Terror police boost MP's security after she is accused of racism by activists for condemning the grooming of girls by Asian sex gangs

by Guest Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:15 am

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An MP has been given heightened security measures after receiving death threats for condemning the grooming of girls by Asian sex gangs. it was reported. Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, was accused by activists of ‘industrial-scale racism’ for highlighting the ‘common ethnic heritage’ of those involved in the town’s sexual abuse scandal.

The former shadow minister for Women and Equalities hit the headlines when she spoke out after 17 men from Asian backgrounds were convicted of or admitted offences in a series of trials related to child sexual exploitation.

She warned people were failing to tell the truth about child abuse because they were afraid of being called racist.

She also said it was ‘predominantly Pakistani men’ involved in such cases ‘time and time again’.

Miss Champion followed up her comments with a column in the Sun, headlined: ‘British Pakistani men ARE raping and exploiting white girls - it’s time we faced up to it.’

She added: ‘Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls. There. I said it.’ The furore forced Miss Champion to resign from the shadow cabinet and since then she has received dozens of death threats.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5988825/Terror-police-boost-MPs-security-accused-racism-condemning-Asian-sex-gangs.html

by eddie Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:46 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:Well firstly, it isn’t the parents’ fault the girls got raped - let’s make that clear - but at thirteen those girls were out all night and came from broken homes.

Easy targets for disgusting perverts.

Who broke the home?

The parents, from what I’ve read and the documentaries I watched.

by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:47 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:Well firstly, it isn’t the parents’ fault the girls got raped - let’s make that clear - but at thirteen those girls were out all night and came from broken homes.

Easy targets for disgusting perverts.

Who broke the home?

The parents, from what I’ve read and the documentaries I watched.

So ... the parents didn't provide a safe home and they didn't know where their girls were going. They're partly to blame and if I were them, I couldn't live with myself.

by eddie Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:48 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:Well firstly, it isn’t the parents’ fault the girls got raped - let’s make that clear - but at thirteen those girls were out all night and came from broken homes.

Easy targets for disgusting perverts.

Who broke the home?

The parents, from what I’ve read and the documentaries I watched.

So ... the parents didn't provide a safe home and they didn't know where their girls were going. They're partly to blame and if I were them, I couldn't live with myself.

I can’t disagree with you there.

by Tommy Monk Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:46 pm

Bullshit!!!

Some of the 10's of thousands of victims were in the care system and therefore already vulnerable, and totally let down by that system that clearly didn't protect them enough... especially as large numbers of the care staff actually knew what was going on having seen the victims getting bundled into cars by pakistani men and driven off etc, and had been told by the victims what was going on... but still did nothing...!

But vast majority of victims came from normal family households!!!

And were being accosted outside their schools and on their way home etc, and at various other times in early evenings and weekends where they will have had plenty of legitimate reasons to be outside of their homes... going to the shops, meeting friends etc...

Then once accosted, many were abused for hours or even days, only to then be released and return home... as traumatised victims, not talking to anyone about it, and scared shitless from the threats they had had that the abusers would kill them and/or kill their parents and siblings etc if they said anything... and so it continued...

Even those who did speak out and who sought help from the police/authorities were treated appallingly... at best they were ignored and turned away, at worst they themselves were vilified, treated as troublemakers and as being the problems, instead of being treated as the traumatised & desperate children they really were, as the victims of long sustained periods of horrific and brutal multiple mass rape & abuse attacks by vast numbers of pakistani men... these children and their parents were threatened with being arrested themselves... and no action taken against the vile perpetrators!!!

How would you feel if it was you and your child that this was happening to...!?

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:15 am

Didge wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:

A willful and motivated misunderstanding of PC more than anything in the last decade has drive more people to the right, than anything else

There, I fixed it for you.

Incorrect

Its the lefft that has driven an agenda to enforce a view on people that is Totalitarian and against actual liberal values

Would you like an example?

How about the law in Canada in regards to compelled speech on made up terms for Genders?

That is not progressive, but Totalitarian

I mean even Eilzel agrees with me on how this is wrong

Where each of us may clash, he will not be afraid to say its wrong and you do defend such PC

Its like saying that people have to recoginise that someone thinks they are Elvis and if they do not, they will criminalized

People have no issue recognizing someone as Trans or if they asked to be reffered a certain way on gender. This is criminalizing people, if they do not. All in the name of PC

You never fixed anything like that but proved you are in fact the problem people turn right.

Being you fail to see the actual problems of something born to do good. To then being abused by the left and that is the problem here.

When will you recognise how far and wrong the left can go?

You do with the right and yet here, cannot see it happens on the left.

You can avoid all you like Ben, but points still stand

Being you fail to see the actual problems of something born to do good. To then being abused by the left and that is the problem here.

When will you recognise how far and wrong the left can go?

You do with the right and yet here, cannot see it happens on the left.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:40 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:

The parents, from what I’ve read and the documentaries I watched.

So ... the parents didn't provide a safe home and they didn't know where their girls were going. They're partly to blame and if I were them, I couldn't live with myself.

So how to castgate the parents as the people that enabled these child sex offenders to this?

That is about as idiotic to claim a woman is partly to blame, for being raped over what she wears

It is so idiotic, its basically excusing the rape of these girls as being down to parents failing children ending up in care

You seriously deserve a slap in the face for that

How fucking dare you place the blame here partly onto anyone others than those who committed this crime

You really are a dinosaur

How do you erxplain this to the girls that were not in care. That the parents let them down, being as they had no idea, their child was being grooomed and sexuality exploited?

Lets see if you have an ounce of decency

Because your view, is that now when many Blacks are shot in American by blacks, that the parents must share some responsibility of the blame

Why not stop there. Terrorism is partly due to parents, not ensuring they predicted the future. Knowing their children would be blown to bits within a concert.

Twat

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:30 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:

The parents, from what I’ve read and the documentaries I watched.

So ... the parents didn't provide a safe home and they didn't know where their girls were going. They're partly to blame and if I were them, I couldn't live with myself.

what a disgraceful fucking thing to say

by Raggamuffin Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:39 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:One last thing. I'm a little girl's step-dad now. You know who I would blame if something like this happened to her?

Myself.

For a start, she's a lot younger than the girls who were abused, so she's not likely to go anywhere dodgy by herself or be out late at night. Also, why would you blame yourself? You're not even in this country.

by Raggamuffin Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:01 pm

By the way, did this abuse always happen late at night? It's quite normal for 13-year old girls to be out on their own during the day.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:By the way, did this abuse always happen late at night? It's quite normal for 13-year old girls to be out on their own during the day.

don't expect ben to actually research anything. He's far too busy virtue signalling, blaming the parents and insisting it's not ALL pakistani men (like we all needed to be told that)

by Ben Reilly Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:38 pm

Didge wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:

The parents, from what I’ve read and the documentaries I watched.

So ... the parents didn't provide a safe home and they didn't know where their girls were going. They're partly to blame and if I were them, I couldn't live with myself.

So how to castgate the parents as the people that enabled these child sex offenders to this?

That is about as idiotic to claim a woman is partly to blame, for being raped over what she wears

It is so idiotic, its basically excusing the rape of these girls as being down to parents failing children ending up in care

You seriously deserve a slap in the face for that

How fucking dare you place the blame here partly onto anyone others than those who committed this crime

You really are a dinosaur

How do you erxplain this to the girls that were not in care. That the parents let them down, being as they had no idea, their child was being grooomed and sexuality exploited?

Lets see if you have an ounce of decency

Because your view, is that now when many Blacks are shot in American by blacks, that the parents must share some responsibility of the blame

Why not stop there. Terrorism is partly due to parents, not ensuring they predicted the future. Knowing their children would be blown to bits within a concert.

Twat

Obviously not knowing that your child would die in a school shooting, or while playing in your front yard, is a shit-ton different from not knowing where your child IS. You fucking idiot.

by Raggamuffin Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:48 pm

gelico wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:By the way, did this abuse always happen late at night? It's quite normal for 13-year old girls to be out on their own during the day.

don't expect ben to actually research anything. He's far too busy virtue signalling, blaming the parents and insisting it's not ALL pakistani men (like we all needed to be told that)

Some were older too weren't they? I went out at night when I was 15 with my mates.

by Raggamuffin Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:49 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:

So how to castgate the parents as the people that enabled these child sex offenders to this?

That is about as idiotic to claim a woman is partly to blame, for being raped over what she wears

It is so idiotic, its basically excusing the rape of these girls as being down to parents failing children ending up in care

You seriously deserve a slap in the face for that

How fucking dare you place the blame here partly onto anyone others than those who committed this crime

You really are a dinosaur

How do you erxplain this to the girls that were not in care. That the parents let them down, being as they had no idea, their child was being grooomed and sexuality exploited?

Lets see if you have an ounce of decency

Because your view, is that now when many Blacks are shot in American by blacks, that the parents must share some responsibility of the blame

Why not stop there. Terrorism is partly due to parents, not ensuring they predicted the future. Knowing their children would be blown to bits within a concert.

Twat

Obviously not knowing that your child would die in a school shooting, or while playing in your front yard, is a shit-ton different from not knowing where your child IS. You fucking idiot.

Do you then blame Denise Fergus for not knowing where Jamie was for a few minutes? Do you think it was her fault he was killed?

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:49 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:

So how to castgate the parents as the people that enabled these child sex offenders to this?

That is about as idiotic to claim a woman is partly to blame, for being raped over what she wears

It is so idiotic, its basically excusing the rape of these girls as being down to parents failing children ending up in care

You seriously deserve a slap in the face for that

How fucking dare you place the blame here partly onto anyone others than those who committed this crime

You really are a dinosaur

How do you erxplain this to the girls that were not in care. That the parents let them down, being as they had no idea, their child was being grooomed and sexuality exploited?

Lets see if you have an ounce of decency

Because your view, is that now when many Blacks are shot in American by blacks, that the parents must share some responsibility of the blame

Why not stop there. Terrorism is partly due to parents, not ensuring they predicted the future. Knowing their children would be blown to bits within a concert.

Twat

Obviously not knowing that your child would die in a school shooting, or while playing in your front yard, is a shit-ton different from not knowing where your child IS. You fucking idiot.

Is it?

Because you say so?

You have not got a clue on these cases and keep making idiotic statements and even now not admit it was a fucking appalling comment

That makes you an even bigger twat

by Raggamuffin Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:52 pm

Without knowing the circumstances of each girl (or boy) you can't really say the parents were to blame. In any case, the people to blame were the ones who abused them.

Some of the girls went along with it of course, but the men were adults and they looked for these girls - it was premeditated.

They also generally looked for white girls, which makes it a racial issue. Some of their wives have said very unpleasant and inciteful things about the girls - racist comments, so they should be banged up as well IMO.

by Vintage Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:58 pm

Their wives of the criminal gangs and the wives of others in this community are conditioned from birth to think of themselves in a certain way and act in a certain way and to be completely subordinate to husbands, brothers and sons and also mother in laws. It can be compared to the brainwashing that goes on in cults, just look how difficult it is to bring people out of that mindset and sometimes its ipossible impossible.
The young girls have a troubled life and can be very rebellious and think no one cares or that they are grown up and know better, it doesn't always mean parents don't care where they are or about them even as the best of parents they can't prevent them going out, if they are determined, they can't physically restrain them or lock them in and neither can the care services, even for their own good.

by eddie Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:45 pm

I watched the documentary about it. Most if not all, the girls came from homes that were dysfunctional.
Their parents didn’t know where they were and the girls were coerced and given money and booze etc, by the predators.

The blame lies a little with the parents because they had no clue where their kids were but it definitely lies fully, with the disgusting perverted shits that groomed and raped them.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:48 pm

eddie wrote:I watched the documentary about it. Most if not all, the girls came from homes that were dysfunctional.
Their parents didn’t know where they were and the girls were coerced and given money and booze etc, by the predators.

The blame lies a little with the parents because they had no clue where their kids were but it definitely lies fully, with the disgusting perverted shits that groomed and raped them.

Ridiculous and like Rags says you might as well then blame any parent who's child has been murdered, as they did not know whey they are.

Most of them were already within care. They were then groomed and sexually abused

Nobody else is to blame, than the disgusting criminals that did this

To say otherwise is disgusting

by eddie Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:02 pm

Okay nobody is REMOVING the blame from the men who did this.

But those girls found themselves in that situation BECAUSE of their background and loveless pasts.

I know you understand that this is relevant to WHY they were targeted. A shit start to life often ends up in horrible situations like this, where the system fails them from the start of their miserable childhood.

I repeat: this does not mean I am removing the blame from the perpetrators.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:05 pm

eddie wrote:Okay nobody is REMOVING the blame from the men who did this.

But those girls found themselves in that situation BECAUSE of their background and loveless pasts.

I know you understand that this is relevant to WHY they were targeted. A shit start to life often ends up in horrible situations like this, where the system fails them from the start of their miserable childhood.

I repeat: this does not mean I am removing the blame from the perpetrators.

You and Ben are adding blame to others

The rest shows a real lack of understanding

Yes they were of low self esteem, whether in care or not

These groomers, exploited this, to the point to then sexually abuse them

So its not just those with a shit start to life. Its those who felt unloved with low self esteem and you are neglecting the fact again it was the criminals that exploited this.

The only other blame here is on the Police, the social services and councils that knew what was going on and did nothing.

by eddie Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:07 pm

Yes didge I know. We all know that.
But I’m just pointing out that their low self esteem amongst other things happened because of their poor start in life, which begins at birth, with their parents.

by eddie Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:09 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:Okay nobody is REMOVING the blame from the men who did this.

But those girls found themselves in that situation BECAUSE of their background and loveless pasts.

I know you understand that this is relevant to WHY they were targeted. A shit start to life often ends up in horrible situations like this, where the system fails them from the start of their miserable childhood.

I repeat: this does not mean I am removing the blame from the perpetrators.

You and Ben are adding blame to others

The rest shows a real lack of understanding

Yes they were of low self esteem, whether in care or not

These groomers, exploited this, to the point to then sexually abuse them

So its not just those with a shit start to life. Its those who felt unloved with low self esteem and you are neglecting the fact again it was the criminals that exploited this.

I think you’ll find I didn’t neglect the fact, at all:

eddie said: But those girls found themselves in that situation BECAUSE of their background and loveless pasts.

I know you understand that this is relevant to WHY they were targeted

The only other blame here is on the Police, the social services and councils that knew what was going on and did nothing.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:10 pm

eddie wrote:Yes didge I know. We all know that.
But I’m just pointing out that their low self esteem amongst other things happened because of their poor start in life, which begins at birth, with their parents.

Really?

So only girls in unloved homes have low self esteem do they?

Which is again irrelevant when we are talking about girls here, not sexually or mentally mature enough to understand they were being exploited.

Seriously you and Ben, need to take a long look at what you are saying here. That if girls felt love, that then they would never be exploited. That is simple nonsense and fails to understand how people can and do manipulate others

by eddie Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:12 pm

Okay. You have a need to be right. I know what I’m saying, you don’t.

I’ll just repeat it here and leave it at that.

“But those girls found themselves in that situation BECAUSE of their background and loveless pasts.

I know you understand that this is relevant to WHY they were targeted.”

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:14 pm

eddie wrote:Okay. You have a need to be right. I know what I’m saying, you don’t.

I’ll just repeat it here and leave it at that.

“But those girls found themselves in that situation BECAUSE of their background and loveless pasts.

I know you understand that this is relevant to WHY they were targeted.”

Do I? You keep thinking that is what I need.

Pathetic

Yeah you keep looking to blame others, its what judgemental people tend to do.

Again many people can be exploited, some easier than others.

These were girls, not sexually or mentally mature.

That makes just about any girl of ages 11 to 15 vunerable and that is what you fail to even grasp

by Raggamuffin Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:17 pm

We don't know why they wound up in that position. Were they all in care/allowed to run wild?

by eddie Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:18 pm

Yes you are now twisting my words - I hate that - and by doing so you’re adding some spice to your bland argument because you’re bored and you fancy a fight sandwich.

Ain’t playing baby.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:23 pm

eddie wrote:Yes you are now twisting my words - I hate that - and by doing so you’re adding some spice to your bland argument because you’re bored and you fancy a fight sandwich.

Ain’t playing baby.

Really, by claiming I just want to be right?

So yeah, how about you grow up first

So again you wrongly assume, not looking for a fight. I think what Ben said was appalling and I think its appalling you agree.

So I am not bored and reasoning why your view is flawed and fails to understand just how vunerable all children are.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:36 pm

eddie wrote:Okay nobody is REMOVING the blame from the men who did this.

But those girls found themselves in that situation BECAUSE of their background and loveless pasts.

eddie, many of these girls came from good homes with loving parents who tried their best to get help only to be ignored. any young girl wants to be treated as older. they are targetted, befriended at first, made to feel special and all grown up and then abused and filmed and then they are blackmailed with telling their parents, then they threaten to harm the girls family. at least one set of parents say that they upped and moved house into a different area because there was no escape.

any young girl can be vulnerable at different times

my own daughter was totally controlled and abused for 2 years by an absolute bastard and I could do nothing. She had just turned 18 at the time anyway so i couldnt even ground her but even if she were younger she would have found a way cos she was under his control and had no choice at the time. he met her at her most vulnerable time in her whole life.

am I a bad parent?

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:48 pm

eddie wrote:I watched the documentary about it. Most if not all, the girls came from homes that were dysfunctional.
Their parents didn’t know where they were and the girls were coerced and given money and booze etc, by the predators.

The blame lies a little with the parents because they had no clue where their kids were but it definitely lies fully, with the disgusting perverted shits that groomed and raped them.

You watched A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT ONLY A FEW OF THE 10's of 1000's OF VICTIMS... and which was obviously made with an agenda to try to denigrate the victims...!

The overwhelming vast majority came from normal households!!!

And don't forget that other victims were children of Sikh families, as well as other non moslim ethnic backgrounds... and some of the victims were boys...!

This was pakistani moslems deliberately targeting non moslem children!!!

Eddie... can you define what you mean by 'dysfunctional homes'...?

by Tommy Monk Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:47 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Some of the 10's of thousands of victims were in the care system and therefore already vulnerable, and totally let down by that system that clearly didn't protect them enough... especially as large numbers of the care staff actually knew what was going on having seen the victims getting bundled into cars by pakistani men and driven off etc, and had been told by the victims what was going on... but still did nothing...!

But vast majority of victims came from normal family households!!!

And were being accosted outside their schools and on their way home etc, and at various other times in early evenings and weekends where they will have had plenty of legitimate reasons to be outside of their homes... going to the shops, meeting friends etc...

Then once accosted, many were abused for hours or even days, only to then be released and return home... as traumatised victims, not talking to anyone about it, and scared shitless from the threats they had had that the abusers would kill them and/or kill their parents and siblings etc if they said anything... and so it continued...

Even those who did speak out and who sought help from the police/authorities were treated appallingly... at best they were ignored and turned away, at worst they themselves were vilified, treated as troublemakers and as being the problems, instead of being treated as the traumatised & desperate children they really were, as the victims of long sustained periods of horrific and brutal multiple mass rape & abuse attacks by vast numbers of pakistani men... these children and their parents were threatened with being arrested themselves... and no action taken against the vile perpetrators!!!

How would you feel if it was you and your child that this was happening to...!?

Reposted

by Ben Reilly Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:59 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Without knowing the circumstances of each girl (or boy) you can't really say the parents were to blame. In any case, the people to blame were the ones who abused them.

Some of the girls went along with it of course, but the men were adults and they looked for these girls - it was premeditated.

They also generally looked for white girls, which makes it a racial issue. Some of their wives have said very unpleasant and inciteful things about the girls - racist comments, so they should be banged up as well IMO.

So you don't think if the parents knew where their girls were, they might not have been abused?

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:14 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Without knowing the circumstances of each girl (or boy) you can't really say the parents were to blame. In any case, the people to blame were the ones who abused them.

Some of the girls went along with it of course, but the men were adults and they looked for these girls - it was premeditated.

They also generally looked for white girls, which makes it a racial issue. Some of their wives have said very unpleasant and inciteful things about the girls - racist comments, so they should be banged up as well IMO.

So you don't think if the parents knew where their girls were, they might not have been abused?

And you think that makes parents responsible then?

How many times did you tell porkies to where you went out to your parents?

Even more so when these girls have been exploited and groomed

Then tell me how many people you knew, never lied about where they were going to their parents?

What a ridiculous point you make, unless you think all children, should be kept on a leash

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:14 pm

gelico wrote:
eddie wrote:Okay nobody is REMOVING the blame from the men who did this.

But those girls found themselves in that situation BECAUSE of their background and loveless pasts.

eddie, many of these girls came from good homes with loving parents who tried their best to get help only to be ignored. any young girl wants to be treated as older. they are targetted, befriended at first, made to feel special and all grown up and then abused and filmed and then they are blackmailed with telling their parents, then they threaten to harm the girls family. at least one set of parents say that they upped and moved house into a different area because there was no escape.

any young girl can be vulnerable at different times

my own daughter was totally controlled and abused for 2 years by an absolute bastard and I could do nothing. She had just turned 18 at the time anyway so i couldnt even ground her but even if she were younger she would have found a way cos she was under his control and had no choice at the time. he met her at her most vulnerable time in her whole life.

am I a bad parent?

Sorry to hear that gelico, that must have been awful.

by Raggamuffin Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:15 pm

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Without knowing the circumstances of each girl (or boy) you can't really say the parents were to blame. In any case, the people to blame were the ones who abused them.

Some of the girls went along with it of course, but the men were adults and they looked for these girls - it was premeditated.

They also generally looked for white girls, which makes it a racial issue. Some of their wives have said very unpleasant and inciteful things about the girls - racist comments, so they should be banged up as well IMO.

So you don't think if the parents knew where their girls were, they might not have been abused?

Perhaps the girls told their parents they were going somewhere else. They weren't too young to be out on their own, unless it was late at night.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:14 pm

Didge wrote:
gelico wrote:

eddie, many of these girls came from good homes with loving parents who tried their best to get help only to be ignored. any young girl wants to be treated as older. they are targetted, befriended at first, made to feel special and all grown up and then abused and filmed and then they are blackmailed with telling their parents, then they threaten to harm the girls family. at least one set of parents say that they upped and moved house into a different area because there was no escape.

any young girl can be vulnerable at different times

my own daughter was totally controlled and abused for 2 years by an absolute bastard and I could do nothing. She had just turned 18 at the time anyway so i couldnt even ground her but even if she were younger she would have found a way cos she was under his control and had no choice at the time. he met her at her most vulnerable time in her whole life.

am I a bad parent?

Sorry to hear that gelico, that must have been awful.

thanks didge, it was an absolute nightmare tbh. she met him about 3 days before her dad died and she was in absolute bits. within a month he owned her and damn near destroyed her. she was on all sorts of drugs, doing burglaries, getting into fights and she went down to less than 6 stone. she just withdrew from me and I couldn't reach her. It was agony at the time but we are so close now

by Ben Reilly Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:26 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Without knowing the circumstances of each girl (or boy) you can't really say the parents were to blame. In any case, the people to blame were the ones who abused them.

Some of the girls went along with it of course, but the men were adults and they looked for these girls - it was premeditated.

They also generally looked for white girls, which makes it a racial issue. Some of their wives have said very unpleasant and inciteful things about the girls - racist comments, so they should be banged up as well IMO.

So you don't think if the parents knew where their girls were, they might not have been abused?

Perhaps the girls told their parents they were going somewhere else. They weren't too young to be out on their own, unless it was late at night.

Knowing where they are is important, but obviously it's not all you have to do. You have to teach kids about the dangers of the world as well.

Christ, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall with you people.

by Ben Reilly Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:30 pm

You're like this:

"13-year-old British white girl's family is on benefits" > SHE'S A SCROUNGER!!!

"13-year-old British white girl gets raped by a white British man" > Oh, so sad.

"13-year-old British white girl victimized by Pakistani grooming gang" >

Terror police boost MP's security after she is accused of racism by activists for condemning the grooming of girls by Asian sex gangs - Page 3 Giphy

Terror police boost MP's security after she is accused of racism by activists for condemning the grooming of girls by Asian sex gangs - Page 3 Giphy

by Tommy Monk Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:13 am

Tens of thousands of white British children being systematically abused and mass raped by gangs of pakistani moslems... all over the country... for over a decade... AND KNOWN ABOUT BY THE POLICE/COUNCILS/AUTHORITIES/SOCIAL SERVICES... WHO ACTIVELY DENIED & COVERED UP WHAT WAS GOING ON... TREATING THE VICTIMS LIKE CRIMINALS AND PERSECUTING ANYONE WHO DARED SPEAK OUT ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON...!!!

THAT IS THE TRUTH OF IT BEN!!!

DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH INTO THE FACTS BEFORE YOU TALK ANY MORE WEASEL SHITE ON THE SUBJECT!!!

by Original Quill Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:32 am

Tommy Monk wrote:THAT IS THE TRUTH OF IT BEN!!!

But no facts. Gd luck, Ben.

by Guest Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:10 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Perhaps the girls told their parents they were going somewhere else. They weren't too young to be out on their own, unless it was late at night.

Knowing where they are is important, but obviously it's not all you have to do. You have to teach kids about the dangers of the world as well.

Christ, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall with you people.

Man alive, do you not have a clue on this

I think because most people understand you do not have a clue on this

Kids are already taught dangers

How about you start to understand by educating yourself

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/child-abuse-and-neglect/grooming/

by Guest Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:12 am

gelico wrote:
Didge wrote:

Sorry to hear that gelico, that must have been awful.

thanks didge, it was an absolute nightmare tbh. she met him about 3 days before her dad died and she was in absolute bits. within a month he owned her and damn near destroyed her. she was on all sorts of drugs, doing burglaries, getting into fights and she went down to less than 6 stone. she just withdrew from me and I couldn't reach her. It was agony at the time but we are so close now

Bloody hell, so at her most vunerable, after losing her dad. It must have been horrible and even worse you could do little.

Is she still traumatized by this all?

Her trust levels must have been shattered.

by Guest Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:23 am

I’m a Rotherham grooming gang survivor. I call myself a survivor because I’m still alive. I’m part of the UK’s largest ever child sexual abuse investigation.

As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white c***” as they beat me.

They made it clear that because I was a non-Muslim, and not a virgin, and because I didn’t dress “modestly”, that they believed I deserved to be “punished”. They said I had to “obey” or be beaten.

Fear of being killed, and threats to my parents’ lives, made it impossible for me to escape for about a year. The police didn’t help me.

As someone who has experienced life inside a grooming gang, I can tell you with certainty that none of this is likely to make any difference to the behaviours of groomers. Like terrorists, they firmly believe that the crimes they carry out are justified by their religious beliefs.

If anything, rising anti-Muslim hate will probably make groomers stronger in their convictions, and drive ordinary young Muslim men towards fundamentalism, grooming gangs and terrorism. The camaraderie, protection, money, and kudos that these groups offer, makes them a strong pull for anyone. Worryingly, several young men I have spoken to joke that being a gangster and going to jail are their “life goals”.

However big or small the problem of grooming gang crime is, it is big enough to warrant national concern, not only because of the severity of crimes, but because of the degree of terror and threats to life involved. This really does devastate lives, families and communities. We don’t even talk about the non-survivors.

Experts say that grooming gangs are not the same as paedophile rings. It’s something that central Government really needs to understand in order to prevent more grooming gang crime in the future.

In November 2017, the Swedish government held a meeting where they stated that: “Sexual violence is being used as a tactic of terrorism”, and as such, it was recognised as a threat to Sweden’s national security.

The link between terrorism and rape undertaken by Islamist gangs was not being ignored. They called for counter-extremism education. This sounds like a balanced and intelligent governmental response to me.

Religious indoctrination is a big part of the process of getting young men involved in grooming gang crime. Religious ideas about purity, virginity, modesty and obedience are taken to the extreme until horrific abuse becomes the norm. It was taught to me as a concept of “othering”.

“Muslim girls are good and pure because they dress modestly, covering down to their ankles and wrists, and covering their crotch area. They stay virgins until marriage. They are our girls.

"White girls and non-Muslim girls are bad because you dress like slags. You show the curves of your bodies (showing the gap between your thighs means you’re asking for it) and therefore you’re immoral. White girls sleep with hundreds of men. You are the other girls. You are worthless and you deserve to be gang-raped.”

This hateful religious hypocrisy strikes people to their very core. But it’s far from unique. My main perpetrator quoted scriptures from the Quran to me as he beat me. However, almost identical scriptures (about the stoning to death of virgins who don’t scream when they are raped) can also be found in the Bible.

The problem isn’t the text itself; it’s how it’s fundamentally interpreted. In fact, there are many cases of Bible quotes being used to justify terrible human injustices, like the enslavement of people from Africa, antisemitism and violence towards LGBT+ people.

All the major world religions, including Hinduism and Buddhism, have also at some time been associated with extreme human rights abuses against men, women and children.

I experienced horrific, religiously sanctioned sexual violence and torture – so I definitely believe that we need to be aware of religious extremism as something potentially harmful, so that we can protect people from it.

But for Tommy Robinson and his followers to focus on an entire religion, based on the cruel interpretations of some scriptures by some people, is unhelpful, to say the least. Many of his religious theories and conjecture are not anything that I can relate to in my real life experiences.

Most grooming gang survivors I know absolutely condemn anti-Islamic hate, and we’re uncomfortable with English Defence League protests. We certainly don’t want random attacks on “all Muslims”. You can’t cure harm with more harm. Free-thinking men from Pakistani Muslim backgrounds, like Nazir Afzal, agree, and many deal with all of this incredibly graciously.

As a Rotherham grooming gang survivor, I am told that both child protection services and the prosecution of offenders is improving in most areas. But frustratingly, prevention hasn’t really begun.

I witnessed the ways young men are groomed to become perpetrators by older grooming gang members. It’s very similar to the tactics used in grooming for terrorism, with love-bombing, emotive language (“brother”, “cuz”, “blud”), and promises of wealth and fame, then humiliation, controlling with guilt and shame, training with weapons, and instilling hate and fear of outsiders.

Always, at the same time, they continue to convince these young men that they must find girls to be gang-raped too.

Grooming gang crime is upheld by religious extremism. Like Sweden, we must officially recognise this, and work to curb extremist preaching, teach religious counter-narratives, give gendered extremism education and deliver quality relationships education, while learning the lessons from Prevent and Channel. We need a careful, considered approach that is respectful of the human rights of everyone.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-Muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html

Of course some people will continue to bury their heads in the sand over this, as ben has done so throughout

by Guest Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:00 am

Oh and one last point and where I disagree with the victim here. Is a view about interpretation. Is that she has not understood that this problem stems all the way back to the creation of Islam. That enabled the enslavement of women and girls as sex slaves. Something that has gone on for the last 1400 years within Islam. Its always why many of these groomers, think they are religiously justified. History is littered with the islamic societies having countless sexual slaves. Its in the Quran and hadiths, where Muhammad gave captured women and girls as sexual slaves to his men for their services in war.

Which you would have thought, like with the other Abrahamic religions. They have mainly adpated to see such stories from the Bible and Torah as events for the time and not to be taken litterally. Of course some still do and there is a level of secrecy of abuse known within the small Ultra Orthordox Jewish community.

But here is the crux and problem with Islam. The view to emulate Muhammad and how its seen as the last message, which is an open invitation to abuse. How women, espcially non-Muslim women are seen. In the most degrading and hateful ways. So to tackle this, you have to tackle the actual teachings of such a religion. Espcially the stories found within the hadiths. Theses stories about Muhammad which are basically deified and basically classed alongside Surah's, making them like law. As again Muhammad is seen as seen as perfect to Muslims within Islam. It means Muslims have to stop deifying the so call deeds found within the hadiths, that in reality are histrocially unreliable. So this needs to be challenged.

So we should never be afraid to talk about these problems

by Tommy Monk Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:20 am

What I have said here is 100% factual!!!

by Raggamuffin Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:14 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Perhaps the girls told their parents they were going somewhere else. They weren't too young to be out on their own, unless it was late at night.

Knowing where they are is important, but obviously it's not all you have to do. You have to teach kids about the dangers of the world as well.

Christ, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall with you people.

Perhaps they do teach them about the dangers of the world, but young girls and boys don't always listen. They want adventure and excitement.

by Guest Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:32 am

Didge wrote:
gelico wrote:

thanks didge, it was an absolute nightmare tbh. she met him about 3 days before her dad died and she was in absolute bits. within a month he owned her and damn near destroyed her. she was on all sorts of drugs, doing burglaries, getting into fights and she went down to less than 6 stone. she just withdrew from me and I couldn't reach her. It was agony at the time but we are so close now

Bloody hell, so at her most vunerable, after losing her dad. It must have been horrible and even worse you could do little.

Is she still traumatized by this all?

Her trust levels must have been shattered.

no she's no longer traumatised didge she's grown amazingly strong. but she admitted to me after she'd ditched him i think he was threatening all sorts and saying he was going to hurt her brothers and me and was blackmailing her about all the stuff she'd been up to so she confessed all to me one day out of the blue and we've been close ever since.

she said to me once about 6 months after she'd escaped him and I think he was back inside at the time ''I may not know exactly the sort of bloke that I want in my life but at least I know for definite the sort that I DONT want''

but my point really was to ben and eddie to say that any girl can get caught up with a nasty manipulative control freak at any time for any reason. and yes I get that some of these girls didn't have the best start but not all of them by any means were in care and they've made it sound like the parents are bad and dont give a shit which kinda hurts cos i've been in that situation

ps, he wasn't a pakistani Muslim, he was a white bloke but the point still stands

by magica Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:47 pm

Thanku for that Gel, it really brings it home x

by eddie Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:11 pm

Yes gels, I know all of this.

I have no idea why people aren’t reading my posts properly. It’s so tedious.

by Original Quill Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:53 pm

eddie wrote:Yes gels, I know all of this.

I have no idea why people aren’t reading my posts properly. It’s so tedious.

Certain posters deliberately go off on an erroneous reading of a post. Key words set them off, regardless of the point. That, or they argue the example, or engage in semantic argument. Are they deliberately shit-stirring, or do they really not understand how to reason? Always the question.