WAR ON ISIS: 34 Muslim NATIONS JOIN FORCES WITH MILITARY ALLIANCE TO FIGHT DAESH TERRORISM

by Guest Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:11 am

First topic message reminder :

Muslim nations around the world have decided to join forces and set up a military coalition to combat terrorism. There has been increasing pressure on Muslim nations, especially the rich Gulf states, to do more to fight against the Islamic State (Isis) militant group.

The alliance, led by Saudi Arabia, will see 34 Muslim nations join forces to "protect the Islamic nation from the evils of all terrorist groups and organisations." Majority Shi'ite Muslim Iran was conspicuous by its absence from the list of nations.

A statement published by Saudi Arabia's state news agency SPA said more than 10 countries, including Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, have "expressed their support" for the alliance and will take the necessary measures. A joint operations centre will be set up in Riyadh to coordinate and support military operations to fight terrorism and "to develop the necessary programmes and mechanisms to support these efforts."

The statement said that "appropriate arrangements" will be developed for coordination with "friendly peace-loving nations" and international bodies to support international efforts to combat terrorism.

The joint statement was accompanied by a rare press conference by Saudi Arabia's deputy crown prince, second deputy prime minister and minister of defense, 30-year-old Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud. However, he failed to give any insight on how the military cooperation aims to undertake its fight against terrorism.

Salman told reporters on 15 December that the campaign would "coordinate" efforts to fight terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan but did not say how this will be carried out. "There will be international coordination with major powers and international organisations ... in terms of operations in Syria and Iraq. We can't undertake these operations without coordinating with legitimacy in this place and the international community," he added.

When asked if the new alliance will focus on just fighting IS (Daesh), Salman said the coalition would confront "any terrorist organisation that appears in front of us," including Isis.

Saudi Arabia and its Gulf Arab neighbours have been involved in a nine month warfare with Iran-allied rebels in neighbouring Yemen. A ceasefire however is set to take effect in Yemen on 15 December, alongside United Nations-backed peace talks. The joint statement on the military alliance to fight IS may be an indication of Saudi Arabia's decision to turn its attention back to pressing conflicts at the north of its borders.

IS has vowed to overthrow the monarchies of the Gulf and have launched a series of attacks on Shi'ite Muslim mosques and security forces in both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. The joint statement said the terrorism and its atrocities constitute a serious violation of human dignity and rights, especially the right to life and the right to security. It said: "Terrorism cannot be justified in any way, and hence it should be fought by all means and collaboration should be made to eliminate it."

It vowed the protect nations from "the evils of all armed groups and terrorist organisations- whatever their doctrine or title - which spread killing and corruption in the world and are designed to terrorise the innocent."
The 34 nations include:

Jordan;
United Arab Emirates;
Pakistan;
Bahrain;
Bangladesh;
Benin;
Turkey;
Chad;
Togo;
Tunisia;
Djibouti;
Senegal;
Sudan;
Sierra Leone;
Somalia;
Gabon;
Guinea;
Palestine;
Comoros;
Qatar;
Cote d'Ivoire;
Kuwait;
Lebanon;
Libya;
Maldives;
Mali;
Malaysia;
Egypt;
Morocco;
Mauritania;
Niger;
Nigeria; and
Yemen.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/34-Muslim-nations-finally-get-together-set-military-alliance-fight-terrorism-1533357

Given what the Saudis are doing in Yemem, not sure if this is a good or bad thing at the moment, whether it is what they say it is, or a grab for power. Will have to see how this one pans out. Certainly puts a spoke in the wheel of those who contend that Daesh is Islamic and all Muslims support terror.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:58 pm

Well it would, it takes thought and understanding.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:58 pm

Now everyone can see from the start I answered sassy's question, why does she avoid mine like the plague?

Again what is wrong with a Jew if he backs a jewish home in israel?

What tis there to hate in that?

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:58 pm

Oh I see - Sassy was insulting Didge.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:00 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh I see - Sassy was insulting Didge.

Its cool, she has no idea of the many schools of judaism, and nobody is in any place to say who is a true Jew
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That is racist based off works unverified or even shown to be the views and beliefs of a deity not proven either to exist

Ask her Rags, why it would be acceptable to hate a jew who wants to have a Jewish home in Israel?

See how much she will avoid

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:00 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:Now everyone can see from the start I answered sassy's question, why does she avoid mine like the plague?

Again what is wrong with a Jew if he backs a jewish home in israel?

What tis there to hate in that?

Now, where did anyone say it was wrong for a Jew to back a Jewish home in Israel. The discussion started because Rags asked about Orthodox Jews believing that the State of Israel should not exist until the coming of the Messiah.

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:01 pm

So what happens when they think the messiah has arrived?

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:02 pm

sassy wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:Now everyone can see from the start I answered sassy's question, why does she avoid mine like the plague?

Again what is wrong with a Jew if he backs a jewish home in israel?

What tis there to hate in that?

Now, where did anyone say it was wrong for a Jew to back a Jewish home in Israel. The discussion started because Rags asked about Orthodox Jews believing that the State of Israel should not exist until the coming of the Messiah.

So why do you hate zionism, when the vast majority of zionists believe only to have a Jewish home in Israel and to defend this?

What cause then do you have to hate most zionist and zionism, when this is the main view of zionists?

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:04 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:So what happens when they think the messiah has arrived?

Then they leave what happens to The Messiah.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:05 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
sassy wrote:

Now, where did anyone say it was wrong for a Jew to back a Jewish home in Israel. The discussion started because Rags asked about Orthodox Jews believing that the State of Israel should not exist until the coming of the Messiah.

So why do you hate zionism, when the vast majority of zionists believe only to have a Jewish home in Israel and to defend this?

What cause then do you have to hate most zionist and zionism, when this is the main view of zionists?

Still waiting

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:05 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So what happens when they think the messiah has arrived?

Then they leave what happens to The Messiah.

So they don't think they should all end up in Israel?

I'm not using a capital "m" because I don't agree with them about their messiah.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:07 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
sassy wrote:

Now, where did anyone say it was wrong for a Jew to back a Jewish home in Israel. The discussion started because Rags asked about Orthodox Jews believing that the State of Israel should not exist until the coming of the Messiah.

So why do you hate zionism, when the vast majority of zionists believe only to have a Jewish home in Israel and to defend this?

What cause then do you have to hate most zionists and zionism, when this is the main view of zionists?

Still waiting

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:07 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:

Then they leave what happens to The Messiah.

So they don't think they should all end up in Israel?

I'm not using a capital "m" because I don't agree with them about their messiah.

It was on the information I gave you, I'm not posting it again.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:08 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
sassy wrote:

Now, where did anyone say it was wrong for a Jew to back a Jewish home in Israel. The discussion started because Rags asked about Orthodox Jews believing that the State of Israel should not exist until the coming of the Messiah.

So why do you hate zionism, when the vast majority of zionists believe only to have a Jewish home in Israel and to defend this?

What cause then do you have to hate most zionist and zionism, when this is the main view of zionists?

lol still waiting

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:09 pm

Suggest you look up what zionist actually believe.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:11 pm

sassy wrote:Suggest you look up what zionist actually believe.

So now you claim to know what all zionists believe.

based on what polls?

Again if the majority view is that of a jewish home in israel and to defend that

Why would you hate these Zionists and this Zionism?

As you often make such views on them of hate?

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:11 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So they don't think they should all end up in Israel?

I'm not using a capital "m" because I don't agree with them about their messiah.

It was on the information I gave you, I'm not posting it again.

I don't really like copy pastes. Never mind - forget it.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:13 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:

Pure Racism

Jewish is a culture, ethnicity and or a religion.
Hitler was anti all of them
The left and Muslims deny Jewish ethnicity.

Now imagine their reasoning to immigrants who are Muslims, as it would be the same as far rights

They have no right to be here on in this lands.
To the far right these lands are British and Christians?

See the same hate reasoningt the Left and some Muslims use, except here they deny a Jewish identity which is based on them only viewing a Jew as only religious

That is fundemnetllay racist

5, 4, 3, 2, 1, BINGO

Glad to see Victor grasps this

Laughing

So now sassy you claim to know what all zionists believe.

based on what polls?

Again if the majority view is that of a jewish home in israel and to defend that

Why would you hate these Zionists and this Zionism?

As you often make such views on them of hate?

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:16 pm

Here you go rags, here is the view of an Orthodox Jew for you on the many forms of Zionism

Arthur Weiss, I'm an Orthodox Jew living in the UK.
911 Views
Before answering this question you have to answer two things:
1) What is Zionism
2) What does it mean to be a Jew

Zionism can have multiple definitions - from a belief that Israel is the Jewish National homeland, to the right of Jews to self-determine their own fate in their own country, to a wish for a theocracy under the leadership of the Messiah in the land of Israel. Most definitions work on the assumption that Jews are a separate nation - and that Judaism is more than a religion unlike Christianity. Thus, although a Jew may be born in England or America, they have both aspects i.e. they are an English Jew or an American Jew rather than an Englishman or American who practices Judaism as their religion.

Not all Jews are religious or practicing in their Judaism. Some were born Jewish but apart from that, don't identify with anything Jewish at all. They may be anti-Zionist as a way of stressing that they want nothing to do with being Jewish - and as support for Israel is one of the last aspects of being Jewish that remains after all the ritualistic, religious aspects are discarded, this is one way to show how 'non-Jewish' they are. That is a reason why some left-wing secular Jews claim not to be Zionist. It's a way of emphasising their rejection of Judaism and their Jewish backgrounds.

Some Jews are extremely religious and view Zionism as a secular political movement and so define themselves as anti-Zionist. They reject the secular nature of Israel. At the same time, such Jews will pray every day - several times - for a return to the land of Israel, for the Jewish sovereignty in the land, and for the rebuilding of the Temple on the site of the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. Groups such as Neturei Karta that are virulently anti-Zionist fall in this category. Such religious anti-Zionist Jews want Israel to be theocracy and believe that Israel should only exist as a sovereign nation when the Messiah comes. Some go a step further and say that the existence of Israel is preventing this - and so want Israel to be destroyed so that it can be recreated in the form they want under the leadership of the Messiah.

The point of this is that the VAST majority of Jews globally are Zionist in that they want a Jewish State in the land of Israel. Where they differ is in the nature of that State - secular or religious.

The majority of non-religious Jews also want a Jewish state in Israel or are against the idea of there not being one. They may see Zionism as active support for the government of Israel and so may reject Zionism, as defined by this. However they still support Israel's existence as a Jewish state - even if they say they are non-Zionist because they don't support Israel's current government. (They will view a Zionist as somebody who is totally uncritical on Israel and its policies - and hence define themselves as non-Zionist, even though they support Israel and the Jewish rule there).

A small minority of non-religious Jews are genuinely anti-Zionist - as discussed - as a way of demonstrating their rejection of Judaism (or all religions).

Thus if you define Zionism as support for Israel and/or the wish for there to be Jewish sovereignty of Israel, then over 99% of Jews are Zionists.

If you define Zionism as support of the current government of Israel and all its decisions, then a much smaller percentage (but still, at a guess over 50%) are Zionist.

If you define Zionism as support for the "greater Israel" movement and in favour of settlements throughout Israel and including the territories occupied in 1967, plus limits on the rights of non-Jews (including Arabs), etc. then a VERY VERY small percentage of Jews both in Israel and outside Israel will support this. The problem is that too many people who do not understand the Jewish connection to Zionism see this as a definition of Zionism and then mention all the Jews they know who don't support this - and then claim most Jews aren't Zionist, and that you can be a practicing Jew without being Zionist.

https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Jews-living-in-Israel-do-not-believe-in-Zionism-What-about-those-living-in-the-United-States

Best to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:20 pm

Thank you Didge.

Some Jews are extremely religious and view Zionism as a secular political movement and so define themselves as anti-Zionist. They reject the secular nature of Israel. At the same time, such Jews will pray every day - several times - for a return to the land of Israel, for the Jewish sovereignty in the land, and for the rebuilding of the Temple on the site of the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. Groups such as Neturei Karta that are virulently anti-Zionist fall in this category. Such religious anti-Zionist Jews want Israel to be theocracy and believe that Israel should only exist as a sovereign nation when the Messiah comes.

So these orthodox Jews still think they should have a homeland in Israel, but they don't want it yet. I think that's what I said before. Laughing

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:23 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Thank you Didge.

Some Jews are extremely religious and view Zionism as a secular political movement and so define themselves as anti-Zionist. They reject the secular nature of Israel. At the same time, such Jews will pray every day - several times - for a return to the land of Israel, for the Jewish sovereignty in the land, and for the rebuilding of the Temple on the site of the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. Groups such as Neturei Karta that are virulently anti-Zionist fall in this category. Such religious anti-Zionist Jews want Israel to be theocracy and believe that Israel should only exist as a sovereign nation when the Messiah comes.

So these orthodox Jews still think they should have a homeland in Israel, but they don't want it yet. I think that's what I said before.

No problem Rags

Just wanted to point out you were 100 percent correct in what you said.

Laughing

So like I say, it really begs the question why some people would hate zionists, when as seen most support a Jewish home in Israel.
Not actually something extremist, based on the view of the majorityof Jews is it?

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:34 pm

I would also add how if anyone sees the same connection to Nazism by the arguments here.

sassy wrote:The State of Israel is Zionist, it is NOT Jewish, the two are not the same.

Deem those as zionists as not true Jews or as seen not Jews at all, deligitimizing their identity as Jews.
Making it acceptable to hate Jews but to see them not as Jews, but only Zionists. They thus only see a very small percentage of Orthordox Jews as Jews themselves, such as groups like Neturei Kartaand and deny a Jewish identity to the vast majority of Jews who are in the main Zionists, whether secular or religious.

This is how they try to justify a hate of Jews, by denying a Jewish identity.

It is the worst form of racism.

And it is 100 percent antisemitism.

Like I say today some of the left the regressives and a sizeable amount of Muslims are the biggest promoters of antisemitism.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:40 pm

Sometimes people just want to revel in their ignorance, either that or they don't even realise how ignorant they are. Both could apply in these cases.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:43 pm

sassy wrote:Sometimes people just want to revel in their ignorance, either that or they don't even realise how ignorant they are. Both could apply in these cases.

You just got exposed for being utterly racist denying a Jewish identity to the people of Israel and calling Israel not Jewish, thus denying the Jewish identity of Israeli's, viewing it only as zionist.

Like I say in two days I have exposed the worst racism and hate from two posters who pull the wool over peoples eyes.

Now i Just copied this off a certain poster FB pages who thinks that Hitler should have finished the Job

WAR ON ISIS: 34 Muslim NATIONS JOIN FORCES WITH MILITARY ALLIANCE TO FIGHT DAESH TERRORISM - Page 7 11907174_942051072504812_1461450799917618491_n

WAR ON ISIS: 34 Muslim NATIONS JOIN FORCES WITH MILITARY ALLIANCE TO FIGHT DAESH TERRORISM - Page 7 11907174_942051072504812_1461450799917618491_n

What more evidence do people need?

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:44 pm

Funny that, because you said you were not on FB lol

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:46 pm

sassy wrote:Funny that, because you said you were not on FB lol

I am not on facebook, but I know many people who are.

Nice that you do anything to deflect away from the antisemitism

You and sexy have both been exposed for the worst racism
You denied and Zack has, the Jewish identity of Israeli's
That is antisemitism

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:52 pm

Is that wise Didge?

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:54 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Is that wise Didge?

Why what is wrong Rags.

My point is on how some are being utterly racist and I cannot stand racism.
To deny the existance of Israel is antisemitism and after her comments yesterday I am seriously thinking of contacting the Police. Such hate and racism is unacceptable.

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:56 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Is that wise Didge?

Why what is wrong Rags.

My point is on how some are being utterly racist and I cannot stand racism.
To deny the existance of Israel is antisemitism and after her comments yesterday I am seriously thinking of contacting the Police. Such hate and racism is unacceptable.

It's not the actual legs of the actual person then?

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:57 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:

Why what is wrong Rags.

My point is on how some are being utterly racist and I cannot stand racism.
To deny the existance of Israel is antisemitism and after her comments yesterday I am seriously thinking of contacting the Police. Such hate and racism is unacceptable.

It's not the actual legs of the actual person then?

No its a poster Rags, denying the existance of Israel

I am appalled and disgusted and feared for sometime this hate was rife.

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:58 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not the actual legs of the actual person then?

No its a poster Rags, denying the existance of Israel

I am appalled and disgusted and feared for sometime this hate was rife.

OK. One never knows what people put on their legs these days. Laughing

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:00 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:

No its a poster Rags, denying the existance of Israel

I am appalled and disgusted and feared for sometime this hate was rife.

OK. One never knows what people put on their legs these days.

lol that is okay rags, I would not try to reveal the identity of people unlike some.

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:16 pm

The poster is of course factually incorrect.

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:23 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:The poster is of course factually incorrect.

Indeed and thus to deny ithe existance of Israe when it does exist, means?
To deny the existance of Israeli people.
Why would they do that?
To deligitimize them as people

You will not see me say or post much more on Israel now, my job is done. I wanted to prove the many arguments did not stem from any validity, but from racism and antisemitism, and I just proved that. This in itself has shown tonight the true nature and reasons why some on here hate Israel and its fundementally antisemitism.

At least this will make a few posters happy that I will not post so many threads on the topic

Laughing

Job done

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:29 pm

How much per lie were you paid. lol

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:30 pm

The best part was exposing sassy as fundemetnally racist and do you see she never condemned sexy for her comments or the poster denying the existance of Israel itself?

That is what you call checkmate

Laughing

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:39 pm

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:45 pm

sassy wrote:

The flag and symbol of the regressive quislings in Corbyn and Sassy

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:53 pm

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You are sure earning your money tonight. Israel will be broke at this rate.

by Raggamuffin Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:53 pm

You find Nazis amusing Sassy?

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:55 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:You find Nazis amusing Sassy?

Indeed rags

Like I say the same methodology from hating the Jews before in the Nazi's, you find today by regressives lefties, the far right and countless Muslims, that deny the existance of them as people
They deligitimize them, which is exactly what the Nazis did

What more proof do people need?

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:56 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:You find Nazis amusing Sassy?

I find the idiotic ramblings of Didge bloody hilarious, he's a buffoon, a laughing stock and he doesn't even realise it. I'm waiting for the next flounce lol

by Guest Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:00 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:You find Nazis amusing Sassy?

I find the idiotic ramblings of Didge bloody hilarious, he's a buffoon, a laughing stock and he doesn't even realise it. I'm waiting for the next flounce lol

And we are back to very immature insults, because she knows I have exposed her and sexy as fundementally racist.
Did she condemn Sexy for her comments?
No
Did she condemn the poster that denies the existance of Israel?
No
Did sassy deny the Jewish identity of Israel and israelis?
Yes

Now sassy will try anythint to deflect away from me proving her antisemitism and all can see, though now doubt some other lefties will make excuses for it.
But this has been seen by far more people than just by the posters on here

Laughing

by Guest Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:07 am

by Guest Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:09 am

sassy wrote:

by Raggamuffin Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:11 am

So then, about this alliance ... Laughing

by Guest Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:11 am

The next candidate for Fuhrer

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by Guest Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:11 am

Raggamuffin wrote:So then, about this alliance ...

by Fuzzy Zack Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:13 am

I suppose the British Jews for Justice for Palestinians are anti-Semitic too?

BELIEVE THAT

Lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians requires justice, mutual recognition and respect.
Peace requires ending Israel’s illegal occupation and settlement of Palestinian land, including its illegal blockade of Gaza.
Peace requires Israel to acknowledge its responsibility in the creation of the Palestinian refugees, and its obligation to negotiate a just, fair and practical resolution of the issue.
Violence against civilians, no matter who commits it, is unacceptable.
Israel’s repressive policies in the West Bank and Gaza are breeding hatred and resentment.
Israel’s discrimination against its Palestinian citizens is unacceptable.
It is crucial that Jews speak out for Palestinians’ human rights.
The humanitarian values of Judaism have been corrupted by the Israeli state’s abuses of human rights.
Britain, the EU, the USA, Russia and the UN must be persuaded to implement UN resolutions on Palestine.

http://jfjfp.com/?page_id=2

They also believe that the current Zionist policies are a desecration of Judaism.

“That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour. That is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary.”

RABBI HILLEL

by Guest Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:43 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:I suppose the British Jews for Justice for Palestinians are anti-Semitic too?

BELIEVE THAT

Lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians requires justice, mutual recognition and respect.
Peace requires ending Israel’s illegal occupation and settlement of Palestinian land, including its illegal blockade of Gaza.
Peace requires Israel to acknowledge its responsibility in the creation of the Palestinian refugees, and its obligation to negotiate a just, fair and practical resolution of the issue.
Violence against civilians, no matter who commits it, is unacceptable.
Israel’s repressive policies in the West Bank and Gaza are breeding hatred and resentment.
Israel’s discrimination against its Palestinian citizens is unacceptable.
It is crucial that Jews speak out for Palestinians’ human rights.
The humanitarian values of Judaism have been corrupted by the Israeli state’s abuses of human rights.
Britain, the EU, the USA, Russia and the UN must be persuaded to implement UN resolutions on Palestine.

http://jfjfp.com/?page_id=2

They also believe that the current Zionist policies are a desecration of Judaism.

“That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour. That is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary.”

RABBI HILLEL

They are not denying a Jewish identity to Israelis or zionists, if they do it is racist. They are being critical of the Israel goverment, but the fact the above ignores the Palestinians were the aggressors and still are through Hamas and the PA never accepting Israel. We have countless evidence that you and Sexy both deny the existance of Israel, it shows how skewed this group is when it looks at the conflict.

You, sexy and sassy are racist scum, on a par with smelly.

You speak of human rights abuse, get your own house in order before you even talk about humann rights abuses.
Seriously the worst human rights abuses are found in the Muslim world and in many Muslim countries, so what does that make in regards to Hamas and Fatah then when they glorify murdering innocent civillians. They glorify the murderers and attempted murderers who end up dying.The fucking cheek you got and we have idiots like you and others allowed to spew your racist shit. Do you denounce and deny them from being Muslim as you reason stupidly to deny Zionists being ethnic Jews? No, you are a two faced low life scum and do you denounce Hamas and Fatah for abusing Islam, with their terrorism and murdereous atcs and glorifying? How they justify murder of civillians, which is a major sin in Islam, where the fuck is you and other Muslimjs denouncing them as abusing Islam? Or do you justify the murder of Israelis, through as Hitler deligitimizing them as humans, denying them their Jewish identity, thinking its okay to hate people if you then place a label of zionist?

I mean I asked Sexy to denounce the latest terrorist and she refused to do so. She said its wrong to muder innocents but does not Israeli civillians as innocent which includes, women and children. That is vile beyond belief. If ever anyone wanted to see the true barbarity of what that vile faith you follow teaches, which allows Muslims to view wrongfully and deny a people their status as innocent, then there is all the evidence they need of how Islam teaches antisemitism. That she dehumanizes Jews as humans, so as to allow and justify their murders, is exactly what Hitler did to justify the Holocaust. What begs the question is if she is teaching this hate to her children, because I find out that she is, I will have no hesitation in calling child protective services, as to teach and dehumanize with racism and hate of people is child abuse.

I had really been concerned for a very long time that this hate was very much racist in nature and you all exposed yourself the last few days.I am seriously going to show my findings on this to tackle racist hate in the Muslim community where they deny and hate Jews, if zionists, which is the vast majority of Jews. Whos crime to you is to want a Jewisjh state in Israel. How the fuck you can claim that is a crime, shows the worst racism, when even the most religious Jews who claim to be against zionism, dream of a return to Israel and to knock down the Mosque and build a New Temple, of which did that escape you? The Jews you disgustingly claim are the true Jews? Denying Jewish identity to millions of Jews? You have the cheek to come on here all victim status as a Muslim, well let me tell you, the 3 of you insult real Muslim victims of hate crimes, with your hate.

In fact again you excuse the fact you have been exposed trying to deny the identity of Jews if they are zionists, when being Jewish is a an ethnicity.culture and or a religion. You and the others got exposed badly and if a Jew tries to deny the identity of another Jew, yes it is racist. We have that here where people try to deny people who are British or English being identified as British or English. Look at the end of the day the whole sham has been exposed, what is evident is you deligitimize Israeli Jews, claiming they cannot be Jeiwsh based off the worst absurd view, when they are Jews, viewing them only as Zionists instead denying them a Jewish identity. That is as racist as it gets. You and other people whether Jewish or not do not get to decide how people identify themselves, as that is what is one of the biggest problems of racism.

Not only that both you and that other racist deny the right of israel to exist, both of you have argued for a one state solution, which is denying self determination for Jews. Like I say racism is rife of those Muslims who deny the existance of Israel, where you wrongly think the lands should be Muslims. I am going to make it my effort now to prublish all of this to show the extent of hate and antisemitism through the smokescreen of hating Zionists. I will use the evidence easily show how idiots think they can decide who are Jews and deny people being Jews and claim stupidly they can only be zionists, so you can justify hating people and as seen think its acceptable to kill people if viewed as guilty, when they are in fact murdered through terrorism or war crimes by Palestinians terrorists, Hamas, Fatah, deligitimizing them as human. Hitler did the same shit before and yoiu are no better you and that other racist scum.

You, sexy and Sassy have been exposed for being the worst racists, here, none of you Jewish in any form, trying to say who is Jewish, that is disgusting, When it is a classified social construct as a race, an ethnicitym, a culture and or a religon. Now read slowly again and do not even bother coming out with your racist bullshit ever again on here about Israel, we all know now why the 3 of you hate Israel and it has everything to do with antisemitism. None of you are related to Jordanian/Palestinian Arabs, the only connection is racism and for two of you being Muslims.

How fucking dare you try to deny the ethnicity of millions of Jews

And people used to think smelly was the most vilest racist, the 3 of you are on a par with his hateful shit

Now read again

Arthur Weiss, I'm an Orthodox Jew living in the UK.

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Before answering this question you have to answer two things:

1) What is Zionism

2) What does it mean to be a Jew

Zionism can have multiple definitions - from a belief that Israel is the Jewish National homeland, to the right of Jews to self-determine their own fate in their own country, to a wish for a theocracy under the leadership of the Messiah in the land of Israel. Most definitions work on the assumption that Jews are a separate nation - and that Judaism is more than a religion unlike Christianity. Thus, although a Jew may be born in England or America, they have both aspects i.e. they are an English Jew or an American Jew rather than an Englishman or American who practices Judaism as their religion.

Not all Jews are religious or practicing in their Judaism. Some were born Jewish but apart from that, don't identify with anything Jewish at all. They may be anti-Zionist as a way of stressing that they want nothing to do with being Jewish - and as support for Israel is one of the last aspects of being Jewish that remains after all the ritualistic, religious aspects are discarded, this is one way to show how 'non-Jewish' they are. That is a reason why some left-wing secular Jews claim not to be Zionist. It's a way of emphasising their rejection of Judaism and their Jewish backgrounds.

Some Jews are extremely religious and view Zionism as a secular political movement and so define themselves as anti-Zionist. They reject the secular nature of Israel. At the same time, such Jews will pray every day - several times - for a return to the land of Israel, for the Jewish sovereignty in the land, and for the rebuilding of the Temple on the site of the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. Groups such as Neturei Karta that are virulently anti-Zionist fall in this category. Such religious anti-Zionist Jews want Israel to be theocracy and believe that Israel should only exist as a sovereign nation when the Messiah comes. Some go a step further and say that the existence of Israel is preventing this - and so want Israel to be destroyed so that it can be recreated in the form they want under the leadership of the Messiah.

The point of this is that the VAST majority of Jews globally are Zionist in that they want a Jewish State in the land of Israel. Where they differ is in the nature of that State - secular or religious.

The majority of non-religious Jews also want a Jewish state in Israel or are against the idea of there not being one. They may see Zionism as active support for the government of Israel and so may reject Zionism, as defined by this. However they still support Israel's existence as a Jewish state - even if they say they are non-Zionist because they don't support Israel's current government. (They will view a Zionist as somebody who is totally uncritical on Israel and its policies - and hence define themselves as non-Zionist, even though they support Israel and the Jewish rule there).

A small minority of non-religious Jews are genuinely anti-Zionist - as discussed - as a way of demonstrating their rejection of Judaism (or all religions).

Thus if you define Zionism as support for Israel and/or the wish for there to be Jewish sovereignty of Israel, then over 99% of Jews are Zionists.

If you define Zionism as support of the current government of Israel and all its decisions, then a much smaller percentage (but still, at a guess over 50%) are Zionist.

If you define Zionism as support for the "greater Israel" movement and in favour of settlements throughout Israel and including the territories occupied in 1967, plus limits on the rights of non-Jews (including Arabs), etc. then a VERY VERY small percentage of Jews both in Israel and outside Israel will support this. The problem is that too many people who do not understand the Jewish connection to Zionism see this as a definition of Zionism and then mention all the Jews they know who don't support this - and then claim most Jews aren't Zionist, and that you can be a practicing Jew without being Zionist.

https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Jews-living-in-Israel-do-not-believe-in-Zionism-What-about-those-living-in-the-United-States

by Guest Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:00 am

Quelle surprise and what was Rags and I both questioining the other day about this coalition?

Britain’s decision to bomb Isis in Syria has helped to allow Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Gulf States to play less of a role in the fight against Isis, it has been claimed. Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond confirmed to MPs on Wednesday that there had been a “decrease in air sorties by Arab allies” in Syria due to the “challenges” of the Yemen conflict and research by the House of Commons Library found that 94 per cent of air strikes against Isis in Syria had been carried out by the United States. SNP MP Stephen Gethins, an influential voice on the Foreign Affairs Committee, said it was of “huge concern” that Arab states had all-but abandoned the bombing campaign in Syria and had instead focussed its air campaign on the Shiite rebels in Yemen, where thousands of civilians have been killed by indiscriminate bombing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-air-strikes-in-syria-have-helped-allow-sunni-states-to-ditch-fight-against-isis-and-focus-a6775981.html

Points of note here, what warning methods do the saudi's provide to civillians of an impending attack? If they do little to nothing why do they get ignored by the regressive left and many Muslims?Why only feeble protests from the UN human rights council? Why are these same Muslim and regressive lefty hypocrites not calling for war crimes against Saudi and the Gulf States if they do not warn civillias? This is what I mean how a hate of Jews allows for the most ridiculous higer set of standards being placed onto Israel more than any other nation.

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