Shooting and stabbing at Westminster.

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes... but what I'm saying is the news reports have been very low numbers given for injured...

veya_victaous wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm surprised he could go so fast. Where was all the usual traffic?

Tommy Monk wrote:I've already said... he was driving up the cycle Lane and the pavement...

magica wrote:I hope Mahood is suffering in hell, the bastard

That poor lady, another life lost and for what

Lord Foul wrote:Well it galls me to have to say this

but all you "poor victims" and "so sad" cryers

TOUGH......

you want multiculturalism, and "tolerance" etc, you promote lack of discipline amongst youngsters (and self discipline most of all) and you enjoin "care and sympathy/ humane treatment of those monsters we DO manage to imprison.........well you got it ...enjoy it.

your society is on its way DOWN


AND this is also related to the "educational achievment thread" its true britsish education is being dumbed down, AND veya is wrong that its NOT the teachers,or at least tose teachers who become "educational theorists

se we in the west have allowed these idiots to get away with "mixed ability teaching" and "free association"
class rooms

the eastern nations ...they are STILL using the sit down shut up face front ...now repeat after me ..."one two is two" "two two are four" approach

coincidence...I think not.

their kids dont go around on first name terms with teachers...their schools are run like a military establishment...

coincidence...i think not.....

etc....


as said...you wanted.....you got....

Lord Foul wrote:Well it galls me to have to say this

but all you "poor victims" and "so sad" cryers

TOUGH......

you want multiculturalism, and "tolerance" etc, you promote lack of discipline amongst youngsters (and self discipline most of all) and you enjoin "care and sympathy/ humane treatment of those monsters we DO manage to imprison.........well you got it ...enjoy it.

your society is on its way DOWN


AND this is also related to the "educational achievment thread" its true britsish education is being dumbed down, AND veya is wrong that its NOT the teachers,or at least tose teachers who become "educational theorists

se we in the west have allowed these idiots to get away with "mixed ability teaching" and "free association"
class rooms

the eastern nations ...they are STILL using the sit down shut up face front ...now repeat after me ..."one two is two" "two two are four" approach

coincidence...I think not.

their kids dont go around on first name terms with teachers...their schools are run like a military establishment...

coincidence...i think not.....

etc....


as said...you wanted.....you got....

nicko wrote:When my eldest Son came out of the Army he got a job as a teacher.
After a few days he said he could not believe how the pupils behaved.
They messed about in class ,did not listen to the teachers, and in short , behaved how they wanted.   On the second day he was there he got the kids to stand when he came in, a few days later they called him "Sir".  Every class has it's bully and his class had one,My son asked him if he would like some boxing lessons in the Gym after School,he asked him in front of the class,and not surprisingly he declined.  My Son got talking to him after School, he said his Dad hit him and his mom.  In a while other pupils came up to ask his advice on various things.   Other teachers asked him how he had turned the class around,   his answer was he treated them sternly but fairly.

Syl wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:Well it galls me to have to say this

but all you "poor victims" and "so sad" cryers

TOUGH......

you want multiculturalism, and "tolerance" etc, you promote lack of discipline amongst youngsters (and self discipline most of all) and you enjoin "care and sympathy/ humane treatment of those monsters we DO manage to imprison.........well you got it ...enjoy it.

your society is on its way DOWN


AND this is also related to the "educational achievment thread" its true britsish education is being dumbed down, AND veya is wrong that its NOT the teachers,or at least tose teachers who become "educational theorists

se we in the west have allowed these idiots to get away with "mixed ability teaching" and "free association"
class rooms

the eastern nations ...they are STILL using the sit down shut up face front ...now repeat after me ..."one two is two" "two two are four" approach

coincidence...I think not.

their kids dont go around on first name terms with teachers...their schools are run like a military establishment...

coincidence...i think not.....

etc....


as said...you wanted.....you got....

That's a load of bolox if you don't mind me saying so.

Because people welcome others into society, expect fair play, speak out when they see discrimination against anyone, including their own, say forthrightly that though immigration is good is has to be controlled (which usually provokes cries of racism from keyboard idiots) doesn't mean they want to see standards slip, in schools or anywhere else come to that.

I don't see anyone applauding hatred, which has nothing to do with multiculturism anyway, I don't see anyone NOT condemning terrorist attacks or Asian gangs of rapists, or teachers who at best want to be 'bessie mates' with their pupils...or at worst have an agenda to twist young minds..... and if they do they are probably weak minded Corbyn supporters anyway.

Thorin wrote:So you are blaming hate not on the haters, but on those who support Multiculturalism or who are multiculturalists?

Sorry how does that work?

So by your reasoning, Hitler and the Nazi's were not at fault for hating Jews. It was people who were Jews and supported the right of German Jews?

Please explain how you perceive that Far Right or Far left haters have an excuse for their hate? As you are perceiving.

What you are basically saying is that you must agree with the likes of Nick Griffin, to even insinuate his hate is formed by Multiculturalism and not racism itself?

Lord Foul wrote:and multiculturalism HAS got (almost ) everything to do with hatered in this country....

Syl wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:Well it galls me to have to say this

but all you "poor victims" and "so sad" cryers

TOUGH......

you want multiculturalism, and "tolerance" etc, you promote lack of discipline amongst youngsters (and self discipline most of all) and you enjoin "care and sympathy/ humane treatment of those monsters we DO manage to imprison.........well you got it ...enjoy it.

your society is on its way DOWN


AND this is also related to the "educational achievment thread" its true britsish education is being dumbed down, AND veya is wrong that its NOT the teachers,or at least tose teachers who become "educational theorists

se we in the west have allowed these idiots to get away with "mixed ability teaching" and "free association"
class rooms

the eastern nations ...they are STILL using the sit down shut up face front ...now repeat after me ..."one two is two" "two two are four" approach

coincidence...I think not.

their kids dont go around on first name terms with teachers...their schools are run like a military establishment...

coincidence...i think not.....

etc....


as said...you wanted.....you got....

That's a load of bolox if you don't mind me saying so.

Because people welcome others into society, expect fair play, speak out when they see discrimination against anyone, including their own, say forthrightly that though immigration is good is has to be controlled (which usually provokes cries of racism from keyboard idiots) doesn't mean they want to see standards slip, in schools or anywhere else come to that.

I don't see anyone applauding hatred, which has nothing to do with multiculturism anyway, I don't see anyone NOT condemning terrorist attacks or Asian gangs of rapists, or teachers who at best want to be 'bessie mates' with their pupils...or at worst have an agenda to twist young minds..... and if they do they are probably weak minded Corbyn supporters anyway.

Lord Foul wrote:

Syl wrote:

That's a load of bolox if you don't mind me saying so.

Because people welcome others into society, expect fair play, speak out when they see discrimination against anyone, including their own, say forthrightly that though immigration is good is has to be controlled (which usually provokes cries of racism from keyboard idiots) doesn't mean they want to see standards slip, in schools or anywhere else come to that.

I don't see anyone applauding hatred, which has nothing to do with multiculturism anyway, I don't see anyone NOT condemning terrorist attacks or Asian gangs of rapists, or teachers who at best want to be 'bessie mates' with their pupils...or at worst have an agenda to twist young minds..... and if they do they are probably weak minded Corbyn supporters anyway.

and ALL the above apologetica is negated by ONE single truth ......you dont want to do and wont accept anything EFFECTIVE being done about it..

and multiculturalism HAS got (almost ) everything to do with hatered in this country....

It provided the basis behind which the perpetrators can hide and the endless supply of victim cards for its supporters to use to hide their agenda
you ONLY have to look at how nick griffiths...vile man though he is, was treated when he ORIGINALLY warned of the goings on in rotherham....he was basically told keep quiet or you will be arrested?????????????

the whole POINT is that even authority is scared witless of the "multiculturalist"

and all the peasants can do is shake their heads and mutter "such a shame"

Thorin wrote:Lets reiterate what you said.

Lord Foul wrote:and multiculturalism HAS got (almost ) everything to do with hatered in this country....

That is claiming hate is formed not by xenophobia or racism, but Multiculturalism.

It was not multiculturalism that made the Police, the Social Services and the council hide the horrific crime of grooming gangs. It was people with illiberal and regressive beliefs. Placing a view of racism to anyone suggesting it could be a problem within the Pakistani community. So how is the wrongs done by some now Multiculturalism fault?

What you are fundamentally saying that. Anyone who identifies with being English and Englishness is a failure, due to crimes committed by English people. Whether that be slavery to anything. Are you claiming Englishness as a culture is a failure based on your reasoning?

So the point on Hitler is very valid when people invoke an excuse for hate to blame Multiculturalism being the cause of hate and not people who are illiberal and regressives for their acts. As if they and only they are the champions of Multiculturalism.

This is why your reasoning is flawed.

You forget that it was Ann Cryer that first spoke out about Grooming gangs and was not listened to. She took on this fight, to help the victims of this, to champion their cause. Nick Griffin used this as a means to promote his hate of Immigrants and Asians in particular.

So why did those gangs get away so long? Because of people irresponsible being in said positions, who took it upon themselves to disbelieve the victims. Something of which is not just found within grooming gangs, but countless victims of child sex abuse. So was the failure to act on English celebrities who were child sex offenders down to the failures of Englishness to you? Or was it down to people again committing in my eyes, a criminal offence by defending and covering for child sex abusers. In each situation, it was a crime that the victims were not listened to, but I don't see a charge from you, that the fault in the case of the celebrities or countless care homes. Was based on Englishness? Why is that?

So how is the conversation been shut down?

Are we still engaging in debate, or as seen are you looking for piss poor excuses for your poor views?

I mean if the failings and criminality of those who cover up crimes is going to be the bases for claiming something is a failure, like Multiculturalism and that its at fault for this hate. Where is the equilibrium view and claims on other crimes covered up?

So again, you are excusing hate not on the haters themselves and blaming not the people who covered up this, but to claim they are Multiculturalism from their criminality and thus its reasonable to hate Multiculturalism and its the cause of the majority of hate, based off your associations off some criminal people.

So maybe you can explain how you think a concept, that is simple the coming together of many cultures, is to blame and cause of most hate, for people abusing children and then other criminals covering this up?

nicko wrote:When he left after two years the pupils from 3 classes held up banners saying "please don't leave Sir".

He Tought 15 to 17 year olds.
He was a staff Sargent, Drill instructor and Unarmed Combat Instructor,  fought in the Falklands and both Gulf wars.
Has two "Mentioned in Dispatches"

Proud of him !

Thorin wrote:

Thorin wrote:Lets reiterate what you said.




That is claiming hate is formed not by xenophobia or racism, but Multiculturalism.

It was not multiculturalism that made the Police, the Social Services and the council hide the horrific crime of grooming gangs. It was people with illiberal and regressive beliefs. Placing a view of racism to anyone suggesting it could be a problem within the Pakistani community. So how is the wrongs done by some now Multiculturalism fault?

What you are fundamentally saying that. Anyone who identifies with being English and Englishness is a failure, due to crimes committed by English people. Whether that be slavery to anything. Are you claiming Englishness as a culture is a failure based on your reasoning?

So the point on Hitler is very valid when people invoke an excuse for hate to blame Multiculturalism being the cause of hate and not people who are illiberal and regressives for their acts. As if they and only they are the champions of Multiculturalism.

This is why your reasoning is flawed.

You forget that it was Ann Cryer that first spoke out about Grooming gangs and was not listened to. She took on this fight, to help the victims of this, to champion their cause. Nick Griffin used this as a means to promote his hate of Immigrants and Asians in particular.

So why did those gangs get away so long? Because of people irresponsible being in said positions, who took it upon themselves to disbelieve the victims. Something of which is not just found within grooming gangs, but countless victims of child sex abuse. So was the failure to act on English celebrities who were child sex offenders down to the failures of Englishness to you? Or was it down to people again committing in my eyes, a criminal offence by defending and covering for child sex abusers. In each situation, it was a crime that the victims were not listened to, but I don't see a charge from you, that the fault in the case of the celebrities or countless care homes. Was based on Englishness? Why is that?

So how is the conversation been shut down?

Are we still engaging in debate, or as seen are you looking for piss poor excuses for your poor views?

I mean if the failings and criminality of those who cover up crimes is going to be the bases for claiming something is a failure, like Multiculturalism and that its at fault for this hate. Where is the equilibrium view and claims on other crimes covered up?

So again, you are excusing hate not on the haters themselves and blaming not the people who covered up this, but to claim they are Multiculturalism from their criminality and thus its reasonable to hate Multiculturalism and its the cause of the majority of hate, based off your associations off some criminal people.

So maybe you can explain how you think a concept, that is simple the coming together of many cultures, is to blame and cause of most hate, for people abusing children and then other criminals covering this up?

Seems I have you stumped Lord Foul, my buddy?

And we both know why

My reasoning is sound..

You have every right to be critical of many things, but lets face it. You did badly inadvertently, provide an excuse for racist and xenophobic hate here. Based on your claim, Multiculturalism has got almost everything to do with hatred. When you should have been rightly showing that hate is formed from those who are in perceptual and irrational fear. That they require some form of security, surrounded by other bigots also in fear, to normalize and justify their hate of others.

So when I said you must agree with Nick, you did so inadvertently with him, by providing excuses for his hate.
Nick Griffin never cared one shit for the victims of grooming gangs. He only exploited the cover up as a means to promote his ideological hate. On the other hand everyone forgets Ann Cryer, who did care for the victims

Tommy Monk wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Seems I have you stumped Lord Foul, my buddy?

And we both know why

My reasoning is sound..

You have every right to be critical of many things, but lets face it. You did badly inadvertently, provide an excuse for racist and xenophobic hate here. Based on your claim, Multiculturalism has got almost everything to do with hatred. When you should have been rightly showing that hate is formed from those who are in perceptual and irrational fear. That they require some form of security, surrounded by other bigots also in fear, to normalize and justify their hate of others.

So when I said you must agree with Nick, you did so inadvertently with him, by providing excuses for his hate.
Nick Griffin never cared one shit for the victims of grooming gangs. He only exploited the cover up as a means to promote his ideological hate. On the other hand everyone forgets Ann Cryer, who did care for the victims

Don't talk wet...

Tommy Monk wrote:It was the insidious leftie culture in both the BBC and the local authorities that allowed the crimes to continue... and that vilified griffin for speaking out as he did...


Even when griffin was facing trial... for speaking out... the judge told him that although he may be telling the truth about the existence of the Pakistani Muslim gangs of child rapists, that it was no defence for it being racist to say so!!!

Lord Foul wrote:

Syl wrote:

That's a load of bolox if you don't mind me saying so.

Because people welcome others into society, expect fair play, speak out when they see discrimination against anyone, including their own, say forthrightly that though immigration is good is has to be controlled (which usually provokes cries of racism from keyboard idiots) doesn't mean they want to see standards slip, in schools or anywhere else come to that.

I don't see anyone applauding hatred, which has nothing to do with multiculturism anyway, I don't see anyone NOT condemning terrorist attacks or Asian gangs of rapists, or teachers who at best want to be 'bessie mates' with their pupils...or at worst have an agenda to twist young minds..... and if they do they are probably weak minded Corbyn supporters anyway.

and ALL the above apologetica is negated by ONE single truth ......you dont want to do and wont accept anything EFFECTIVE being done about it..

and multiculturalism HAS got (almost ) everything to do with hatered in this country....

It provided the basis behind which the perpetrators can hide and the endless supply of victim cards for its supporters to use to hide their agenda
you ONLY have to look at how nick griffiths...vile man though he is, was treated when he ORIGINALLY warned of the goings on in rotherham....he was basically told keep quiet or you will be arrested?????????????

the whole POINT is that even authority is scared witless of the "multiculturalist"

and all the peasants can do is shake their heads and mutter "such a shame"

Tommy Monk wrote:

Syl wrote:

That's a load of bolox if you don't mind me saying so.

Because people welcome others into society, expect fair play, speak out when they see discrimination against anyone, including their own, say forthrightly that though immigration is good is has to be controlled (which usually provokes cries of racism from keyboard idiots) doesn't mean they want to see standards slip, in schools or anywhere else come to that.

I don't see anyone applauding hatred, which has nothing to do with multiculturism anyway, I don't see anyone NOT condemning terrorist attacks or Asian gangs of rapists, or teachers who at best want to be 'bessie mates' with their pupils...or at worst have an agenda to twist young minds..... and if they do they are probably weak minded Corbyn supporters anyway.

You are both right... up until the bit I highlighted in Syl's post...

Of course nobody is applauding hatred... but people have genuine and legitimate reasons to be against mass immigration, and to dislike the way that the law is not applied equally to those of other immigrant backgrounds/cultures here as it would be to white british people (FGM is one clear example where girls of certain ethnic/cultural/religious backgrounds are well known to be getting brutally mutilated by forcibly getting half their fannys chopped off by back Street butcher women, and under the direct say so of their parents... but not one prosecution!!! Even though we know full well about it, and in many cases the nhs has had the job of trying to repair the damaged parts!!! And we know full well that if it was some white british parents inflicting this onto their daughters, the action taken against them by authorities would be instant and they would have the book thrown at them!!!)


And it isn't true that everyone was condemning the Pakistani Muslim gangs of child rapists... many in positions of power in local councils and police forces were actively denying the goings on and actively working against others who were speaking out about it...!!!


Also... although the vast majority of people being normal and right minded... want schools to have an environment of authority and discipline about them and the way the teachers conduct themselves and the lessons etc... we don't want the leftie style claptrap where teachers are trying to be the kids best mates and/or trying to be cool etc... normal people do condemn that behaviour... !

Tommy Monk wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

and ALL the above apologetica is negated by ONE single truth ......you dont want to do and wont accept anything EFFECTIVE being done about it..

and multiculturalism HAS got (almost ) everything to do with hatered in this country....

It provided the basis behind which the perpetrators can hide and the endless supply of victim cards for its supporters to use to hide their agenda
you ONLY have to look at how nick griffiths...vile man though he is, was treated when he ORIGINALLY warned of the goings on in rotherham....he was basically told keep quiet or you will be arrested?????????????

the whole POINT is that even authority is scared witless of the "multiculturalist"

and all the peasants can do is shake their heads and mutter "such a shame"

I thought he was arrested and prosecuted (twice, for racism?) for speaking out about it...?


And I think he was first speaking out about things back in around 2003... but it took another 10 years of denials and cover ups by lib/lab/con local councils/MPs and govts, and by a multitude of senior officers in a widespread number of local police forces, and from huge numbers of other senior people working in other various parts of the range of different local authorities... before the reluctant acknowledgements of the existence of such gangs, and the even more reluctant admissions that they had been known about for over a decade... and also the shockingly lame attempt to excuse their failures to act and their deliberate attempts to cover it all up, as being down to 'political correctness/cultural sensitivity' and not wanting to show Muslims in a bad light or revealing things that might portray a negative image!!!


Can you fucking believe how twisted these people really are!!!???


These are the types of leftie twats who we have in vast numbers throughout every level of local councils and other local authorities and public services here in uk!!!

Thorin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Don't talk wet...

What is "talking wet" to Tommy?

If he actually understood the meaning of talking wet?
Maybe he could point out how, he thinks,? I insulted Lord Rags here? Or in reality, Nick Griffin?

Maybe Tommy can show the money Nick Griffin or the BNP donating towards victims families and trials?

No?

Can you do that Tommy?

Can you show why he never protested any child sex abuse case, that had English abusers?

Why is that Tommy?

I mean did you promote the dangers of English people like Jimmy Savile, Tommy?

Tommy Monk wrote:

It was the lefties in the BBC and the lefties in local authorities who covered up for the scumbags...


When was it that griffin knew about saville but chose to say nothing...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

So griffin is a racist for daring to speak out about the Pakistani Muslim gangs of child rapists that he had found out about... as well as being a racist for not speaking out about savilles crimes, that he didn't know about...!?


I think the real point is that it was lefties in the BBC as well as the lefties In local govt/authorities who covered it all up for so long that you should really have issue with...!?

Thorin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Don't talk wet...

What is "talking wet" to Tommy?

If he actually understood the meaning of talking wet?
Maybe he could point out how, he thinks,? I insulted Lord Rags here? Or in reality, Nick Griffin?

Maybe Tommy can show the money Nick Griffin or the BNP donating towards victims families and trials?

No?

Can you do that Tommy?

Can you show why he never protested any child sex abuse case, that had English abusers?

Why is that Tommy?

I mean did you promote the dangers of English people like Jimmy Savile, Tommy?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


What is "talking wet" to Tommy?

If he actually understood the meaning of talking wet?
Maybe he could point out how, he thinks,? I insulted Lord Rags here? Or in reality, Nick Griffin?

Maybe Tommy can show the money Nick Griffin or the BNP donating towards victims families and trials?

No?

Can you do that Tommy?

Can you show why he never protested any child sex abuse case, that had English abusers?

Why is that Tommy?

I mean did you promote the dangers of English people like Jimmy Savile, Tommy?

Lady Rags if you don't mind. I think you mean Lord Foul.

The point is that it's a case of "give a dog a bad name". Nick Griffin was right but nobody took it seriously because it was him who said it.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Lady Rags if you don't mind. I think you mean Lord Foul.

The point is that it's a case of "give a dog a bad name". Nick Griffin was right but nobody took it seriously because it was him who said it.

My Mistake, I did mean Lord foul and not Tubbymuffins

Nobody took Ann Cryer seriously and she has mountains more credibility than a low life racist like Nick Griffin.

So your point is both meaningless and pointless.

The fact is the man tried to exploit the victims and did so for a racist agenda.

Like I said, where was here and his racist chums at the trials of countless English child sex abusers, who had their crimes covered up for years?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


My Mistake, I did mean Lord foul and not Tubbymuffins

Nobody took Ann Cryer seriously and she has mountains more credibility than a low life racist like Nick Griffin.

So your point is both meaningless and pointless.

The fact is the man tried to exploit the victims and did so for a racist agenda.

Like I said, where was here and his racist chums at the trials of countless English child sex abusers, who had their crimes covered up for years?

You must admit though, DaftDigey, that Nick Griffins was always shouted down because of who he was.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You must admit though, DaftDigey, that Nick Griffins was always shouted down because of who he was.

Well tubbymuffins, why was Ann Cryer shouted down?

She is not racist, yet nobody wanted to listen to her.

Like I said your point is meaningless and she had brought this up well before Nick, jumped on this bandwagon to exploit the victims

At least she actually fought for the victims of child sex abuse.

Nick Griffin as see never gave one fuck about the victims of child sex abuse. If he did, he and his party would have been at countless court cases protesting. Yet they never did.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Well tubbymuffins, why was Ann Cryer shouted down?

She is not racist, yet nobody wanted to listen to her.

Like I said your point is meaningless and she had brought this up well before Nick, jumped on this bandwagon to exploit the victims

At least she actually fought for the victims of child sex abuse.

Nick Griffin as see never gave one fuck about the victims of child sex abuse. If he did, he and his party would have been at countless court cases protesting. Yet they never did.

He was expelled from the party in 2014 DaftDidgey.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

He was expelled from the party in 2014 DaftDidgey.

What has that got to do with anything tubbymuffins?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


What has that got to do with anything tubbymuffins?

He couldn't have been at any trials with his party after then. Being at a trial before then would not have necessarily indicated concern for the victims. The presence of the BNP would be seen as disruptive, and perhaps he knew that.

Raggamuffin wrote:Anyway, the point is that nobody took him seriously because of who he was.

Thorin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

So griffin is a racist for daring to speak out about the Pakistani Muslim gangs of child rapists that he had found out about... as well as being a racist for not speaking out about savilles crimes, that he didn't know about...!?


I think the real point is that it was lefties in the BBC as well as the lefties In local govt/authorities who covered it all up for so long that you should really have issue with...!?

No Griffin is racist, because he is against mixed racial unions and is racist scum.
Griffin is racist because he exploited the situation of grooming gangs to use as a political campaign to attempt to get his racist party elected.

It failed, because the BNP did not give a fuck about the victims of child sex abuse. They instead disgustingly used the victims to promote their racist hate.

Their stupidity, even nearly cost one of the cases being thrown out

Where was Nick Griffin or the BNP at the trial of Rolf Harris?

Was he too white for them to protest?

I think the real point is again you defend racist low life scum.

That is the real issue here.