Jo Cox death: Suspect linked to far-right group that has campaigned against the EU

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The link between Thomas Mair and the Springbok Club goes back ten years



The man arrested over the killing of Labour MP Jo Cox is believed to have had long-term links with a hard-right group based in London which had been campaigning for many years for Britain to leave the European Union.

Thomas Mair was named as a supporter in an online publication of the Springbok Club, an organisation which has defended the white supremacist apartheid regime in South Africa.

Witnesses to the fatal attack on Ms Cox say they heard Mair shout “Britain First” as the MP was shot and then stabbed. The organisation Britain First, which was founded by former members of the British National Party, has denied that Mair was associated with it and say they condemn the killing.
The link between Mair and the Springbok Club goes back ten years when its online magazine, the Springbok Cyber Newsletter, was inquiring about the whereabouts of “Thomas Mair, from Batley in Yorkshire [who] was one of the earliest subscribers and supporters of “S.A. Patriot” who has moved from his address in the Fieldhead Estate district of the town.”

The leading article for June 2016 Springbok Cyber Newsletter, which describes itself on its website as being pro-free market capitalism and patriotism and anti-political correctness, was, however, devoted to Britain and the referendum. It started: “On Thursday, 23rd June 2016 all British voters will have the opportunity to vote on the future of their country. They can vote either to remain entrapped in the artificial and retrograde European Union, or to regain their sovereign independence....”

The article ends by declaring: “But we should not only be concentrating at the negative aspects of remaining in the EU. Our campaign should be primarily positive and optimistic for a future outside the EU. The motto of the Patriotic Forum (an umbrella grouping of patriotic organisations which the Springbok Club is part of) is “Out of Europe and into the World”. There is a golden future waiting for Britain out there once the country returns to its traditional vision of looking towards the Open Seas and its ethnic brothers and sisters in the Commonwealth around the globe. The days ahead will inspire us!”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jo-cox-dead-thomas-mair-suspect-south-africa-apartheid-a7086426.html


And that is just the beginning, there is so much more coming out about him.

eddie wrote:Oh calm down Didge fgs
The football has been on and tbh I'd hardly call anything that's happened on this thread an "omg!" moment

But I saw abuse was being clamped down on, so now its how you view abuse, again i guess in who says it

Stop talking shit Eddie

So, what was the consensus? Photos faked?

I think that the banner pic is a photoshop fake too!!!


Zoom in on bits of the enlarged pic that Christie posted up and you can see heavy pixelated areas and anomalies... even the 'customer care' shop in the background looks altered... and a no entry sign on the right of pic is all wrong!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Christie wrote:

The photo was taken October 11, 2015

Link

http://tellmamauk.org/the-only-extremists-we-see-are-the-britain-first-sympathisers-here/


Anyhow, there is no real evidence that the man in this photo is Tommy Mair. It would seem that anyone with a remote likeness, from that area and wearing a baseball cap is Tommy Mair.

Thanks Christie...


By looking at this image you posted, the heavy pixelated bits are evident in many places on it... and all look like they have been where alterations have happened...!!!



Oh dear sassy and Bru!!!



Can everyone else see what I'm saying...!?

See the heavy pixelated areas and anomalies...?

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2016/06/thomas-mair-britain-first-protest.html

HoratioTarr wrote:

Syl wrote:

Did you do that or has it been published?
The top pic looks false, but were it not next to the clearer bottom pic I doubt anyone would know.

edit...on second thoughts, the sun loungers in the bottom pic look odd....so that might be the photo   shopped one.

The fact that you're not sure which is real and which isn't, is rather interesting.

I think both look altered...!

So let me just ask, does anybody actually think little Thomas wanted to stay in the EU?

Ben Reilly wrote:So let me just ask, does anybody actually think little Thomas wanted to stay in the EU?

I have already answered these points, and I am not allowed to post them again, so who is at fault here for why you fail to read in regards to this.
I think the hype of brexit has played a part which has led to him becoming incited to commit violence, just as we see the hate narative within the Islam camp against the west which you constantly deny.
You see i do not deny links that could have caused him to commit this horrific crime and I do not buy the mental health excuse either

Didge wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:So let me just ask, does anybody actually think little Thomas wanted to stay in the EU?

I have already answered these points, and I am not allowed to post them again, so who is at fault here for why you fail to read in regards to this.
I think the hype of brexit has played a part which has led to him becoming incited to commit violence, just as we see the hate narative within the Islam camp against the west which you constantly deny.
You see i do not deny links that could have caused him to commit this horrific crime and I do not buy the mental health excuse either

You're not forbidden from repeating a point which you feel has been overlooked (for fuck's sake). We're not lawyers, we're people trying to make the forum better. Something you seem to wish to deny us ...

You should look into the diversity of the Islamic world and realize that most Muslims are against the sort of violence that a small minority have carried out in the name of their religion -- just like most people of any religious faith are against the violence small minorities carry out in the name of their religions.

Oh, and stop accusing people of doing things they're not actually doing -- that would be a big step.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:


I have already answered these points, and I am not allowed to post them again, so who is at fault here for why you fail to read in regards to this.
I think the hype of brexit has played a part which has led to him becoming incited to commit violence, just as we see the hate narative within the Islam camp against the west which you constantly deny.
You see i do not deny links that could have caused him to commit this horrific crime and I do not buy the mental health excuse either

You're not forbidden from repeating a point which you feel has been overlooked (for fuck's sake). We're not lawyers, we're people trying to make the forum better. Something you seem to wish to deny us ...

You should look into the diversity of the Islamic world and realize that most Muslims are against the sort of violence that a small minority have carried out in the name of their religion -- just like most people of any religious faith are against the violence small minorities carry out in the name of their religions.

Oh, and stop accusing people of doing things they're not actually doing -- that would be a big step.

i think you shold stop being rude and trying to wind me up knowing my position
Lok if you want me to leave then say so, as its apparant you are in fear of my views to the exten you have been down right rude to me and showing the worst example here for all to see.
You see I already know most Muslims are good people and this is the bog standard answer from apologists on the left.
They are not the issue, its the subtsnacial tens of millions of Muslims who are still a minority that back extremist ideology and this is what you fail to grasp. You go off those who do good and ignore the numbers who do bad.
This is the fail lefty ideology

MI5 were informed of Thomas Mair’s links to neo-Nazi organisations in 2000

Thomas Mair is portrayed by the right-wing tabloids as being ‘mentally ill’ – a label usually reserved for those perpetrators of a political assassination if they are white. But Mair’s far-right, neo-Nazi links not only span decades but countries: a network of hate and racism that knows no bounds. The network, both formally and informally, links fascist organisations and tendencies globally. In Mair’s case, his links extend to organisations that span at least three continents. Mair is charged with the murder of Jo Cox MP, who was a lifelong campaigner of human rights and spearheaded many humanitarian causes. She was just the sort of person Mair and his fascist associates detested. Some may believe his alleged vile act was not premeditated, but his history proves otherwise. That Mair allegedly chose to carry out the act in the lead up to the EU Referendum speaks volumes. Below is a mapping of the trail of hate that provides the topographical context to Mair’s beliefs and motivations. Moreover, what this trail shows is that Mair and his hate-filed colleagues were the subject of surveillance by an MI5 (and FBI) informer as far back as 2000.



Photo showing, allegedly, Tom Mair holding Britain First banner (Dewsbury, 2015)

In the meantime Mair’s fascist friends – erstwhile or otherwise – no longer deny him, but rather have escalated their campaign, suggesting that more similar targets may be planned, such as ‘direct action’ against Mr Sadiiq Khan, the newly elected mayor of London.

Trail of Hate: the Britain First hub (source: not known)

Britain First grew out of the British National Party. Currently there is a by-election in Birstall, following Jo Cox’s death. The only person standing against Labour will be Jack Buckby, a former BNP politician (see photo below of the candidate with long-time BNP leader Nick Griffin).

BNP pals: Nick Griffin with Jack Buckby

Thomas Mair had a long history of links to racist and far right organisations and it is now well known that as far back as the late 1990s he planned to shoot and bomb (in that he purchased the instructions for making a gun and explosives). He was also fascinated by the Nazi ideology (he possessed a manual on Nazi practice authored by Adolf Hitler). His links to far right organisations included the Springbok Club (white supremacists) and via that organisation to similar supremacist organisations in the USA – notably the National Alliance.

A. The US link
According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the National Alliance was for decades the most dangerous and best organized neo-Nazi formation in America. Explicitly genocidal in its ideology, NA materials called for the eradication of Jews and other races and the creation of an all-white homeland.

National Alliance members displaying their Nazi interests

National Alliance produced assassins, bombers and bank robbers. William Pierce, the founder of NA, penned a novel, The Turner Diaries, which notoriously became the inspiration for Timothy McVeigh’s 1995 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City (that left 168 people, including 19 children, dead) and many other acts of terror. Pierce once described how he hoped to lock Jews, “race traitors” and other enemies of the “Aryan” race into cattle cars and send them to the bottom of abandoned coal mines. In all, NA members were connected to at least 14 violent crimes between 1984 and 2005, including bank robberies, shootouts with police and, in Florida, a plan to bomb the main approach to Disney World.

At its height, in the 1990s, the National Alliance had chapters in several European countries and 1400 members. In the years after the death of Pierce in 2003, after a series of embarrassing revelations, National Alliance disintegrated.

B. MI5 knew of Mair’s fascist connections
According to Hatewatch, in May 2000 Thomas Mair and several other fascists met in a private room at a pub near the Strand, as attested by Todd Blodgett, an American who was then a paid informant for the FBI and who also met up regularly with MI5.
Blodgett had helped arrange the meeting at the request of William Pierce, then head of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. According to Blodgett, Mair was loosely affiliated with the Leeds chapter of the National Alliance, “He talked about a book he read by [David] Irving,” an infamous British Holocaust denier.

Others who met at the London pub included Stephen Cartwright, who was affiliated with the Scottish branch of the BNP, and Richard Barnbrook, a BNP member who in 2008 won election to a seat on the London Assembly.
The meeting was organised by Mark Cotterill, a Briton who was in the United States as the head of the American Friends of the British National Party and working to raise funds for the BNP.  Days after the meeting, Blodgett met with John Tyndall, who had been deposed in 1999 as leader of the BNP and replaced by Nick Griffin.

Details of the meeting, including Mair’s attendance, would have been provided to MI5 (and the FBI).

C. The Swinton Circle
According to World Social Website, the Springbok Club was associated with the Swinton Circle, which was set up as a Conservative Party fringe group in the 1960s by admirers of Tory right-wing xenophobe Enoch Powell. The Swinton Circle publication Tough Talking from the Right “held a special readers’ meeting and buffet in the City of London only recently, where the guest speaker was Mr. Nigel Farage MEP, the co-president of the Independence and Democracy Group in the European Parliament.”.

In 2014, Liam Fox and Owen Paterson, two former Conservative government cabinet ministers and now prominent Leave supporters, addressed separate meetings of the London Swinton Circle. In 1998, then-Conservative MP Neil Hamilton, who later defected to UKIP, spoke at a meeting of the Springbok Club.

D. The Greek connection and the Euro-wide dimension
According to XYZ Contagion, during the last week in March 2012, southern California National Alliance member MP and Alliance supporter “TH” visited Greece and spent a week with members and officials of Golden Dawn. (Source: The website of Annex Sacramento California Alliance of National, ‘ The Rising Sun Heralds The Golden Dawn ‘, 05/05/2012.)

5th International meeting of Nationalist and Social Forces, Greece

In October 1998 the ‘5th European Conference of Nationalist and Social Forces’ was held in Thessaloniki. Among the participants were Wiliam Pierce (head of National Alliance), Florentine S. Rost van Tonningen-Heubel (head of Danish Nazi Party) and Matt Koehln (leader of ‘National Socialist International’ WUNS). Others representatives from Portugal, Romania, Flanders, Denmark, Netherlands, Germany, South Africa and Austria. Hosted by fascist Golden Dawn.


https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/mi5-monitored-thomas-mairs-links-to-neo-nazi-organsations-since-2000/

And of course, there are those that will claim this is a lie and he was just mentally ill.   Well perhaps he was, but he was still a RW extremist.

You love your photoshop fake bullshit don't you sassquatch...!?


Look at the last photo on the right... bloke in black has 2 faces!!!

sassy wrote:And of course, there are those that will claim this is a lie and he was just mentally ill.   Well perhaps he was, but he was still a RW extremist.

Well that is your bog standard answer for Muslim terrorists.

At least I do not buy into souch things

As hate leads to violence and we have seen that in practice and with evidence of the many Palestinian youths incited by online falsified propaganda to instil hate, which caused many to commit to violence and yet you simply do not learn from that.

Tommy Monk wrote:You love your photoshop fake bullshit don't you sassquatch...!?


Look at the last photo on the right... bloke in black has 2 faces!!!

Isn't that two men sitting closely together?

Its a very small table for two to be sitting there... and who's holding the paper in front of him/them...?

One of them holding the paper the othe has his hands in his lap?

Or... dodgy photoshop fake...

Maybe. But I need convincing

Open pic in a viewer and zoom into area..

Tommy why would they photoshop it? What are you saying? What would be the reason?

eddie wrote:
Maybe. But I need convincing

Maybe you both need psychiatric help...

Or a better brand of whacky weed..

Yet your contributions to this forum are snide and nasty and just downright hateful about most people, whereas Tommy just doesn't stoop that low.

And neither will I actually.