Gay couple [claim] abused by Tesco cashier / (skin colour from page nine)

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A gay couple were subjected to a torrent of abuse in a London branch of Tesco after they shared a brief kiss in the store. Steve Luetchford, 28, was shopping with his 25-year-old partner Mattia Pievani at a Tesco branch in Brixton on Friday evening when, they claim, a female cashier verbally abused them. The woman is alleged to have said that the couple should be "ashamed" after she witnessed their intimate moment. When they challenged the woman on her views she continued to insult them, it is claimed.
They then requested that two other staff members refer them to the store manager so that they could lodge a complaint.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/11791755/Gay-couple-abused-by-Tesco-cashier.html

As Holland & Barrett come under fire for selling a controversial skin lightening cream . . . The women who’ll do anything to have whiter skin
Former model Irene Major is the wife of Canadian oil tycoon Sam Mail
She has used skin lightening creams to drastically change her appearance
Angela Agor, 41, is a black television presenter from North London
She bought many different products to lighten a patch of dark skin
She doesn't understand the fuss over the Holland & Barrett cream


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2850927/As-Holland-Barrett-come-fire-selling-controversial-skin-lightening-cream-women-wholl-whiter-skin.html#ixzz3id1vTCd3

eddie wrote:As Holland & Barrett come under fire for selling a controversial skin lightening cream . . . The women who’ll do anything to have whiter skin
Former model Irene Major is the wife of Canadian oil tycoon Sam Mail
She  has used skin lightening creams to drastically change her appearance
Angela Agor, 41, is a black television presenter from North London
She  bought many different products to lighten a patch of dark skin
She doesn't understand the fuss over the Holland & Barrett cream  


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2850927/As-Holland-Barrett-come-fire-selling-controversial-skin-lightening-cream-women-wholl-whiter-skin.html#ixzz3id1vTCd3

Again so what Eddie?
Like I said many people go each year abroad with the deliberate intention to darkern their skins.
Its up to people how they look but to make this some racial issue is utterly ridiculous and also creates further problems. If those who are classed as white which to darken their skin why is it such an issue if some who are classed as black wish to lighten their skin?

I am not quite sure why you think I have a particular problem but I do think anyone who abuse their skin to change it is obviously a bit insecure or self-loathing.

I don't think it's any different, or less harmful, than girls going on sunbeds to darken their skin.
So I'm not sure why you think I'm saying one thing is any less harmful than the other?

eddie wrote:As Holland & Barrett come under fire for selling a controversial skin lightening cream . . . The women who’ll do anything to have whiter skin
Former model Irene Major is the wife of Canadian oil tycoon Sam Mail
She  has used skin lightening creams to drastically change her appearance
Angela Agor, 41, is a black television presenter from North London
She  bought many different products to lighten a patch of dark skin
She doesn't understand the fuss over the Holland & Barrett cream  


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2850927/As-Holland-Barrett-come-fire-selling-controversial-skin-lightening-cream-women-wholl-whiter-skin.html#ixzz3id1vTCd3

‘A skin-lightening regime has been part of my life practically since birth,’ she claims. ‘There are many different types of African skin — from dark charcoal to a lighter version — and you grow up knowing that the lighter ladies are the prettier ones. It’s just a fact.’

Then there are the white girls who want a tan all year round.

It's madness.

Being lighter shows you belong to a different place on the social ladder

I should be right up there with the Royal family then.

Seriously, if hydroquinone is banned by the EU, how is it easy to find in the UK? I don't think it's in the Dr Organic cream though.

eddie wrote:I am not quite sure why you think I have a particular problem but I do think anyone who abuse their skin to change it is obviously a bit insecure or self-loathing.

I don't think it's any different, or less harmful, than girls going on sunbeds to darken their skin.
So I'm not sure why you think I'm saying one thing is any less harmful than the other?

Then why did you bring it up about her being whiter?
That just makes no sense Eddie
Women abuse their skin and hair with makup, hairspray etc, how is this any different.
Sorry I find your views which certainly did start off being judgemental based on a racial grounds to how a person wants to have lighter skin as poor.
The point is, that is their choice, not yours.

Lets face it 90% of women are the prime example of "false advertising"

what you see is most likely NOT what you get....

and I should know ...I've woken up to enough mooses the "night after"

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:As Holland & Barrett come under fire for selling a controversial skin lightening cream . . . The women who’ll do anything to have whiter skin
Former model Irene Major is the wife of Canadian oil tycoon Sam Mail
She  has used skin lightening creams to drastically change her appearance
Angela Agor, 41, is a black television presenter from North London
She  bought many different products to lighten a patch of dark skin
She doesn't understand the fuss over the Holland & Barrett cream  


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2850927/As-Holland-Barrett-come-fire-selling-controversial-skin-lightening-cream-women-wholl-whiter-skin.html#ixzz3id1vTCd3

Again so what Eddie?
Like I said many people go each year abroad with the deliberate intention to darkern their skins.
Its up to people how they look but to make this some racial issue is utterly ridiculous and also creates further problems. If those who are classed as white which to darken their skin why is it such an issue if some who are classed as black wish to lighten their skin?

Well if you look at the comments in that article, you'll see that some black people make it a racial or social issue.

I was reading bits about the Beyonce skin issue, and some people do indeed say that she's betraying her race or something.

Some articles do the same. Look at this comment.

Nevertheless, her critics still argue that it is politically incorrect of her not to promote a darker image.

http://www.arogundade.com/beyonce-and-bleaching-has-she-ever-bleached-her-face-for-white-or-lighter-skin.html

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:I am not quite sure why you think I have a particular problem but I do think anyone who abuse their skin to change it is obviously a bit insecure or self-loathing.

I don't think it's any different, or less harmful, than girls going on sunbeds to darken their skin.
So I'm not sure why you think I'm saying one thing is any less harmful than the other?

Then why did you bring it up about her being whiter?
That just makes no sense Eddie
Women abuse their skin and hair with makup, hairspray etc, how is this any different.
Sorry I find your views which certainly did start off being judgemental based on a racial grounds to how a person wants to have lighter skin as poor.
The point is, that is their choice, not yours.

Make up isn't necessarily abusive, although hairspray can be dodgy of course.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Again so what Eddie?
Like I said many people go each year abroad with the deliberate intention to darkern their skins.
Its up to people how they look but to make this some racial issue is utterly ridiculous and also creates further problems. If those who are classed as white which to darken their skin why is it such an issue if some who are classed as black wish to lighten their skin?

Well if you look at the comments in that article, you'll see that some black people make it a racial or social issue.

I was reading bits about the Beyonce skin issue, and some people do indeed say that she's betraying her race or something.

Some articles do the same. Look at this comment.

Nevertheless, her critics still argue that it is politically incorrect of her not to promote a darker image.

http://www.arogundade.com/beyonce-and-bleaching-has-she-ever-bleached-her-face-for-white-or-lighter-skin.html

Hpow does that make it right Rags just because some black people are as poor in how they perceive other black people? As soon as the words black and white come into play in regards to how people look, there is probloems and judgements. Its all wrong, no matter who is coming out with.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well if you look at the comments in that article, you'll see that some black people make it a racial or social issue.

I was reading bits about the Beyonce skin issue, and some people do indeed say that she's betraying her race or something.

Some articles do the same. Look at this comment.



http://www.arogundade.com/beyonce-and-bleaching-has-she-ever-bleached-her-face-for-white-or-lighter-skin.html

Hpow does that make it right Rags just because some black people are as poor in how they perceive other black people? As soon as the words black and white come into play in regards to how people look, there is probloems and judgements. Its all wrong, no matter who is coming out with.

I'm not saying it's right, but it does show that some black people seem to care what colour they are more than white people do.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:



Hpow does that make it right Rags just because some black people are as poor in how they perceive other black people? As soon as the words black and white come into play in regards to how people look, there is probloems and judgements. Its all wrong, no matter who is coming out with.

I'm not saying it's right, but it does show that some black people seem to care what colour they are more than white people do.

Do they? Well considering so many people go mental sun worshipping each summer I would say you have things the wrong way round.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not saying it's right, but it does show that some black people seem to care what colour they are more than white people do.

Do they? Well considering so many people go mental sun worshipping each summer I would say you have things the wrong way round.

Yes, they do, as I've just showed you. I don't mean cosmetically-speaking, I mean skin colour as a status or a racial thing. A lot of these women want to be lighter because they think it will make them more successful, popular, and richer - like they perceive white people to be.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:As Holland & Barrett come under fire for selling a controversial skin lightening cream . . . The women who’ll do anything to have whiter skin
Former model Irene Major is the wife of Canadian oil tycoon Sam Mail
She  has used skin lightening creams to drastically change her appearance
Angela Agor, 41, is a black television presenter from North London
She  bought many different products to lighten a patch of dark skin
She doesn't understand the fuss over the Holland & Barrett cream  


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2850927/As-Holland-Barrett-come-fire-selling-controversial-skin-lightening-cream-women-wholl-whiter-skin.html#ixzz3id1vTCd3

Again so what Eddie?
Like I said many people go each year abroad with the deliberate intention to darkern their skins.
Its up to people how they look but to make this some racial issue is utterly ridiculous and also creates further problems. If those who are classed as white which to darken their skin why is it such an issue if some who are classed as black wish to lighten their skin?

Well if you look at the comments in that article, you'll see that some black people make it a racial or social issue.

I was reading bits about the Beyonce skin issue, and some people do indeed say that she's betraying her race or something.

Some articles do the same. Look at this comment.

Nevertheless, her critics still argue that it is politically incorrect of her not to promote a darker image.

http://www.arogundade.com/beyonce-and-bleaching-has-she-ever-bleached-her-face-for-white-or-lighter-skin.html

I know all of this rags and that's I kept suggesting Didge Google stuff about black girls (particularly) and skin lightness.

I lived with and among black people for the first half of my life and I know what their attitude is.

I've posted an article or two for him as well eddie, but he keeps insisting it's just a cosmetic thing.

Raggamuffin wrote:I've posted an article or two for him as well eddie, but he keeps insisting it's just a cosmetic thing.

Oh well. May as well leave it there then

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Do they? Well considering so many people go mental sun worshipping each summer I would say you have things the wrong way round.

Yes, they do, as I've just showed you. I don't mean cosmetically-speaking, I mean skin colour as a status or a racial thing. A lot of these women want to be lighter because they think it will make them more successful, popular, and richer - like they perceive white people to be.

Its the same thing, using the sun to artifically darken your skin for a set lengh of time, because it will not stay that way after a few months. It is no different and it is no different to people wishing to paint their face in makeup which countless people do daily.
Some of you are the worst and most judgemental people of others.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well if you look at the comments in that article, you'll see that some black people make it a racial or social issue.

I was reading bits about the Beyonce skin issue, and some people do indeed say that she's betraying her race or something.

Some articles do the same. Look at this comment.



http://www.arogundade.com/beyonce-and-bleaching-has-she-ever-bleached-her-face-for-white-or-lighter-skin.html

I know all of this rags and that's I kept suggesting Didge Google stuff about black girls (particularly) and skin lightness.

I lived with and among black people for the first half of my life and I know what their attitude is.

Again so what if you have Eddie, how in ayway does that detract from you you yourself judging a person
for wanting to lighten their skin?
Jesus, so you lived with other judgemental people, which would say to me you need to find better things to do with your time. People who wish toi look better with wanting to lighten or darken their skins does not mean ingeneral they wish to be a different what we define as a race and anyone suggesting they are. Then are being racial and pathetically so.

Didge I am not being judgemental - I think people shouldn't risk their health for beauty.
Simple as that.

I'm sure you'd agree that trying to look "better" (whatever that means personally to each person) isn't worth the risk to your health?

eddie wrote:Didge I am not being judgemental - I think people shouldn't risk their health for beauty.
Simple as that.

I'm sure you'd agree that trying to look "better" (whatever that means personally to each person) isn't worth the risk to your health?

Then why do you drink?
That is you risking your health?
Do I say you should not?
No,. so please spare the health nonsense Eddie, it won't buy.
You are being judgemental and racially so.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, they do, as I've just showed you. I don't mean cosmetically-speaking, I mean skin colour as a status or a racial thing. A lot of these women want to be lighter because they think it will make them more successful, popular, and richer - like they perceive white people to be.

Its the same thing, using the sun to artifically darken your skin for a set lengh of time, because it will not stay that way after a few months. It is no different and it is no different to people wishing to paint their face in makeup which countless people do daily.
Some of you are the worst and most judgemental people of others.

It's not the same thing. I've just showed you why it's not the same thing. I also told you it doesn't matter to me - it's not me being judgemental, it's some black women being judgemental about themselves.

Sure, some black woman just like having a lighter skin, like some white women like having a tan, but for others it's about more than that. Why don't you get that?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:



Its the same thing, using the sun to artifically darken your skin for a set lengh of time, because it will not stay that way after a few months. It is no different and it is no different to people wishing to paint their face in makeup which countless people do daily.
Some of you are the worst and most judgemental people of others.

It's not the same thing. I've just showed you why it's not the same thing. I also told you it doesn't matter to me - it's not me being judgemental, it's some black women being judgemental about themselves.

Sure, some black woman just like having a lighter skin, like some white women like having a tan, but for others it's about more than that. Why don't you get that?

OMG People wanting to lighten or darken their skin are wanting to do the same thing and in each cases it has risks, even more so when in the sun. People are at great risk from skin cancer yet its up to them when they take this risk. Its right to point out these risks, but spare me any nonsense to claim it is some how different. Its not different, as its all about how people are wanting to look. We are all humans where we have different looks and skin tones and facial features and to suggest off some wanting to be something that does not biologically exists, then the problem is one that society has created with the invention of the classifcation of races.
Its all down to looks at the end of the day and nothing more. I am sure there is some who are classed as black maybe wanting to be classed as white, as they suffer and are discrminated for being what is classed as black, but I doubt that thought never entered your mind. And if that is the case then it is society that has brought about a fear in some of them wishing to want to change to be something where they are not discriminated agains.

Again what a load of fuss over nothing

Goodnight everyone

did you not read the article I posted for you?

Years went by fast and somewhere in my teenage years I started noticing a trend: “My sister was having more success than me in everything she did"

I loved my sister but was eager to know why she found a summer job as easy as 123 while I searched for a whole month and found only closed doors.

And why she was with her 2nd boyfriend while I was never ever been asked for a date!

Long story short, one day I found an article that opened my eyes and could explain all my questions, it stated that:

“White People have all the advantages in the world; they get jobs easier, earn the highest salaries and attract more handsome partners.”

Those words were hard on me. Having grown with a Caucasian sister I knew deep inside that they were true.

The woman wanted whiter skin because she perceived that white people were more "successful", it wasn't just because she kind of likes the look of white skin.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not the same thing. I've just showed you why it's not the same thing. I also told you it doesn't matter to me - it's not me being judgemental, it's some black women being judgemental about themselves.

Sure, some black woman just like having a lighter skin, like some white women like having a tan, but for others it's about more than that. Why don't you get that?

OMG People wanting to lighten or darken their skin are wanting to do the same thing and in each cases it has risks, even more so when in the sun. People are at great risk from skin cancer yet its up to them when they take this risk. Its right to point out these risks, but spare me any nonsense to claim it is some how different. Its not different, as its all about how people are wanting to look. We are all humans where we have different looks and skin tones and facial features and to suggest off some wanting to be something that does not biologically exists, then the problem is one that society has created with the invention of the classifcation of races.
Its all down to looks at the end of the day and nothing more. I am sure there is some who are classed as black maybe wanting to be classed as white, as they suffer and are discrminated for being what is classed as black, but I doubt that thought never entered your mind. And if that is the case then it is society that has brought about a fear in some of them wishing to want to change to be something where they are not discriminated agains.

Again what a load of fuss over nothing

Goodnight everyone

For Rags to read again and allow to sink in.
Then understand how it has come about that some black women may feel or think this way

For fuck sake....


Night

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not the same thing. I've just showed you why it's not the same thing. I also told you it doesn't matter to me - it's not me being judgemental, it's some black women being judgemental about themselves.

Sure, some black woman just like having a lighter skin, like some white women like having a tan, but for others it's about more than that. Why don't you get that?

OMG People wanting to lighten or darken their skinare wanting to ddo the same thing and in each cases it has risks, even more so when in the sun. People are at great risk from skin cancer yet its up to them when they take this risk. Its right to point out these risks, but spare me any nonsense to claim it is some how different. Its not different, as its all about how people are wanting to look. We are all humans where we have different looks and skin tones and facial features and to suggest off some wanting to be something that does not biologically exists, then the problem is one that society has created with the invention of the classifcation of races.
Its all down to looks at the end of the day and nothing more. I am sure there is some who are classed as black maybe wanting to be classed as white, as they suffer and are discrminated for being what is classed as black, but I doubt that thought never entered your mind. And if that is the case then it is society that has brought about a fear in some of them wishing to want to change to be something where they are not discriminated agains.

Again what a load of fuss over nothing

Goodnight everyone

Never entered my head? It's what I've been saying to you. FFS, just read properly. I don't know if they actually are discriminated against for being black, but they think they are. That's why they want lighter skin!

There's a particular forum out there largely populated by black people, and they have a separate section to discuss light skin versus dark skin, and they don't mean white people versus black people, they mean black people with lighter skin versus black people with darker skin. It's a real issue for some people. Not me - as I keep on saying to you.

Cuchulain wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:



OMG People wanting to lighten or darken their skin are wanting to do the same thing and in each cases it has risks, even more so when in the sun. People are at great risk from skin cancer yet its up to them when they take this risk. Its right to point out these risks, but spare me any nonsense to claim it is some how different. Its not different, as its all about how people are wanting to look. We are all humans where we have different looks and skin tones and facial features and to suggest off some wanting to be something that does not biologically exists, then the problem is one that society has created with the invention of the classifcation of races.
Its all down to looks at the end of the day and nothing more. I am sure there is some who are classed as black maybe wanting to be classed as white, as they suffer and are discrminated for being what is classed as black, but I doubt that thought never entered your mind. And if that is the case then it is society that has brought about a fear in some of them wishing to want to change to be something where they are not discriminated agains.

Again what a load of fuss over nothing

Goodnight everyone

For Rags to read again and allow to sink in.
Then understand how it has come about that some black women may feel or think this way

For fuck sake....


Night

So now you concede that it's not just a cosmetic thing.

At last!

I do not agree with any of your points as they are poor.
You fail to see the first and foremost point is how people want look and how they look is dependent on different for each individual. Whether it be peer pressure to look skinny etc. So your point basing on a vert small aspect off a very small amount of women, who again no doubt have done so again based off how thyey perceive black people are treated dopes not makjke your case for in general people wanting to darken or lighten their skin.
First and foremost the point is on looks.

You clealy want another round of going around in circles

You had no point and you never did.

Now I am going for the nigh

Cuchulain wrote:I do not agree with any of your points as they are poor.
You fail to see the first and foremost point is how people want look and how they look is dependent on different for each individual. Whether it be peer pressure to look skinny etc. So your point basing on a vert small aspect off a very small amount of women, who again no doubt have done so again based off how thyey perceive black people are treated dopes not makjke your case for in general people wanting to darken or lighten their skin.
First and foremost the point is on looks.

You clealy want another round of going around in circles

You had no point and you never did.

Now I am going for the nigh

My points are great, and clearly you know nothing about the issue - just like you didn't right from the start. Do some research and then you might learn something.

Looks is the main issue here first and foremost

If you cannot see that, then you fail to see where a mulititude of all these problems stem from.

No need to say anymore if you cannot spot something so obvious

Cuchulain wrote:Looks is the main issue here first and foremost

If you cannot see that, then you fail to see where a mulititude of all these problems stem from.

No need to say anymore if you cannot spot something so obvious

No, you don't understand. It's not just about looks for some people, it's about perceived status, social standing, acceptance.

Mr Marcelle - known in this busy community as Africa's Michael Jackson - says his mother used to apply creams on him when he was young in order to make him appear "less black".

"I like white people. Black people are seen as dangerous; that's why I don't like being black. People treat me better now because I look like I'm white," he adds.

Entrenched in the minds of many Africans from a young age is the adage "if it's white, it's all right", a belief that has chipped away at the self-esteem of millions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20444798

Rags, as I keep repeating, these things aren't good for health and it's scary the lengths some black women feel they need to go to.

Like I've said multiple times, and you've said, multiple times....it's a very heated topic among black people.

I think you're wasting your time, you've explained it in so many ways, as have I and its not really being understood.

eddie wrote:Rags, as I keep repeating, these things aren't good for health and it's scary the lengths some black women feel they need to go to.

Like I've said multiple times, and you've said, multiple times....it's a very heated topic among black people.

I think you're wasting your time, you've explained it in so many ways, as have I and its not really being understood.

Yes, he just doesn't get it at all.

eddie wrote:Rags, as I keep repeating, these things aren't good for health and it's scary the lengths some black women feel they need to go to.

Like I've said multiple times, and you've said, multiple times....it's a very heated topic among black people.

I think you're wasting your time, you've explained it in so many ways, as have I and its not really being understood.

OMG how is it any difference the lenghs white people go with tanning, that very much speeds up the process of aging the skin? Are you now trying to claim this is not dangeroeus? You make the most ridiculous argument here Eddie and make it racial centering on Blacks.
I find that pathetic, as the problem always stems from how people look.
You and Rags have this belief that if people want to lighten there skin they are mainly doing so from a racial stand point based off a couple of testimonies, that is just plainly poor reasoning as per usual/
Have the decency to reply to my points and not speak around me Eddie, you are doing that because you have no answer. Its rude and proves my point further that you have to talk around me and cannot debate me, show some respect as this is why debates descend into slanging matches.

So you claim you are concerned, when are you going to campaign against people tanning Eddie, using tanning salons, people who peroxide their hair? I could go on the list is endless but off a small amount of women that use this to claim a health reason when you have this poor racial belief on this is poor. I would like to see some stats here os how many black women have said they want to be white? If neither of you have this, then you are both speculating badly and using this as a means to make the most pathetic racial point, you both are the cause, not the solution.

This all stemmed from you having issue with how a celebrity looked, judgemental based on racial lines.

@didge
there is a difference with Indians, skin colour is direct sign of classes from the old caste system.
the darker the lower.. it is sad but true in many Asian nations that fair skin is highly valued.

tanning is new and although there is association to health etc it is not quite the same. no is considered 'untouchable' because of it...
there is racism in Asia that will need to be dealt with and largely is in cities but rural areas will take longer (everyone has their redneck equivalent)

veya_victaous wrote:@didge
there is a difference with Indians, skin colour is direct sign of classes from the old caste system.
the darker the lower.. it is sad but true in many Asian nations that fair skin is highly valued.

tanning is new and although there is association to health etc it is not quite the same. no is considered 'untouchable' because of it...
there is racism in Asia that will need to be dealt with and largely is in cities but rural areas will take longer (everyone has their redneck equivalent)  

We are not talking about Asians though, so stay on topic.
Tanning i is not new, you need to again learn your history.
We are talking about two women here judging how some black women want to lighten their skin where they think its all because they want to be white. I take issue with two girls who are classed as white judging others for how others look. ignoring countless others, which is how this started, based on Eddie clearly having this notion that Beyonce wants to be white.
Its people like Eddie that ends up without realising create racial problems. The fact is the amount of black women who do want to be as they claim white is tiny and it will stem from the discrmination felt by black people and the advantages of white middle class.

yeah but some want to 'lighter' that is actually true ( i don't think any product will make them white)

tanning is new, Fair skin is traditionally valued because it means you don't spend all day working in the field
http://www.the-beheld.com/2012/03/enduring-popularity-of-tans.html

Part of the answer, as with many things fashionable, is Coco Chanel. Prior to the designer’s rise to prominence, clothes covered so much of women’s form that a body tan was impossible, and a tan on the face and hands signified what it still does in developing nations: that the tanned person is an outdoor laborer, most likely of low social status. Lily-white skin remained a sign of a lady even after industrialization, but legend has it that when Chanel was accidentally sunburned during a trip to the Riviera and developed a tan shortly thereafter, her new hue took fire as a symbol of all she herself embodied: modernism, luxury, and independence. The episode “coincided” with a shift in the medical approach to sunlight, as the medical field went from regarding the sun as dangerous to seeing it as a cure-all within a span of 30 years.  

who knows what beyonce thinks  she is super rich anyway

veya_victaous wrote:yeah but some want to 'lighter' that is actually true ( i don't think any product will make them white)

tanning is new, Fair skin is traditionally valued because it means you don't spend all day working in the field
http://www.the-beheld.com/2012/03/enduring-popularity-of-tans.html

Part of the answer, as with many things fashionable, is Coco Chanel. Prior to the designer’s rise to prominence, clothes covered so much of women’s form that a body tan was impossible, and a tan on the face and hands signified what it still does in developing nations: that the tanned person is an outdoor laborer, most likely of low social status. Lily-white skin remained a sign of a lady even after industrialization, but legend has it that when Chanel was accidentally sunburned during a trip to the Riviera and developed a tan shortly thereafter, her new hue took fire as a symbol of all she herself embodied: modernism, luxury, and independence. The episode “coincided” with a shift in the medical approach to sunlight, as the medical field went from regarding the sun as dangerous to seeing it as a cure-all within a span of 30 years.  

who knows what beyonce thinks  she is super rich anyway

OMG again, but where does this stem from that some of them want to be white?
Discrmination and white dominance within a country?
This is the point being made, where again it all stems from looks and then other issues like white middle class dominance/The fact is white people do the same deliberately every year going away tring to darken their skins as much as possible which is far more dangerous and ages the skin beyond its time. All you have here is two girls being judgemental making a racial issue as per usual, as they think their shit smells better than most. They fail to factor in why thes problems occur and again its a very small amount of people that do. No product will make them white but its the core principle of how people want to look and then a factor on how which creates this issue. As far as I am concerned Eddie was using this to do her usual jdugement time bashing of celebrities, from a woman who has an astounding singing voice, which to me is where this petty jealousy stems from.
As what does it matter what Beyonce looks like or that her skin is lighter?
It does not, it was just a poor means to have a go at her.



These are the latest pictures of her, now you tell me does she look white:








http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3193722/Beyonc-Taylor-Swift-Lionel-Messi-followed-celebrities-Instagram-revealed-FIVE-Kardashian-clan-mix.html



No

the wanting to be lighter doesn't have anything to do with Europe.
it is trend older than that from the time of the caste system.

what it has to do with it is that "bitches be crazy y'all"
seriously people laugh at Romans putting lead paint on their face then go get Botox. No matter what a chick has she will want something different females of our species have literally been doing this through out recorded history.

BUT back to topic What does that have to do with a gay couple in Tesco???

veya_victaous wrote:the wanting to be lighter doesn't have anything to do with Europe.
it is trend older than that from the time of the caste system.

what it has to do with it is that "bitches be crazy y'all"
seriously people laugh at Romans putting lead paint on their face then go get Botox. No matter what a chick has she will want something different females of our species have literally been doing this through out recorded history.

BUT back to topic What does that have to do with a gay couple in Tesco???

Exactly, there are many reasons Veya.

It has nothing to do with the topic, it was just a poor excuse to have a bitch and moan about people with how they look.

veya_victaous wrote:the wanting to be lighter doesn't have anything to do with Europe.
it is trend older than that from the time of the caste system.

what it has to do with it is that "bitches be crazy y'all"
seriously people laugh at Romans putting lead paint on their face then go get Botox. No matter what a chick has she will want something different females of our species have literally been doing this through out recorded history.

BUT back to topic What does that have to do with a gay couple in Tesco???

It started with Ben talking about being carded by a cashier, and he made the point that the cashier was white, the same race as him so he was surprised, the idea being that people usually have difficulty judging the age of someone who is of a different race. He then posted a pic of Beyonce as an example of someone who hasn't aged. It went on from there.

veya_victaous wrote:yeah but some want to 'lighter' that is actually true ( i don't think any product will make them white)

tanning is new, Fair skin is traditionally valued because it means you don't spend all day working in the field
http://www.the-beheld.com/2012/03/enduring-popularity-of-tans.html

Part of the answer, as with many things fashionable, is Coco Chanel. Prior to the designer’s rise to prominence, clothes covered so much of women’s form that a body tan was impossible, and a tan on the face and hands signified what it still does in developing nations: that the tanned person is an outdoor laborer, most likely of low social status. Lily-white skin remained a sign of a lady even after industrialization, but legend has it that when Chanel was accidentally sunburned during a trip to the Riviera and developed a tan shortly thereafter, her new hue took fire as a symbol of all she herself embodied: modernism, luxury, and independence. The episode “coincided” with a shift in the medical approach to sunlight, as the medical field went from regarding the sun as dangerous to seeing it as a cure-all within a span of 30 years.  

who knows what beyonce thinks  she is super rich anyway

Yes, skin lightening also goes on in Asian countries for the reason you've given. Deliberate tanning is relatively new, I agree. I guess a tan suggests that someone went to St Tropez on holiday rather than Skegness. Then fake tans became popular because of the ageing and health issues associated with natural suntans.

Cuchulain wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:yeah but some want to 'lighter' that is actually true ( i don't think any product will make them white)

tanning is new, Fair skin is traditionally valued because it means you don't spend all day working in the field
http://www.the-beheld.com/2012/03/enduring-popularity-of-tans.html


who knows what beyonce thinks  she is super rich anyway

OMG again, but where does this stem from that some of them want to be white?
Discrmination and white dominance within a country?
This is the point being made, where again it all stems from looks and then other issues like white middle class dominance/The fact is white people do the same deliberately every year going away tring to darken their skins as much as possible which is far more dangerous and ages the skin beyond its time. All you have here is two girls being judgemental making a racial issue as per usual, as they think their shit smells better than most. They fail to factor in why thes problems occur and again its a very small amount of people that do. No product will make them white but its the core principle of how people want to look and then a factor on how which creates this issue. As far as I am concerned Eddie was using this to do her usual jdugement time bashing of celebrities, from a woman who has an astounding singing voice, which to me is where this petty jealousy stems from.
As what does it matter what Beyonce looks like or that her skin is lighter?
It does not, it was just a poor means to have a go at her.



These are the latest pictures of her, now you tell me does she look white:








http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3193722/Beyonc-Taylor-Swift-Lionel-Messi-followed-celebrities-Instagram-revealed-FIVE-Kardashian-clan-mix.html



No

Isn't the first pic Kim Kardashian?

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:Rags, as I keep repeating, these things aren't good for health and it's scary the lengths some black women feel they need to go to.

Like I've said multiple times, and you've said, multiple times....it's a very heated topic among black people.

I think you're wasting your time, you've explained it in so many ways, as have I and its not really being understood.

OMG how is it any difference the lenghs white people go with tanning, that very much speeds up the process of aging the skin? Are you now trying to claim this is not dangeroeus? You make the most ridiculous argument here Eddie and make it racial centering on Blacks.
I find that pathetic, as the problem always stems from how people look.
You and Rags have this belief that if people want to lighten there skin they are mainly doing so from a racial stand point based off a couple of testimonies, that is just plainly poor reasoning as per usual/
Have the decency to reply to my points and not speak around me Eddie, you are doing that because you have no answer. Its rude and proves my point further that you have to talk around me and cannot debate me, show some respect as this is why debates descend into slanging matches.

So you claim you are concerned, when are you going to campaign against people tanning Eddie, using tanning salons, people who peroxide their hair? I could go on the list is endless but off a small amount of women that use this to claim a health reason when you have this poor racial belief on this is poor. I would like to see some stats here os how many black women have said they want to be white? If neither of you have this, then you are both speculating badly and using this as a means to make the most pathetic racial point, you both are the cause, not the solution.

This all stemmed from you having issue with how a celebrity looked, judgemental based on racial lines.

Didge you actually do not ever READ people's posts properly - you misquote and misread all the time - it's a very big fault of yours.

I have said, many times, that tanning is just as bad.
I cannot be repeating myself over and over - I'm not sure what your "OMG's" are about?
We seem to agree that if a beauty regime is harmful then it's not in that persons best interest, right?

Okay then! That's what I've been saying???!

Jeez you really tire me out

Oh and not to mention I think I have a really decent understanding of black people seeing as I have grown up with them and still have very old friends who are black

AND I WILL REITERATE, USING CAPS, THAT IT IS WELL-KNOWN WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT LIGHTER SKIN IS CONSIDERED BY MOST, MORE ATTRACTIVE

Just in case it's missed AGAIN, that I've said that many times!

Also a lot of black girls go to great lengths NOT to get tanned and go darker on holidays.

It's well-known! If you are close to a lot of black people and lived their lives and among them long enough, you will know this.

eddie wrote:Oh and not to mention I think I have a really decent understanding of black people seeing as I have grown up with them and still have very old friends who are black

AND I WILL REITERATE, USING CAPS, THAT IT IS WELL-KNOWN WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT LIGHTER SKIN IS CONSIDERED BY MOST, MORE ATTRACTIVE

Just in case it's missed AGAIN, that I've said that many times!

Also a lot of black girls go to great lengths NOT to get tanned and go darker on holidays.

It's well-known! If you are close to a lot of black people and lived their lives and among them long enough, you will know this.

Do your black friends say why they think lighter skin is more attractive eddie?

eddie wrote:Oh and not to mention I think I have a really decent understanding of black people seeing as I have grown up with them and still have very old friends who are black

AND I WILL REITERATE, USING CAPS, THAT IT IS WELL-KNOWN WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT LIGHTER SKIN IS CONSIDERED BY MOST, MORE ATTRACTIVE

Just in case it's missed AGAIN, that I've said that many times!

Also a lot of black girls go to great lengths NOT to get tanned and go darker on holidays.

It's well-known! If you are close to a lot of black people and lived their lives and among them long enough, you will know this.

You have a decent understanding of black people and I have not growing up where I did in London where it was mainly Irish and Afro-Caribbean?
How can I say what you are saying is absolute horsehsit and stems from a white racial view that black women are unnatractive.
So I am well aware where such a poor view comes from and it is this where some black girls have seen black men go with white women and feel unnatractive wrongly thinking they have to look like someone else. This is not just found with some black women but countless women where they try to look like others. Its peer pressure that creates this.
The reason why what you are saying is absolutely silly is because of poor beliefs some people have when what people are attracted to is subjective beyond belief and if some think lighter skin is more attractove this stems from a very limited amount of people you have met and no doubt also shallow minded.
The point is it should not matter how people look because what you and I might find attractive others will view diferently.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:Oh and not to mention I think I have a really decent understanding of black people seeing as I have grown up with them and still have very old friends who are black

AND I WILL REITERATE, USING CAPS, THAT IT IS WELL-KNOWN WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT LIGHTER SKIN IS CONSIDERED BY MOST, MORE ATTRACTIVE

Just in case it's missed AGAIN, that I've said that many times!

Also a lot of black girls go to great lengths NOT to get tanned and go darker on holidays.

It's well-known! If you are close to a lot of black people and lived their lives and among them long enough, you will know this.

Do your black friends say why they think lighter skin is more attractive eddie?

Black men prefer it and it's just considered nicer.
alot of black  girls dislike the fact that black men prefer white girls - I suffered a lot of bitchiness from black girls when I dated black guys - and therefore they will assume that the guys prefer lighter skin (mixed race girls and Hispanic girls are considered "whiter" and more attractive too)

Black girls also try to obtain straighter hair to look whiter -  which is crazy because white girls curl theirs!!!

It's not always admitted but it's very well-known.

I think it does stem also, from celebs looking lighter-skinned (there aren't many really really dark celebs? And if they start that way watch them get lighter!)

There's a certain colour within black communities called "red-skin"
It's actually a sort of "tanned looking" mixed race colour? That is always strived to achieve.

Oh and I need to add, for didge's benefit - that these views ARE NOT MINE!

I know you understand rags but Didge will think I'm being "racist"
Obviously.

What a crock of shit Eddie, you speak of a very selct group of people and if as you claim was the case near enough all children would be mixed race and no white fathers and black mothers. Again such an utterly poor sterotype based off a select few people you have known in life, which you now make the bases for an argument on attractiveness, where again there is countless and far more Black parents that have children.
This is what utterly annoys me and stem from poor pathetic racial sterotypes.

Some black men fancy white women and some black women, some asian women, its down to attractives by the individual, not some racist horsehit.
You cannot control who you are physically attracted to, nobody can.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:Oh and not to mention I think I have a really decent understanding of black people seeing as I have grown up with them and still have very old friends who are black

AND I WILL REITERATE, USING CAPS, THAT IT IS WELL-KNOWN WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT LIGHTER SKIN IS CONSIDERED BY MOST, MORE ATTRACTIVE

Just in case it's missed AGAIN, that I've said that many times!

Also a lot of black girls go to great lengths NOT to get tanned and go darker on holidays.

It's well-known! If you are close to a lot of black people and lived their lives and among them long enough, you will know this.

You have a decent understanding of black people and I have not growing up where I did in London where it was mainly Irish and Afro-Caribbean?
How can I say what you are saying is absolute horsehsit and stems from a white racial view that black women are unnatractive.
So I am well aware where such a poor view comes from and it is this where some black girls have seen black men go with white women and feel unnatractive wrongly thinking they have to look like someone else. This is not just found with some black women but countless women where they try to look like others. Its peer pressure that creates this.
The reason why what you are saying is absolutely silly is because of poor beliefs some people have when what people are attracted to is subjective beyond belief and if some think lighter skin is more attractove this stems from a very limited amount of people you have met and no doubt also shallow minded.
The point is it should not matter how people look because what you and I might find attractive others will view diferently.

Yes Didge that's right
So why are you arguing with me when I'm saying the same things as you?

It happens flemthe reasons you've outlined - which over stated many time and it's. It right they should feel this way

So what's the point of keep going "OMG EDDIE!"

Rags and I have been saying the same thing for the whole thread

And yes, we are off topic

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

You have a decent understanding of black people and I have not growing up where I did in London where it was mainly Irish and Afro-Caribbean?
How can I say what you are saying is absolute horsehsit and stems from a white racial view that black women are unnatractive.
So I am well aware where such a poor view comes from and it is this where some black girls have seen black men go with white women and feel unnatractive wrongly thinking they have to look like someone else. This is not just found with some black women but countless women where they try to look like others. Its peer pressure that creates this.
The reason why what you are saying is absolutely silly is because of poor beliefs some people have when what people are attracted to is subjective beyond belief and if some think lighter skin is more attractove this stems from a very limited amount of people you have met and no doubt also shallow minded.
The point is it should not matter how people look because what you and I might find attractive others will view diferently.

Yes Didge that's right
So why are you arguing with me when I'm saying the same things as you?

It happens flemthe reasons you've outlined - which over stated many time and it's. It right they should feel this way

So what's the point of keep going "OMG EDDIE!"

Rags and I have been saying the same thing for the whole thread

And yes, we are off topic

Not saying anything the same as you
It shows you cannot read either.

Again can anyone control who they are physically atrracted to?

Take your time

When you have answered that then how can it be racial?

In your won time

Nothing worse than ignorance

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Do your black friends say why they think lighter skin is more attractive eddie?

Black men prefer it and it's just considered nicer.
alot of black  girls dislike the fact that black men prefer white girls - I suffered a lot of bitchiness from black girls when I dated black guys - and therefore they will assume that the guys prefer lighter skin (mixed race girls and Hispanic girls are considered "whiter" and more attractive too)

Black girls also try to obtain straighter hair to look whiter -  which is crazy because white girls curl theirs!!!

It's not always admitted but it's very well-known.

I think it does stem also, from celebs looking lighter-skinned (there aren't many really really dark celebs? And if they start that way watch them get lighter!)

There's a certain colour within black communities called "red-skin"
It's actually a sort of "tanned looking" mixed race colour? That is always strived to achieve.

Oh and I need to add, for didge's benefit - that these views ARE NOT MINE!

I know you understand rags but Didge will think I'm being "racist"
Obviously.

Of course I understand eddie. As I said, there is a forum out there populated largely by black Americans, and I was reading it last night. Of course the people there don't speak for everyone, but they do bring up the issues you mentioned.

Re the issue of black girls not liking you dating black men, is that because they consider that black men should only go out with black women do you think?

The hair issue is also interesting. Are black girls who straighten their hair trying to have "white hair"? Are white girls who have those corn rows trying to have "black hair"? That's another interesting subject, but I think that the hair issue is generally more cosmetic. Both black and white ladies tend to focus a lot on their hair.