Gay couple [claim] abused by Tesco cashier / (skin colour from page nine)

by Guest Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:31 am

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A gay couple were subjected to a torrent of abuse in a London branch of Tesco after they shared a brief kiss in the store. Steve Luetchford, 28, was shopping with his 25-year-old partner Mattia Pievani at a Tesco branch in Brixton on Friday evening when, they claim, a female cashier verbally abused them. The woman is alleged to have said that the couple should be "ashamed" after she witnessed their intimate moment. When they challenged the woman on her views she continued to insult them, it is claimed.
They then requested that two other staff members refer them to the store manager so that they could lodge a complaint.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/11791755/Gay-couple-abused-by-Tesco-cashier.html

by Ben Reilly Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:04 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Why is homophobia more important than any other kind of phobia, or whatever you want to call it?

I think it's because gay people have been subjected to worse treatment lately than, say, fat people, and on par with the bad treatment of black people in the U.S.

Seriously -- a people forcibly imported to our country, enslaved and then spat upon ever since the country legalized their human rights ...

by Guest Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:05 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Why is homophobia more important than any other kind of phobia, or whatever you want to call it?

Any discrmination is wrong. Any found should be dealt with as left unchecked it allows for people to believe it is acceptablle to do so. This then leads to further complications and even violence. You combat any form of discimination, in this instance it is homophobia

by Raggamuffin Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:06 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Why is homophobia more important than any other kind of phobia, or whatever you want to call it?

I think it's because gay people have been subjected to worse treatment lately than, say, fat people, and on par with the bad treatment of black people in the U.S.

Seriously -- a people forcibly imported to our country, enslaved and then spat upon ever since the country legalized their human rights ...

Ah, fat people. What if a cashier told someone they were too fat to fit in the check out queue? Laughing

by Ben Reilly Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:08 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Why is homophobia more important than any other kind of phobia, or whatever you want to call it?

I think it's because gay people have been subjected to worse treatment lately than, say, fat people, and on par with the bad treatment of black people in the U.S.

Seriously -- a people forcibly imported to our country, enslaved and then spat upon ever since the country legalized their human rights ...

Ah, fat people. What if a cashier told someone they were too fat to fit in the check out queue?

These days? I think Meagan Trainor would get to sit on them ...

by Raggamuffin Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:13 am

It's not just about them being gay anyway is it? It's about the embarrassment of being shouted at. Other customers might have thought the guys were having sex near the dishwasher tablets. Laughing

by Ben Reilly Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:28 am

Raggamuffin wrote:It's not just about them being gay anyway is it? It's about the embarrassment of being shouted at. Other customers might have thought the guys were having sex near the dishwasher tablets.

That always bothers me, it's like the arguments we had in the U.S. about allowing gay people to serve openly and honestly in the military. People apparently really believed the gay guys would have shells and bullets flying all around them, but they'd be trying to get with other soldiers rather than fighting ... Rolling Eyes

Because we all know straight people just jump each other all the time, right?! Smile

by Raggamuffin Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:33 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It's not just about them being gay anyway is it? It's about the embarrassment of being shouted at. Other customers might have thought the guys were having sex near the dishwasher tablets.

That always bothers me, it's like the arguments we had in the U.S. about allowing gay people to serve openly and honestly in the military. People apparently really believed the gay guys would have shells and bullets flying all around them, but they'd be trying to get with other soldiers rather than fighting ...

Because we all know straight people just jump each other all the time, right?!

I didn't mean because they were gay, I just meant generally. If it had been a heterosexual couple, customers might have thought the same thing. Razz

by Ben Reilly Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:39 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It's not just about them being gay anyway is it? It's about the embarrassment of being shouted at. Other customers might have thought the guys were having sex near the dishwasher tablets.

That always bothers me, it's like the arguments we had in the U.S. about allowing gay people to serve openly and honestly in the military. People apparently really believed the gay guys would have shells and bullets flying all around them, but they'd be trying to get with other soldiers rather than fighting ...

Because we all know straight people just jump each other all the time, right?!

I didn't mean because they were gay, I just meant generally. If it had been a heterosexual couple, customers might have thought the same thing.

Gotcha, didn't mean to pounce on that interpretation ... Smile

I'm just an American who's old enough to remember a time when my society tolerated all kinds of gay stereotypes -- my father even tried to teach them to me and my siblings, and we would routinely use "fag" as an insult as children. It's pretty sad, but at the same time it's been a great lesson on how societies can change in a short time. And it reminds me of how old I'm getting, which combined with my bathroom mirror seems a bit redundant ... Smile

I'm kidding, I got carded for beer just yesterday, nearly thanked the cashier but didn't want to spoil the moment Gay couple [claim] abused by Tesco cashier / (skin colour from page nine) - Page 9 2984306523

Gay couple [claim] abused by Tesco cashier / (skin colour from page nine) - Page 9 2984306523

by Raggamuffin Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:51 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't mean because they were gay, I just meant generally. If it had been a heterosexual couple, customers might have thought the same thing.

Gotcha, didn't mean to pounce on that interpretation ...

I'm just an American who's old enough to remember a time when my society tolerated all kinds of gay stereotypes -- my father even tried to teach them to me and my siblings, and we would routinely use "fag" as an insult as children. It's pretty sad, but at the same time it's been a great lesson on how societies can change in a short time. And it reminds me of how old I'm getting, which combined with my bathroom mirror seems a bit redundant ... I'm kidding, I got carded for beer just yesterday, nearly thanked the cashier but didn't want to spoil the moment

You mean the cashier thought you looked young? See, they're not all bad. lol!

by Ben Reilly Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:05 am

And she was even white! Smile

Usually in the U.S. when you're way too old to be carded but get carded anyway, it's because the cashier isn't of your ethnicity -- people still have a hard time eyeballing the ages of people from other races.

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by eddie Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:00 pm

Erm Ben? Beyoncé doesn't even look real anymore let alone ageless!
She's whiter than ever and looks younger than she ever was.
And it's all natural of course. Rolling Eyes

by Raggamuffin Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:15 pm

eddie wrote:Erm Ben? Beyoncé doesn't even look real anymore let alone ageless!
She's whiter than ever and looks younger than she ever was.
And it's all natural of course.

Black ladies do often look younger though - I suppose it's because their skin is better protected against the sun.

by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:07 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:Erm Ben? Beyoncé doesn't even look real anymore let alone ageless!
She's whiter than ever and looks younger than she ever was.
And it's all natural of course.

Black ladies do often look younger though - I suppose it's because their skin is better protected against the sun.

Yes but hers is white?

And black people cream their skin everyday whereas white women tend not to.
I always cream after every shower or bath, as was taught to me by the black people I used to live with.

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:10 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Black ladies do often look younger though - I suppose it's because their skin is better protected against the sun.

Yes but hers is white?

And black people cream their skin everyday whereas white women tend not to.
I always cream after every shower or bath, as was taught to me by the black people I used to live with.

Beyonce is white?

White women do put cream on their skin. That won't prevent wrinkles or sagging though. If it did, all those celebs wouldn't be having botox or face lifts. It's the UV rays which do the most damage re wrinkles. The lighter your skin, the more protection it needs.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:16 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Black ladies do often look younger though - I suppose it's because their skin is better protected against the sun.

Yes but hers is white?

And black people cream their skin everyday whereas white women tend not to.
I always cream after every shower or bath, as was taught to me by the black people I used to live with.

Eddie her skin is not white, even in that picture it is not white.
Your skin is not white.
Where on earth do you get the notion white women to not put moisturiser on?

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:18 pm

Have you not read about the queues in Boots for Protect and Perfect eddie? Laughing

by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:20 pm

Im not talking about special face creams.
Black people cream their skins from birth up - cream all over!

Anyhow what I meant about her skin is white is that she has gotten whiter and whiter! Haven't you noticed???

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:21 pm

eddie wrote:Im not talking about special face creams.
Black people cream their skins from birth up - cream all over!

Anyhow what I meant about her skin is white is that she has gotten whiter and whiter! Haven't you noticed???

There's no such thing as a special face cream.

Although I haven't tried that Boots one myself. Laughing

I hadn't noticed she's got whiter and whiter, but I'll investigate.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:24 pm

eddie wrote:Im not talking about special face creams.
Black people cream their skins from birth up - cream all over!

Anyhow what I meant about her skin is white is that she has gotten whiter and whiter! Haven't you noticed???

Her skin has become light which happens with some black people in western climates.
Have you never seen this
Her skin has become lighter, not white

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:27 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
eddie wrote:Im not talking about special face creams.
Black people cream their skins from birth up - cream all over!

Anyhow what I meant about her skin is white is that she has gotten whiter and whiter! Haven't you noticed???

Her skin has become light which happens with some black people in western climates.
Have you never seen this
Her skin has become lighter, not white

She was born and raised in Houston. I doubt her skin would have become lighter because of that.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:29 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Her skin has become light which happens with some black people in western climates.
Have you never seen this
Her skin has become lighter, not white

She was born and raised in Houston. I doubt her skin would have become lighter because of that.

Really?
Does your skin go darker in the summer and lighter in the winter?

by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:29 pm

Google it Didge! It's not just me that's noticed it!! Lol

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:29 pm

Some people actually protect their skin from being in the sun.

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:31 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

She was born and raised in Houston. I doubt her skin would have become lighter because of that.

Really?
Does your skin go darker in the summer and lighter in the winter?

Well mine doesn't, but the point is that she didn't come from a different country where there were more UV rays.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:31 pm

eddie wrote:Google it Didge! It's not just me that's noticed it!! Lol

OMG, Eddie, how did your ancestors have once dark skin and now lighter skin?

by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:31 pm

Loads of black people do it

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:32 pm

eddie wrote:Google it Didge! It's not just me that's noticed it!! Lol

I saw some pics of her as a baby, and she's not very dark. Her mother isn't very dark either. It's probably a lot to do with lighting and make up eddie. Still investigating though!

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:32 pm

Of course she would go darker if she did get a tan, and then lighter again when it fades, so that could account for it.

by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:33 pm

Hahahaha Didge if you think black woman don't spend fortunes on lightening their skin you don't know much about black people at all!!!!!

Ask any black man - a,out of black women don't always admit it

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Really?
Does your skin go darker in the summer and lighter in the winter?

Well mine doesn't, but the point is that she didn't come from a different country where there were more UV rays.

So you either protect your skin or stay out of the sun

Again your ancestors had darker skin, why is it now you have lighter skin?

by eddie Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:35 pm

Whatever Didge

If you says that it's impossible for black people to do this then..... Whatever?!

Google it.
Or don't.
You're the only one I've ever met who's never heard of it!

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:35 pm

eddie wrote:Hahahaha Didge if you think black woman don't spend fortunes on lightening their skin you don't know much about black people at all!!!!!

Ask any black man - a,out of black women don't always admit it

Sorry what is so funny?
Do you understand how skintones change colour?
Again how is it your ancestors had darker skin Eddie, again?

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:36 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well mine doesn't, but the point is that she didn't come from a different country where there were more UV rays.

So you either protect your skin or stay out of the sun

Again your ancestors had darker skin, why is it now you have lighter skin?

Both. It doesn't really go darker anyway - not on my face, it just burns.

You're talking about millions of years, not a few years in Houston.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:37 pm

I do not get what any point is being made here, as every summer those classed as white do the damdest to darken their skins as much as possible, what is the problem with some wishing to make their skin lighter?

What is the big deal here?

What a big fuss over nothing

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:37 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

So you either protect your skin or stay out of the sun

Again your ancestors had darker skin, why is it now you have lighter skin?

Both. It doesn't really go darker anyway - not on my face, it just burns.

You're talking about millions of years, not a few years in Houston.

Only thousands of years, not millions

http://www.livescience.com/7863-people-white.html

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:38 pm

People can lighten their skin by inhibiting tyrosinase. I'm just not sure she's done it.

Still investigating though.

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:39 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Both. It doesn't really go darker anyway - not on my face, it just burns.

You're talking about millions of years, not a few years in Houston.

Only thousands of years, not millions

http://www.livescience.com/7863-people-white.html

Whatever. It's still not the same as going lighter because she lived in Houston though.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:39 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:People can lighten their skin by inhibiting tyrosinase. I'm just not sure she's done it.

Still investigating though.

And if she has, what does it matter?

Like I say people clearly like to darken their skin all the time, they are called sun worshippers.

Again what on earth is the big deal if this is what makes them happy?

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:41 pm

Cuchulain wrote:I do not get what any point is being made here, as every summer those classed as white do the damdest to darken their skins as much as possible, what is the problem with some wishing to make their skin lighter?

What is the big deal here?

What a big fuss over nothing

Well it can be rather dangerous, as can darkening your skin via a natural tan.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:42 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Only thousands of years, not millions

http://www.livescience.com/7863-people-white.html

Whatever. It's still not the same as going lighter because she lived in Houston though.

And if she protects her skin and does not go out in the sun much, what will happen to her skin over time?

Again not that any of this matters, I just take this issue that it is somehow wrong for people to look different to how some thing they should perceive to look.

I mean people do it with their hair or put makeup on their faces, none of it is natural, yet people still do it to feel good about themselves/

Like i say, what a big fuss over nothing

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:46 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Whatever. It's still not the same as going lighter because she lived in Houston though.

And if she protects her skin and does not go out in the sun much, what will happen to her skin over time?

Again not that any of this matters, I just take this issue that it is somehow wrong for people to look different to how some thing they should perceive to look.

I mean people do it with their hair or put makeup on their faces, none of it is natural, yet people still do it to feel good about themselves/

Like i say, what a big fuss over nothing

She will stay black. She can tan like most people can, but if she doesn't, she'll still be black - albeit quite a light shade of black.

Some black people apparently object to other black people lightening their skin because they say it means they want to be a white person, and are therefore disloyal to their race - something like that anyway.

A tan is also damaging, but it is a natural reaction to UV rays, and white people aren't generally considered to be trying to be black by getting a tan - apart from Rachel Dolezal of course.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:52 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

And if she protects her skin and does not go out in the sun much, what will happen to her skin over time?

Again not that any of this matters, I just take this issue that it is somehow wrong for people to look different to how some thing they should perceive to look.

I mean people do it with their hair or put makeup on their faces, none of it is natural, yet people still do it to feel good about themselves/

Like i say, what a big fuss over nothing

She will stay black. She can tan like most people can, but if she doesn't, she'll still be black - albeit quite a light shade of black.

Some black people apparently object to other black people lightening their skin because they say it means they want to be a white person, and are therefore disloyal to their race - something like that anyway.

A tan is also damaging, but it is a natural reaction to UV rays, and white people aren't generally considered to be trying to be black by getting a tan - apart from Rachel Dolezal of course.

Actually her skin will go lighter after a few years, not by much but it will.

I am not concerned at what some people object to, that is just some people to busy judging others as i am seeing here on how they wish to look.

You see its all racial again, you say white people are not considered to be lookinng black but the assumption is black people are trying to look white. Do you see how absurd that is, when in both cases they are either darkening or lightening their skin because it makes them feel better?

Its got nothing to do with races, because again biologically races do not exists and thus by that reasoning is just plain daft. So if some black people are thinking that then they are in fact being racial or racist themselves as if to say lighter skin is bad to have.

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:55 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

She will stay black. She can tan like most people can, but if she doesn't, she'll still be black - albeit quite a light shade of black.

Some black people apparently object to other black people lightening their skin because they say it means they want to be a white person, and are therefore disloyal to their race - something like that anyway.

A tan is also damaging, but it is a natural reaction to UV rays, and white people aren't generally considered to be trying to be black by getting a tan - apart from Rachel Dolezal of course.

Actually her skin will go lighter after a few years, not by much but it will.

I am not concerned at what some people object to, that is just some people to busy judging others as i am seeing here on how they wish to look.

You see its all racial again, you say white people are not considered to be lookinng black but the assumption is black people are trying to look white. Do you see how absurd that is, when in both cases they are either darkening or lightening their skin because it makes them feel better?

Its got nothing to do with races, because again biologically races do not exists and thus by that reasoning is just plain daft. So if some black people are thinking that then they are in fact being racial or racist themselves as if to say lighter skin is bad to have.

Why will it go lighter after a few years?

I'm just saying what some other people say. I don't care if someone wants a lighter skin, although they should be aware of the dangers of using creams to do it.

I know what you mean though. Pale, white people often get mocked for having white legs or not having a tan on holiday, but black people don't get mocked for having dark legs.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:59 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Actually her skin will go lighter after a few years, not by much but it will.

I am not concerned at what some people object to, that is just some people to busy judging others as i am seeing here on how they wish to look.

You see its all racial again, you say white people are not considered to be lookinng black but the assumption is black people are trying to look white. Do you see how absurd that is, when in both cases they are either darkening or lightening their skin because it makes them feel better?

Its got nothing to do with races, because again biologically races do not exists and thus by that reasoning is just plain daft. So if some black people are thinking that then they are in fact being racial or racist themselves as if to say lighter skin is bad to have.

Why will it go lighter after a few years?

I'm just saying what some other people say. I don't care if someone wants a lighter skin, although they should be aware of the dangers of using creams to do it.

I know what you mean though. Pale, white people often get mocked for having white legs or not having a tan on holiday, but black people don't get mocked for having dark legs.

Yes i know what you are saying, but what I see is people judging others for how they look based racially, which I think is a bad way to look at people and further creates a divide between people. So if if some are wanting to look lighter, then good luck to them, that is no different from people wanting to look darker.

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:01 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why will it go lighter after a few years?

I'm just saying what some other people say. I don't care if someone wants a lighter skin, although they should be aware of the dangers of using creams to do it.

I know what you mean though. Pale, white people often get mocked for having white legs or not having a tan on holiday, but black people don't get mocked for having dark legs.

Yes i know what you are saying, but what I see is people judging others for how they look based racially, which I think is a bad way to look at people and further creates a divide between people. So if if some are wanting to look lighter, then good luck to them, that is no different from people wanting to look darker.

Some of them judge themselves Didge. This might interest you.

http://howtobleachskin.info/1735/where-can-you-get-skin-bleaching-lipstick-alley-on-line/

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:03 pm

Michael Jackson went paler of course. He said he had vitiligo, which he may have done, but that usually causes patches of very pale skin, not that overall whiteness he had in the end.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:04 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Yes i know what you are saying, but what I see is people judging others for how they look based racially, which I think is a bad way to look at people and further creates a divide between people. So if if some are wanting to look lighter, then good luck to them, that is no different from people wanting to look darker.

Some of them judge themselves Didge. This might interest you.

http://howtobleachskin.info/1735/where-can-you-get-skin-bleaching-lipstick-alley-on-line/

Interesting, but each to their own.

Anyway have you never seen how some old black people have skin that is lighter than when they were younger and it was much darker?

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:06 pm

The other reason some black women might lighten their skin is because they have uneven skin tone with darker patches. That's a bit dodgy though because trying to lighten some bits and not others is a bit hit and miss.

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:11 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Some of them judge themselves Didge. This might interest you.

http://howtobleachskin.info/1735/where-can-you-get-skin-bleaching-lipstick-alley-on-line/

Interesting, but each to their own.

Anyway have you never seen how some old black people have skin that is lighter than when they were younger and it was much darker?

Possibly because the production of melanin slows down, like everything else. Laughing

by Raggamuffin Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:13 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Some of them judge themselves Didge. This might interest you.

http://howtobleachskin.info/1735/where-can-you-get-skin-bleaching-lipstick-alley-on-line/

Interesting, but each to their own.

Anyway have you never seen how some old black people have skin that is lighter than when they were younger and it was much darker?

Did you see the reasons she wanted to be whiter?

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