.

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

1) What facts mate?

2) Ooooh, back to you insulting, as you have to every poster who you seem to think does not understand you

3) How is buisness doing now?

4) And?????? We wont be in the single market.

And?

Are you going to give me more predicitions, that I also was wrong on with the Uk leaving the EU

Seriously. what argument are you making here?

Dont get cocky mate. We are both intelligent and yet you look down more on people when they disaagree, than I do

Oh please, you spend endless amounts of your posts throwing condescending terms at those you disagree with.

The facts I mentioned above I won't repeat again. We currently remain IN the EU.

Businesses are OK now, while we are still IN in the EU.

1) I dont make excuses for my actions mate and yet you are using me, to allow you to do the same?

Hypocrisy much?

2) The Uk economy is thriving. Whulst I bought into the view we would suffer and you still hold a view of fear.

Why?

Thor wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

1) What facts mate?

2) Ooooh, back to you insulting, as you have to every poster who you seem to think does not understand you

3) How is buisness doing now?

4) And?????? We wont be in the single market.

And?

Are you going to give me more predicitions, that I also was wrong on with the Uk leaving the EU

Seriously. what argument are you making here?

Dont get cocky mate. We are both intelligent and yet you look down more on people when they disaagree, than I do

Oh please, you spend endless amounts of your posts throwing condescending terms at those you disagree with.

The facts I mentioned above I won't repeat again. We currently remain IN the EU.

Businesses are OK now, while we are still IN in the EU.

1) I dont make excuses for my actions mate and yet you are using me, to allow you to do the same?

Hypocrisy much?

2) The Uk economy is thriving. Whulst I bought into the view we would suffer and you still hold a view of fear.

Why?

I'm giving up after this, because what is the point?

The economy is doing OK, while we haven't actually left the EU yet. We are still in the Single Market, so the UK economy is doing OK.

Eilzel wrote:

Thor wrote:

1) I dont make excuses for my actions mate and yet you are using me, to allow you to do the same?

Hypocrisy much?

2) The Uk economy is thriving. Whulst I bought into the view we would suffer and you still hold a view of fear.

Why?

I'm giving up after this, because what is the point?

The economy is doing OK, while we haven't actually left the EU yet. We are still in the Single Market, so the UK economy is doing OK.

So is a family doing okay when they seperate mate. That does not mean they are together does it? They are still married, but not together

You do understand that?

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The country wouldn't be divided if the remoaners accepted the result of the democratic vote to leave...


And if the remoaners had not been trying to obstruct brexit at every turn, and had not been making such a fuss with their lies and spin all this time, then we would be getting on with it a whole lot easier...

Nor would the country be divided if Brexit politicians and the RW media hadn't spent the better part of a decade pushing for referendums on the EU and thrn outright lying to get a Leave vote.

Nor would the country be divided if we were given a final vote on the eventual deal - not forced to accept some shoddy deal or no deal no one predicted in June 2016.

You seem awfully reluctant to allow a second vote to decide the ACTUAL future of our country (as opposed to some vague promises of Leaving and what it might entail), despite the fact Farage himself, your Brexit prophet, said a narrow margin of victory would mean 'unfinished business'

You are so wrong over all of this...!


It is the pro EU politicians who have been lying to us over the past 40 years who are to blame!!!


They have continually told us it's just a simple trade arrangement while continually signing us up into a federal dictatorship and giving away more and more of our democratic sovereignty!!!


And do you really think that the British people have only recently been angry about this???


If politicians had been honest about what they've been doing all these years, with all their new EU treaties... And the British people had actually been asked to give consent for any of it along the way... then it would have never got off the ground in the first place!!!


And we wouldn't now be trying to get out of something that we have never agreed to be in, and would never have agreed to be in had we been told the truth and given the choice at every stage of its development!!!


The EU has been imposed on us by a succession of complete lies throughout the last 40 years!!!


And the British people have never agreed to any of it!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The country wouldn't be divided if the remoaners accepted the result of the democratic vote to leave...


And if the remoaners had not been trying to obstruct brexit at every turn, and had not been making such a fuss with their lies and spin all this time, then we would be getting on with it a whole lot easier...

Nor would the country be divided if Brexit politicians and the RW media hadn't spent the better part of a decade pushing for referendums on the EU and thrn outright lying to get a Leave vote.

Nor would the country be divided if we were given a final vote on the eventual deal - not forced to accept some shoddy deal or no deal no one predicted in June 2016.

You seem awfully reluctant to allow a second vote to decide the ACTUAL future of our country (as opposed to some vague promises of Leaving and what it might entail), despite the fact Farage himself, your Brexit prophet, said a narrow margin of victory would mean 'unfinished business'

You are so wrong over all of this...!


It is the pro EU politicians who have been lying to us over the past 40 years who are to blame!!!


They have continually told us it's just a simple trade arrangement while continually signing us up into a federal dictatorship and giving away more and more of our democratic sovereignty!!!


And do you really think that the British people have only recently been angry about this???


If politicians had been honest about what they've been doing all these years, with all their new EU treaties... And the British people had actually been asked to give consent for any of it along the way... then it would have never got off the ground in the first place!!!


And we wouldn't now be trying to get out of something that we have never agreed to be in, and would never have agreed to be in had we been told the truth and given the choice at every stage of its development!!!


The EU has been imposed on us by a succession of complete lies throughout the last 40 years!!!


And the British people have never agreed to any of it!!!

Most polls now put Remaining ahead, so I guess knowing the choices we now have most people disagree with you.

Anyways Tommy, calm down, you're going to break you 1 key on the keyboard at this rate

What happens next is really up in the air. I'm prepared for us to leave, but I'd be happier remaining. Whatever happens, happens. Sadly you seem to be putting all your eggs in the No Deal basket...

As I remember, we voted to join as a trading partner and a trading partner full stop. No mention of unelected bullies telling us British what we can and can't do . Am I correct ?

nicko wrote:As I remember, we voted to join as a trading partner and a trading partner full stop.  No mention of  unelected bullies telling us British what we can and can't do .   Am I correct ?

You see, hyperbolic lines like 'unelected bullies' telling us what to do, is exactly why we have ended up in this mess. It is always made to sound so hideously orchestrated, as if all of Europe is out to get the UK in particular. You want the reason people are divided, it is partly due to lines like that being peddled endlessly by the tabloid press.

Eilzel wrote:

nicko wrote:As I remember, we voted to join as a trading partner and a trading partner full stop.  No mention of  unelected bullies telling us British what we can and can't do .   Am I correct ?

You see, hyperbolic lines like 'unelected bullies' telling us what to do, is exactly why we have ended up in this mess. It is always made to sound so hideously orchestrated, as if all of Europe is out to get the UK in particular. You want the reason people are divided, it is partly due to lines like that being peddled endlessly by the tabloid press.

Really?

We ended up in the mess, because elected leaders took us into a system, without the backing of the people

To the point people got fed up, that they had no real say in how their country should be run and that it is being run by people not elected by the people

And you think people raising this issue, is what caused this?

Seriously?

The reason people are divided is simple this. Nobody is actually listening to each other

Les, i'm a lot older than you, I know what this country was like when British people made rules for British people. Unlike you I live in Britain !