WAR ON ISIS: 34 Muslim NATIONS JOIN FORCES WITH MILITARY ALLIANCE TO FIGHT DAESH TERRORISM

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:11 am

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Muslim nations around the world have decided to join forces and set up a military coalition to combat terrorism. There has been increasing pressure on Muslim nations, especially the rich Gulf states, to do more to fight against the Islamic State (Isis) militant group.

The alliance, led by Saudi Arabia, will see 34 Muslim nations join forces to "protect the Islamic nation from the evils of all terrorist groups and organisations." Majority Shi'ite Muslim Iran was conspicuous by its absence from the list of nations.

A statement published by Saudi Arabia's state news agency SPA said more than 10 countries, including Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, have "expressed their support" for the alliance and will take the necessary measures. A joint operations centre will be set up in Riyadh to coordinate and support military operations to fight terrorism and "to develop the necessary programmes and mechanisms to support these efforts."

The statement said that "appropriate arrangements" will be developed for coordination with "friendly peace-loving nations" and international bodies to support international efforts to combat terrorism.

The joint statement was accompanied by a rare press conference by Saudi Arabia's deputy crown prince, second deputy prime minister and minister of defense, 30-year-old Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud. However, he failed to give any insight on how the military cooperation aims to undertake its fight against terrorism.

Salman told reporters on 15 December that the campaign would "coordinate" efforts to fight terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan but did not say how this will be carried out. "There will be international coordination with major powers and international organisations ... in terms of operations in Syria and Iraq. We can't undertake these operations without coordinating with legitimacy in this place and the international community," he added.

When asked if the new alliance will focus on just fighting IS (Daesh), Salman said the coalition would confront "any terrorist organisation that appears in front of us," including Isis.

Saudi Arabia and its Gulf Arab neighbours have been involved in a nine month warfare with Iran-allied rebels in neighbouring Yemen. A ceasefire however is set to take effect in Yemen on 15 December, alongside United Nations-backed peace talks. The joint statement on the military alliance to fight IS may be an indication of Saudi Arabia's decision to turn its attention back to pressing conflicts at the north of its borders.

IS has vowed to overthrow the monarchies of the Gulf and have launched a series of attacks on Shi'ite Muslim mosques and security forces in both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. The joint statement said the terrorism and its atrocities constitute a serious violation of human dignity and rights, especially the right to life and the right to security. It said: "Terrorism cannot be justified in any way, and hence it should be fought by all means and collaboration should be made to eliminate it."

It vowed the protect nations from "the evils of all armed groups and terrorist organisations- whatever their doctrine or title - which spread killing and corruption in the world and are designed to terrorise the innocent."
The 34 nations include:

Jordan;
United Arab Emirates;
Pakistan;
Bahrain;
Bangladesh;
Benin;
Turkey;
Chad;
Togo;
Tunisia;
Djibouti;
Senegal;
Sudan;
Sierra Leone;
Somalia;
Gabon;
Guinea;
Palestine;
Comoros;
Qatar;
Cote d'Ivoire;
Kuwait;
Lebanon;
Libya;
Maldives;
Mali;
Malaysia;
Egypt;
Morocco;
Mauritania;
Niger;
Nigeria; and
Yemen.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/34-Muslim-nations-finally-get-together-set-military-alliance-fight-terrorism-1533357

Given what the Saudis are doing in Yemem, not sure if this is a good or bad thing at the moment, whether it is what they say it is, or a grab for power. Will have to see how this one pans out. Certainly puts a spoke in the wheel of those who contend that Daesh is Islamic and all Muslims support terror.

by Victorismyhero Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:41 pm

didge...do you agree with the actions of the balck and tans in ireland or not?

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:44 pm

Lord Foul wrote:didge...do you agree with the actions of the balck and tans in ireland or not?

No Victor I do not agree with the intentional targeting of civillians by any group, whether Black and tans or Hamas

There is no international law that allows for the targeting of civillians, even if you view wrongly clearly that Israel is occupied,

Well we are seeing the true antisemitism coming out on this forum at last I see

by Victorismyhero Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:50 pm

so criticising israels over enthusiastic actions is anti semetism ??

yeah we know didge

isreal the champion of "victim status"

to be anti semetic you have to "hate jews"

ergo it is not antisemetism to criticise the actions of their govt

personally I see it as "six of one and half a dozen of the other"

both sides want their heads knocking together

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:56 pm

To be fair, Sassy has said that this thread proves there are Islamophobes on this forum.

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:57 pm

Lord Foul wrote:so criticising israels over enthusiastic actions is anti semetism ??

yeah we know didge

isreal the champion of "victim status"

to be anti semetic you have to "hate jews"

ergo it is not antisemetism to criticise the actions of their govt

personally I see it as "six of one and half a dozen of the other"

both sides want their heads knocking together

You claimed Hamas were freedom fighters, which means you would have to view all of Israel as in occupation.
Can you not see that?
I have no problem with criticsm of israel, but you did not do that.
You stated a group, which has vowed to wipe out Israel, are freedom fighters.
Gaza is not occupied, and again you stated this off where israeli civillians have bee deliberately targeted which is murder in peace time through terrorism or a a war crime in the time of war.
Now in 1964 the PA had a charter which did not even view the west bank or Gazaoccupied even though they were by Egypt and Jordan, so why was it they never ressisted this occupation, which was occupation?

I see it as youi being an apologist and even worse defending a poster here who does not view Israeli citizens as citizens but legitimate targets

Like I say if this had been smelly stating this of Palestinians, world war 3 would have broken out on here

Again what criticsm did you even make of Israel?

None

by Victorismyhero Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:39 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:so criticising israels over enthusiastic actions is anti semetism ??

yeah we know didge

isreal the champion of "victim status"

to be anti semetic you have to "hate jews"

ergo it is not antisemetism to criticise the actions of their govt

personally I see it as "six of one and half a dozen of the other"

both sides want their heads knocking together

You claimed Hamas were freedom fighters, which means you would have to view all of Israel as in occupation.

I didnt
Can you not see that?

I have no problem with criticsm of israel, but you did not do that.

I did

You stated a group, which has vowed to wipe out Israel, are freedom fighters.

I didnt

Gaza is not occupied, and again you stated this off where israeli civillians have bee deliberately targeted which is murder in peace time through terrorism or a a war crime in the time of war.
Now in 1964 the PA had a charter which did not even view the west bank or Gazaoccupied even though they were by Egypt and Jordan, so why was it they never ressisted this occupation, which was occupation?

I see it as youi being an apologist and even worse defending a poster here who does not view Israeli citizens as citizens but legitimate targets

wrong

Like I say if this had been smelly stating this of Palestinians, world war 3 would have broken out on here

Again what criticsm did you even make of Israel?

exactly,

None

Now then didge

perhaps I should simplify it to stop you flying into a temper tantrum at every perceived slight at israes

!one mans terrorist...is another mans freedom fighter...it all depends on your point of view

THE MAIN point I was making is that there is a world of difference between hammas and IS.....
and failure to see that difference is (or at least potentially could be) a serious mistake

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:49 pm

Do not patronise me you wally, I am in no way losing my temper, I just hate the pathetic attempts to defend a Muslim poster who is essentially racist and views people legitimate targets who are civillians, based off no sound reasoning other than indoctrinated hate.
No international law allows for the deliberate targetting of civillians
To do so is deligitimizing them as human beings.

There is little difference between them on how they view human life

Neither value human life
Each uses human shields
Each plays off martydom for its followes and glorifies them when they murder.
Each justifies the murder of civillians as legitimate

The only difference is on rape and on slaves, that hamas does not legitimize.

So its no point of view, if a freedom fighter deliberately targets a civillians, they cease to be a freedom fighter and a terrorist. Also freedom fighters denotes that the area is under occupation, which again Gaza is not occupied, so there is no view that would make hamas fighters as freedom fighters, unless you viewed all of Israel as occupied

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:02 pm

Right am I going home, buTt I suggest Victor you look far closer at the ideologies of each group. I do not deny ISIS are worse, but based on how they do not value human life, there is little difference.

Laters

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:02 pm

Does this mean you hate the Palestinians Didge? You haven't put forward the other side.

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:45 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Does this mean you hate the Palestinians Didge? You haven't put forward the other side.

No I do not hate the Palestinians Rags

I believe they have been sadly indoctrinated with hate for years by the PA, Hamas etc.
I am all for the creation of a Palestinian state that allows for the well being and equality of all living there that recognies the right of Israel to exist.
As seen many Muslims deny the existance of Israel and deligitimize the civillians, which at every turn is what has denied peace, because as seen other Muslim majority nations have come to peace with Israel.

by Ben Reilly Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:51 pm

This thread is dismaying; I read this in the news this morning and thought it was such a great thing. 34 nations headed up by Saudi Arabia, the most important country in the Islamic world, declaring war not only on ISIS but on all similar groups. This is huge!

And so much crapping on it in this thread, even from Didge, who has often said that the Islamic world is really the only entity that can stop this kind of terrorism.

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:53 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:This thread is dismaying; I read this in the news this morning and thought it was such a great thing. 34 nations headed up by Saudi Arabia, the most important country in the Islamic world, declaring war not only on ISIS but on all similar groups. This is huge!

And so much crapping on it in this thread, even from Didge, who has often said that the Islamic world is really the only entity that can stop this kind of terrorism.

And of course again the leftist a ignores the blatant hate justifying the attack of israeli citizens
That means some terrorist groups are not deemed terrorist dependent on the victims

You are an absolute joke.
Like I said you are one of the worst apologists going if smelly had of said this of Muslims, you would of banned him, oh you already did that.,
Like I say people are the worst idiots going

Until I see some action words are meaningless

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:57 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:This thread is dismaying; I read this in the news this morning and thought it was such a great thing. 34 nations headed up by Saudi Arabia, the most important country in the Islamic world, declaring war not only on ISIS but on all similar groups. This is huge!

And so much crapping on it in this thread, even from Didge, who has often said that the Islamic world is really the only entity that can stop this kind of terrorism.

It's a pity Saudi didn't declare war on such groups involving it's own citizens before 9/11 isn't it? Still, it's nice that you admire them so much.

As for anyone "crapping" on this thread, questioning the meaning of such a statement is called debating.

by Ben Reilly Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:58 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:This thread is dismaying; I read this in the news this morning and thought it was such a great thing. 34 nations headed up by Saudi Arabia, the most important country in the Islamic world, declaring war not only on ISIS but on all similar groups. This is huge!

And so much crapping on it in this thread, even from Didge, who has often said that the Islamic world is really the only entity that can stop this kind of terrorism.

And of course again the leftist a ignores the blatant hate justifying the attack of israeli citizens
That means some terrorist groups are not deemed terrorist dependent on the victims

You are an absolute joke.
Like I said you are one of the worst apologists going if smelly had of said this of Muslims, you would of banned him, oh you already did that.,
Like I say people are the worst idiots going

Until I see some action words are meaningless

Where did I even mention Israel?

by Ben Reilly Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:58 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:This thread is dismaying; I read this in the news this morning and thought it was such a great thing. 34 nations headed up by Saudi Arabia, the most important country in the Islamic world, declaring war not only on ISIS but on all similar groups. This is huge!

And so much crapping on it in this thread, even from Didge, who has often said that the Islamic world is really the only entity that can stop this kind of terrorism.

It's a pity Saudi didn't declare war on such groups involving it's own citizens before 9/11 isn't it? Still, it's nice that you admire them so much.

As for anyone "crapping" on this thread, questioning the meaning of such a statement is called debating.

Better late than never. And it's not a statement; it's a coalition.

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:59 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:

And of course again the leftist a ignores the blatant hate justifying the attack of israeli citizens
That means some terrorist groups are not deemed terrorist dependent on the victims

You are an absolute joke.
Like I said you are one of the worst apologists going if smelly had of said this of Muslims, you would of banned him, oh you already did that.,
Like I say people are the worst idiots going

Until I see some action words are meaningless

Where did I even mention Israel?

Read back dummy

The point of the argument here is who do they deem terrorist and who do they ignore as terrorists.

Try reading the debate before you continually make a dick of yourself

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:00 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's a pity Saudi didn't declare war on such groups involving it's own citizens before 9/11 isn't it? Still, it's nice that you admire them so much.

As for anyone "crapping" on this thread, questioning the meaning of such a statement is called debating.

Better late than never. And it's not a statement; it's a coalition.

I was talking about the statement from Salman - try reading the thread.

by Ben Reilly Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:09 pm

I skimmed it, don't have time to read in depth analysis of bullshit that has nothing to do with the story.

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:10 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I skimmed it, don't have time to read in depth analysis of bullshit that has nothing to do with the story.

It has everything to do with the story. If you can't be bothered to read it, don't make ignorant statements.

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:12 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I skimmed it, don't have time to read in depth analysis of bullshit that has nothing to do with the story.

You are such an apologist idiot
It has everything to do with the story if groups of terrorists are not deemed as terrorists
Seriously Ben you have finally proven to me once and for all you have not got an absolute clue
You do realise Suadi has been targetting a shia group in Yemen where over 6000 have been killed and only a ceasefire has come into effect. Is their view of terrorists going to mainly only be shia groups?

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:41 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:This thread is dismaying; I read this in the news this morning and thought it was such a great thing. 34 nations headed up by Saudi Arabia, the most important country in the Islamic world, declaring war not only on ISIS but on all similar groups. This is huge!

And so much crapping on it in this thread, even from Didge, who has often said that the Islamic world is really the only entity that can stop this kind of terrorism.

My feelings entirely, as I said in the beginning, it most certainly is huge.

Even from Didge? I expected it from Didge, that's why I kept bumping it as he was trying to ignore it. He doesn't want Muslim nations to actually do anything, he just wants to keep on about Islam and how they should stand up to terrorism and how awful Islam is. When they actually do anything he's like a fish out of water. You really need to work out that he is one of the worst Islamaphobes on this site, he just wants you to think differently.

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:45 pm

sassy wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:This thread is dismaying; I read this in the news this morning and thought it was such a great thing. 34 nations headed up by Saudi Arabia, the most important country in the Islamic world, declaring war not only on ISIS but on all similar groups. This is huge!

And so much crapping on it in this thread, even from Didge, who has often said that the Islamic world is really the only entity that can stop this kind of terrorism.

My feelings entirely, as I said in the beginning, it most certainly is huge.

Even from Didge? I expected it from Didge, that's why I kept bumping it as he was trying to ignore it. He doesn't want Muslim nations to actually do anything, he just wants to keep on about Islam and how they should stand up to terrorism and how awful Islam is. When they actually do anything he's like a fish out of water. You really need to work out that he is one of the worst Islamaphobes on this site, he just wants you to think differently.

And as usual sassy misses the point
What if this coalition is then used to attack Iran or any supportive group of Iran?
Yes we know Ben adores you and allows leftiest racists to get away with murder, hence why I have no respect for his apologist bull.
The point is its all well and good having a coalition but not when you do not know who they deem as terrorist.

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:52 pm

I think my posts on this thread have been very much on topic and relevant. It's important not to take this kind of story at face value. Of course it would be good if everyone took on ISIS, but the statement was a little vague in that respect.

by Ben Reilly Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:56 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
sassy wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:This thread is dismaying; I read this in the news this morning and thought it was such a great thing. 34 nations headed up by Saudi Arabia, the most important country in the Islamic world, declaring war not only on ISIS but on all similar groups. This is huge!

And so much crapping on it in this thread, even from Didge, who has often said that the Islamic world is really the only entity that can stop this kind of terrorism.

My feelings entirely, as I said in the beginning, it most certainly is huge.

Even from Didge? I expected it from Didge, that's why I kept bumping it as he was trying to ignore it. He doesn't want Muslim nations to actually do anything, he just wants to keep on about Islam and how they should stand up to terrorism and how awful Islam is. When they actually do anything he's like a fish out of water. You really need to work out that he is one of the worst Islamaphobes on this site, he just wants you to think differently.

And as usual sassy misses the point
What if this coalition is then used to attack Iran or any supportive group of Iran?
Yes we know Ben adores you and allows leftiest racists to get away with murder, hence why I have no respect for his apologist bull.
The point is its all well and good having a coalition but not when you do not know who they deem as terrorist.

What's stuck up your crack today? You can't just debate like a civilized person?

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:56 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I think my posts on this thread have been very much on topic and relevant. It's important not to take this kind of story at face value. Of course it would be good if everyone took on ISIS, but the statement was a little vague in that respect.

Sorry Rags, we are menat to take this at face value and believe they mean to take on all terroists and that we should be ashamed of ourselves for having legitimate questions over who they deem and who they do not deem, as terrorists.
Sadly the left are unable to think out of the box, where already saudi has been involved in a military campaign bombing targets in Yemen against what it deems as terrorists, even though both sides in Yemen are murdering each other in suicide attacks

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:58 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:

And as usual sassy misses the point
What if this coalition is then used to attack Iran or any supportive group of Iran?
Yes we know Ben adores you and allows leftiest racists to get away with murder, hence why I have no respect for his apologist bull.
The point is its all well and good having a coalition but not when you do not know who they deem as terrorist.

What's stuck up your crack today? You can't just debate like a civilized person?

Sorry did you say civilized after a poster viewed Israel civillians as a legitimate target and not the victims of terrorism?

Double stanards and again a very poor deflection.

I will happily be nicer when you stop showing the worst hypocrisy as I cannot stand two faced people

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:59 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

What's stuck up your crack today? You can't just debate like a civilized person?

Sorry did you say civilized after a poster viewed Israel civillians as a legitimate target and not the victims of terrorism?

Double stanards and again a very poor deflection.

I will happily be nicer when you stop showing the worst hypocrisy as I cannot stand two faced people

You've been acting like a bit of a bully today. Lol!

Just because people have different view from you. Tut-tut.

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:01 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:

Sorry did you say civilized after a poster viewed Israel civillians as a legitimate target and not the victims of terrorism?

Double stanards and again a very poor deflection.

I will happily be nicer when you stop showing the worst hypocrisy as I cannot stand two faced people

You've been acting like a bit of a bully today. Lol!

Just because people have different view from you. Tut-tut.

WAR ON ISIS: 34 Muslim NATIONS JOIN FORCES WITH MILITARY ALLIANCE TO FIGHT DAESH TERRORISM - Page 3 Z

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:02 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:one mans "terrorist" is another mans freedom fighter

the difference between daesh and hammas is that that daesh are NOT fighting to "free" anyone, they are attempting a war of conquest. They have this dream of a primitive downtrodden "caliphate" where they are some sort of neolithic overlords.

Now I know you will insist that hammas seek a war of conquest over israel, and indeed It could be viewed that way, but, hammas and daesh ARE NOT ALIKE. Indeed were you to suggest it to them I suspect they would be horrified.

Sorry that has to be the worst horsehsit I have ever read.

Hamas' military wing in Gaza is paying tens of thousands of dollars each month to Islamic State's Sinai branch, in exchange for the group's help with smuggling weapons into the Strip.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4739234,00.html

Maybe you can explain to me the Hamas charter which vows to wipe out the Jews?

Hamas is not fighting any war to free anyone, Gaza is not occupied, unless you view Israel as occupied?

Do you?

Talk about the worst apologist shit ever.

I note you didn't have the guts to accuse Victor of anti Semitism. Lol!

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:04 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:

Sorry that has to be the worst horsehsit I have ever read.

Hamas' military wing in Gaza is paying tens of thousands of dollars each month to Islamic State's Sinai branch, in exchange for the group's help with smuggling weapons into the Strip.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4739234,00.html

Maybe you can explain to me the Hamas charter which vows to wipe out the Jews?

Hamas is not fighting any war to free anyone, Gaza is not occupied, unless you view Israel as occupied?

Do you?

Talk about the worst apologist shit ever.

I note you didn't have the guts to accuse Victor of anti Semitism. Lol!

Which shows how wrong you are.

I suggest you read through before as you have just done and as per usual make a tit of yourself

I suggest you take your foot out of your mouth

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:06 pm

Firstly, this Saudi alliance is about dealing with terrorism within the this Sunni Muslim alliance. Try reading Didge.

Last time I checked, Israel was not Sunni Muslim. D'UH!

Therefore Hamas (if one considered it to be a terrorist organisation) would be outside of the scope of this alliance unless Hamas attacked one of the listed countries.

The fact you didn't get that Didge, shows your lack of understanding.

And what makes you think Saudi and Israel don't have an alliance behind the scenes?

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:06 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:

Sorry did you say civilized after a poster viewed Israel civillians as a legitimate target and not the victims of terrorism?

Double stanards and again a very poor deflection.

I will happily be nicer when you stop showing the worst hypocrisy as I cannot stand two faced people

You've been acting like a bit of a bully today. Lol!

Just because people have different view from you. Tut-tut.

What'do you mean today. It's permanent isn't it. He's as mad as a hatter.

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:07 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I note you didn't have the guts to accuse Victor of anti Semitism. Lol!

Which shows how wrong you are.

I suggest you read through before as you have just done and as per usual make a tit of yourself

I suggest you take your foot out of your mouth

You didn't accuse him of being anti Semitic or racist.

I was right. Lol!

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:07 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Firstly, this Saudi alliance is about dealing with terrorism within the this Sunni Muslim alliance. Try reading Didge.

Last time I checked, Israel was not Sunni Muslim. D'UH!

Therefore Hamas (if one considered it to be a terrorist organisation) would be outside of the scope of this alliance unless Hamas attacked one of the listed countries.

The fact you didn't get that Didge, shows your lack of understanding.

And what makes you think Saudi and Israel don't have an alliance behind the scenes?

Palestine is on the list of participating countries though, so Hamas are not outside the scope of this alliance - in theory anyway.

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:08 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Firstly, this Saudi alliance is about dealing with terrorism within the this Sunni Muslim alliance. Try reading Didge.

Last time I checked, Israel was not Sunni Muslim. D'UH!

Therefore Hamas (if one considered it to be a terrorist organisation) would be outside of the scope of this alliance unless Hamas attacked one of the listed countries.

The fact you didn't get that Didge, shows your lack of understanding.

And what makes you think Saudi and Israel don't have an alliance behind the scenes?

It does http://journal-neo.org/2015/09/15/the-alliance-between-israel-and-saudi-arabia/

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:08 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Firstly, this Saudi alliance is about dealing with terrorism within the this Sunni Muslim alliance. Try reading Didge.

Last time I checked, Israel was not Sunni Muslim. D'UH!

Therefore Hamas (if one considered it to be a terrorist organisation) would be outside of the scope of this alliance unless Hamas attacked one of the listed countries.

The fact you didn't get that Didge, shows your lack of understanding.

And what makes you think Saudi and Israel don't have an alliance behind the scenes?

Last I checked Muslim terrorists have been attacking civillians in Israel.
Hence why I knew I could prove how racist sexy was after before when she said Hitler should have finsihed the job.
She views israeli civtizens as legitimate targets
I really do not need any advise either from a sheep when you should be condemning sexy for her views which dehumanizes Israeli citizens.
Which funnilly enough so did Hitler dehumanize Jews

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:11 pm

So the question remains - is this alliance only to protect Muslims? If so, they won't give a toss what Hamas do in Israel or Palestine as long as they don't murder Muslims by mistake.

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Firstly, this Saudi alliance is about dealing with terrorism within the this Sunni Muslim alliance. Try reading Didge.

Last time I checked, Israel was not Sunni Muslim. D'UH!

Therefore Hamas (if one considered it to be a terrorist organisation) would be outside of the scope of this alliance unless Hamas attacked one of the listed countries.

The fact you didn't get that Didge, shows your lack of understanding.

And what makes you think Saudi and Israel don't have an alliance behind the scenes?

Palestine is on the list of participating countries though, so Hamas are not outside the scope of this alliance - in theory anyway.

I didn't know that.

But Hamas are the government in Gaza, not a terrorist organisation.

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:18 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:So the question remains - is this alliance only to protect Muslims? If so, they won't give a toss what Hamas do in Israel or Palestine as long as they don't murder Muslims by mistake.

It's to protect civilians within the alliance.

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:18 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Palestine is on the list of participating countries though, so Hamas are not outside the scope of this alliance - in theory anyway.

I didn't know that.

But Hamas are the government in Gaza, not a terrorist organisation.

To the EU and the US, Canada etc they are a terrorist organisation.
So we are back to who this coalition deem terrorist and who they do not deem terrorist

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:19 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So the question remains - is this alliance only to protect Muslims? If so, they won't give a toss what Hamas do in Israel or Palestine as long as they don't murder Muslims by mistake.

It's to protect civilians within the alliance.

Which based on their record in Yemen, has not been that great has it?
Tell me, what methods do Saudi use to warn of airstrikes in Yemen?

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:21 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Palestine is on the list of participating countries though, so Hamas are not outside the scope of this alliance - in theory anyway.

I didn't know that.

But Hamas are the government in Gaza, not a terrorist organisation.

Even the military wing?

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:21 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Firstly, this Saudi alliance is about dealing with terrorism within the this Sunni Muslim alliance. Try reading Didge.

Last time I checked, Israel was not Sunni Muslim. D'UH!

Therefore Hamas (if one considered it to be a terrorist organisation) would be outside of the scope of this alliance unless Hamas attacked one of the listed countries.

The fact you didn't get that Didge, shows your lack of understanding.

And what makes you think Saudi and Israel don't have an alliance behind the scenes?

Last I checked Muslim terrorists have been attacking civillians in Israel.
Hence why I knew I could prove how racist sexy was after before when she said Hitler should have finsihed the job.
She views israeli civtizens as legitimate targets
I really do not need any advise either from a sheep when you should be condemning sexy for her views which dehumanizes Israeli citizens.
Which funnilly enough so did Hitler dehumanize Jews

What's SM have to do with my reply? Lol! I was talking about Victor (although I agree with Victor).

I wouldn't really play the judgemental and high and mighty card. That's the problem with militant atheists, people like you think they're God. Lol!

SM has mentioned on this thread she is against the killing of civilians. So don't lie and slander.

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:22 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I didn't know that.

But Hamas are the government in Gaza, not a terrorist organisation.

Even the military wing?

Are they attacking civilians in Palestine?

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:22 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So the question remains - is this alliance only to protect Muslims? If so, they won't give a toss what Hamas do in Israel or Palestine as long as they don't murder Muslims by mistake.

It's to protect civilians within the alliance.

It's to protect the "Islamic nation" according to the article.

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:23 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

It's to protect civilians within the alliance.

Which based on their record in Yemen, has not been that great has it?
Tell me, what methods do Saudi use to warn of airstrikes in Yemen?

Are you recommending what Israel do and drop a small bomb first?

by Raggamuffin Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:23 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Even the military wing?

Are they attacking civilians in Palestine?

The article doesn't mention civilians.

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:24 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

It's to protect civilians within the alliance.

It's to protect the "Islamic nation" according to the article.

Are you a bit slow? Sorry to be rude but Israel part of any Islamlic nation?

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Are they attacking civilians in Palestine?

The article doesn't mention civilians.

It's to protect against terrorists within those territories who do you think they will defend? lol

by Fuzzy Zack Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:26 pm

And FYI - Israel and Saudi do work together. This was exposed by Wikileaks.

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