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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:11 am

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Muslim nations around the world have decided to join forces and set up a military coalition to combat terrorism. There has been increasing pressure on Muslim nations, especially the rich Gulf states, to do more to fight against the Islamic State (Isis) militant group.

The alliance, led by Saudi Arabia, will see 34 Muslim nations join forces to "protect the Islamic nation from the evils of all terrorist groups and organisations." Majority Shi'ite Muslim Iran was conspicuous by its absence from the list of nations.

A statement published by Saudi Arabia's state news agency SPA said more than 10 countries, including Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, have "expressed their support" for the alliance and will take the necessary measures. A joint operations centre will be set up in Riyadh to coordinate and support military operations to fight terrorism and "to develop the necessary programmes and mechanisms to support these efforts."

The statement said that "appropriate arrangements" will be developed for coordination with "friendly peace-loving nations" and international bodies to support international efforts to combat terrorism.

The joint statement was accompanied by a rare press conference by Saudi Arabia's deputy crown prince, second deputy prime minister and minister of defense, 30-year-old Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud. However, he failed to give any insight on how the military cooperation aims to undertake its fight against terrorism.

Salman told reporters on 15 December that the campaign would "coordinate" efforts to fight terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan but did not say how this will be carried out. "There will be international coordination with major powers and international organisations ... in terms of operations in Syria and Iraq. We can't undertake these operations without coordinating with legitimacy in this place and the international community," he added.

When asked if the new alliance will focus on just fighting IS (Daesh), Salman said the coalition would confront "any terrorist organisation that appears in front of us," including Isis.

Saudi Arabia and its Gulf Arab neighbours have been involved in a nine month warfare with Iran-allied rebels in neighbouring Yemen. A ceasefire however is set to take effect in Yemen on 15 December, alongside United Nations-backed peace talks. The joint statement on the military alliance to fight IS may be an indication of Saudi Arabia's decision to turn its attention back to pressing conflicts at the north of its borders.

IS has vowed to overthrow the monarchies of the Gulf and have launched a series of attacks on Shi'ite Muslim mosques and security forces in both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. The joint statement said the terrorism and its atrocities constitute a serious violation of human dignity and rights, especially the right to life and the right to security. It said: "Terrorism cannot be justified in any way, and hence it should be fought by all means and collaboration should be made to eliminate it."

It vowed the protect nations from "the evils of all armed groups and terrorist organisations- whatever their doctrine or title - which spread killing and corruption in the world and are designed to terrorise the innocent."
The 34 nations include:

  • Jordan;
  • United Arab Emirates;
  • Pakistan;
  • Bahrain;
  • Bangladesh;
  • Benin;
  • Turkey;
  • Chad;
  • Togo;
  • Tunisia;
  • Djibouti;
  • Senegal;
  • Sudan;
  • Sierra Leone;
  • Somalia;
  • Gabon;
  • Guinea;
  • Palestine;
  • Comoros;
  • Qatar;
  • Cote d'Ivoire;
  • Kuwait;
  • Lebanon;
  • Libya;
  • Maldives;
  • Mali;
  • Malaysia;
  • Egypt;
  • Morocco;
  • Mauritania;
  • Niger;
  • Nigeria; and
  • Yemen.


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/34-Muslim-nations-finally-get-together-set-military-alliance-fight-terrorism-1533357


Given what the Saudis are doing in Yemem, not sure if this is a good or bad thing at the moment, whether it is what they say it is, or a grab for power.  Will have to see how this one pans out.  Certainly puts a spoke in the wheel of those who contend that Daesh is Islamic and all Muslims support terror.

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:26 pm

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Last I checked Muslim terrorists have been attacking civillians in Israel.
Hence why I knew I could prove how racist sexy was after before when she said Hitler should have finsihed the job.
She views israeli civtizens as legitimate targets
I really do not need any advise either from a sheep when you should be condemning sexy for her views which dehumanizes Israeli citizens.
Which funnilly enough so did Hitler dehumanize Jews

What's SM have to do with my reply? Lol! I was talking about Victor (although I agree with Victor).

I wouldn't really play the judgemental and high and mighty card. That's the problem with militant atheists, people like you think they're God. Lol!

SM has mentioned on this thread she is against the killing of civilians. So don't lie and slander.


Again what a copout, she dehumanized israeli citizens and again a group cannot be deemed freedom fighters if they deliberately target civillians. That is deemed in war a war crime or in times of peace terrorism.
She was asked to condemn the Palestinian attacks on israelis, she said that was a differnt matter because they were in occupation, which means she views all Israel as occupied.
That is racist in itself because it denies the existance of Israel itself and denies self determination.
Now I have studied racism for years and part of my degree was on nazism, so I know better than most waht is racist and what is not racist.

So again its no surpirse you refuse to condemn and this is the issue within some of the Muslim community, they allow a hate and why antisemitism is rife throughout the Muslim world.
At least even Medhi recognises the problem. so why are you ignoring it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/anti-semitism-british-Muslim-community_b_2922013.html
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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:26 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's to protect the "Islamic nation" according to the article.





Are you a bit slow? Sorry to be rude but Israel part of any Islamlic nation?

The Islamic nation means Muslims, it's not necessarily a reference to a particular country. That's why I asked if only Muslims will be protected. What about Christians, for example?
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:28 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Even the military wing?


Are they attacking civilians in Palestine?



yes they are in Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-says-jerusalem-car-ramming-terrorist-was-a-member/


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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:28 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


To the EU and the US, Canada etc they are a terrorist organisation.
So we are back to who this coalition deem terrorist and who they do not deem terrorist

Are the EU and US part of this alliance?

Seriously! Lol!

Exactly, so it comes down to who this alliance considers to be a terrorist organisation.
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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:30 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The Islamic nation means Muslims, it's not necessarily a reference to a particular country. That's why I asked if only Muslims will be protected. What about Christians, for example?

That's your definition and interpretation and it appears to be incorrect.

Defending a nation against terorism does not discriminate between people. Just as attacking by terrorism doesn't discriminate between people either.

Did he say they would be defending nations though?
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:30 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


To the EU and the US, Canada etc they are a terrorist organisation.
So we are back to who this coalition deem terrorist and who they do not deem terrorist

Are the EU and US part of this alliance?

Seriously! Lol!


I never knew such things were funny to you
So where Saudi has not protect civillians and in fact killed thousands in Yemen and now you think that the west has no legitimate view to cast groups as terrorist really just about sums up your views

So thanks Zack

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:33 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Exactly, so it comes down to who this alliance considers to be a terrorist organisation.

Any organisation that attacks the those countries.

Hamas does not attack its own civilians.



Really?

Is that why they have executed civillians they deem as in league with Israel or the PA.
Did you forget the struggle bwteen hamas and Fath by any chance?
You seriosly really talk nonsense.

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:34 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


I never knew such things were funny to you
So where Saudi has not protect civillians and in fact killed thousands in Yemen and now you think that the west has no legitimate view to cast groups as terrorist really just about sums up your views

So thanks Zack

Why are you being so defensive again?


failed emotive goad

Seriously I told you, that you are too immature to goad emotivelly Zack

All you did was avoid the points

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:35 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

What's SM have to do with my reply? Lol! I was talking about Victor (although I agree with Victor).

I wouldn't really play the judgemental and high and mighty card. That's the problem with militant atheists, people like you think they're God. Lol!

SM has mentioned on this thread she is against the killing of civilians. So don't lie and slander.


Again what a copout, she dehumanized israeli citizens and again a group cannot be deemed freedom fighters if they deliberately target civillians. That is deemed in war a war crime or in times of peace terrorism.
She was asked to condemn the Palestinian attacks on israelis, she said that was a differnt matter because they were in occupation, which means she views all Israel as occupied.
That is racist in itself because it denies the existance of Israel itself and denies self determination.
Now I have studied racism for years and part of my degree was on nazism, so I know better than most waht is racist and what is not racist.

So again its no surpirse you refuse to condemn and this is the issue within some of the Muslim community, they allow a hate and why antisemitism is rife throughout the Muslim world.
At least even Medhi recognises the problem. so why are you ignoring it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/anti-semitism-british-Muslim-community_b_2922013.html
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No response either

Quelle surprise, I guess a respect Muslim who speaks of this antisemitism must be a quisling to zack

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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:43 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Exactly, so it comes down to who this alliance considers to be a terrorist organisation.

Any organisation that attacks the those countries.

Hamas does not attack its own civilians.

Are you sure about that?
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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:44 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Did he say they would be defending nations though?

At the moment your views are mere speculation. Time will tell.

Indeed it will Zack, indeed it will.
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:46 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Any organisation that attacks the those countries.

Hamas does not attack its own civilians.

Are you sure about that?


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/27/hamas-executed-palestinians-under-cover-gaza-conflict-amnesty

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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:51 pm

So what about the PKK? Are they not mostly Muslims, and yet Turkey classes them as a terrorist organisation. Who then is this alliance going to side with?
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:13 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/27/hamas-executed-palestinians-under-cover-gaza-conflict-amnesty

Are you telling me that the US have never murdered its own citizens?

In fact, the US law states it's legal to conduct a drone attack against one of its civilians, on US soil.

https://occupycorporatism.com/holder-confirms-obama-can-murder-us-citizens-by-drone-attack-in-america/

Both you and Rags don't seem to understand the scope of the agreement.

As I said, time will tell where this alliance will go. Just as the alliance to fight terror in the West.

To be frank Didge, while your judgemental hysteria makes good entertainment, it is also quite pointless.


First point racist.
Hamas is a polictical group, you cast americans as if the nation is one political group which is absurd

So then your view would be against the governement and as it should be with the Israel goverment is you have beef, which is why you fail to grasp anything.

Also two wrongs do not make a right, why do you think they do?
You fail to understand morality and ethics and even worse moral equivalence

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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:15 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/27/hamas-executed-palestinians-under-cover-gaza-conflict-amnesty

Are you telling me that the US have never murdered its own citizens?

In fact, the US law states it's legal to conduct a drone attack against one of its civilians, on US soil.

https://occupycorporatism.com/holder-confirms-obama-can-murder-us-citizens-by-drone-attack-in-america/

Both you and Rags don't seem to understand the scope of the agreement.

As I said, time will tell where this alliance will go. Just as the alliance to fight terror in the West.

To be frank Didge, while your judgemental hysteria makes good entertainment, it is also quite pointless.

I'm questioning the scope of the argument, which is different to not understanding it. Obviously, you are taking it at face value.
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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:16 pm

So Zack is saying that Hamas is not a terrorist group, so they are free to kill who they like.
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:16 pm

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No response either

Quelle surprise, I guess a respect Muslim who speaks of this antisemitism must be a quisling to zack

Lol! The old "I didn't respond within 2 minutes, so I must be a racist" strategy. lol! Nice one, Dick.

SM didn't not say anything racist or bigoted on this thread nor did she condone the killing of civilians/innocents.

And nor is someone like you in a position to judge if a person is bigoted. But then again, maybe you're an expert. Lol!


There you have the worst apologist view ever, she clearly stated after I mention terrorism against Israel, that this was different and justifying attack on citizens
But I expect no less from you either as you both fail to understand moral equivalence
I can judge very much people when they are racist just like you constantly judge people as bigots, do you not?
Why is it okay for you to judge and not others, or does islam also allow a free pass on this also?

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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:18 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Exactly, so it comes down to who this alliance considers to be a terrorist organisation.

Any organisation that attacks the those countries.

Hamas does not attack its own civilians.

It doesn't say they will only defend those countries, it says that those nations have formed an alliance to combat terrorism.
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:20 pm

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Richard The Lionheart wrote:


First point racist.
Hamas is a polictical group, you cast americans as if the nation is one political group which is absurd

So then your view would be against the governement and as it should be with the Israel goverment is you have beef, which is why you fail to grasp anything.

Also two wrongs do not make a right, why do you think they do?
You fail to understand morality and ethics and even worse moral equivalence

You really are desperate to label me a racist. Very defensive of you. Lol!

American could be what ever government were in power at the time. d'uh!

Republicans and democrats are political groups too. 2nd d'uh!

Quite agree that 2 wrongs don't make a right. But then you should present both wrongs before making a equivalent judgement. 3rd d'uh.


You just viewed all americans by stating them as murdering off a view point which is fundementally racist or you are that stupid to fail to understand it is. American you define a whole people, and not a governement.
I mean how many times do I say, Hamas, Pa, fatha for example?
So two wrongs do not make a right and thus Hamas to you then must be a terrorist organisation who as seen murders palestinians who they deem to be in opposition to you.

Now is the US senate like this?

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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:22 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So Zack is saying that Hamas is not a terrorist group, so they are free to kill who they like.

Where did I say that?

Stop lying Rags.

Or at least post your "statement" as a "question", like Fox News. Lol!

But Hamas are the government in Gaza, not a terrorist organisation.
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:23 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It doesn't say they will only defend those countries, it says that those nations have formed an alliance to combat terrorism.

Like I said, time will tell.

Any speculation is pointless.


Not when you said they are there to protect civillians.\
As seen the track record of late by Saudi certainly calls that into question
Nopw what warning systems do saudi give to civillians in Yemen before an airstrike?

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:24 pm

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You just viewed all americans by stating them as murdering off a view point which is fundementally racist or you are that stupid to fail to understand it is. American you define a whole people, and not a governement.
I mean how many times do I say, Hamas, Pa, fatha for example?
So two wrongs do not make a right and thus Hamas to you then must be a terrorist organisation who as seen murders palestinians who they deem to be in opposition to you.

Now is the US senate like this?

You're a bit slow. So I had to clarify who I meant by Americans.



I am not slow, as it was me that had to correct your poor comment, which as seen leaves you very emotive

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:25 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
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Are Hamas are a terrorist organisation in Palestine? yes or no?

Answer in 1 word.


That has to be the daftest point I have ever heard.

Explain the violence between Fatah and hamas?

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Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:



Are Hamas are a terrorist organisation in Palestine? yes or no?

Answer in 1 word.

Perhaps you'd like to apologise for accusing me of lying.
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That has to be the daftest point I have ever heard.

Explain the violence between Fatah and hamas?

You don't have the guts to answer my question. Lol!


Becuase it is utterly idiotic.
Hamas rules by the gun, so how do people opposition say they are terrorists, if they execute them?
Do you understand that?
How also can a society view them as terrorist if they indoctrinate children with hate based on islam?

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:29 pm

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Not when you said they are there to protect civillians.\
As seen the track record of late by Saudi certainly calls that into question
Nopw what warning systems do saudi give to civillians in Yemen before an airstrike?

Again - you could say the same about who the US classes as civilians or the enemy.

Let's not forget they invented the term "combatant" to kill civilians legally.


Copout which shows you do not understand the rules of engagement.
Or international law on conflicts

This is important based on your claim to protect civillians


Not when you said they are there to protect civillians.\
As seen the track record of late by Saudi certainly calls that into question
Nopw what warning systems do saudi give to civillians in Yemen before an airstrike?

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:34 pm

Lets see if Zack can use his brain.
hamas since in power have not allowed any elections.
They rule by the sword and through fear, so there is no oppoisiton and any that there is are liquidated.

Now did the vast majority of the Germans under Hitler view his totalitarian state as terrorist?
Ever heard of the Night of the Long Knives by any chance?
What happened to many opposition here Zack or even those once viewed as allies?
Now do you understand why your view point was idiotic?
Hence again explain the violence between Fatah and Hamas?

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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:39 pm

So let's say the Saudis or any of those nations on the list discovered that ISIS were planning an attack on a western country. Would they step in to neutralise those terrorists?
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Post by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:43 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
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Perhaps you'd like to apologise for accusing me of lying.

Lol! I can practically see the sweat of desperation trickling down your face.

The fact you couldn't answer my question proves you were lying. That's exactly why I asked the question and caught you with your pants down.

When you find the guts to answer, we can continue this conversation. Until then I have no choice but to treat you as a liar with zero credibility to your posts.

I'll answer you. Yes, they are terrorists. Now you can apologise for accusing me of lying - I posted what you said, so I wasn't lying.

Learn some manners too, and don't be so vulgar.
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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:44 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Perhaps you'd like to apologise for accusing me of lying.

Lol! I can practically see the sweat of desperation trickling down your face.

The fact you couldn't answer my question proves you were lying. That's exactly why I asked the question and caught you with your pants down.

When you find the guts to answer, we can continue this conversation. Until then I have no choice but to treat you as a liar with zero credibility to your posts.


Yet abnother poor attemot at emotive goading.
Please grow up, its getting embarressing now

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Post by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:47 pm

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Becuase it is utterly idiotic.
Hamas rules by the gun, so how do people opposition say they are terrorists, if they execute them?
Do you understand that?
How also can a society view them as terrorist if they indoctrinate children with hate based on islam?

You only state the question is idiotic (when it's actually simple, anyone can answer) because it will expose how invalid your argument actually is.

Both you and Rags are running scared from a simple question. What does that say to the rest of us?

Sorry bruv, you've been caught with your panties down too. And we can all see your skid marks.


I noticed you missed the important part about how the germans viewed the Nazis and how the nazis committed terrorist acts themseves.

Again have you hear of the night of the long knives?

Now evidence number 2

If there is and has been an ongoing hate program against Jews, where in the palestinian  territories the level of antisemitism is rife and they view the attack and murder of innocent israeli civillians as justified, why would they class Hamas as terroristsm, if they themselves back terrorism?


http://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-23-of-palestinians-back-stabbing-attacks-armed-uprising/


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