WAR ON ISIS: 34 Muslim NATIONS JOIN FORCES WITH MILITARY ALLIANCE TO FIGHT DAESH TERRORISM

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Muslim nations around the world have decided to join forces and set up a military coalition to combat terrorism. There has been increasing pressure on Muslim nations, especially the rich Gulf states, to do more to fight against the Islamic State (Isis) militant group.

The alliance, led by Saudi Arabia, will see 34 Muslim nations join forces to "protect the Islamic nation from the evils of all terrorist groups and organisations." Majority Shi'ite Muslim Iran was conspicuous by its absence from the list of nations.

A statement published by Saudi Arabia's state news agency SPA said more than 10 countries, including Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, have "expressed their support" for the alliance and will take the necessary measures. A joint operations centre will be set up in Riyadh to coordinate and support military operations to fight terrorism and "to develop the necessary programmes and mechanisms to support these efforts."

The statement said that "appropriate arrangements" will be developed for coordination with "friendly peace-loving nations" and international bodies to support international efforts to combat terrorism.

The joint statement was accompanied by a rare press conference by Saudi Arabia's deputy crown prince, second deputy prime minister and minister of defense, 30-year-old Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud. However, he failed to give any insight on how the military cooperation aims to undertake its fight against terrorism.

Salman told reporters on 15 December that the campaign would "coordinate" efforts to fight terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan but did not say how this will be carried out. "There will be international coordination with major powers and international organisations ... in terms of operations in Syria and Iraq. We can't undertake these operations without coordinating with legitimacy in this place and the international community," he added.

When asked if the new alliance will focus on just fighting IS (Daesh), Salman said the coalition would confront "any terrorist organisation that appears in front of us," including Isis.

Saudi Arabia and its Gulf Arab neighbours have been involved in a nine month warfare with Iran-allied rebels in neighbouring Yemen. A ceasefire however is set to take effect in Yemen on 15 December, alongside United Nations-backed peace talks. The joint statement on the military alliance to fight IS may be an indication of Saudi Arabia's decision to turn its attention back to pressing conflicts at the north of its borders.

IS has vowed to overthrow the monarchies of the Gulf and have launched a series of attacks on Shi'ite Muslim mosques and security forces in both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. The joint statement said the terrorism and its atrocities constitute a serious violation of human dignity and rights, especially the right to life and the right to security. It said: "Terrorism cannot be justified in any way, and hence it should be fought by all means and collaboration should be made to eliminate it."

It vowed the protect nations from "the evils of all armed groups and terrorist organisations- whatever their doctrine or title - which spread killing and corruption in the world and are designed to terrorise the innocent."
The 34 nations include:

• Jordan;
  
• United Arab Emirates;
  
• Pakistan;
  
• Bahrain;
  
• Bangladesh;
  
• Benin;
  
• Turkey;
  
• Chad;
  
• Togo;
  
• Tunisia;
  
• Djibouti;
  
• Senegal;
  
• Sudan;
  
• Sierra Leone;
  
• Somalia;
  
• Gabon;
  
• Guinea;
  
• Palestine;
  
• Comoros;
  
• Qatar;
  
• Cote d'Ivoire;
  
• Kuwait;
  
• Lebanon;
  
• Libya;
  
• Maldives;
  
• Mali;
  
• Malaysia;
  
• Egypt;
  
• Morocco;
  
• Mauritania;
  
• Niger;
  
• Nigeria; and
  
• Yemen.
  

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/34-Muslim-nations-finally-get-together-set-military-alliance-fight-terrorism-1533357


Given what the Saudis are doing in Yemem, not sure if this is a good or bad thing at the moment, whether it is what they say it is, or a grab for power.  Will have to see how this one pans out.  Certainly puts a spoke in the wheel of those who contend that Daesh is Islamic and all Muslims support terror.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Richard The Lionheart wrote:

Not confusing anything.
The penalty is death if the person does not revert back to Islam
Islam views all people as born Muslims.
Thus anyone not Muslim would then be classified as Aspostates.
You see how easy it is for Islam to justify murder?

No it isn't! Apostates are not allowed the death penalty according to the Quran and hadith

That is your stance on apostasy

Again many other Muslims weill disagree with you and that is where the problem is.
Again how easy it is for Muslims to believe it is death?

THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT FUCKING ISRAEL. 

I know that people who have been saying Muslims don't do enough don't know how to deal with this, BUT ISRAEL IS NOT PART OF THE THREAD.

SM, are you also saying that anyone who claims to be a Muslim in Palestine and who has killed anyone is actually not a Muslim?

sassy wrote:THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT FUCKING ISRAEL. 

I know that people who have been saying Muslims don't do enough don't know how to deal with this, BUT ISRAEL IS NOT PART OF THE THREAD.

It's fair to discuss Hamas though.

Raggamuffin wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Of course they do. Quran doesn't just say about Muslims its non Muslims too

So are you now saying that Hamas are not Muslims either? Are you also supporting terrorism?

Nope I never said that what I gave was the difference between ISIS and Hamas.

I don't wish to discuss Hamas or the Palestine issue here as its far too complex and you lot would never understand. I have in the past gone around in circles and got no where. So I don't bother discussing it anymore. Its all in the news but I cant make people read if they are blinded to it all.

Simple as that

It is now, as if this group claims to target all terrorism, then that means hamas and other palestinian terrorist groups.

This is what appalls me how Muslims are being indoctrinated to think its acceptable to murder civillians, based off a false claim of occupation. utterly appalling and utterly dangerous and goes back to my point of hate being taught and rife in the Muslim community

That is

Agree with you SM.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So are you now saying that Hamas are not Muslims either? Are you also supporting terrorism?

Nope I never said that what I gave was the difference between ISIS and Hamas.

I don't wish to discuss Hamas or the Palestine issue here as its far too complex and you lot would never understand. I have in the past gone around in circles and got no where. So I don't bother discussing it anymore. Its all in the news but I cant make people read if they are blinded to it all.

Simple as that

Didn't you say that Muslims don't kill anyone? Hamas kill people, so are you saying they are not Muslims?

Hamas are of course allegedly involved in Syria - one of the countries which Salman alluded to, so they can be included.

Richard The Lionheart wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

No it isn't! Apostates are not allowed the death penalty according to the Quran and hadith

That is your stance on apostasy

Again many other Muslims weill disagree with you and that is where the problem is.
Again how easy it is for Muslims to believe it is death?

Lol

Not just my claim

Its according to the Quran and Hadith

Didge do you think you know more than me about my religion?

You haven't even read the Quran!

So now sexy does not want to discuss Hamasw as she backs and appoves of israeli civiullians being murdered by hamas which as seen she thinks wrongly is acceptable under international law.
Its is utterly worrying that Muslims are being taught this nonsense and what is essentially racist.

Remember what I told you yesterday rags about what was said before during the conflict in Gaza?

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Richard The Lionheart wrote:

That is your stance on apostasy

Again many other Muslims weill disagree with you and that is where the problem is.
Again how easy it is for Muslims to believe it is death?

Lol

Not just my claim

Its according to the Quran and Hadith

Didge do you think you know more than me about my religion?

You haven't even read the Quran!

He does lol

Raggamuffin wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Nope I never said that what I gave was the difference between ISIS and Hamas.

I don't wish to discuss Hamas or the Palestine issue here as its far too complex and you lot would never understand. I have in the past gone around in circles and got no where. So I don't bother discussing it anymore. Its all in the news but I cant make people read if they are blinded to it all.

Simple as that

Didn't you say that Muslims don't kill anyone? Hamas kill people, so are you saying they are not Muslims?

Hamas are of course allegedly involved in Syria - one of the countries which Salman alluded to, so they can be included.

Muslims don't go around killing innocent people.

I don't need to judge anyone and they will be all answerable to their creator

Again that is your view on the Quran and hadith where again Sexy countless Muslims disagree with you in fact in a majority world over on apostasy.

What concerns me though is you view all israel as occupied which is racist denying them self determination and you think its acceptable to muder civillains.
That is the worst kind of hate on a level of smelly in his views to murder Muslims

So anyway, who are these "terrorist" groups which Salman referred to? Even if one assumes that he included ISIS, who else is he referring to?

Richard The Lionheart wrote:It is now, as if this group claims to target all terrorism, then that means hamas and other palestinian terrorist groups.

This is what appalls me how Muslims are being indoctrinated to think its acceptable to murder civillians, based off a false claim of occupation. utterly appalling and utterly dangerous and goes back to my point of hate being taught and rife in the Muslim community

That is

This is what you believe! I never said anything of the fuckin sort FFS

Raggamuffin wrote:So anyway, who are these "terrorist" groups which Salman referred to? Even if one assumes that he included ISIS, who else is he referring to?

Can't you read?  I made the post large.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didn't you say that Muslims don't kill anyone? Hamas kill people, so are you saying they are not Muslims?

Hamas are of course allegedly involved in Syria - one of the countries which Salman alluded to, so they can be included.

Muslims don't go around killing innocent people.

I don't need to judge anyone and they will be all answerable to their creator

Oh, so it depends on your definition of "innocent" does it? Well what if some Muslims have a different view to you about who is "innocent"?

So according to sexy the palestinians who have stabbed and shot and rammed with cars murdering Israelis are not Muslims and thus cannot be deemed as martyrs and thus must be condemned as murderers and terrorists then?
Surely you agree with this sexy?

If anyone wanted to know if there were out and out Islamophobes on this site, this thread has just proved it.

For sexy to answer, other wise she backs the murder of innocent people

So according to sexy the palestinians who have stabbed and shot and rammed with cars murdering Israelis are not Muslims and thus cannot be deemed as martyrs and thus must be condemned as murderers and terrorists then?
Surely you agree with this sexy?

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:So anyway, who are these "terrorist" groups which Salman referred to? Even if one assumes that he included ISIS, who else is he referring to?

Can't you read?  I made the post large.

That didn't answer my question, and it's not his own words is it? I asked who the terrorist groups are.

Bin Salman says the move is part of an effort by the Islamic world to show its ‘vigilance’ against organisations like Isis, and the alliance will tackle any terrorist groups ‘that appears in front of us’

sassy wrote:If anyone wanted to know if there were out and out Islamophobes on this site, this thread has just proved it.

Care to name them?

Richard The Lionheart wrote:So according to sexy the palestinians who have stabbed and shot and rammed with cars murdering Israelis are not Muslims and thus cannot be deemed as martyrs and thus must be condemned as murderers and terrorists then?
Surely you agree with this sexy?

It depends if SM thinks those people were innocent or not.

Seriously????

I will say this only once now

Anyone who murders innocent people and 'sacrifices' themselves are not martyrs!

I hope this is clear enough if it isn't well tough shit cause im not wasting my time anymore

See ya Sass x

SEXY MAMA wrote:Seriously????

I will say this only once now

Anyone who murders innocent people and 'sacrifices' themselves are not martyrs!

I hope this is clear enough if it isn't well tough shit cause im not wasting my time anymore

See ya Sass x

See you love, don't it make you just sick.  Doesn't matter what Muslims do the Islamaphobes turn it round.

She still avoids the question which is specific

and then runs away

I know sexy is as racist as they come where she already justified attacks on israelis in this thread and for all to see.

For sexy to answer, other wise she backs the murder of innocent people

So according to sexy the palestinians who have stabbed and shot and rammed with cars murdering Israelis are not Muslims and thus cannot be deemed as martyrs and thus must be condemned as murderers and terrorists then?
Surely you agree with this sexy?

SEXY MAMA wrote:Seriously????

I will say this only once now

Anyone who murders innocent people and 'sacrifices' themselves are not martyrs!

I hope this is clear enough if it isn't well tough shit cause im not wasting my time anymore

See ya Sass x

Define "innocent". Do you think that the killing of Lee Rigby by a Muslim was justified on the grounds that he wasn't innocent? Do you think that merely living in Palestine and/or Israel and being Jewish means someone is not innocent?

What about all the people killed in 9/11 and 7/11? Were they guilty or innocent?

Exactly Rags, but she has answered that already and claims that to her occupation deligitimizes a people from being innocent and justifies their deaths. She made that very clear with her view that it was okay through her stance the area was occupied.
I am seriously sick to the core that people could again in history deligitimize Israeli Jews to then noramlize their murder.
This is what I was saying to Ben yesterday about racism within the Muslim community and how the regressive left defend this

Richard The Lionheart wrote:She still avoids the question which is specific

and then runs away

I know sexy is as racist as they come where she already justified attacks on israelis in this thread and for all to see.

For sexy to answer, other wise she backs the murder of innocent people

So according to sexy the palestinians who have stabbed and shot and rammed with cars murdering Israelis are not Muslims and thus cannot be deemed as martyrs and thus must be condemned as murderers and terrorists then?
Surely you agree with this sexy?

ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND YOU PIECE OF SHIT?

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A RASIST

didn't I just post that anyone who kills others and sacrifices themselves cant be Martyrs?

or this sentence too complicated for your brain?

Ive had enough of your shit Didge don't you EVER communicate with me again

Still waiting

It seems to me that some Muslims do not regard some civilians as "innocent" merely because they live in a country which got involved in Islamic countries on the order of the Government of that country. It seems that merely living in Israel and/or Palestine and being Jewish is enough for some Muslims to say that they're not "innocent". So it does depend on one's definition of the word "innocent"

Was Saddam Hussein not a Muslim?

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Richard The Lionheart wrote:She still avoids the question which is specific

and then runs away

I know sexy is as racist as they come where she already justified attacks on israelis in this thread and for all to see.

For sexy to answer, other wise she backs the murder of innocent people

So according to sexy the palestinians who have stabbed and shot and rammed with cars murdering Israelis are not Muslims and thus cannot be deemed as martyrs and thus must be condemned as murderers and terrorists then?
Surely you agree with this sexy?

ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND YOU PIECE OF SHIT?

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A RASIST

didn't I just post that anyone who kills others and sacrifices themselves cant be Martyrs?

or this sentence too complicated for your brain?

Ive had enough of your shit Didge don't you EVER communicate with me again

You said that Muslims don't kill "innocent" people, but that depends on what you mean by "innocent".

Exactly Rags, to Sexy she does not view israeli civillians as innocent and justifes their murder through an incorrect view off occupation where she sees all Israel as occupied which is absurd being that the Arabs themselves conquered the land, which would make them in occupation, by her reasoning. As I have now asked multiple times and she refuses to condemn the Palestinians who have murdered and attacked Israelis with stabbing, shootings and ramming cars into people.

So can someone remind me where Saudi stands in the Syrian problem? They're not fans of Assad are they? I would think their political stance might determine who they see as "terrorists".

I see that Palestine is included in that list of nations, so which particular terrorist groups will they be combating?

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Richard The Lionheart wrote:So they will be combating Hamas then?
Who are classified by the US and EU as terrorists.
So like rags says, its dependent on who they deem terrorists.
I guess Israeli civillians are exceptable targets for terrorism to this consortium?

Israel is in a different league

As they OCCUPIED the land forcibly.

Don't confuse the two FFS

There is the evidence for all to see and where how many times I asked to condemn of those Palestinians who attacked israeli civillians.
Seriously am sickened beyond belief

I think that SM sees the Palestinian terrorists as freedom fighters, and she sees the Israeli Jews as not innocent, so they're fair game. You see, it depends on how you view a particular group.

Which is completely wrong.
Now imagine someone viewed as smelly has of palestinian Muslims that way.
All hell would break loose, and we have seen evidence before when she clearly stated that Hitler should have finished the job. What is even worse is that it was the Arab nations that started this conflict and invaded israel on its creation, vowing to wipe them out and lost.

Remeber again what I have said about naratives and if she can view israeli civillians this way, how easy it for other Muslims to view western civillians this way?

That is all the evidence you need to understand how Islam is fundemnetally the core problem to extremism and terrorism

Well this is the problem with this whole thread really. Salman hasn't named these groups he defines as terrorists, and as we know, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.

He also hasn't mentioned defending anyone who isn't a Muslim has he? Then again, what's his definition of "Muslim"?

Agreed rags, and that is fundemental to understand who it is they deem as terrorists.

Turkey is also included in that list, and they consider the Kurd PKK to be a terrorist group. On the other hand, the PKK are fighting ISIS aren't they?

one mans "terrorist" is another mans freedom fighter

the difference between daesh and hammas is that that daesh are NOT fighting to "free" anyone, they are attempting a war of conquest. They have this dream of a primitive downtrodden "caliphate" where they are some sort of neolithic overlords.

Now I know you will insist that hammas seek a war of conquest over israel, and indeed It could be viewed that way, but, hammas and daesh ARE NOT ALIKE. Indeed were you to suggest it to them I suspect they would be horrified.

Lord Foul wrote:one mans "terrorist" is another mans freedom fighter

the difference between daesh and hammas is that that daesh are NOT fighting to "free" anyone, they are attempting a war of conquest. They have this dream of a primitive downtrodden "caliphate" where they are some sort of neolithic overlords.

Now I know you will insist that hammas seek a war of conquest over israel, and indeed It could be viewed that way, but, hammas and daesh ARE NOT ALIKE. Indeed were you to suggest it to them I suspect they would be horrified.

Sorry that has to be the worst horsehsit I have ever read.

Hamas' military wing in Gaza is paying tens of thousands of dollars each month to Islamic State's Sinai branch, in exchange for the group's help with smuggling weapons into the Strip.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4739234,00.html

Maybe you can explain to me the Hamas charter which vows to wipe out the Jews?

Hamas is not fighting any war to free anyone, Gaza is not occupied, unless you view Israel as occupied?

Do you?

Talk about the worst apologist shit ever.

Lord Foul wrote:one mans "terrorist" is another mans freedom fighter

the difference between daesh and hammas is that that daesh are NOT fighting to "free" anyone, they are attempting a war of conquest. They have this dream of a primitive downtrodden "caliphate" where they are some sort of neolithic overlords.

Now I know you will insist that hammas seek a war of conquest over israel, and indeed It could be viewed that way, but, hammas and daesh ARE NOT ALIKE. Indeed were you to suggest it to them I suspect they would be horrified.

It's not really a question of which group is like another group, or unlike another group, it's a question of who these countries on the list see as terrorist groups.

Richard The Lionheart wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:one mans "terrorist" is another mans freedom fighter

the difference between daesh and hammas is that that daesh are NOT fighting to "free" anyone, they are attempting a war of conquest. They have this dream of a primitive downtrodden "caliphate" where they are some sort of neolithic overlords.

Now I know you will insist that hammas seek a war of conquest over israel, and indeed It could be viewed that way, but, hammas and daesh ARE NOT ALIKE. Indeed were you to suggest it to them I suspect they would be horrified.

Sorry that has to be the worst horsehsit I have ever read.

Hamas' military wing in Gaza is paying tens of thousands of dollars each month to Islamic State's Sinai branch, in exchange for the group's help with smuggling weapons into the Strip.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4739234,00.html

Maybe you can explain to me the Hamas charter which vows to wipe out the Jews?

Hamas is not fighting any war to free anyone, Gaza is not occupied, unless you view Israel as occupied?

Do you?

Talk about the worst apologist shit ever.

You swallow so much hasbara it's a wonder you don't choke.

Now ISIS incurs the wrath of Hamas: Islamic State ransacks Syria's Yarmouk refugee camp and massacres residents - prompting vow of revenge from Palestinian fighters

• Rampaging ISIS militants have seized up to 90 per cent of Yarmouk camp
  
• 100 Palestinian refugees have been killed or kidnapped since Wednesday
  
• Two members of a Hamas-linked group were beheaded, witnesses said
  
• Now Gaza-based leaders have sworn bloody revenge on ISIS terrorists 
  

Well  as seen they are helping the ISIS groups in the Sinai and there is support for ISIS in Gaza.

Notice how sassy uses a derogative view again of Israel to descibe views.
Its easy to expose the antisemites, which we know sassy has also argued off ressistance under occupation

I will alow people to make up their own minds

http://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-23-of-palestinians-back-stabbing-attacks-armed-uprising/

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article49798935.html


What more evidence do you need to understand how a majority of Palestinians deligitimize the civillian status of israelis and as seen we saw already this on this very thread.

You are witnessing some of the worst racism and hate since the time of the Nazi's