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What about people who leave their keys in their car?

Florida state Rep. Wengay Newton (D–St. Petersburg) is so tough on auto theft that he wants to punish the crime's victims as well.

Newton has introduced a bill that would make it a criminal offense to have your car stolen if you leave it unlocked with the keys inside. His legislation would make this a second-degree misdemeanor; violators would face fines of up to $500 and jail time of up to 60 days.

But only if the person who steals the car is a minor. Having the same unlocked car stolen by an adult would not be a criminal offense.

"We have a lot of juveniles getting access to vehicles unlawfully. However, these juveniles are not using guns or force. These vehicles are pretty much just left running with keys in them," Newton told WTSP. He claims his bill would "close this floodgate of a crime of opportunity."

Leaving one's car unlocked can already lead to a citation in Florida, but a Tampa Bay Times analysis found that these are rarely issued.

Not surprisingly, this proposal has prompted some pushback from people who say it's unfair to crime victims. That includes a number of law enforcement officials.

"I don't think it would be appropriate to charge a victim for a crime," Clearwater Police Chief Daniel Slaughter told the Tampa Bay Times. "When we're trying to build trust in the community, it wouldn't really breed a culture of trust between victims and law enforcement." St. Petersburg Police Chief Anthony Holloway expressed similar sentiments, pointing out to the paper that "people won't report it, or they'll lie to us."


http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/12/florida-bill-would-make-it-a-crime-to-be

Didge wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

Didge wrote:This is hilarious

So apparantly according to Victor, he is to blame, if someone breaks into his house, and they have no keys.

Come again?

The keys would be secure, as they are within a locked premesis

Ie, your house

You are just making shit up as you go along, mainly as you cannot admit you are wrong

So if you have no relatives, how does your poor excuse work now?

Last chance

Try again

I'll change that...you are an argumentative arse....

you think you know everything about anything...I can assure you you dont, and this is one area that you clearly know bugger all about
you are merely ranting on with what YOU think SHOULD be...
I'm telling you what IS.

I dont give a flying fuck what you THINK is the law, when I've had that law explained in depth to me by any number of other gun owners, the FEO for our local force AND by BASC, our shooting organisation.

So you are a snowflake

Seriously dry your eyes out mate

You are a sore loser

At least i have the decency to see when you are right and admit when you are

You have shown you are no better than smelly when he ignores evidence on climate change

You want to get personal, bring it on mate.

dream on didge...like I said ask moley or nicko..... they will have had the same (or similar ) pep talk by THEIR FEO.....

advice from BASC (written by specialist firearms law barristers)

"You should ensure that you keep the keys to the cabinet in a place where they can’t be found easily. Remember that YOU are responsible for the security of the guns, and letting people who do not have a certificate (including family members) know where the keys are, is NOT taking reasonable precautions to ensure that they don’t have access to the guns.

Criminals are aware of the habit of “hiding” keys in a drawer, so think carefully about the hiding place. It would be sensible to consider changing that hiding place from time to time. Another option is to put the keys into a small combination safe – for which only you have the combination. Another option is a gun safe with a combination lock. Equal care should be taken to prevent anyone else knowing the access codes."

from https://basc.org.uk/firearms/firearm-shotgun-security-what-do-you-do/



"Safe-keeping of keys
2.59 Only authorised persons should have
access to any of the keys for any cabinet etc
containing firearms and section 1 ammunition.
Care needs to be taken in selecting locations
for the storage of keys, particularly any sp
are sets, to avoid them being discovered and
improperly used.

from https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/518193/Guidance_on_Firearms_Licensing_Law_April_2016_v20.pdf

Didge wrote:Yes you have just repeated the same text never understanding it

Thus show me how thieves have access to your firearms?

When your house is secure?

You really hate being wrong, dont you mate?

I do when I know I'm right

anyhow...I'll leave you to fester...remember to ask moley or nicko.....

I think you will find they say the same thing

I'm off to me pit

Lord Foul wrote:

Didge wrote:Yes you have just repeated the same text never understanding it

Thus show me how thieves have access to your firearms?

When your house is secure?

You really hate being wrong, dont you mate?

I do when I know I'm right

Then that is your failing

You ask me to ask two posters on law of firearms, based around thieves breaking entry to your secure house?

Do you not see how desperate that is?

I respect both of them and as much as i see Me lord having more knowledge than you. It matters little. As neither are lawyers

You have failed to pass the first hurdle here

If you want to believe you are right, then do so

I have made two major points here

1) You certainly do not understand the law

2) You have no comprehension, in what it is to have something secure

Lord Foul wrote:anyhow...I'll leave you to fester...remember to ask moley or nicko.....

I think you will find they say the same thing

I'm off to me pit

Oh dear?

Fester?


Why would two people not legally trained hold the key here?

Its like saying, that the because I like Vikings, that the group Abba are the best legal historians on them

Whilst in the pit, learn some humility, as no matter what either says. It will never back your arguments on legality here

I would trust quill here on this.

How about that?

quill does not know UK firearms law....


the UK rules are far different

and OH dear you have no idea what you are waffling on about...

clueless in fact....

Lord Foul wrote:quill does not know UK firearms law....


the UK rules are far different

And yet has a far better grasp of the legality of laws, than you will ever do.

Lord Foul wrote:and OH dear you have no idea what you are waffling on about...

clueless in fact....

Oh grow up, you silly child

Talk about not liking the fact someone disagrees with you

you can disagree all you want...it doesnt make you right...just "shouty"

Lord Foul wrote:you can disagree all you want...it doesnt make you right...just "shouty"

Says the cantankerous baffon, who does not understand simple laws

Seriously grow the fuck up

Or better still, go out and shoot your gun off, to relieve your temper tantrum

didge , i'm going to leave you to it...I will continue securing my keys in accordance with the law...

then IF I ever get burgled I wont look a geranium standing up in front of the judge explaining that "well I thought it was OK to leave em lying around ...didge told me so"

Lord Foul wrote:didge , i'm going to leave you to it...I will continue securing my keys in accordance with the law...

then IF I ever get burgled I wont look a geranium standing up in front of the judge explaining that "well I thought it was OK to leave em lying around ...didge told me so"

I am sure the judge will no doubt ask for your autograph