Terror police boost MP's security after she is accused of racism by activists for condemning the grooming of girls by Asian sex gangs

by Guest Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:15 am

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An MP has been given heightened security measures after receiving death threats for condemning the grooming of girls by Asian sex gangs. it was reported. Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, was accused by activists of ‘industrial-scale racism’ for highlighting the ‘common ethnic heritage’ of those involved in the town’s sexual abuse scandal.

The former shadow minister for Women and Equalities hit the headlines when she spoke out after 17 men from Asian backgrounds were convicted of or admitted offences in a series of trials related to child sexual exploitation.

She warned people were failing to tell the truth about child abuse because they were afraid of being called racist.

She also said it was ‘predominantly Pakistani men’ involved in such cases ‘time and time again’.

Miss Champion followed up her comments with a column in the Sun, headlined: ‘British Pakistani men ARE raping and exploiting white girls - it’s time we faced up to it.’

She added: ‘Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls. There. I said it.’ The furore forced Miss Champion to resign from the shadow cabinet and since then she has received dozens of death threats.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5988825/Terror-police-boost-MPs-security-accused-racism-condemning-Asian-sex-gangs.html

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:09 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:

What is funny here for you?

Nobody denied anything here and it was me that pointed this out to you and even within the post I posted the article with

Nobody claimed its a leser crime when a white person rapes a girl. That is your warped mentality here, when such crimes are talked about. as it was even within this article.

Its odd though, that here in this article knowing this. You are not in this instance shouting its racism or sexist to say white men.

Busted.

You do understand the catogories here do you not and the types of crime?

I openly stated that many child sex abusers are white males. It normally happens within families as stated. Then we have grooming gangs, which are vastly over represented by one single ethnicity.

Pakistani's

Its also even worse to claim, " but not by Pakistanis" to the category where the offenders are lone offenders are mainly white. it says 90%, not a 100%. Or what the ethnicity of the victim was.

Anyway, that figure is something pushed around the media. Which I posted her comments for you to see how wrong you have been so far on this and you continuie to do so.

https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

So your edit, was quite simply idiotic to say the least, clearly trying to cover up from your silly "shout racist" outburst earlier.

Hence why its wrong to say Asian, as many Asian ethnicities are not involved in such grooming gangs

White includes many white ethnicities. Again white ethnic groups are behind sex attacks, where its mainly a singular attacker.

Can you follow this and why its also right to say many of these offenders are white, but this should be broken down ethnically, as we do with the fact many grooming gangs are Pakistani

Pakistani grooming gang target mainly white young girls

I see you have now backed tracked from a racism claim

What's funny?

For too long we have ignored the race of these abusers

In other words, she's saying we need to PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR RACE.

Do you agree?

You ffind it funny how the system did cover this up based on their ethicity?

The Police, social workers and the local councils? Even the media?

The blatant point you miss.

Due to their ethnicity, there was a fear to act. That they would be classed as racist.

Has this sunk in yet?

Or do you find that funny as well?

All I see above is you failing to grasp this.

So when se she says we ignored the race of the abusers, she means, how the system did. By covering up the crimes of the offenders

In other words, its because of people like you, that such girls went on being abused for decades, because they did not want to talk about the fact it was Pakistani's commiting these grooming crimes. Due to a fear they would be classed as racist.

And what did you do here in your first post?

Shout racism, the very issue that saw many of these crimes go unpunished for years, as many of the victims were ignored and pushed aside by the Police and social workers

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:12 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

Pakistani Muslim men target, groom, rape, and share amongst their Pakistani friends and relations white none Muslim girls.

That appears to be more of a racial argument, so let's drop the religious hate part. Simply being a Muslim isn't a crime.

The biggest impediment to these "hate" crime allegations is proof of racial animus--usually statements made at the scene or some evidence in the planning stage. At least that's the case in this country. If you can't show by independent evidence that the crime was motivated by racial hatred, the hate-crime doesn't lie.

I share your agony, as so often in this country these cop killings of black men, I simply know in my gut, are committed by hateful, KKK-inspired southern men, wearing a blue uniform. But time-after-time, the DOJ looks into the matter (federal law requires evidence of racial animus), and no one shouted racial epithets or anything like that.

So, we have to console ourselves with seeing the bad guys convicted of something, if not the real hatred we know is there. In our case, of police killing in the US, the cop usually gets a paid vacation (paid leave while investigation is pending) and that's all. Not bad, eh?
Of course it isnt a crime to be Muslim, it is a crime to rape and sexually abuse girls though.
You say drop the religious hate part.....unfortunately the men who are carrying out these acts are the ones who are driven by racial and religious hatred.
In the UK it is mainly Pakistani gangs, across Europe it's gangs from Morocco, Algeria, Iran, Syria marauding round in gangs sexually abusing local women, .....do you see a connection yet?

All of them? The vast majority of them? A sizable minority of them? 10 percent? 5? 2?

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:15 am

Basically, why must the vast peaceful majority pay for the sins of the small minority simply for not being white? Does that strike anyone as fair?

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:16 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Syl wrote:
Of course it isnt a crime to be Muslim, it is a crime to rape and sexually abuse girls though.
You say drop the religious hate part.....unfortunately the men who are carrying out these acts are the ones who are driven by racial and religious hatred.
In the UK it is mainly Pakistani gangs, across Europe it's gangs from Morocco, Algeria, Iran, Syria marauding round in gangs sexually abusing local women, .....do you see a connection yet?

All of them? The vast majority of them? A sizable minority of them? 10 percent? 5? 2?

Good question and its the issue, that this number is not known.

We are only just beginning to understand many crimes in the Uk went unchallenged in the UK for years

Some are only coming to court within the last couple of years.

So dont you think its problematic, that the same problem, is happenning up and down the country, in so many towns and cities, by their same ethnic group?

You think we should ignore the that, where there could very well be an issue, based around the culture, some of these men grow up in within rurual Pakistan?

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:18 am

Because that is what this woman is saying. If you can be lumped into the grooming gangs by race, religion or gender, her country views you as suspicious.

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:20 am

Didge wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Syl wrote:
Of course it isnt a crime to be Muslim, it is a crime to rape and sexually abuse girls though.
You say drop the religious hate part.....unfortunately the men who are carrying out these acts are the ones who are driven by racial and religious hatred.
In the UK it is mainly Pakistani gangs, across Europe it's gangs from Morocco, Algeria, Iran, Syria marauding round in gangs sexually abusing local women, .....do you see a connection yet?

All of them? The vast majority of them? A sizable minority of them? 10 percent? 5? 2?

Good question and its the issue, that this number is not known.

We are only just beginning to understand many crimes in the Uk went unchallenged in the UK for years

Some are only coming to court within the last couple of years.

So dont you think its problematic, that the same problem, is happenning up and down the country, in so many towns and cities, by their same ethnic group?

You think we should ignore the that, where there could very well be an issue, based around the culture, some of these men grow up in within rurual Pakistan?

Fucking apply the law and see what happens you FUCKING PUSSIES.

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:21 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Basically, why must the vast peaceful majority pay for the sins of the small minority simply for not being white? Does that strike anyone as fair?

Who said that?

Nobody has, but someone not lead by leftist bullshit, would also question a pattern that has occured within the country.

White girls were targeted

The gangs were vastly Pakistani men

Many loathed and classed the girls as white trash.

Does a ultra religious upbringing or lack of as a the case maybe play a part here.

Many come from rural Pakistan here, where there is certainly a different aspect on how men view women, based on religious views or lack of education as the case maybe

That does not mean the majority of Pakistani's are then sex offenders, but there is certainly a view, that many could find women inferior to men. based on culture and religious beliefs

All this you want to ignore and continue to place your head in the sand

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:23 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:

Good question and its the issue, that this number is not known.

We are only just beginning to understand many crimes in the Uk went unchallenged in the UK for years

Some are only coming to court within the last couple of years.

So dont you think its problematic, that the same problem, is happenning up and down the country, in so many towns and cities, by their same ethnic group?

You think we should ignore the that, where there could very well be an issue, based around the culture, some of these men grow up in within rurual Pakistan?

Fucking apply the law and see what happens you FUCKING PUSSIES.

Well that was the issue, as the law was not being applied by idiotic SJW's like yourself

Due to a view it was racist to believe many Pakistani men were sexually abusing young girls

Maybe you should tell the abused victims, your above views, as i am sure they would tell you to go fuck yourself

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:25 am

You people in the UK apparently have really misunderstood the concept of a multicultural meritocracy.

So once again, let your cousins across the pond lead the way.

Multicultural meritocracy means if you commit a crime, you are punished.

If you don't, you get to make your way.

If you do something great, chances are you'll be rewarded.

You don't pussyfoot around sexual predators based on race or religion.

You don't deny the seats of power based on race or religion.

Good guys win, bad guys lose. Regardless of race or religion.

For fuck's sake it feels like I'm dealing with children.

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:27 am

Didge wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:

Good question and its the issue, that this number is not known.

We are only just beginning to understand many crimes in the Uk went unchallenged in the UK for years

Some are only coming to court within the last couple of years.

So dont you think its problematic, that the same problem, is happenning up and down the country, in so many towns and cities, by their same ethnic group?

You think we should ignore the that, where there could very well be an issue, based around the culture, some of these men grow up in within rurual Pakistan?

Fucking apply the law and see what happens you FUCKING PUSSIES.

Well that was the issue, as the law was not being applied by idiotic SJW's like yourself

Due to a view it was racist to believe many Pakistani men were sexually abusing young girls

Maybe you should tell the abused victims, your above views, as i am sure they would tell you to go fuck yourself

You stupid little man. Don't you see that I'm as strongly in favor of punishing these predators as you are?

The only difference is that I can tell the difference between a good Pakistani person and a bad one. You, on the other hand, would fall victim to a modern-day Hitler, who cast the sins of a few upon an entire race. You would have been no friend to the Jews in the 1930s -- you would have been asking why nobody told the truth about their crimes!

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:28 am

That is, unless you're laboring beneath some illusion that Hitler had no "bad Jew stories" with which to prop up his rhetoric.

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:30 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:You people in the UK apparently have really misunderstood the concept of a multicultural meritocracy.

So once again, let your cousins across the pond lead the way.

Multicultural meritocracy means if you commit a crime, you are punished.

If you don't, you get to make your way.

If you do something great, chances are you'll be rewarded.

You don't pussyfoot around sexual predators based on race or religion.

You don't deny the seats of power based on race or religion.

Good guys win, bad guys lose. Regardless of race or religion.

For fuck's sake it feels like I'm dealing with children.

Well that is the reality here

You have acted like a child from the start

It needs to be pointed out that again many young girls came forward and because of PC. Many girls were ignored or not believed by the authorities. Where its also known, due to a ffear of being labelled racist.

This is the by-product of a PC world and is not only within this but other crimes

So nobody has denied the seats of power on religion and race, hence why a Muslim and Tory MP of Pakistani heritage, is seeting up an enquiry into the ethnicity of such crimes.

So your view is a crime has happened, lets not worry about the cause and reasons into why that did happen. Where ignoring a culture or religious aspect, is about as stupid as it gets.

Take honour killings and FGM. You are saying we should convict the criminal act and not look to the cause of such crimes?

Seriously?

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:35 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:

Well that was the issue, as the law was not being applied by idiotic SJW's like yourself

Due to a view it was racist to believe many Pakistani men were sexually abusing young girls

Maybe you should tell the abused victims, your above views, as i am sure they would tell you to go fuck yourself

You stupid little man. Don't you see that I'm as strongly in favor of punishing these predators as you are?

The only difference is that I can tell the difference between a good Pakistani person and a bad one. You, on the other hand, would fall victim to a modern-day Hitler, who cast the sins of a few upon an entire race. You would have been no friend to the Jews in the 1930s -- you would have been asking why nobody told the truth about their crimes!

Lol, I am taller and stockier than you, but if such words make such a man with small man syndrone feel big, knock yourself out sunshine lol

I do not deny you want to see them convicted

You though want to ignore possibel causes that led to such crimes in the first place

Then we have goodwins law invoked, bring up the Nazi;s, when you are losing a debate

Again, due you think for example FGM has a religious a cultural bases to the crime?

How about honour killings?

How about ISIS enslaving and abuses women and young girls, based on a view they believe its ordained by their religious doctrines?

So my view is based around culture and religion. In this case there is a problem where it seems the criminals come from a rural Pakistani background. That then education could be an issue, or that Pakistan is quite ultra conservative religiously and holds inequality views of women?

You think all of that should be ignored?

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:37 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:That is, unless you're laboring beneath some illusion that Hitler had no "bad Jew stories" with which to prop up his rhetoric.

Well considering Jews were not even committing the crimes cast by Hitler and co, makes your view idiotic to say the least

They were blamed for causing capitalism and Marxism

They were blamed for problems

What we have here is an ethnic group that is over represented in a type of sexual abuse

You dont even want to look into why that has been a problem.

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:44 am

Met police ignore Muslim officers’ ‘extremist views’ to avoid Islamophobia accusations, claims former sergeant

Javaria Saeed says Muslim officers were allowed to get away with comments which would get their white colleagues fired

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/islamophobia-uk-Muslim-officers-extremist-views-ignored-met-police-a7237786.html

Maybe you can explain this Ben?

That even other Muslims, from within such an ethnicity are coming forward about these problems?

by eddie Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:35 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:You people in the UK apparently have really misunderstood the concept of a multicultural meritocracy.

So once again, let your cousins across the pond lead the way.

Multicultural meritocracy means if you commit a crime, you are punished.

If you don't, you get to make your way.

If you do something great, chances are you'll be rewarded.

You don't pussyfoot around sexual predators based on race or religion.

You don't deny the seats of power based on race or religion.

Good guys win, bad guys lose. Regardless of race or religion.

For fuck's sake it feels like I'm dealing with children.

Perhaps you didn’t have a group of people targeting another group of people due to race and then have your police and social services cover it all up?

You seem fixated on th fact that we mustn’t target all Pakistanis with the same brush. We aren’t doing that, we aren’t stupid.

But these men were Pakistani Muslims and they raped white Girls.

As Syl said, it’s happening in a lot of other places too - go see for yourself.

Perhaps you should think less about what this woman said and whether it was really racist when what she said was actually true. And really, it hardly matters how she phrased something....because it’s PC bullshit like that, that allowed the dirty fucking bastards to get away with it in the first instance.

I’m really not sure what your point is anymore...so she said “Pakistani men” and should’ve said “SOME Pakistani men”?

So?

by nicko Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:44 am

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:03 am

Didge wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:You people in the UK apparently have really misunderstood the concept of a multicultural meritocracy.

So once again, let your cousins across the pond lead the way.

Multicultural meritocracy means if you commit a crime, you are punished.

If you don't, you get to make your way.

If you do something great, chances are you'll be rewarded.

You don't pussyfoot around sexual predators based on race or religion.

You don't deny the seats of power based on race or religion.

Good guys win, bad guys lose. Regardless of race or religion.

For fuck's sake it feels like I'm dealing with children.

Well that is the reality here

You have acted like a child from the start

It needs to be pointed out that again many young girls came forward and because of PC. Many girls were ignored or not believed by the authorities. Where its also known, due to a ffear of being labelled racist.

This is the by-product of a PC world and is not only within this but other crimes

So nobody has denied the seats of power on religion and race, hence why a Muslim and Tory MP of Pakistani heritage, is seeting up an enquiry into the ethnicity of such crimes.

So your view is a crime has happened, lets not worry about the cause and reasons into why that did happen. Where ignoring a culture or religious aspect, is about as stupid as it gets.

Take honour killings and FGM. You are saying we should convict the criminal act and not look to the cause of such crimes?

Seriously?

Yes, seriously. You don't impugn an entire group of people (British Pakistani men in this case) based on some vague "Oh, I read they do some backward shit over there" bullshit. You take allegations seriously from the beginning and investigate the allegations, not some pocket theory about what may have caused them. You take care of that part first.

If, during the course of prosecuting them for these crimes, you find there is something cultural that causes 0.000034 percent of the British Pakistani male population to become grooming gang members, then maybe you address it at the time. You know, if you've already done something for the other 90 percent of rape victims, since these girls definitely fall into the 10 percent who are raped by somebody they don't know.

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:08 am

People act like it's not about the numbers. That's ludicrous. You can't freak out when 17 out of 500,000 people of one particular race do something bad and not seem racist, because any intelligent person knows that you can find 17 horrible people among any 500,000 people of the same ethnic background.

by Syl Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:31 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Syl wrote:
Of course it isnt a crime to be Muslim, it is a crime to rape and sexually abuse girls though.
You say drop the religious hate part.....unfortunately the men who are carrying out these acts are the ones who are driven by racial and religious hatred.
In the UK it is mainly Pakistani gangs, across Europe it's gangs from Morocco, Algeria, Iran, Syria marauding round in gangs sexually abusing local women, .....do you see a connection yet?

All of them? The vast majority of them? A sizable minority of them? 10 percent? 5? 2?

I have no idea of the numbers, do you? Probably a small percentage of Muslims worldwide...a small % of Pakistanis, Moroccans, Syrians and so on....but the fact remains there is something in the mindset of this small percentage worldwide of Muslims that think it's OK to treat young white girls and women of a different faith like trash.

Pretending it has nothing to do with their religion, and the way they have been taught to disrespect women and look down on other faiths, will never come to terms with the problem.
Thats why so many of the Pakistani Muslim gang members in the UK are still free.

Incidentally, when the trial of a gang of groomers was taking place in a local town a few years ago, it was heartening to see (though it was a very small percent) Muslim leaders and some Muslim women speak out about the way these men had acted .....they had the courage, even in their own communities to tell it like it is.
Pity so many others are still doing the ostrich act.

by eddie Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:59 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:People act like it's not about the numbers. That's ludicrous. You can't freak out when 17 out of 500,000 people of one particular race do something bad and not seem racist, because any intelligent person knows that you can find 17 horrible people among any 500,000 people of the same ethnic background.

I repeat:

Perhaps you didn’t have a group of people targeting another group of people due to race and then have your police and social services cover it all up?

You seem fixated on th fact that we mustn’t target all Pakistanis with the same brush. We aren’t doing that, we aren’t stupid.

But these men were Pakistani Muslims and they raped white Girls.

As Syl said, it’s happening in a lot of other places too - go see for yourself.

Perhaps you should think less about what this woman said and whether it was really racist when what she said was actually true. And really, it hardly matters how she phrased something....because it’s PC bullshit like that, that allowed the dirty fucking bastards to get away with it in the first instance.

I’m really not sure what your point is anymore...so she said “Pakistani men” and should’ve said “SOME Pakistani men”?

So?

And, I certainly hope you remind Quill of the “numbers” when he says white policemen are racist.
Unless he says the word “some”...

by 'Wolfie Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:52 pm

Authorities, police, courts "covering up" serious crimes -- including rapes, sexual exploitation, "grooming", enforced slavery, even attempted genocide -- being carried out by "gangs" comprised mainly of certain ethnic backgrounds ???

Sounds quite similar to the abuses of Australian aborigines by certain groups of settlers, troopers, stockmen, police and later on gov't officials -- mainly from British and Irish backgrounds and heritage..

Often and openly supported by not only their English and Scottish bosses, local communities and the legal system, but also the British Amirallty, the aristocracy, and even some of the 'Royals'.

by nicko Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:18 pm

Right Bastards us British aren't we ?

by magica Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:46 pm

Syl wrote:If gangs of white Christian, British men roamed the villages, towns and cities of the UK seeking out young Pakistani girls to groom and rape I'm sure race would be mentioned in the press, the courts, and by the authorities.

Highlighting the race and religion of the perpetrators is not brandishing every Pakistani Muslim man the same.....but avoiding mentioning it is and has been a huge cover up for decades.

I agree. Why is it racist to say they're Pakistani men. If white, we would say so, not racist but true.

They got away with it so long as police to scared to act.

by Original Quill Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:09 pm

Syl wrote:If gangs of white Christian, British men roamed the villages, towns and cities of the UK seeking out young Pakistani girls to groom and rape I'm sure race would be mentioned in the press, the courts, and by the authorities.

Highlighting the race and religion of the perpetrators is not brandishing every Pakistani Muslim man the same.....but avoiding mentioning it is and has been a huge cover up for decades.

I agree, too. We have gangs of cops, particularly in the south, roaming the streets, looking for young black men to kill. I feel exactly the way you feel as to gangs of Pakistani men, only you're just talking about rape. Our cops are bent on genocide.

And trust me...very little of it is mentioned by the press...and the authorities and courts are high-fiveing each other for having let it slip through.

by eddie Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:36 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Authorities, police, courts "covering up" serious crimes -- including rapes, sexual exploitation, "grooming", enforced slavery, even attempted genocide -- being carried out by "gangs" comprised mainly of certain ethnic backgrounds ???

Sounds quite similar to the abuses of Australian aborigines by certain groups of settlers, troopers, stockmen, police and later on gov't officials -- mainly from British and Irish backgrounds and heritage..

Often and openly supported by not only their English and Scottish bosses, local communities and the legal system, but also the British Amirallty, the aristocracy, and even some of the 'Royals'.

That’s terrible! Have you got time to make a thread about it and list the stories?

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:42 pm

eddie wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Authorities, police, courts "covering up" serious crimes -- including rapes, sexual exploitation, "grooming", enforced slavery, even attempted genocide -- being carried out by "gangs" comprised mainly of certain ethnic backgrounds ???

Sounds quite similar to the abuses of Australian aborigines by certain groups of settlers, troopers, stockmen, police and later on gov't officials -- mainly from British and Irish backgrounds and heritage..

Often and openly supported by not only their English and Scottish bosses, local communities and the legal system, but also the British Amirallty, the aristocracy, and even some of the 'Royals'.

That’s terrible! Have you got time to make a thread about it and list the stories?

hi edds

tip of the iceberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTklfGY3fmk

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:28 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:

Well that is the reality here

You have acted like a child from the start

It needs to be pointed out that again many young girls came forward and because of PC. Many girls were ignored or not believed by the authorities. Where its also known, due to a ffear of being labelled racist.

This is the by-product of a PC world and is not only within this but other crimes

So nobody has denied the seats of power on religion and race, hence why a Muslim and Tory MP of Pakistani heritage, is seeting up an enquiry into the ethnicity of such crimes.

So your view is a crime has happened, lets not worry about the cause and reasons into why that did happen. Where ignoring a culture or religious aspect, is about as stupid as it gets.

Take honour killings and FGM. You are saying we should convict the criminal act and not look to the cause of such crimes?

Seriously?

Yes, seriously. You don't impugn an entire group of people (British Pakistani men in this case) based on some vague "Oh, I read they do some backward shit over there" bullshit. You take allegations seriously from the beginning and investigate the allegations, not some pocket theory about what may have caused them. You take care of that part first.
Didge wrote:Never even did, clearly as you did not even read my reply. So we know many follow a very hardline Islamic belief. Not all as there is reformers, Christians and Hindus. Though the later are constantly persecuted. You see you are not interested whether there is a cause and effect to the belief systems itself. We only have to see evidence of this in history and only recently with ISIS. Now are you going to deny there is a religious belief to sexual enslave women and girls?

How about your understanding of Rape in Pakistan?

What to look at this and whether there is again a culture there, that has been imported to the Uk? By again a set amount from rurual areas?

How about marital rape?

Do you want me to continue, how there is most deffinately a poor and poor belief system here. That views women as inferior and believes they can basically do as they please. Now of course the majority of the population do not, but clearly a set number certainly do and that then is a big problem

If, during the course of prosecuting them for these crimes, you find there is something cultural that causes 0.000034 percent of the British Pakistani male population to become grooming gang members, then maybe you address it at the time. You know, if you've already done something for the other 90 percent of rape victims, since these girls definitely fall into the 10 percent who are raped by somebody they don't know.

Wrong maths again and still failing to understand the differences in types of child sex abuse

I think I am presenting a mass of evidence that you do not even want to consider and this is the issue here. That you do not want to even consider possibilities, you simple want to dismiss them. Ignoring the many problems within Pakistan itself and based around cultures and a very ultra conservative Islamic belief system

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:31 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:People act like it's not about the numbers. That's ludicrous. You can't freak out when 17 out of 500,000 people of one particular race do something bad and not seem racist, because any intelligent person knows that you can find 17 horrible people among any 500,000 people of the same ethnic background.

Well people can see a group, during today that has many people drawn to it. Where they think its righteous if they and their children die a Martyrs death. That its righteous to abuse and enslave non-Muslim women. That thinks its righteous to stone women to death. They are called ISIS. They share many of the same religious beliefs, as a mass of people from Pakistan

Don't you think such a ultra belief system is a big problem?

Or do you want me to educate you on the extremes of religion over the last 2,000 years.

Off course normally the left fall over themselves to say. "What about the crusades"

To where I reply, "thank you for proving my point. As its the belieff system that is then the problem"

by Guest Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:47 pm

'White girls are filthy': Wives of Asian men jailed for raping vulnerable British girls reveal why they blame the victims.

Top Muslim writer persuaded the families of jailed rapists to share their stories

But behind their veils, the wives say they blamed the girls and their parents too

One woman described victims as 'filthy' and said they dressed without respect

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4936754/Wives-men-jailed-rape-blame-victims-too.html

Maybe you can explain this to me?

If you believe its not a cultural/religious problem. Where even some of the wivies, cast the victims as to blame?

Seriously?

Or are you going to continue to do this?

Terror police boost MP's security after she is accused of racism by activists for condemning the grooming of girls by Asian sex gangs - Page 2 Article-2525602-1A2B2A3600000578-553_634x408

Terror police boost MP's security after she is accused of racism by activists for condemning the grooming of girls by Asian sex gangs - Page 2 Article-2525602-1A2B2A3600000578-553_634x408

by Tommy Monk Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:00 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:You people in the UK apparently have really misunderstood the concept of a multicultural meritocracy.

So once again, let your cousins across the pond lead the way.

Multicultural meritocracy means if you commit a crime, you are punished.

If you don't, you get to make your way.

If you do something great, chances are you'll be rewarded.

You don't pussyfoot around sexual predators based on race or religion.

You don't deny the seats of power based on race or religion.

Good guys win, bad guys lose. Regardless of race or religion.

For fuck's sake it feels like I'm dealing with children.

It is only PC dipshit lefties who don't understand the above!!!

And who were in the authorities responsible for covering it up!!!

It's the rest of us in UK, the overwhelming vast majority, who want the above!!!

But are not getting it in a multitude of ways here!!!

The wide spread hypocrisy and double standards here are beyond belief...!!!

by Ben Reilly Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:13 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

That needs a little explaining. How?

Pakistani Muslim men target, groom, rape, and share amongst their Pakistani friends and relations white none Muslim girls.

That appears to be more of a racial argument, so let's drop the religious hate part. Simply being a Muslim isn't a crime.

The biggest impediment to these "hate" crime allegations is proof of racial animus--usually statements made at the scene or some evidence in the planning stage. At least that's the case in this country. If you can't show by independent evidence that the crime was motivated by racial hatred, the hate-crime doesn't lie.

I share your agony, as so often in this country these cop killings of black men, I simply know in my gut, are committed by hateful, KKK-inspired southern men, wearing a blue uniform.

Hmmm ... turn that around, say "I know that these rapes of white girls are committed by hateful, ISIS-inspired Pakistani men" and that would sound really horrible, wouldn't it?

Why is it horrible one way and not the other?

by eddie Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:25 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

That needs a little explaining. How?

Pakistani Muslim men target, groom, rape, and share amongst their Pakistani friends and relations white none Muslim girls.

That appears to be more of a racial argument, so let's drop the religious hate part. Simply being a Muslim isn't a crime.

The biggest impediment to these "hate" crime allegations is proof of racial animus--usually statements made at the scene or some evidence in the planning stage. At least that's the case in this country. If you can't show by independent evidence that the crime was motivated by racial hatred, the hate-crime doesn't lie.

I share your agony, as so often in this country these cop killings of black men, I simply know in my gut, are committed by hateful, KKK-inspired southern men, wearing a blue uniform.

Hmmm ... turn that around, say "I know that these rapes of white girls are committed by hateful, ISIS-inspired Pakistani men" and that would sound really horrible, wouldn't it?

Why is it horrible one way and not the other?

Well there you go. I agree with you, the MP’s article was lazily written and she should have said “some Pakistani men”.

And quill should always say “some white police officers”.

I’ve made this point so many times.

by Tommy Monk Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:43 pm

I was called a “white slag” and “white c***” as they beat me.

“All white girls are good for is sex,” another told his victim, “and they are just slags

a survivor of these rape gangs has confirmed she was
persecuted for being 'a white slag' because she was non-Muslim.

they consider white girls worthless and slags

All quotes from MSM...!

by eddie Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:24 am

Tommy Monk wrote:I was called a “white slag” and “white c***” as they beat me.

“All white girls are good for is sex,” another told his victim, “and they are just slags

a survivor of these rape gangs has confirmed she was
persecuted for being 'a white slag' because she was non-Muslim.

they consider white girls worthless and slags

All quotes from MSM...!

“They” meaning those men. Not all men.
“They” meaning those Pakistani men. Not all Pakistani men.

And yes, those particular Pakistani men treated those girls terribly.

by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:25 am

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I was called a “white slag” and “white c***” as they beat me.

“All white girls are good for is sex,” another told his victim, “and they are just slags

a survivor of these rape gangs has confirmed she was
persecuted for being 'a white slag' because she was non-Muslim.

they consider white girls worthless and slags

All quotes from MSM...!

“They” meaning those men. Not all men.
“They” meaning those Pakistani men. Not all Pakistani men.

And yes, those particular Pakistani men treated those girls terribly.

Yes they did. And let me also point out that the hated MSM did tell the victims' story.

by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:05 am

Didge wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:

What is funny here for you?

Nobody denied anything here and it was me that pointed this out to you and even within the post I posted the article with

Nobody claimed its a leser crime when a white person rapes a girl. That is your warped mentality here, when such crimes are talked about. as it was even within this article.

Its odd though, that here in this article knowing this. You are not in this instance shouting its racism or sexist to say white men.

Busted.

You do understand the catogories here do you not and the types of crime?

I openly stated that many child sex abusers are white males. It normally happens within families as stated. Then we have grooming gangs, which are vastly over represented by one single ethnicity.

Pakistani's

Its also even worse to claim, " but not by Pakistanis" to the category where the offenders are lone offenders are mainly white. it says 90%, not a 100%. Or what the ethnicity of the victim was.

Anyway, that figure is something pushed around the media. Which I posted her comments for you to see how wrong you have been so far on this and you continuie to do so.

https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

So your edit, was quite simply idiotic to say the least, clearly trying to cover up from your silly "shout racist" outburst earlier.

Hence why its wrong to say Asian, as many Asian ethnicities are not involved in such grooming gangs

White includes many white ethnicities. Again white ethnic groups are behind sex attacks, where its mainly a singular attacker.

Can you follow this and why its also right to say many of these offenders are white, but this should be broken down ethnically, as we do with the fact many grooming gangs are Pakistani

Pakistani grooming gang target mainly white young girls

I see you have now backed tracked from a racism claim

What's funny?

For too long we have ignored the race of these abusers

In other words, she's saying we need to PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR RACE.

Do you agree?

You ffind it funny how the system did cover this up based on their ethicity?

The Police, social workers and the local councils? Even the media?

The blatant point you miss.

Due to their ethnicity, there was a fear to act. That they would be classed as racist.

Has this sunk in yet?

Or do you find that funny as well?

All I see above is you failing to grasp this.

So when se she says we ignored the race of the abusers, she means, how the system did. By covering up the crimes of the offenders

In other words, its because of people like you, that such girls went on being abused for decades, because they did not want to talk about the fact it was Pakistani's commiting these grooming crimes. Due to a fear they would be classed as racist.

And what did you do here in your first post?

Shout racism, the very issue that saw many of these crimes go unpunished for years, as many of the victims were ignored and pushed aside by the Police and social workers

People with spines don't care what criminals or those who support criminals call them. You call it political correctness but you've mislabeled the problem.

Political correctness helps support the kind of society most people want to live in - a multicultural meritocracy. Where it doesn't matter what your skin color is, you rise on your talents and work and you fall on your misdeeds.

A successful multicultural meritocracy punishes people for crimes regardless of their race or religion just as it allows opportunities for people regardless of their race or religion.

Failing to stop girls from being raped out of fear of being labeled a racist isn't political correctness; it's cowardice.

by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:23 am

One last thing. I'm a little girl's step-dad now. You know who I would blame if something like this happened to her?

Myself.

by Guest Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:33 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:

You ffind it funny how the system did cover this up based on their ethicity?

The Police, social workers and the local councils? Even the media?

The blatant point you miss.

Due to their ethnicity, there was a fear to act. That they would be classed as racist.

Has this sunk in yet?

Or do you find that funny as well?

All I see above is you failing to grasp this.

So when se she says we ignored the race of the abusers, she means, how the system did. By covering up the crimes of the offenders

In other words, its because of people like you, that such girls went on being abused for decades, because they did not want to talk about the fact it was Pakistani's commiting these grooming crimes. Due to a fear they would be classed as racist.

And what did you do here in your first post?

Shout racism, the very issue that saw many of these crimes go unpunished for years, as many of the victims were ignored and pushed aside by the Police and social workers

People with spines don't care what criminals or those who support criminals call them. You call it political correctness but you've mislabeled the problem.

Political correctness helps support the kind of society most people want to live in - a multicultural meritocracy. Where it doesn't matter what your skin color is, you rise on your talents and work and you fall on your misdeeds.

A successful multicultural meritocracy punishes people for crimes regardless of their race or religion just as it allows opportunities for people regardless of their race or religion.

Failing to stop girls from being raped out of fear of being labeled a racist isn't political correctness; it's cowardice.

Supports who exactly?

The victims of these grooming gangs?

The white victims were not believed.

The view was to believe the Pakistani attackers.

This is and always has been the problem of the left. Where there is an intention to do something good, is never thought through properly. Its a progressive ideal, that in the end causes far to much harm than any real good.

This is a perfect example of why PC is completely wrong. As it has driven a fear of racism within people of doing the right thing. Arresting and prosecuting countless people.

PC was always the problem here and even worse you cannot even recognise why, many of these criminals were able to continue for years.

It is cowardice to fail to act, but you fail to see it has been PC that has led to people to even think they would be labbelled racist.

You see a classic example of you not understanding cause and effect

You fail to expand to look at the root cause.

PC more than anything in the last decade has driven more people to the right, than anything else

by nicko Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:10 am

Didge, your last sentence is 100% correct !

by Guest Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:18 am

nicko wrote:Didge, your last sentence is 100% correct !

Thanks mate

by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:44 am

Didge wrote:PC more than anything in the last decade has driven more people to the right, than anything else

A willful and motivated misunderstanding of PC more than anything in the last decade has drive more people to the right, than anything else

There, I fixed it for you.

by nicko Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:43 pm

Drive ?

by Original Quill Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:15 pm

Didge wrote:This is and always has been the problem of the left. Where there is an intention to do something good, is never thought through properly. Its a progressive ideal, that in the end causes far to much harm than any real good.

And you think the RW ethos of ripping of the public is an improvement?? The RW doesn't give a shit about the welfare of the general public. When the RW attacks regulations, they are attacking public protections. You think public protections are "never thought through properly".

So, according to you, it's better to do nothing and society to go into a deep slumber. Quit your job, light up a fag, open a beer and sit on the stoop and get drunk with your bros. You call that anti-progressive ideals; I call it uncivilized.

Didge wrote:This is a perfect example of why PC is completely wrong. As it has driven a fear of racism within people of doing the right thing. Arresting and prosecuting countless people.

PC was always the problem here and even worse you cannot even recognise why, many of these criminals were able to continue for years.

It's an inconvenient fact that the laws that create those arrests you champion, and define those criminals you despise, are PC. Yes, all of modern society is made up of political correctness. All laws are "politically correct" else they would not have been passed. The issue is whether or not they are structured properly.

What the RW does is cherry-pick the norms and laws they don't like, and label them 'PC', conveniently ignoring the fact that they are no different from the norms and laws upon which they trust and rely. Water and air pollution are PC causes, but laws against property crimes are always necessary … never realizing both are political correctness.

In a sense, this dovetails nicely with anarchy of the RW ... or, as they like to call it, libertarianism. RW'ers like the hands-off when it comes to their ripping off the public, imposing their own PC only to (as my signature says) hire cops to protect them from the slave revolt.

by Guest Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:48 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Didge wrote:This is and always has been the problem of the left. Where there is an intention to do something good, is never thought through properly. Its a progressive ideal, that in the end causes far to much harm than any real good.

And you think the RW ethos of ripping of the public is an improvement?? The RW doesn't give a shit about the welfare of the general public. When the RW attacks regulations, they are attacking public protections. You think public protections are "never thought through properly".

So, according to you, it's better to do nothing and society to go into a deep slumber. Quit your job, light up a fag, open a beer and sit on the stoop and get drunk with your bros. You call that anti-progressive ideals; I call it uncivilized.

Didge wrote:Deflection alert and I am more a Liberal on social views than anything else
My economic views are conservative.
So the above had no bases for what was being discussed here on poor beliefs religiously or culturally
You are the first to assign Americans as all racist and i do not see Ben utter a squeak on this
You do so on the Police and again not based on any real evidence but emotions
I have evidence which you and Ben do not even want to research or contemplate

It's an inconvenient fact that the laws that create those arrests you champion, and define those criminals you despise, are PC. Yes, all of modern society is made up of political correctness. All laws are "politically correct" else they would not have been passed. The issue is whether or not they are structured properly.

So nothing on my actual points

Boring

by Guest Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:53 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:PC more than anything in the last decade has driven more people to the right, than anything else

A willful and motivated misunderstanding of PC more than anything in the last decade has drive more people to the right, than anything else

There, I fixed it for you.

Incorrect

Its the lefft that has driven an agenda to enforce a view on people that is Totalitarian and against actual liberal values

Would you like an example?

How about the law in Canada in regards to compelled speech on made up terms for Genders?

That is not progressive, but Totalitarian

I mean even Eilzel agrees with me on how this is wrong

Where each of us may clash, he will not be afraid to say its wrong and you do defend such PC

Its like saying that people have to recoginise that someone thinks they are Elvis and if they do not, they will criminalized

People have no issue recognizing someone as Trans or if they asked to be reffered a certain way on gender. This is criminalizing people, if they do not. All in the name of PC

You never fixed anything like that but proved you are in fact the problem people turn right.

Being you fail to see the actual problems of something born to do good. To then being abused by the left and that is the problem here.

When will you recognise how far and wrong the left can go?

You do with the right and yet here, cannot see it happens on the left.

by Tommy Monk Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:01 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:One last thing. I'm a little girl's step-dad now. You know who I would blame if something like this happened to her?

Myself.

Really...?

How would you feel if you were one of the fathers here...

"...Two fathers whose daughters were victims of child sex exploitation tracked down their abusers – only to be arrested by police themselves.

The dads had attempted to remove their daughters from houses where abuse was taking place, but they were the ones who were then arrested by police.

Prof Jay’s inquiry said police often treated victims with ‘contempt’, frequently arresting them while taking no action against those committing offences.

Her report said: “In two of the cases, fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves when police were called to the scene..."

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/rotherham-dads-were-arrested-after-tracking-down-abusers-1-6807187

by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:31 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:One last thing. I'm a little girl's step-dad now. You know who I would blame if something like this happened to her?

Myself.

Really...?

How would you feel if you were one of the fathers here...

"...Two fathers whose daughters were victims of child sex exploitation tracked down their abusers – only to be arrested by police themselves.

The dads had attempted to remove their daughters from houses where abuse was taking place, but they were the ones who were then arrested by police.

Prof Jay’s inquiry said police often treated victims with ‘contempt’, frequently arresting them while taking no action against those committing offences.

Her report said: “In two of the cases, fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves when police were called to the scene..."

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/rotherham-dads-were-arrested-after-tracking-down-abusers-1-6807187

How did the fathers not know where their 13-year-old daughters were going?

It's their fault, partially.

Who in the FUCK has a 13-year-old and doesn't know (for sure) where they are at all times?

by eddie Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:44 pm

Well firstly, it isn’t the parents’ fault the girls got raped - let’s make that clear - but at thirteen those girls were out all night and came from broken homes.

Easy targets for disgusting perverts.

by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:45 pm

eddie wrote:Well firstly, it isn’t the parents’ fault the girls got raped - let’s make that clear - but at thirteen those girls were out all night and came from broken homes.

Easy targets for disgusting perverts.

Who broke the home?