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The Swiss Citizenship of Two Muslim Boys is At Risk After Handshake Controversy
by Guest Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:24 am
First topic message reminder :
Earlier this month, I posted about how two Muslim boys in Switzerland were at the center of controversy because they refused to shake their female teacher’s hand before and after class. They didn’t want to follow the longtime Swiss tradition because their religion, they claim, won’t allow them to touch women who aren’t family members.
Administrators at the school compromised by saying the boys didn’t have to shake the hands of any of their teachers male or female, which only angered the public even more.
And now it may be getting even worse for the boys:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/04/22/the-swiss-citizenship-of-two-Muslim-boys-is-at-risk-after-handshake-controversy/
Earlier this month, I posted about how two Muslim boys in Switzerland were at the center of controversy because they refused to shake their female teacher’s hand before and after class. They didn’t want to follow the longtime Swiss tradition because their religion, they claim, won’t allow them to touch women who aren’t family members.
Administrators at the school compromised by saying the boys didn’t have to shake the hands of any of their teachers male or female, which only angered the public even more.
And now it may be getting even worse for the boys:
I want to believe this is normal behavior, but who knows. If it’s tied in any way to the boys’ actions, I would find it a gross overreaction. As I said before, students shouldn’t be forced to participate in traditions that go against their beliefs, no matter what their reasons are. I’m certainly not defending the students’ faith-based sexism; I just don’t find this tradition worth all the fuss. It doesn’t matter if you’re not standing for the Pledge or not shaking a female teacher’s hand. None of it has any bearing on your education.The family of the two teenagers, who refused to shake their female teachers’ hands for religious reasons, have had their application for citizenship suspended. A spokesperson for the local security authorities said that the office for migration in canton Basel Country would be speaking to family members individually, and that it was not unusual for an application to be suspended while additional information was gathered.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/04/22/the-swiss-citizenship-of-two-Muslim-boys-is-at-risk-after-handshake-controversy/
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Re: The Swiss Citizenship of Two Muslim Boys is At Risk After Handshake Controversy
by Guest Sat May 28, 2016 10:35 pm
1) Incorrect, in my mind there are many terrorists, but the most pressing and more prevalant wuth attacks are those found that follow Islam. Which it seems you struggle to understand or even follow. The questions is then why? Simply because you like other leftist followers wrongly believe that to castigate beliefs, will wrongly make you prejudice against the believer. It does not, they are human, like everyone else and can and do change. Beliefs stay in their core values and beliefs the same, they just adapt and vary.
2) I understand fundementally about the huge issue around the Neo-Conservative Christians in the US, many of them evangelical, Born agains, etc. Nobody is denying this is an issue, but it pails into comparrison of the actual violence and acts of terror daily committed by Muslim terrorists. There is nothing comparable in the US, in terms of malice, butchery and barbarism.
3) Boring, you seem to have reached a point where you have nothing of value to counbter with, so instead you turn onto me, as if this will get you looking clever after failing on your first two points. Your need to try and deligitimize me, is what drives you more than actually seeing what is being stated. In other words it blinds you, as being right is all that matters to you, that you are so addicted, you will forego reason, in order to win.
Knock yourself put if you wish to talk about me, you just render your own argument redundent and just allow me to repay in kind, without diminishing my own rational reasons offerd to you.
4) Case closed, you have thus gone into full blown rant moide that your last two paragraphs, failed to make any point on the debate we were having. You simply wanted to look big, failing in the process, because you went after me and not actually thinking about how to address the points made.
Conclusion:
People who believe that they are defending someone by reasoning that their beliefs should be protected, even at the cost of effecting others, and simply because they believe they will be perceived as prejudice. Are nothing more than insecure people. They do not care for anyone, but how others perceive them. Thus, they are so driven by wanting to be liked, that they again allow their own needs, which blinds them to what is in front of their face.These kind of people, were the same that never thought Hiter was a threat and how wrong they were.
Here is a perfect example, the debate was over the minute I played the rational reason card.
That happens to be full of facts, evidence and most of all. The ability to prove something is fundementally wrong. When this happens, those led by their emotions, and insecurities, understand, they have no counter. So they are left instead, looking to deligitimize me. When instead, it then allows me to repay in kind and know full well, you simply had no answer to my points
2) I understand fundementally about the huge issue around the Neo-Conservative Christians in the US, many of them evangelical, Born agains, etc. Nobody is denying this is an issue, but it pails into comparrison of the actual violence and acts of terror daily committed by Muslim terrorists. There is nothing comparable in the US, in terms of malice, butchery and barbarism.
3) Boring, you seem to have reached a point where you have nothing of value to counbter with, so instead you turn onto me, as if this will get you looking clever after failing on your first two points. Your need to try and deligitimize me, is what drives you more than actually seeing what is being stated. In other words it blinds you, as being right is all that matters to you, that you are so addicted, you will forego reason, in order to win.
Knock yourself put if you wish to talk about me, you just render your own argument redundent and just allow me to repay in kind, without diminishing my own rational reasons offerd to you.
4) Case closed, you have thus gone into full blown rant moide that your last two paragraphs, failed to make any point on the debate we were having. You simply wanted to look big, failing in the process, because you went after me and not actually thinking about how to address the points made.
Conclusion:
People who believe that they are defending someone by reasoning that their beliefs should be protected, even at the cost of effecting others, and simply because they believe they will be perceived as prejudice. Are nothing more than insecure people. They do not care for anyone, but how others perceive them. Thus, they are so driven by wanting to be liked, that they again allow their own needs, which blinds them to what is in front of their face.These kind of people, were the same that never thought Hiter was a threat and how wrong they were.
Here is a perfect example, the debate was over the minute I played the rational reason card.
That happens to be full of facts, evidence and most of all. The ability to prove something is fundementally wrong. When this happens, those led by their emotions, and insecurities, understand, they have no counter. So they are left instead, looking to deligitimize me. When instead, it then allows me to repay in kind and know full well, you simply had no answer to my points
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Re: The Swiss Citizenship of Two Muslim Boys is At Risk After Handshake Controversy
by Guest Sun May 29, 2016 12:16 am
The Swiss Citizenship of Two Muslim Boys is At Risk After Handshake Controversy
Perhaps you've become so wrapped up in your own emotional driven diatribe that you've once again forgotten the TOPIC
I've clearly stated:
a.) the school should be allowed to modify this for any student - PERIOD ...it's a handshake FFS
b.) even here in America - we make allowances for our scared pledge of allegiance because of the added 'one Nation Under GOD' that had been added to it in the late 40's - why force people with religious objections to say something that goes against their FAITH
c.) aren't schools SUPPOSED to be about teaching: acceptance/instruction/learning about other countries/national differences and religious tolerance as well
d.) while you have Muslims and Terrorist on the brain {24/7} - I do not; I'm being force fed 80% of my daily FB/news/radio listening the hysteria and rants that are being played out within my borders and the total number of Muslims that have the potential to become a TERRORIST is small potatoes compared to the number of nut jobs that are spewing their vile hate and rhetoric around here daily
So it's not that I don't have empathy for your FEARS ...it's just that I do not place as great a weight for them as you do.
We'll agree to disagree about this Muslim = Terrorist issue
And I do thank you for not calling me any derogatory names ...that was greatly appreciated, Didge - really.
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Re: The Swiss Citizenship of Two Muslim Boys is At Risk After Handshake Controversy
by Guest Sun May 29, 2016 12:28 am
1) Why should the school modify, when the concept behind this reasoning is that women are unclean, based sexually? Please tell me how you are in fact defending that by backing the two boys indoctrinated with this sexist bigotry?
2) Again about the USA, so far removed from someone in Pakistan or Iran.
3) I thought schools taught about how to live and learn an you now argue off instead a principle born and created from the west, tolerance. The problem is those, that you turn a blind eye to only Islamic schools.
4) How can I have terrorists on the brain, when you brought this up? I stated about ultra conservative Islam. Which has seen you yet again talk about me and zero to back your points here
2) Again about the USA, so far removed from someone in Pakistan or Iran.
3) I thought schools taught about how to live and learn an you now argue off instead a principle born and created from the west, tolerance. The problem is those, that you turn a blind eye to only Islamic schools.
4) How can I have terrorists on the brain, when you brought this up? I stated about ultra conservative Islam. Which has seen you yet again talk about me and zero to back your points here
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Re: The Swiss Citizenship of Two Muslim Boys is At Risk After Handshake Controversy
by Guest Sun May 29, 2016 1:32 am
TTYL...I'm just back in from cutting saplings and in dire need of a cool shower and nearly bedtime over here! Surely there'll be something new & current to kick around in the morningPaul Ettinger wrote:1) Why should the school modify, when the concept behind this reasoning is that women are unclean, based sexually? Please tell me how you are in fact defending that by backing the two boys indoctrinated with this sexist bigotry? So according to 'YOUR' remise all schools would be doing litmus tests/personal inquiries into their private lives prior to attending schools in this specific Swiss method of teaching? Na, I think NOT.
2) Again about the USA, so far removed from someone in Pakistan or Iran. My example, is as everyone else utilizes --- something that we know and are familiar with; you never do that do you,
3) I thought schools taught about how to live and learn an you now argue off instead a principle born and created from the west, tolerance. The problem is those, that you turn a blind eye to only Islamic schools. Rather like the ACA, you just aren't as fully in tuned with our Public School system as you might think! Anti-Bullying - Acceptance of others: skin colors/beliefs/hair color/eye color/physical appearances/not everyone is Able-bodied/hearing impaired/sight impaired etc., etc., etc., and yes, little kids wear burkas/scarves/boys wear the outfits similar to their fathers if they chose to and NO ONE had better ridicule or bully them about it.
4) How can I have terrorists on the brain, when you brought this up? I stated about ultra conservative Islam. Which has seen you yet again talk about me and zero to back your points hereYou don't entwine it into each and every topic ...hmm perhaps I jumped the gun!
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Re: The Swiss Citizenship of Two Muslim Boys is At Risk After Handshake Controversy
by Guest Sun May 29, 2016 3:47 am
1) No not according to me, but you for some reason, as I have no idea where that invented babble came from, you just invented things, to get out of a hole you have dug
2) Your example was just plain ignorant as per usual as it fails to understand the main problem and so tries a magic trick to decieve them in order to fool people and fails badly
3) Complete babble your last point and now making outlandish accusations you cannot back up.
So not a single point now made on the debate and all about me
Hilarious
2) Your example was just plain ignorant as per usual as it fails to understand the main problem and so tries a magic trick to decieve them in order to fool people and fails badly
3) Complete babble your last point and now making outlandish accusations you cannot back up.
So not a single point now made on the debate and all about me
Hilarious
Last edited by Paul Ettinger on Sun May 29, 2016 3:56 am; edited 1 time in total
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Re: The Swiss Citizenship of Two Muslim Boys is At Risk After Handshake Controversy
by Guest Sun May 29, 2016 3:53 am
This is what I said to Eddie the other night and how predictably right I am on this thread with this child debating me.
I do not think it has anything to do with the country but the actual person.
Again this all started off again more so from the colonials on here.
They like to make condescending remarks about the British, which stems more from their own political beliefs than it does from anything tribal.
The other aspect is people on here in the main, simply do not like being told they are wrong.
That more than anything makes people bite on here, which then generally leads to all forms of absue all round from people.
What happens is that people then play off where that person comes from to get at them, but this did start with the Colonials and then they have not liked if fired at them broadside style in return.
I do not think it has anything to do with the country but the actual person.
Again this all started off again more so from the colonials on here.
They like to make condescending remarks about the British, which stems more from their own political beliefs than it does from anything tribal.
The other aspect is people on here in the main, simply do not like being told they are wrong.
That more than anything makes people bite on here, which then generally leads to all forms of absue all round from people.
What happens is that people then play off where that person comes from to get at them, but this did start with the Colonials and then they have not liked if fired at them broadside style in return.
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Re: The Swiss Citizenship of Two Muslim Boys is At Risk After Handshake Controversy
by Guest Sun May 29, 2016 11:34 am
Paul Ettinger wrote:1) No not according to me, but you for some reason, as I have no idea where that invented babble came from, you just invented things, to get out of a hole you have dug
2) Your example was just plain ignorant as per usual as it fails to understand the main problem and so tries a magic trick to decieve them in order to fool people and fails badly
3) Complete babble your last point and now making outlandish accusations you cannot back up.
So not a single point now made on the debate and all about me
Hilarious
Well, that went as expected ...from a moderate 'DEBATER' right back to his imperial-self inflated 'master debater'
and the only thing you are MASTER of in your world =
I'll but your immature ass back on ignore ...you survive well under that bride
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Re: The Swiss Citizenship of Two Muslim Boys is At Risk After Handshake Controversy
by Guest Sun May 29, 2016 12:06 pm
4EVER2 wrote:Paul Ettinger wrote:1) No not according to me, but you for some reason, as I have no idea where that invented babble came from, you just invented things, to get out of a hole you have dug
2) Your example was just plain ignorant as per usual as it fails to understand the main problem and so tries a magic trick to decieve them in order to fool people and fails badly
3) Complete babble your last point and now making outlandish accusations you cannot back up.
So not a single point now made on the debate and all about me
Hilarious
Well, that went as expected ...from a moderate 'DEBATER' right back to his imperial-self inflated 'master debater'
and the only thing you are MASTER of in your world =
I'll but your immature ass back on ignore ...you survive well under that bride
So till talking about me, doing everything possible to avoid taking on my points
Do what you like, as I am not concerned what you do, you are that insignificant
I will however continue to show up your poor views for what they are
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