Trump on abortion: Women should be punished; men not responsible.

by Original Quill Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:36 pm

In an incredible interview with Chris Matthews of MSNBC, Donald Trump said that if laws were passed prohibiting abortion, women should be punished. But, conversely, that men were not responsible for it.

MSNBC wrote:Trump's initial comments on Wednesday came after a lengthy exchange with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, who pressured the Republican to give a yes or no answer to the question, "should abortion be punished."

"There has to be some form of punishment," Trump said during a televised town hall event.

He was asked if he meant women specifically:

CNN wrote:When Matthews asked if that penalty should apply specifically to the woman, Trump replied: "Yes."

He was then asked if men should be held responsible:

HUFFPOST wrote:Trump indicated he would be far more lenient on the man who impregnated a woman who had an abortion — he said he did not think they would bear the same level of responsibility.

Do you wonder why Trump is in trouble with women?

by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:53 pm

To be fair, a man can't have an abortion, so he can't really be responsible for abortions.

by captain Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:38 pm

Some men are never fault, so guess we just have to deal with it.

by eddie Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:49 pm

Hmmmm. If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to then it kinda is her fault.

If she isn't taking precautions then it's her fault
If she lets a man give her jooky jooky, without a coat on his little man....then it's her fault.

Let's face it, certain men won't care; if he can have his cake then he won't worry about making any buns in an oven.

by 'Wolfie Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:06 pm

EACH WEEK we're seeing the Don backpeddling faster and faster, trying to get both feet out of his mouth at the same time !!!

FIRST he wanted to send all the Mexicans back, build a wall -- and make Mexico pay for it !
A COUPLE of weeks later, he revised that to say if he was allowed to (i.e. by law..) -- though one must wonder just how he can make Mexico pay !

NEXT, he was promising some of the more redneck states that he would kick all of those 'Muzlimms' out of the country..
BUT by the time he reached the eastern states, he had watered that down to only stating that he would be trying to keep any more Muslims out of the US...

THIS week, he states in the interview that he's a born-again 'pro-lifer' (even if he doesn't know what it means..), that all women who have abortions should be punished, irregardless of their reasons -- but that men can't be held responsible;
HOWEVER, just the following morning we see him again changing his tune -- and now he thinks it should be the doctors and clinics held to account ?

TALK ABOUT making policy on the run !
Trump performs more backflips in a week than Didge manages in any of his threads..
The Trumpster should be a clown act in a circus... Trump on abortion: Women should be punished; men not responsible. 1335987845

Trump on abortion: Women should be punished; men not responsible. 1335987845

by eddie Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:09 pm

You nearly made a whole, understandable post, without mentioning didge.
Then you went and got excited and did it anyway.

by 'Wolfie Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:11 pm

by Guest Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:28 pm

eddie wrote:You nearly made a whole, understandable post, without mentioning didge.
Then you went and got excited and did it anyway.

I love it Eddie,. it shows how easily he is continually wound up bless him ha ha ha ha

by Guest Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:32 pm

eddie wrote:You nearly made a whole, understandable post, without mentioning didge.
Then you went and got excited and did it anyway.

I love it Eddie,. it shows how easily he is continually wound up bless him ha ha ha ha

Also makes very little sense as well ha ha ha

If he is that bothered then what does it say more about how something so minor bothers his life continually daily

Laughing

by HoratioTarr Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:56 pm

Original Quill wrote:In an incredible interview with Chris Matthews of MSNBC, Donald Trump said that if laws were passed prohibiting abortion, women should be punished. But, conversely, that men were not responsible for it.

MSNBC wrote:Trump's initial comments on Wednesday came after a lengthy exchange with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, who pressured the Republican to give a yes or no answer to the question, "should abortion be punished."

"There has to be some form of punishment," Trump said during a televised town hall event.

He was asked if he meant women specifically:

CNN wrote:When Matthews asked if that penalty should apply specifically to the woman, Trump replied: "Yes."

He was then asked if men should be held responsible:

HUFFPOST wrote:Trump indicated he would be far more lenient on the man who impregnated a woman who had an abortion — he said he did not think they would bear the same level of responsibility.

Do you wonder why Trump is in trouble with women?

What a load of holier than thou pontificating drivel. Who does he think he is?

by Syl Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:10 pm

Trump is obviously insane.
If anyone had doubts before this latest waffle just proves it.

by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:12 pm

I don't think it sounds mad. He's not necessarily saying that abortion should be illegal, just that it would be women who would be punished if it was. That's logical because it's women who have abortions, right? In fact, it's stating the obvious really.

by HoratioTarr Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:15 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think it sounds mad. He's not necessarily saying that abortion should be illegal, just that it would be women who would be punished if it was. That's logical because it's women who have abortions, right? In fact, it's stating the obvious really.

No woman should be punished for choosing a termination. If he means women who have terminations as a form of birth control, then obviously, that's not right.

What about women who are raped and get pregnant? Or cases of incest?

by Syl Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:23 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think it sounds mad. He's not necessarily saying that abortion should be illegal, just that it would be women who would be punished if it was. That's logical because it's women who have abortions, right? In fact, it's stating the obvious really.

Why should a woman be punished in the first place?

by Raggamuffin Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:49 pm

Syl wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think it sounds mad. He's not necessarily saying that abortion should be illegal, just that it would be women who would be punished if it was. That's logical because it's women who have abortions, right? In fact, it's stating the obvious really.

Why should a woman be punished in the first place?

Because if it was illegal it would be punishable like anything which was against the law. There's no link so there's no context to the story.

by Syl Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:55 pm

Oh....he has now changed his mind and backtracked.......the fool.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35931103

by Original Quill Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:00 pm

Not a decisive leader, eh?

by eddie Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:49 pm

Original Quill wrote:Not a decisive leader, eh?

He's a total idiot.

by veya_victaous Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:50 pm

eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Not a decisive leader, eh?

He's a total idiot.

well at least eddie is seeing the light regarding trump

dude's a nut case with no grounding in the real world

by veya_victaous Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:14 am

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this is a pretty accurate and honest flow chart Smile

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by veya_victaous Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:40 am

by eddie Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:05 am

veya_victaous wrote:
eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Not a decisive leader, eh?

He's a total idiot.

well at least eddie is seeing the light regarding trump

dude's a nut case with no grounding in the real world

Veya, dude....do you EVER Read my posts properly?
I've never liked Trump! Everytime I speak of him - even when I'm defending his right to say what he wants - I've always stated I didn't like him.

by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:58 am

I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that Donald Trump thinks (at least for a few minutes) that abortion should be banned and women who then have them should be punished in some way he hasn’t determined yet. It could be worse. Christian extremist and one-man hate group Theodore Shoebatsays that women who have abortions are “sluts” who deserve the death penalty:

[Shoebat] cited [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 20:2-5]Leviticus[/url] as he declared that “all these sluts who kill their own children” should be put to death.
“They had a choice to keep their legs closed,” he stated. “They could have controlled themselves, and they got the abortions and they murdered their own children. Let me tell you something, I believe in the death penalty for these women and I believe that God himself agrees with me.”

So… what about women who become pregnant as the result of rape? Should they be killed? Do they not exist because their bodies would shut the whole thing down? Or is all this too much nuance for him to handle?
On a brighter note, Trump and Ted Cruz sound downright harmless next to this guy.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/03/31/christian-extremist-women-who-have-abortions-are-sluts-who-deserve-the-death-penalty/

by Original Quill Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:35 pm

Trump heard it from both sides over this one. Of course, from the pro-choice people and all women, it was simply the ex-husband criticizing anything you do. Most women believe in choice, and that a woman's body is her own. So it was just another anti-women rant.

However, even the extreme right hit back at Trump too. Over the years the pro-life, anti-abortion groups have carefully avoiding castigating women for abortions. They cast women as the victims and pose doctors as the villains. Their attacks have been upon the OB-Gyns and the clinics they operate. There have been several notorious incidents (why is violence always the option of RW'ers?) of doctors of abortion clinics. Incidents include vandalism, arson, and bombings of abortion clinics, such as those committed by Eric Rudolph (1996–98), and murders or attempted murders of physicians and clinic staff, as committed by James Kopp (1998), Paul Jennings Hill (1994), Scott Roeder (2009), Michael F. Griffin (1993), and Peter James Knight (2001).

In fact, the more effective anti-abortionists simply write laws that close down abortion clinics. That is the strategy. That's why they target Planned Parenthood. They leave the women alone, if abandoned. The State of Texas is a prime example.

by Raggamuffin Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:13 pm

I don't know about the US, but in the UK the law is not a matter of the woman's "choice". If the law was applied properly, maybe there wouldn't be such a fuss. They didn't even castigate one doctor for offering abortions based on the sex of the baby and for asking no questions, and another one only got suspended for three months.

by Original Quill Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't know about the US, but in the UK the law is not a matter of the woman's "choice". If the law was applied properly, maybe there wouldn't be such a fuss. They didn't even castigate one doctor for offering abortions based on the sex of the baby and for asking no questions, and another one only got suspended for three months.

You mean in the UK a woman can be forced to have an abortion, or not to have an abortion, without having a choice? What do you mean by 'it's not a woman's choice?"

In America anti-abortionists want to force a woman to go to term, without an abortion. That's what we mean by "choice". The woman's choice is taken away from her.

by Raggamuffin Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I don't know about the US, but in the UK the law is not a matter of the woman's "choice". If the law was applied properly, maybe there wouldn't be such a fuss. They didn't even castigate one doctor for offering abortions based on the sex of the baby and for asking no questions, and another one only got suspended for three months.

You mean in the UK a woman can be forced to have an abortion, or not to have an abortion, without having a choice? What do you mean by 'it's not a woman's choice?"

In America anti-abortionists want to force a woman to go to term, without an abortion. That's what we mean by "choice". The woman's choice is taken away from her.

I mean the law doesn't say that a woman can have an abortion just because she can't arsed with a baby, just because a baby wouldn't fit her lifestyle, because she wanted one in a couple of years' time, or because the baby is a girl and she wanted a boy. In other words, it's not supposed be a lifestyle choice. The law is frequently ignored though under the banner of "mental distress", or it's ignored under the banner of "freedom of choice". We basically have abortion on demand here, even though that's not what the law says.

The law is different in Northern Ireland, so I'm not talking about NI.

by Original Quill Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:27 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:We basically have abortion on demand here, even though that's not what the law says.

You mean there must be clinical justification for it. Yes, I understand how lax that could be.

by Raggamuffin Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:38 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:We basically have abortion on demand here, even though that's not what the law says.

You mean there must be clinical justification for it. Yes, I understand how lax that could be.

Yes. I think the law is fine, as long as it's applied properly, although I'd like to see the time limit changed.

The owner of many properties in Harley Street and the surrounding district in London banned abortion clinics in 2007 on the grounds that doctors were performing abortions as a lifestyle procedure. There was a fuss of course about women's "rights", but I could see why she did it. She was legally entitled to do so as well. She also banned cosmetic surgery clinics.

by Original Quill Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:04 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

You mean there must be clinical justification for it. Yes, I understand how lax that could be.

Yes. I think the law is fine, as long as it's applied properly, although I'd like to see the time limit changed.

The owner of many properties in Harley Street and the surrounding district in London banned abortion clinics in 2007 on the grounds that doctors were performing abortions as a lifestyle procedure. There was a fuss of course about women's "rights", but I could see why she did it. She was legally entitled to do so as well. She also banned cosmetic surgery clinics.

Property owners pose a different sort of problem. Here, the Constitutional prohibition goes to civic and state entities. There is no constitutional prohibition of anti-abortion laws directly applicable to private parties...but, then, private parties don't generally pass laws.

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