Why are ISIS terrorists & jihadi brides getting offered special treatment here in UK on their return, instead of prosecution, but a white Brit who fought against ISIS returns to face terrorism charges?

BRITISH terror suspects returning from Syria will be offered taxpayer-funded council homes to "bribe" them not to attack the UK, according to reports.

The plans, codenamed Operation Constrain, could even see jihadis jumping to the top of council house waiting lists.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4792434/british-isis-jihadis-return-syria-uk-council-homes/




JIHADI brides who have sneaked back into Britain are getting trauma therapy at
taxpayers' expense. ... More than a dozen Islamic State women returning from
Syria have been through a counselling programme rather than being charged with terror offences.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/684616/Isis-jihadi-brides-trauma-therapy-taxpayers-unity-initiative-islamic-state-returners





While a white British man returning to UK from fighting against ISIS...


A British man who travelled to Syria to fight against Islamic State has been
charged with terror offences, police have said. Aidan James, 27, from Merseyside
, is accused of the preparation of a terrorist act and attending a place used for terrorist training, after he joined the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), which the British government has openly supported since Isis declared an “Islamic caliphate” in 2014.

James is due to appear at Westminster magistrates court on Friday.

A spokesperson for Greater Manchester police said: “Aidan James, of no fixed abode, has been charged with one count of preparation of terrorist acts contrary to section 5 of the Terrorism Act 2006 and two counts of attendance at a place used for terrorist training contrary to section 8 of the Terrorism Act 2006.”

The UK government has repeatedly warned that anyone travelling to join a foreign conflict may be prosecuted. The case is the second of its kind to emerge in as many weeks.


AND ALSO FROM THE SAME ARTICLE...


On Wednesday, James Matthews, 43, from London, was cheered by Kurdish supporters and other returned anti-Isis fighters as he appeared in court charged with one count of attending a place used for terrorist training. He pleaded not guilty.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/16/british-man-aidan-james-fought-isis-syria-charged-terror-offences

I dont normally post videos like this, but on this one, there is actually many links that is highlighted on this in the video

I would have to check them all out to see if viable, but it does make the same claim happenning in Sweden and even worse on returning ISIS members

You need to stop the video when they are highlighted and check the headlines and search them. I did on the first few and was quite surprised to see they were actually true



The moment you start criminalizing people on opinions, shows that a nation has conceded the debate on this and is unable to reason why such views are wrong.

You tackle such poor views with rational views to show why they are wrong. The moment you criminalize them, then you concede ground to those of hate.

From what I see, this is becoming a major problem and is only going to ensure support to the Far Right, mainly by regressive idiots. They think shuting down debate is the answer. No that is totalitarian and does nothing to actually combat the problem of those who promote hate. We need people to stand up to the far right with reason and completely ridicule their poor arguments.

Reason is always the answer to combat those of hate

Political correctness is the cause of all the shit going on in my opinion .

Sweden is finished .

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:Sweden is finished .

No country is ever finished

What is wrong is when ever a nation does not recognise a problem
The problem is that people conflate a refugee crises and claim racism, when a criminal element has been allowed in. Most people coming to Sweden are decent people, but criminals have exploited this and Sweden's Government is blind to this.

When ever people say white men are responsible for 95% of child sex abuse. Nobody pulls them up on racism.

They never should claim its racist, as its true in the UK. It does not mean we look and be racist towards all white men. The reality is the vast majority of sexual grooming gangs are Pakistani's. That does not mean that we should castigate all Pakistanis. What it means is that we should reocognise there is a problem within an element within the asian community. Just as there is with white child sex offenders.

It has little to do with skin colour but the fact some are predators

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:Political correctness is the cause of all the shit going on in my opinion .

Cultural Marxism


Hi Dibs x

Tommy Monk wrote:

BRITISH terror suspects returning from Syria will be offered taxpayer-funded council homes to "bribe" them not to attack the UK, according to reports.

The plans, codenamed Operation Constrain, could even see jihadis jumping to the top of council house waiting lists.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4792434/british-isis-jihadis-return-syria-uk-council-homes/




JIHADI brides who have sneaked back into Britain are getting trauma therapy at
taxpayers' expense. ... More than a dozen Islamic State women returning from
Syria have been through a counselling programme rather than being charged with terror offences.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/684616/Isis-jihadi-brides-trauma-therapy-taxpayers-unity-initiative-islamic-state-returners





While a white British man returning to UK from fighting against ISIS...


A British man who travelled to Syria to fight against Islamic State has been
charged with terror offences, police have said. Aidan James, 27, from Merseyside
, is accused of the preparation of a terrorist act and attending a place used for terrorist training, after he joined the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), which the British government has openly supported since Isis declared an “Islamic caliphate” in 2014.

James is due to appear at Westminster magistrates court on Friday.

A spokesperson for Greater Manchester police said: “Aidan James, of no fixed abode, has been charged with one count of preparation of terrorist acts contrary to section 5 of the Terrorism Act 2006 and two counts of attendance at a place used for terrorist training contrary to section 8 of the Terrorism Act 2006.”

The UK government has repeatedly warned that anyone travelling to join a foreign conflict may be prosecuted. The case is the second of its kind to emerge in as many weeks.


AND ALSO FROM THE SAME ARTICLE...


On Wednesday, James Matthews, 43, from London, was cheered by Kurdish supporters and other returned anti-Isis fighters as he appeared in court charged with one count of attending a place used for terrorist training. He pleaded not guilty.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/16/british-man-aidan-james-fought-isis-syria-charged-terror-offences

This is the OP...


It is about what is happening here in UK...


Start another thread if you want to post about other countries...!

Didge wrote:I dont normally post videos like this, but on this one, there is actually many links that is highlighted on this in the video

I would have to check them all out to see if viable, but it does make the same claim happenning in Sweden and even worse on returning ISIS members

You need to stop the video when they are highlighted and check the headlines and search them. I did on the first few and was quite surprised to see they were actually true



The moment you start criminalizing people on opinions, shows that a nation has conceded the debate on this and is unable to reason why such views are wrong.

You tackle such poor views with rational views to show why they are wrong. The moment you criminalize them, then you concede ground to those of hate.

I can't understand what you're saying here didge. what views are poor?

From what I see, this is becoming a major problem and is only going to ensure support to the Far Right, mainly by regressive idiots. They think shuting down debate is the answer. No that is totalitarian and does nothing to actually combat the problem of those who promote hate. We need people to stand up to the far right with reason and completely ridicule their poor arguments.

how are you defining far right

again what poor argument?


Reason is always the answer to combat those of hate

I did watch the video but you've completely lost me

gelico wrote:

Didge wrote:I dont normally post videos like this, but on this one, there is actually many links that is highlighted on this in the video

I would have to check them all out to see if viable, but it does make the same claim happenning in Sweden and even worse on returning ISIS members

You need to stop the video when they are highlighted and check the headlines and search them. I did on the first few and was quite surprised to see they were actually true



The moment you start criminalizing people on opinions, shows that a nation has conceded the debate on this and is unable to reason why such views are wrong.

You tackle such poor views with rational views to show why they are wrong. The moment you criminalize them, then you concede ground to those of hate.

I can't understand what you're saying here didge.  what views are poor?

From what I see, this is becoming a major problem and is only going to ensure support to the Far Right, mainly by regressive idiots. They think shuting down debate is the answer. No that is totalitarian and does nothing to actually combat the problem of those who promote hate. We need people to stand up to the far right with reason and completely ridicule their poor arguments.

how are you defining far right

again what poor argument?


Reason is always the answer to combat those of hate

I did watch the video but you've completely lost me

Simple question

Are most immigrants or refugees rapists or criminals?

Here is why you tackle hate speech Gelico

Is there a problem with a criminal element that has entered Sweden?

Yes

The View by the Far right is to deny anyone entering based on skin tone and religion

Based off this and knowing that the vast majority of child sex offenders are white males in the UK. Knowing that most grooming gangs are asian Do you advocate the same view point in not allowing then any white males onto the streets of the UK? And not allowing asian people onto the streets and only black british?

Do you see how recoginizing an issue is not the same as using this to promote racial or religious hate?

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:
Political correctness is the cause of all the shit going on in my opinion .

I knew there would be a simple reason for all of the dumb shit in your opinions, VoD !!!

(Correct grammar and sentence structure is gold at times like this..).

Tommy Monk wrote:

BRITISH terror suspects returning from Syria will be offered taxpayer-funded council homes to "bribe" them not to attack the UK, according to reports.

The plans, codenamed Operation Constrain, could even see jihadis jumping to the top of council house waiting lists.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4792434/british-isis-jihadis-return-syria-uk-council-homes/




JIHADI brides who have sneaked back into Britain are getting trauma therapy at
taxpayers' expense. ... More than a dozen Islamic State women returning from
Syria have been through a counselling programme rather than being charged with terror offences.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/684616/Isis-jihadi-brides-trauma-therapy-taxpayers-unity-initiative-islamic-state-returners





While a white British man returning to UK from fighting against ISIS...


A British man who travelled to Syria to fight against Islamic State has been
charged with terror offences, police have said. Aidan James, 27, from Merseyside
, is accused of the preparation of a terrorist act and attending a place used for terrorist training, after he joined the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), which the British government has openly supported since Isis declared an “Islamic caliphate” in 2014.

James is due to appear at Westminster magistrates court on Friday.

A spokesperson for Greater Manchester police said: “Aidan James, of no fixed abode, has been charged with one count of preparation of terrorist acts contrary to section 5 of the Terrorism Act 2006 and two counts of attendance at a place used for terrorist training contrary to section 8 of the Terrorism Act 2006.”

The UK government has repeatedly warned that anyone travelling to join a foreign conflict may be prosecuted. The case is the second of its kind to emerge in as many weeks.


AND ALSO FROM THE SAME ARTICLE...


On Wednesday, James Matthews, 43, from London, was cheered by Kurdish supporters and other returned anti-Isis fighters as he appeared in court charged with one count of attending a place used for terrorist training. He pleaded not guilty.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/16/british-man-aidan-james-fought-isis-syria-charged-terror-offences

Another OP reminder for Didge.


Stop hijacking and diverting my thread... start your own thread if you want to post about Sweden!

A reminder for Tommy

Get stuffed, as you costantly hijack mine

Didge wrote:Here is why you tackle hate speech Gelico

Is there a problem with a criminal element that has entered Sweden?

Yes

The View by the Far right is to deny anyone entering based on skin tone and religion


I still don't get how that has anything to do with the video. Who is this far right? What exactly are they saying? Are there some examples? and how did they get into the discussion of your video?

Based off this and knowing that the vast majority of child sex offenders are white males in the UK. Didge, the vast majority of adult men in the UK are white males so that was just stating the obvious,,,,,, Knowing that most grooming gangs are asian Actually, the vast majority were found to be Pakistani Muslims. Young underage Sikh girls have also been targetted by these gangs and yet you have just swept along Hindus, Sikhs etc with your term ''asian''. Do you realise how racist that just was? Do you advocate the same view point in not allowing then any white males onto the streets of the UK? And not allowing asian people onto the streets and only black british?

Do you see how recoginizing an issue is not the same as using this to promote racial or religious hate?

This issue is only reluctantly being recognised now after many many years of refusal, denial, hounding the victims etc and if it wasn't for people like Tommy Robinson and a few others exposing it all, it still wouldn't be recognised imo. Very very few MPs would speak and those that were brave enough to do so were also shut up very quickly or just ignored

So who is promoting racial or religious hate?

you keep saying that and talking about far right but have given no examples of this at all

I don't see why they should be allowed back, let alone giving them homes. It's like in the last war, us allowing Nazi wives to come here, just would never happen.

Whoever makes the rules on this needs firing.

we (the government) are being controlled by the Turkish Government it would seem


@Tommy - sorry about the diversion

gelico wrote:I still don't get how that has anything to do with the video.  Who is this far right?  What exactly are they saying?  Are there some examples? and how did they get into the discussion of your video?

Didge wrote:Who is the Far Right?
Are you kidding me?
This coming from the person that claim a known Italian fascist party was not Far right?
That claimed Poles were sick of immigration, and yet we see a rise in Poles attacking Jews through antisemitism?
How did they get into the discussion?
Because they play off a fear based on what some immigrants do, as if then people should fear all Muslims, JMews, Blacks etc immigrants. Can you not even see that by how the video portrays this?

Actually, the vast majority were found to be Pakistani Muslims.  Young underage Sikh girls have also been targetted by these gangs and yet you have just swept along Hindus, Sikhs etc with your term ''asian''.  Do you realise how racist that just was?

Didge wrote:Which shows you do not understand racism. Which is a view percived to view a group as inferior. Can you shown I have done that? Its not just pakistanis, but Afghanistanis etc You want to change how the Uk defines people based ethnically, be my guest, but then you would be charging the UK system as racist, based on some warped PC you seem to follow,
Here we are again. Its appalling how many young girls were ignored and let down by the system, but this represents a fraction of the number of child abuse victims.

Hence my my point and I shall now narrow this further for you.

Shall we restrict men to remain in doors, knowing they commit most violent crimes, rape, child abuse etc?

Then tell me whether you are for controlled immigration or stopping immigration based religiously and ethnically?

This issue is only reluctantly being recognised now after many many years of refusal, denial, hounding the victims etc and if it wasn't for people like Tommy Robinson and a few others exposing it all, it still wouldn't be recognised imo.  Very very few MPs would speak and those that were brave enough to do so were also shut up very quickly or just ignored

So who is promoting racial or religious hate?

you keep saying that and talking about far right but have given no examples of this at all

Tommy Robinson?
Giove me a break. The man is an idiot, you wanna worship him, be my guest.
You do not tackle problems by castigating a whole group of people, as the Far Right do
I mean you only have to see the recent drama with Oswald Mosely son, in the press this week with a pamphlet saying the same crap back in the 1960's that is being said now.
Yes there is always some problems with immigration, but as seen then many integrated. We have an issue that some do not and that the governement has to ensure to tackle this problem
THis claim that people are too afraid to speak in this country is bollocks

I have given you plenty of examples and the concern I have Gelico, is that you have no idea how you are slipping into bed with them.

That was evident the other day on the Italian thread

Yes we have to talk and tackle problems and the left try to stifle this, but they will never be able to do that, unless people vote in a marxist Corbyn Governement. That is what you should also be worried about

You tackle problems through reason, not ostracize. You will never change problems that way.
The world progressed because people challenged things rationally with reason

Tommy Monk wrote:

BRITISH terror suspects returning from Syria will be offered taxpayer-funded council homes to "bribe" them not to attack the UK, according to reports.

The plans, codenamed Operation Constrain, could even see jihadis jumping to the top of council house waiting lists.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4792434/british-isis-jihadis-return-syria-uk-council-homes/




JIHADI brides who have sneaked back into Britain are getting trauma therapy at
taxpayers' expense. ... More than a dozen Islamic State women returning from
Syria have been through a counselling programme rather than being charged with terror offences.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/684616/Isis-jihadi-brides-trauma-therapy-taxpayers-unity-initiative-islamic-state-returners





While a white British man returning to UK from fighting against ISIS...


A British man who travelled to Syria to fight against Islamic State has been
charged with terror offences, police have said. Aidan James, 27, from Merseyside
, is accused of the preparation of a terrorist act and attending a place used for terrorist training, after he joined the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), which the British government has openly supported since Isis declared an “Islamic caliphate” in 2014.

James is due to appear at Westminster magistrates court on Friday.

A spokesperson for Greater Manchester police said: “Aidan James, of no fixed abode, has been charged with one count of preparation of terrorist acts contrary to section 5 of the Terrorism Act 2006 and two counts of attendance at a place used for terrorist training contrary to section 8 of the Terrorism Act 2006.”

The UK government has repeatedly warned that anyone travelling to join a foreign conflict may be prosecuted. The case is the second of its kind to emerge in as many weeks.


AND ALSO FROM THE SAME ARTICLE...


On Wednesday, James Matthews, 43, from London, was cheered by Kurdish supporters and other returned anti-Isis fighters as he appeared in court charged with one count of attending a place used for terrorist training. He pleaded not guilty.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/16/british-man-aidan-james-fought-isis-syria-charged-terror-offences

This thread is about the UK authorities giving ISIS terrorists special treatment and failing to prosecute them... while instead prosecuting those returning white British non Muslims who actually fought against ISIS...!!!

What was the point of making consorting with ISIS illegal in this country if they're not going to prosecute those who do it?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

BRITISH terror suspects returning from Syria will be offered taxpayer-funded council homes to "bribe" them not to attack the UK, according to reports.

The plans, codenamed Operation Constrain, could even see jihadis jumping to the top of council house waiting lists.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4792434/british-isis-jihadis-return-syria-uk-council-homes/




JIHADI brides who have sneaked back into Britain are getting trauma therapy at
taxpayers' expense. ... More than a dozen Islamic State women returning from
Syria have been through a counselling programme rather than being charged with terror offences.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/684616/Isis-jihadi-brides-trauma-therapy-taxpayers-unity-initiative-islamic-state-returners





While a white British man returning to UK from fighting against ISIS...


A British man who travelled to Syria to fight against Islamic State has been
charged with terror offences, police have said. Aidan James, 27, from Merseyside
, is accused of the preparation of a terrorist act and attending a place used for terrorist training, after he joined the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), which the British government has openly supported since Isis declared an “Islamic caliphate” in 2014.

James is due to appear at Westminster magistrates court on Friday.

A spokesperson for Greater Manchester police said: “Aidan James, of no fixed abode, has been charged with one count of preparation of terrorist acts contrary to section 5 of the Terrorism Act 2006 and two counts of attendance at a place used for terrorist training contrary to section 8 of the Terrorism Act 2006.”

The UK government has repeatedly warned that anyone travelling to join a foreign conflict may be prosecuted. The case is the second of its kind to emerge in as many weeks.


AND ALSO FROM THE SAME ARTICLE...


On Wednesday, James Matthews, 43, from London, was cheered by Kurdish supporters and other returned anti-Isis fighters as he appeared in court charged with one count of attending a place used for terrorist training. He pleaded not guilty.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/16/british-man-aidan-james-fought-isis-syria-charged-terror-offences

This thread is about the UK authorities giving ISIS terrorists special treatment and failing to prosecute them... while instead prosecuting those returning white British non Muslims who actually fought against ISIS...!!!

yeah, I know


''Dozens of British men – and one woman – have joined the YPG since the first volunteers began arriving there in autumn 2014. While most, until now, have been questioned by counter-terror officers upon their return, James and Matthews are the first to be charged under the Terrorism Act.

The charges signal a significant shift in how the British government treats citizens who volunteer to fight Isis in northern Syria.

The British, along with the US, France and other EU nations, have provided military, financial and tactical support for the YPG since 2014.


But it is considered a terrorist organisation by the Turkish government, which has applied continuing pressure on western governments to treat returning volunteers as terrorists.''


the government islamic appeasers ride again

I see a Guardian link but the Sun and the Daily Star?
Really, Tommy?

That’s not to say that I think there’s nothing to the actual story, but do you have any other articles?

gelico wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


This thread is about the UK authorities giving ISIS terrorists special treatment and failing to prosecute them... while instead prosecuting those returning white British non Muslims who actually fought against ISIS...!!!

yeah, I know


''Dozens of British men – and one woman – have joined the YPG since the first volunteers began arriving there in autumn 2014. While most, until now, have been questioned by counter-terror officers upon their return, James and Matthews are the first to be charged under the Terrorism Act.

The charges signal a significant shift in how the British government treats citizens who volunteer to fight Isis in northern Syria.

The British, along with the US, France and other EU nations, have provided military, financial and tactical support for the YPG since 2014.


But it is considered a terrorist organisation by the Turkish government, which has applied continuing pressure on western governments to treat returning volunteers as terrorists.''


the government islamic appeasers ride again

Thanks Geli...


So when are we going to see western govt politicians getting prosecuted for aiding/arming the YPG 'terrorist' organisation...?


And when are the returning ISIS real terrorists going to get prosecuted...?



Eddie (YWGASWOMP)... if the guardian is good enough for you, then so should the others be...!

Just for Eddie...


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5431253/amp/GP-reveals-effort-free-jihadi-brides-ISIS-control.html


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/home-office-jihadis-council-houses-isis-support-fight-terrorism-strategy-operation-constrain-a8030321.html?amp

From the daily mail article about counselling instead of prosecution...


"...About 18 former IS men have also gone through the programme..."



WTF!!!???


They should all be getting prosecuted!!!


And heavy sentences in jail!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Just for Eddie...


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5431253/amp/GP-reveals-effort-free-jihadi-brides-ISIS-control.html


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/home-office-jihadis-council-houses-isis-support-fight-terrorism-strategy-operation-constrain-a8030321.html?amp

Thank you.

And what the fuck is a “YWGASWOMP”?

An acronym...

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Just for Eddie...


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5431253/amp/GP-reveals-effort-free-jihadi-brides-ISIS-control.html


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/home-office-jihadis-council-houses-isis-support-fight-terrorism-strategy-operation-constrain-a8030321.html?amp

Thank you.

And what the fuck is a “YWGASWOMP”?  

Well, I must confess I have had a few major GAS WOMPS today but I don't know what the 'YW' at the beginning stands for,,,,,

YWGASWOMP

Yes, why's Gel and Syl wearing odd material pumps?

magica wrote:YWGASWOMP

Yes, why's Gel and Syl wearing odd material pumps?

No no, it means...

YWGASWOMP

You will give a shit when ..?

Oops lol Syl, was just me being silly

All wrong...


Oh dear... what have I started here...?

Young women give a sensational wriggle on my pants?

magica wrote:Oops lol Syl, was just me being silly

ditto....YWGASWOMP..

Yesterday was grim as snow washed over my patio.

Tommy Monk wrote:All wrong...


Oh dear... what have I started here...?

what's the first two words?

i love a guessing game