London Muslim schoolgirl who went to join isis may be dead

eddie wrote:Oh well, her mission is complete. She will be happy then.

sassy wrote:When she went she was 16.   If a 16 year old had been groomed on line by a peado,  gone off the meet him and been killed getting away from him you would all have thought it was awful.

That's what happened to them, they were groomed by people who know exactly what they are doing and she died trying to get away.

I hope as 4Ever suggests, her parents find the strength to use this to stop it happening to others.

eddie wrote:Vic, something obviously happened to these girls. You are not born thinking like that.

Lord Foul wrote:Sassy...are you arguing that they are not mature enough to judge things properly?

sassy wrote:Yea ok, in your head they are not the same.   Think I know the reason why you think that.   And girls who get groomed by peado's don't go to hump,  there are all kinds of psychological reasons they go and you know that, don't pretend.

sassy wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:Sassy...are you arguing that they are not mature enough to judge things properly?

Of course they aren't, what 16 year old girl is, no matter how mature she pretends to be.

Lord Foul wrote:

sassy wrote:Yea ok, in your head they are not the same.   Think I know the reason why you think that.   And girls who get groomed by peado's don't go to hump,  there are all kinds of psychological reasons they go and you know that, don't pretend.

your problem is you "think" too much, trouble is you dont put any thought into it

At what age is the brain fully developed?

How the brain changes during development

1. Myelination: The nerve fibers in your brain are covered with a substance called “myelin.” This helps provide insulation so that neurons can effectively transmit signals. During developmental stages, the process of myelination promotes healthy brain functioning and allows for more complex functions.
   
2. Synaptic pruning: This is a process by which brain synapses are selectively “pruned” or eliminated throughout brain development. The process of synaptic pruning tends to peak during teenage years, and wanes in later adolescence. It should be noted that the pruning occurs until the brain is fully developed (likely into the mid-20s). This allows for more efficient brain functioning.
   
3. Increased connectivity: The connections between brain regions appear to be strengthened, thus making communication more efficient. The brain is able to transmit greater amounts of information between regions and becomes better at planning, dealing with emotions, and problem solving.
   
4. Executive functions: A majority of the executive functions that we develop are via the prefrontal cortex. This allows us to help assess risk, think ahead, evaluate ourselves, set goals, and regulate our emotions. Although many of these functions are developed during teenage years, they are still under slight development and strengthened until our mid-20s.
   

What does the prefrontal cortex do?

• Attention: The ability to focus on one thing, while ignoring distractions is a function of our prefrontal cortex. Those with attentional deficits (e.g. ADHD) may have abnormalities within the prefrontal region. Similarly, those who abuse drugs and/or alcohol may end up with attention problems as the brain forms.
  
• Complex planning: The prefrontal region is responsible for complex planning. Anytime you set a goal that requires some degree of planning, your prefrontal region is at work. Planning out tasks in your day, developing a business plan, etc. – this region is responsible. An underdeveloped prefrontal region means that your planning capabilities haven’t been solidified.
  
• Decision making: We often struggle to make good decisions when we are teenagers, but as we enter our 20s, our decision making improves. This is due to the fact that our prefrontal cortex helps us think logically and make more calculated assessments of situations. Our brain weighs the risks and tells us whether a certain behavior or choice is a good idea vs. a bad one.
  
• Impulse control: Struggling with impulsivity is often related to deficits in the prefrontal cortex. The ability to maintain self-discipline and avoid impulsive behaviors hasn’t reached its peak until the 20s. This means that if you struggle with impulsivity when you’re 18, it may get better as you continue to age.
  
• Logical thinking: Justifying behaviors based off of emotions rather than logic is common among teens. When the prefrontal cortex fully develops, logical thinking simultaneously improves. This means you will be better at rationalizing and making smarter choices. It also means that your ability to write and solve math problems will improve.
  
• Organized thinking: Organizing your thinking can be difficult when you’re a teen. A barrage of thoughts are typically influenced by hormones and you may have concentration difficulties. As you continue to age and your thoughts become more organized. The organization of your thoughts is a result of your prefrontal cortex.
  
• Personality development: Your personality is directly expressed based off of your prefrontal cortex. Without proper stimulation, you may struggle with identity issues and developing a favorable personality. Since personality development continues throughout the 20s, you may want to consider how environmental inputs may affect who you are.
  
• Risk management: The ability to assess risky situations and determine whether they will result in long-term benefit is a byproduct of your prefrontal cortex. Those who are poor at assessing risk may have underdeveloped prefrontal regions. The ability to turn down immediate gratification for long-term rewards is a result of this region.
  
• Short-term memory: Your short-term memory function is influenced by the prefrontal cortex. When still in development, your short-term memory isn’t as good as it will be by the time you’re 25. As the brain continues to mature, your cognitive function and memorization capacity will improve.
  

Lord Foul wrote:

sassy wrote:


Of course they aren't, what 16 year old girl is, no matter how mature she pretends to be.

so you are saying that 16 yolds are NOT able to make sound judgements for themselves, based on evidence thats available to them?

eddie wrote:The decision-making part of your brain, if you believe the science, is not fully formed until 21, if I recall.

Anyway, this is explanatory: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-still-under-construction/index.shtml

sassy wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

sassy wrote:Yea ok, in your head they are not the same.   Think I know the reason why you think that.   And girls who get groomed by peado's don't go to hump,  there are all kinds of psychological reasons they go and you know that, don't pretend.

your problem is you "think" too much, trouble is you dont put any thought into it

No, my problem is I think a lot and deeply and am not swayed by fear and loathing.

which comment proves my point entirely...remember a good while back, could even have been on ADO.....there was a case where a 16 y old scroat fried himself trying to theive cable from a sub station??? I had exactly the same POV towards HIM.......so dont , my dear, try your "bigot by insistance" game on me.......

At What Age Is The Brain Fully Developed?


It is widely debated as to which age the brain is considered “fully mature” or developed. In the past, many experts believed that the brain may have been done developing in the mid to late teens. Then along came some evidence to suggest that development may last until at least age 20. These days, a consensus of neuroscientists agree that brain development likely persists until at least the mid-20s – possibly until the 30s.
The fact that our brains aren’t developed until the mid 20s means that “legal adults” (those age 18+) are allowed to make adult decisions, without fully mature brains.  Someone who is 18 may make riskier decisions than someone in their mid-20s in part due to lack of experience, but primarily due to an underdeveloped brain.  All behaviors and experiences you endure until the age of 25 have potential to impact your developing brain.

At what age is the brain fully developed?

Although brain development is subject to significant individual variation, most experts suggest that the brain is fully developed by age 25. For some people, brain development may be complete prior to age 25, while for others it may end after age 25.  The mid-20s or “25” is just an average age given as checkpoint for when the brain has likely become mature.
It may seem logical that those aged 18 to 25 are completely mature, the brain still is maturing – specifically the area known as the “prefrontal cortex.” Changes occurring between ages 18 and 25 are essentially a continued process of brain development that started during puberty. When you’re 18, you’re roughly halfway through the entire stage of development. The prefrontal cortex doesn’t have nearly the functional capacity at age 18 as it does at 25.
This means that some people may have major struggles with impulsive decisions and planning behavior to reach a goal. The brain’s reward system tends to reach a high level of activation during puberty, then gradually drifts back to normal activation when a person reaches roughly the age of 25. Adults over the age of 25 tend to feel less sensitive to the influence of peer pressure and have a much easier time handling it.

How the brain changes during development

From early stages of adolescence into adulthood, the brain experiences major growth and pruning. Initial developments begin near the back of the cortex, and tend to finish in the frontal areas (e.g. prefrontal cortex). There are a couple key ways by which the brain changes during various stages of development including: myelination as well as synaptic pruning.

1. Myelination: The nerve fibers in your brain are covered with a substance called “myelin.” This helps provide insulation so that neurons can effectively transmit signals. During developmental stages, the process of myelination promotes healthy brain functioning and allows for more complex functions.
   
2. Synaptic pruning: This is a process by which brain synapses are selectively “pruned” or eliminated throughout brain development. The process of synaptic pruning tends to peak during teenage years, and wanes in later adolescence. It should be noted that the pruning occurs until the brain is fully developed (likely into the mid-20s). This allows for more efficient brain functioning.
   
3. Increased connectivity: The connections between brain regions appear to be strengthened, thus making communication more efficient. The brain is able to transmit greater amounts of information between regions and becomes better at planning, dealing with emotions, and problem solving.
   
4. Executive functions: A majority of the executive functions that we develop are via the prefrontal cortex. This allows us to help assess risk, think ahead, evaluate ourselves, set goals, and regulate our emotions. Although many of these functions are developed during teenage years, they are still under slight development and strengthened until our mid-20s.
   

What does the prefrontal cortex do?

There are a variety of functions for which the prefrontal cortex is responsible. Although significant development of the prefrontal region occurs during adolescence, experts argue that it continues until (at least) our mid 20s.

• Attention: The ability to focus on one thing, while ignoring distractions is a function of our prefrontal cortex. Those with attentional deficits (e.g. ADHD) may have abnormalities within the prefrontal region. Similarly, those who abuse drugs and/or alcohol may end up with attention problems as the brain forms.
  
• Complex planning: The prefrontal region is responsible for complex planning. Anytime you set a goal that requires some degree of planning, your prefrontal region is at work. Planning out tasks in your day, developing a business plan, etc. – this region is responsible. An underdeveloped prefrontal region means that your planning capabilities haven’t been solidified.
  
• Decision making: We often struggle to make good decisions when we are teenagers, but as we enter our 20s, our decision making improves. This is due to the fact that our prefrontal cortex helps us think logically and make more calculated assessments of situations. Our brain weighs the risks and tells us whether a certain behavior or choice is a good idea vs. a bad one.
  
• Impulse control: Struggling with impulsivity is often related to deficits in the prefrontal cortex. The ability to maintain self-discipline and avoid impulsive behaviors hasn’t reached its peak until the 20s. This means that if you struggle with impulsivity when you’re 18, it may get better as you continue to age.
  
• Logical thinking: Justifying behaviors based off of emotions rather than logic is common among teens. When the prefrontal cortex fully develops, logical thinking simultaneously improves. This means you will be better at rationalizing and making smarter choices. It also means that your ability to write and solve math problems will improve.
  
• Organized thinking: Organizing your thinking can be difficult when you’re a teen. A barrage of thoughts are typically influenced by hormones and you may have concentration difficulties. As you continue to age and your thoughts become more organized. The organization of your thoughts is a result of your prefrontal cortex.
  
• Personality development: Your personality is directly expressed based off of your prefrontal cortex. Without proper stimulation, you may struggle with identity issues and developing a favorable personality. Since personality development continues throughout the 20s, you may want to consider how environmental inputs may affect who you are.
  
• Risk management: The ability to assess risky situations and determine whether they will result in long-term benefit is a byproduct of your prefrontal cortex. Those who are poor at assessing risk may have underdeveloped prefrontal regions. The ability to turn down immediate gratification for long-term rewards is a result of this region.
  
• Short-term memory: Your short-term memory function is influenced by the prefrontal cortex. When still in development, your short-term memory isn’t as good as it will be by the time you’re 25. As the brain continues to mature, your cognitive function and memorization capacity will improve.
  

Just part of http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/

Clipped from the OP'd link >
Sara Khan, co-founder of the counter-extremism organisation Inspire, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that she saw Kadiza as a victim, "because she's not an adult".
Young girls who are exposed to radicalisation "lack critical thinking skills", which "is what makes them vulnerable to Islamist extremist propaganda in particular", she said.
She added that girls being exposed to extremist material were "not receiving counter messages".
Rushanara Ali, the Labour MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, also told Today that the government's Prevent strategy to stop radicalisation was not working, with some of it being "quite misguided".
"What the government needs to do is do a proper assessment of what's working and what's not and they need to listen to the Muslim community...

sassy wrote:A vote is just a say, it's not a life or death situation and they are going to have to live with what is done.   For the same reason, I wouldn't take a vote away from an old person whose mental capacities are failing.

bull shit.......political "convenience" because of course it favours the left......   IF they are mature enough to vote then they are mature enough to take the consequences of their actions....OR if they are not mature enough to take the consequences then they are not mature enough to vote.....
oh and again..IF they are not mature enough then thoes that have them under 18 should all lose their driving licences (for whatever grade of vehicle allowed...) since they are not mature enough to make the necessary decisions whilst driving

what YOU want is some immaginary have your cake and eat it

PS the situations of grooming are exactly the same, done in exactly the same way to manipulate and overcome.

sassy wrote:If you say so Vic, it has to be true doesn't it. 

Lord Foul wrote:

sassy wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:

sassy wrote:Yea ok, in your head they are not the same.   Think I know the reason why you think that.   And girls who get groomed by peado's don't go to hump,  there are all kinds of psychological reasons they go and you know that, don't pretend.

your problem is you "think" too much, trouble is you dont put any thought into it

No, my problem is I think a lot and deeply and am not swayed by fear and loathing.

which comment proves my point entirely...remember a good while back, could even have been on ADO.....there was a case where a 16 y old scroat fried himself trying to theive cable from a sub station???   I had exactly the same POV towards HIM.......so dont , my dear, try your "bigot by insistance" game on me.......

At What Age Is The Brain Fully Developed?



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Lord Foul wrote:no you didnt answer.....

at all.....

either they ARE mature enough to make decisions or they are not

and upon that hangs a whole load of different things......

eddie wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:no you didnt answer.....

at all.....

either they ARE mature enough to make decisions or they are not

and upon that hangs a whole load of different things......

Vic my son is 15 and is very clever, quite streetwise (not naive) and has pretty good common sense.
Would I think him able to make  a huge life-changing  decision?

Hell no!