Shooting and stabbing at Westminster.

eddie wrote:Killed on school run: Mother-of-two, 43, walking to pick up her children is named as one of the three victims of London terror attack
Aysha Frade, 43, was killed as she walked across Westminster Bridge to picking up her two daughters


Mrs Frade was born in Britain but family hails from Betanzos in Spain and had Portuguese husband John
Pc Keith Palmer, 48, was Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection officer, was stabbed to death by terrorist  
Man in his fifties - believed to have been knocked from Westminster Bridge on to underpass - third victim
Victims were left scattered all over the road and pavement, with one woman knocked into the River Thames
Three French school children from the private Lycée Saint-Joseph in Brittany are in a critical condition
Five Korean tourists looking at Big Ben were also reported to be among the injured, one very seriously
One woman had jumped into the Thames to escape - four students from Edge Hill University in Ormskirk hurt
Romanian engineer Andrei Burnaz and girlfriend Andreea Cristea 29, hurt during romantic break to London


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Raggamuffin wrote:I wonder what the actual plan was, and if it went to plan. Was the idea really to run a load of people over, crash the car, go in the gates to Parliament and stab a policeman? The man took some knives with him, so he clearly expected to stab someone at some point, but who? Running over pedestrians would have alerted the police very quickly, so why do that?  

Nobody could hope to get into the Houses of Parliament under such circumstances. I dunno - it all seems so random. It's not unlike the attack on Lee Rigby - they ran him down before they attacked him, but they did have a specific target.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I wonder what the actual plan was, and if it went to plan. Was the idea really to run a load of people over, crash the car, go in the gates to Parliament and stab a policeman? The man took some knives with him, so he clearly expected to stab someone at some point, but who? Running over pedestrians would have alerted the police very quickly, so why do that?  

Nobody could hope to get into the Houses of Parliament under such circumstances. I dunno - it all seems so random. It's not unlike the attack on Lee Rigby - they ran him down before they attacked him, but they did have a specific target.

Terrorists/madmen who set out to kill like this are possibly drugged up to the eyeballs....they could have a plan of what they want to do but maybe they just want to kill as many they can whilst they are doing it.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:

Terrorists/madmen who set out to kill like this are possibly drugged up to the eyeballs....they could have a plan of what they want to do but maybe they just want to kill as many they can whilst they are doing it.

Possibly, but it's been said that others have been arrested in connection with the attack. That would suggest there was a specific plan.

eddie wrote:Seen at Windsor station. Quintessentially British....

Raggamuffin wrote:The attacker has been named, but I'm a bit reluctant to name him on here in case it's the wrong person again.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The attacker has been named, but I'm a bit reluctant to name him on here in case it's the wrong person again.

he's an English teacher apparently.   

Scotland Yard are quoted...

'However, he was known to police and has a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.
'His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife. He has not been convicted for any terrorism offences.'

Syl wrote:I wonder how many young minds he has managed to warp if he was a teacher?

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

he's an English teacher apparently.   

Scotland Yard are quoted...

'However, he was known to police and has a range of previous convictions for assaults, including GBH, possession of offensive weapons and public order offences.
'His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage and his last conviction was in December 2003 for possession of a knife. He has not been convicted for any terrorism offences.'

A teacher? He had previous convictions - don't they check that kind of thing?

Syl wrote:

eddie wrote:Seen at Windsor station. Quintessentially British....

Brilliant, and this is what everyone should do....carry on as normal.

magica wrote:Oh I didn't write anything lol.

Was going to say we've seen many killings, from wars, IRA to islamic terrorists. We will never be afraid nor bow down to them.

Raggamuffin wrote:

magica wrote:Oh I didn't write anything lol.

Was going to say we've seen many killings, from wars, IRA to islamic terrorists. We will never be afraid nor bow down to them.

We already did bow down to the IRA - or rather the Government did. They let murderers out of prison early - that should never have been part of the agreement IMO.

• In 2016, 12 vehicular ramming attacks and 100 stabbing attacks were thwarted by security forces.
  
  
  
• Since 13 September 2015, 47 people have been killed in terrorist attacks and 686 people (including 4 Palestinians) injured.
  
  
  
• There have been 171 stabbing attacks and 110 attempted stabbings; 141 shootings; 55 vehicular (ramming) attacks; and one vehicular (bus) bombing.
  
  
  http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Palestinian/Pages/Wave-of-terror-October-2015.aspx
  
  

magica wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

We already did bow down to the IRA - or rather the Government did. They let murderers out of prison early - that should never have been part of the agreement IMO.

I agree Fen, but it was all part of achieving peace.  This happens all round the world, give a bit, see what happens.

We may not like it, but this will happen with radical Muslims one day.

Raggamuffin wrote:

magica wrote:

I agree Fen, but it was all part of achieving peace.  This happens all round the world, give a bit, see what happens.

We may not like it, but this will happen with radical Muslims one day.

I won't ever agree with letting murderers out early. What is that saying to the victim's friends and family? That their life wasn't worth anything, and they don't deserve justice. These people weren't political prisoners, they were murderers.

veya_victaous wrote:

Miffs2 wrote:

No Veya
Terrible things people do to people.

And do you know what else? If you can't make a comment about an atrocity like this without tagging a nasty little aside in as well, then you truly are an utter disgrace and a complete cock.

no. he is a hill Shepherd that thinks he IS defending his tribe
people that think they 'need' to defend their tribe are the problem

Simple as that . people that understand people are people Don't do things like this
normal people don't think it is okay to hate other people merely for Race or Religion

Miffs2 wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

no. he is a hill Shepherd that thinks he IS defending his tribe
people that think they 'need' to defend their tribe are the problem

Simple as that . people that understand people are people Don't do things like this
normal people don't think it is okay to hate other people merely for Race or Religion

Yet YOU think it's ok to hate on the basis of where someone was born?
You are a hypocrite Veya, but I suspect you have been told that before.

Thorin wrote:A terrorist rams his car into a crowd. Then he steps out and starts knifing civilians.

That was Wednesday in London, but in Israel it can be any day of the week.

So the terrorist attack at Westminster outside Parliament, which killed four, would surprise no Israeli, particularly as to this pattern of terrorism. In Israel it’s been going on for years…deadly car rammings and indiscriminate knifings as a method to strike fear into the heart of an entire population.

Now the entire world knows how it feels, but it all begins in Israel, where Islamic terrorists try out new tactics to see how the rest of the world will respond. I call it spring training for Radical Islam. If the response is full support for Israel, we win, they lose.

But if the world says the terrorists had an excuse…if the world says Israel must give up more land to pacify Muslim extremists…we lose, they win.

So yesterday violent Islam won again, this time in London, from where the UK’s foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, only a few weeks ago, warned Israel that it must absolutely abide by a two-state solution – must split itself in half to make happy Hamas, Abbas, the PA, the PLO and the rest of them that seek Israel’s destruction – along with the rest of Western civilization.

Does nothing get learned?

The brave talk fools nobody, not the Islamic hot heads first of all. “We remain defiant,” said one Member of Parliament over at the BBC.

Defiant, how? You keep bringing more of them in.


Basic math says the more terrorists you bring in, the more you are bound to suffer the consequences.

Granted, they are not all terrorists, but so inclined from specific countries. Our President, Donald Trump, keeps trying to keep them out.

So far he has not been entirely successful because of certain judges who tolerate anything, including rape, in the name of Tolerance.

In the name of Inclusiveness they give in to terror, and so, an hour after the attack, another Member of Parliament told the BBC:

“We will never give in to terror.”

Have you tried getting on a plane lately – without being near strip-searched? Every big city has quadrupled its police force and its intelligence gathering operations. Walls have gone up all over Europe – and we are building a wall. Check points everywhere. Constant alerts – if you see something, say something.

What is that? That is giving in to terror, and it’s happening all over, and electing a Muslim as London’s mayor stopped nothing.

Over the months, Mayor Sadiq Khan has called Trump’s proposed travel pause offensive and “ridiculous.”

Now what’s he say?

Kahn also said that every big city around the world ought to be ready and to expect terror attacks.


No, Sir, we never expected any such business until we shut our eyes and flung our doors and borders wide open.

New York-based bestselling American novelist Jack Engelhard writes regularly for Arutz Sheva. His books, including “The Bathsheba Deadline,” are available from Amazon and other retailers. Engelhard wrote the international bestseller “Indecent Proposal” and the award-winning Montreal memoir “Escape from Mount Moriah.” His latest is “News Anchor Sweetheart.” He is the recipient of the Ben Hecht Award for Literary Excellence. Website: www.jackengelhard.com

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/20307

Ben Reilly wrote:

Thorin wrote:A terrorist rams his car into a crowd. Then he steps out and starts knifing civilians.

That was Wednesday in London, but in Israel it can be any day of the week.

So the terrorist attack at Westminster outside Parliament, which killed four, would surprise no Israeli, particularly as to this pattern of terrorism. In Israel it’s been going on for years…deadly car rammings and indiscriminate knifings as a method to strike fear into the heart of an entire population.

Now the entire world knows how it feels, but it all begins in Israel, where Islamic terrorists try out new tactics to see how the rest of the world will respond. I call it spring training for Radical Islam. If the response is full support for Israel, we win, they lose.

But if the world says the terrorists had an excuse…if the world says Israel must give up more land to pacify Muslim extremists…we lose, they win.

So yesterday violent Islam won again, this time in London, from where the UK’s foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, only a few weeks ago, warned Israel that it must absolutely abide by a two-state solution – must split itself in half to make happy Hamas, Abbas, the PA, the PLO and the rest of them that seek Israel’s destruction – along with the rest of Western civilization.

Does nothing get learned?

The brave talk fools nobody, not the Islamic hot heads first of all. “We remain defiant,” said one Member of Parliament over at the BBC.

Defiant, how? You keep bringing more of them in.


Basic math says the more terrorists you bring in, the more you are bound to suffer the consequences.

Granted, they are not all terrorists, but so inclined from specific countries. Our President, Donald Trump, keeps trying to keep them out.

So far he has not been entirely successful because of certain judges who tolerate anything, including rape, in the name of Tolerance.

In the name of Inclusiveness they give in to terror, and so, an hour after the attack, another Member of Parliament told the BBC:

“We will never give in to terror.”

Have you tried getting on a plane lately – without being near strip-searched? Every big city has quadrupled its police force and its intelligence gathering operations. Walls have gone up all over Europe – and we are building a wall. Check points everywhere. Constant alerts – if you see something, say something.

What is that? That is giving in to terror, and it’s happening all over, and electing a Muslim as London’s mayor stopped nothing.

Over the months, Mayor Sadiq Khan has called Trump’s proposed travel pause offensive and “ridiculous.”

Now what’s he say?

Kahn also said that every big city around the world ought to be ready and to expect terror attacks.


No, Sir, we never expected any such business until we shut our eyes and flung our doors and borders wide open.

New York-based bestselling American novelist Jack Engelhard writes regularly for Arutz Sheva. His books, including “The Bathsheba Deadline,” are available from Amazon and other retailers. Engelhard wrote the international bestseller “Indecent Proposal” and the award-winning Montreal memoir “Escape from Mount Moriah.” His latest is “News Anchor Sweetheart.” He is the recipient of the Ben Hecht Award for Literary Excellence. Website: www.jackengelhard.com

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/20307

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security provided Trump with a report that detailed how the countries on his ban list do not send terrorists our way, so to portray him as trying to protect America is fallacious.

He made his bigoted, ignorant fans a promise during the election that he desperately wants to keep. Unfortunately for all of them, it violates the United States constitution to require a religious test to enter the country, or to block someone from legally entering the country except in cases of national emergency.

The judges who have knocked down his ban attempts didn't do that because they're tolerant of rape, it is because they took oaths to uphold the constitution. He did too, but you see how easily he breaks promises:

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Raggamuffin wrote:Another person has died in hospital - a 75-year old man who has not been named.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Thorin wrote:A terrorist rams his car into a crowd. Then he steps out and starts knifing civilians.

That was Wednesday in London, but in Israel it can be any day of the week.

So the terrorist attack at Westminster outside Parliament, which killed four, would surprise no Israeli, particularly as to this pattern of terrorism. In Israel it’s been going on for years…deadly car rammings and indiscriminate knifings as a method to strike fear into the heart of an entire population.

Now the entire world knows how it feels, but it all begins in Israel, where Islamic terrorists try out new tactics to see how the rest of the world will respond. I call it spring training for Radical Islam. If the response is full support for Israel, we win, they lose.

But if the world says the terrorists had an excuse…if the world says Israel must give up more land to pacify Muslim extremists…we lose, they win.

So yesterday violent Islam won again, this time in London, from where the UK’s foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, only a few weeks ago, warned Israel that it must absolutely abide by a two-state solution – must split itself in half to make happy Hamas, Abbas, the PA, the PLO and the rest of them that seek Israel’s destruction – along with the rest of Western civilization.

Does nothing get learned?

The brave talk fools nobody, not the Islamic hot heads first of all. “We remain defiant,” said one Member of Parliament over at the BBC.

Defiant, how? You keep bringing more of them in.


Basic math says the more terrorists you bring in, the more you are bound to suffer the consequences.

Granted, they are not all terrorists, but so inclined from specific countries. Our President, Donald Trump, keeps trying to keep them out.

So far he has not been entirely successful because of certain judges who tolerate anything, including rape, in the name of Tolerance.

In the name of Inclusiveness they give in to terror, and so, an hour after the attack, another Member of Parliament told the BBC:

“We will never give in to terror.”

Have you tried getting on a plane lately – without being near strip-searched? Every big city has quadrupled its police force and its intelligence gathering operations. Walls have gone up all over Europe – and we are building a wall. Check points everywhere. Constant alerts – if you see something, say something.

What is that? That is giving in to terror, and it’s happening all over, and electing a Muslim as London’s mayor stopped nothing.

Over the months, Mayor Sadiq Khan has called Trump’s proposed travel pause offensive and “ridiculous.”

Now what’s he say?

Kahn also said that every big city around the world ought to be ready and to expect terror attacks.


No, Sir, we never expected any such business until we shut our eyes and flung our doors and borders wide open.

New York-based bestselling American novelist Jack Engelhard writes regularly for Arutz Sheva. His books, including “The Bathsheba Deadline,” are available from Amazon and other retailers. Engelhard wrote the international bestseller “Indecent Proposal” and the award-winning Montreal memoir “Escape from Mount Moriah.” His latest is “News Anchor Sweetheart.” He is the recipient of the Ben Hecht Award for Literary Excellence. Website: www.jackengelhard.com

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/20307

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security provided Trump with a report that detailed how the countries on his ban list do not send terrorists our way, so to portray him as trying to protect America is fallacious.

He made his bigoted, ignorant fans a promise during the election that he desperately wants to keep. Unfortunately for all of them, it violates the United States constitution to require a religious test to enter the country, or to block someone from legally entering the country except in cases of national emergency.

The judges who have knocked down his ban attempts didn't do that because they're tolerant of rape, it is because they took oaths to uphold the constitution. He did too, but you see how easily he breaks promises:

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Syl wrote:They have also interviewed family of his first wife who fled in terror from him because he beat her up and tried to control every aspect of her life.
He abandoned his  second partner who he had two children with.
Various people who knew him describe him as a psychopath and a trouble causer.

Far better to know the truth about a person like this, better than when deranged murderers are being described as nice ordinary kind neighbours and friends, which sometimes happens after the event.

Tommy Monk wrote:

How can they 'sort out the prisons'...?

Stop arresting and prosecuting Muslim criminals?

They've been doing that already for 20 years by covering up the huge numbers of pakistani Muslim child rape gangs up and down the country...

But even still, there are so many Muslim criminals about over here that they make up about 13% of prison population while only about 3% of general public population!!!

Jules wrote:Masood the evil fiend got radicalised in prison. He came out a changed man. Sort out the prisons urgently!!

eddie wrote:

Jules wrote:Masood the evil fiend got radicalised in prison. He came out a changed man. Sort out the prisons urgently!!

On LBC talk radio yesterday, there were quite a few prison officers ringing in saying that when the news broke of the twrroist act, the Muslim prisoners went into high celebrations and cheering.
That wasn't on the main news though.