Gay Marriage declared legal across the USA!

by Eilzel Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:59 pm

First topic message reminder :

So, the Supreme Court of the United States just legalized same sex marriages across the whole of the USA. They have declared the bans on it as 'unconstitutional'. Great news America! Though was this ever really in doubt longterm? Cool

Gonna be a fair few weeping conservatives tonight I imagine, might want to be careful they don't cause the Mississippi to flood there Laughing

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/26/gay-marriage-legal-supreme-court

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:54 am

Jesus died so that heterosexual and homosexual sinners might be saved. Jesus created sexuality, and has a clear will for how it is to be experienced in holiness and joy.

His will is that a man might leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and that the two become one flesh (Mark 10:6–9). In this union, sexuality finds its God-appointed meaning, whether in personal-physical unification, symbolic representation, sensual jubilation, or fruitful procreation.

For those who have forsaken God’s path of sexual fulfillment, and walked into homosexual intercourse or heterosexual extramarital fornication or adultery, Jesus offers astonishing mercy.

Such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:11)
But today this salvation from sinful sexual acts was not embraced. Instead there was massive institutionalization of sin.

In a 5-to-4 decision, the Supreme Court of the United States of America has ruled that states cannot ban same-sex marriage.

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/so-called-same-sex-marriage

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:59 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:Jesus died so that heterosexual and homosexual sinners might be saved. Jesus created sexuality, and has a clear will for how it is to be experienced in holiness and joy.

His will is that a man might leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and that the two become one flesh (Mark 10:6–9). In this union, sexuality finds its God-appointed meaning, whether in personal-physical unification, symbolic representation, sensual jubilation, or fruitful procreation.

For those who have forsaken God’s path of sexual fulfillment, and walked into homosexual intercourse or heterosexual extramarital fornication or adultery, Jesus offers astonishing mercy.

Such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:11)
But today this salvation from sinful sexual acts was not embraced. Instead there was massive institutionalization of sin.

In a 5-to-4 decision, the Supreme Court of the United States of America has ruled that states cannot ban same-sex marriage.

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/so-called-same-sex-marriage

amen...

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by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:06 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:and YES equality, you have to treat people equally, So if someone starts talking about make believe fairytale that have been categorically disproved they should be treated equally to anyone else have delusional hallucinations, which is ignored...

equality doesn't mean everyone gets to do what they want, it means the same standard must apply to everyone.
AND it is completely separate from a business. a Business DOES NOT HAVE EQUALITY, it is subject to legislation and requirements specific to a Business. A business no more right to enforce it's personal beliefs on the public than to sell drugs. both are against the requirements for running a business.

apply equally to everyone, so if business people have the right to refuse any sale to any person then that should be their right by equality...

but why should a business be subject to homosexuals, what special rights do they have and why as they are a minority abnormal and unnatural..

will the law defend the Christian who wants the Muslim to make a cake that says allah sucks Jesus is the son of God..??

I think though that if someone wanted a cake with "Christianity sucks - support gay marriage", it would have been different because religious faith is protected to an extent.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:11 am

If a gay baker had refused to decorate a cake with something like "Support Christianity", they would also have been discriminating and breaking the law.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:23 am

The question is - would it be lawful to refuse to decorate a cake with "support heterosexual marriage" in the UK? The law says you cannot discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation, so I guess it wouldn't be lawful. However, the implication is that the customer is saying they don't support gay marriage ...

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:06 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:If a gay baker had refused to decorate a cake with something like "Support Christianity", they would also have been discriminating and breaking the law.

they would be breaking the law but i doubt it would get any serious backing or ever make court...

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:08 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:The question is - would it be lawful to refuse to decorate a cake with "support heterosexual marriage" in the UK? The law says you cannot discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation, so I guess it wouldn't be lawful. However, the implication is that the customer is saying they don't support gay marriage ...

Yes it would be lawful, because simply supporting an idea isnt the same as actively discriminating against and, more importantly the law (in general) cannot go into "implications"...merely "what is" since defining what exactly is "implied" could only EVER be classed as "heresay"

that will teach me to read properly

No it would not strictly speaking be lawful, especially under the same circumstances in which the bakers refused the "gay cake" job.
however implications as suggested above dont count in law......

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:26 pm

mentor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:The question is - would it be lawful to refuse to decorate a cake with "support heterosexual marriage" in the UK? The law says you cannot discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation, so I guess it wouldn't be lawful. However, the implication is that the customer is saying they don't support gay marriage ...

Yes it would be lawful, because simply supporting an idea isnt the same as actively discriminating against and, more importantly the law (in general) cannot go into "implications"...merely "what is" since defining what exactly is "implied" could only EVER be classed as "heresay"

You mean it would be unlawful to refuse.

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:00 pm

So much fuss made over cake.

by eddie Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:05 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:So much fuss made over cake.

Let them eat it. That's what I say! Gay Marriage declared legal across the USA! - Page 6 3017092254

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:06 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:So much fuss made over cake.

It's just an example re the discrimination laws.

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:08 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:So much fuss made over cake.

But it is someone's business that was attacked which is disgusting and in a time when people are struggling to stay in work , but i guess that doesn't matter as long as the gays get what they want .

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:11 pm

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:So much fuss made over cake.

But it is someone's business that was attacked which is disgusting and in a time when people are struggling to stay in work , but i guess that doesn't matter as long as the gays get what they want .

exactly, the idiot who went for the cake was from queer space it was a deliberate attack...

by Original Quill Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:14 pm

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:So much fuss made over cake.

But it is someone's business that was attacked which is disgusting and in a time when people are struggling to stay in work , but i guess that doesn't matter as long as the gays get what they want .

What are you, a Marxist? Since when did the 'work' value become elevated over the 'lawful' value?

In this country, it has to do with interstate commerce. The government may pass laws that protect against inhibition of free commerce. Discrimination inhibits free commerce. Hence, in 1964 the federal government passed legislation against discrimination toward blacks. Blacks are a 'protected category'.

Heretofore, gays were not previously a protected category, so the laws prohibiting them went under the 'relaxed scrutiny' test. However, some have argued that in the Windson case, Justice Kennedy made gays a new protected category:

Outside the Beltway wrote:Doug Mataconis has already broken down today’s landmark gay rights rulings in some detail in “Supreme Court Strikes Down DOMA, Dismisses Prop. 8 Appeal For Lack Of Standing.” But the sweeping nature of the first ruling is worthy of further comment.

Justice Kennedy’s opinion in Windsor is far more sweeping than I would have predicted. I was expecting DOMA to be struck down on the basis on that it’s a state issue and that the Full Faith and Credit Clause trumped any statute. That would not only have been largely uncontroversial but have had no practical impact, since the Obama administration isn’t enforcing the law anyway.

Instead, the five justices in the majority have made sexual orientation a full-fledged protected class under the 5th (and presumably 14th) Amendment. That is indeed truly historic.

[analysis]

I haven’t had a chance, and am unlikely to have one for a while, to read beyond the lengthy summary. But Kennedy and the four liberal Justices have clearly issued a more sweeping ruling than they need to. Indeed, they make the states’ rights argument almost a subset of the larger Equal Protection argument. This would seem to set a rather powerful precedent that goes beyond the narrow question of marriage.

Italics added.

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:21 pm

It seems like when they get to the point where they can't even tolerate business transactions with gay people, Christians are pushing themselves further and further from the rest of the world. It's funny, I thought Jesus sent them to save the world?

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:25 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:It seems like when they get to the point where they can't even tolerate business transactions with gay people, Christians are pushing themselves further and further from the rest of the world. It's funny, I thought Jesus sent them to save the world?

The bakers weren't bothered if the customer was gay or not, they just didn't like the message on the cake.

Why don't you lay off Christians? It's making you sound bigoted - you know, the thing you don't like?

by Original Quill Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:41 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Why don't you lay off Christians? It's making you sound bigoted - you know, the thing you don't like?

That knee-jerk response makes you sound bigoted today, Raggs. I think it's time we realized that Christians today have distinguished themselves as the extremists, perhaps beginning with the Southern Baptists in the south.

There was a day when most felt protective of any group that identified itself as a religion. But the lines have blurred between religion and cultism and political activism. Look how the Catholics and Mormons have involved themselves in the anti-gay movement. Look how the Southern Baptists have involved themselves in the anti-black movement.

If Christianity, or any religion, wants to stand out there, they're gonna take some shots.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:49 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Why don't you lay off Christians? It's making you sound bigoted - you know, the thing you don't like?

That knee-jerk response makes you sound bigoted today, Raggs. I think it's time we realized that Christians today have distinguished themselves as the extremists, perhaps beginning with the Southern Baptists in the south.

There was a day when most felt protective of any group that identified itself as a religion. But the lines have blurred between religion and cultism and political activism. Look how the Catholics and Mormons have involved themselves in the anti-gay movement. Look how the Southern Baptists have involved themselves in the anti-black movement.

If Christianity, or any religion, wants to stand out there, they're gonna take some shots.

It's Ben who's being bigoted. Any chance to slate Christians eh?

You sound the same - generalising about Christians.

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:50 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:It seems like when they get to the point where they can't even tolerate business transactions with gay people, Christians are pushing themselves further and further from the rest of the world. It's funny, I thought Jesus sent them to save the world?

The bakers weren't bothered if the customer was gay or not, they just didn't like the message on the cake.

Why don't you lay off Christians? It's making you sound bigoted - you know, the thing you don't like?

Really? Would you think I sounded bigoted against black people if I were to criticize a black person who did something anti-social?

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:52 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The bakers weren't bothered if the customer was gay or not, they just didn't like the message on the cake.

Why don't you lay off Christians? It's making you sound bigoted - you know, the thing you don't like?

Really? Would you think I sounded bigoted against black people if I were to criticize a black person who did something anti-social?

If you generalised about black people, yes - like you just generalised about Christians.

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:54 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The bakers weren't bothered if the customer was gay or not, they just didn't like the message on the cake.

Why don't you lay off Christians? It's making you sound bigoted - you know, the thing you don't like?

Really? Would you think I sounded bigoted against black people if I were to criticize a black person who did something anti-social?

If you generalised about black people, yes - just like you just generalised about Christians.

OK, these particular Christians and many who agree with them shouldn't shut themselves off so much from others, because they make the entire religion seem like a closed-off little cult.

Better?

While we're at it, some Christians shouldn't be so sensitive.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:55 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If you generalised about black people, yes - just like you just generalised about Christians.

OK, these particular Christians and many who agree with them shouldn't shut themselves off so much from others, because they make the entire religion seem like a closed-off little cult.

Better?

While we're at it, some Christians shouldn't be so sensitive.

Oh right. You're the one who's generalising and being bigoted, but you blame others for being "sensitive". I do hope you tell anyone who generalises about any group that it's fine, and that anyone who objects is being "sensitive".

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:57 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If you generalised about black people, yes - just like you just generalised about Christians.

OK, these particular Christians and many who agree with them shouldn't shut themselves off so much from others, because they make the entire religion seem like a closed-off little cult.

Better?

While we're at it, some Christians shouldn't be so sensitive.

Oh right. You're the one who's generalising and being bigoted, but you blame others for being "sensitive". I do hope you tell anyone who generalises about any group that it's fine, and that anyone who objects is being "sensitive".

No, what's happened here is that you took a statement I was obviously making about the type of Christians who can't even tolerate doing business with gay people, and pretended I was saying that was all Christians -- so you could take offense and paint me as a bigot.

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:59 pm

Meanwhile, maybe we'd better revisit that old story of the British Muslim busdriver who wanted to pull over and pray a few times a day? Seems that poor old guy's religious freedom is being trampled!

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:01 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh right. You're the one who's generalising and being bigoted, but you blame others for being "sensitive". I do hope you tell anyone who generalises about any group that it's fine, and that anyone who objects is being "sensitive".

No, what's happened here is that you took a statement I was obviously making about the type of Christians who can't even tolerate doing business with gay people, and pretended I was saying that was all Christians -- so you could take offense and paint me as a bigot.

I think you'll find that you were talking about Christians, full stop.

Christians are pushing themselves further and further from the rest of the world. It's funny, I thought Jesus sent them to save the world?

Now if anyone else generalises about gay people, immigrants, Muslims, or whoever, will you tell anyone who objects that they're being "sensitive"?

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:03 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh right. You're the one who's generalising and being bigoted, but you blame others for being "sensitive". I do hope you tell anyone who generalises about any group that it's fine, and that anyone who objects is being "sensitive".

No, what's happened here is that you took a statement I was obviously making about the type of Christians who can't even tolerate doing business with gay people, and pretended I was saying that was all Christians -- so you could take offense and paint me as a bigot.

I think you'll find that you were talking about Christians, full stop.

Christians are pushing themselves further and further from the rest of the world. It's funny, I thought Jesus sent them to save the world?

Now if anyone else generalises about gay people, immigrants, Muslims, or whoever, will you tell anyone who objects that they're being "sensitive"?

Whoa, let's try that again:

Ben_Reilly (actual) wrote:It seems like when they get to the point where they can't even tolerate business transactions with gay people, Christians are pushing themselves further and further from the rest of the world. It's funny, I thought Jesus sent them to save the world?

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:04 pm

Just to make it obvious, I didn't mean that all Christians have gotten to that point Rolling Eyes

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:05 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Just to make it obvious, I didn't mean that all Christians have gotten to that point

You also failed to take into account that not all people who object to homosexuality are Christians.

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:05 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I think you'll find that you were talking about Christians, full stop.

Now if anyone else generalises about gay people, immigrants, Muslims, or whoever, will you tell anyone who objects that they're being "sensitive"?

Whoa, let's try that again:

Ben_Reilly (actual) wrote:It seems like when they get to the point where they can't even tolerate business transactions with gay people, Christians are pushing themselves further and further from the rest of the world. It's funny, I thought Jesus sent them to save the world?

Context, like other things...such as fairness good governance and equity , is beyond the ability of the religiously inclined...
I mean...they cant even correctly understand the context of passages in their various handbooks FGS.

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:06 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:Just to make it obvious, I didn't mean that all Christians have gotten to that point

You also failed to take into account that not all people who object to homosexuality are Christians.

now on tghis I would agree with you. there are many who are simply mean minded gits and havnt got a "faith " to hide behind....
we have one here.....

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:07 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:Just to make it obvious, I didn't mean that all Christians have gotten to that point

You also failed to take into account that not all people who object to homosexuality are Christians.

All right, I'm sorry. Let me take one last crack at writing something that can't be taken the wrong way no matter how determined one might be to do so:

It seems to me, and I could very well be wrong, but a few Christians who have gotten to the point that they can't even do business with gay people -- now that's not to say it's only Christians ... um ... SOME Christians, who don't like gay people, there are other groups that don't as well ... but the ones who can't ... what the fuck was I talking about again?

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:09 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You also failed to take into account that not all people who object to homosexuality are Christians.

All right, I'm sorry. Let me take one last crack at writing something that can't be taken the wrong way no matter how determined one might be to do so:

It seems to me, and I could very well be wrong, but a few Christians who have gotten to the point that they can't even do business with gay people -- now that's not to say it's only Christians ... um ... SOME Christians, who don't like gay people, there are other groups that don't as well ... but the ones who can't ... what the fuck was I talking about again?

That's much better.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:10 pm

mentor wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Whoa, let's try that again:

Context, like other things...such as fairness good governance and equity , is beyond the ability of the religiously inclined...
I mean...they cant even correctly understand the context of passages in their various handbooks FGS.

You're religiously inclined, so why are you slating yourself?

by eddie Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:11 pm

Just to go slightly off-topic, I saw a video of an interview where Obama said he believed a marriage should be between a man and woman - due to his being a Christian.
Has anyone else seen it?

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:14 pm

eddie wrote:Just to go slightly off-topic, I saw a video of an interview where Obama said he believed a marriage should be between a man and woman - due to his being a Christian.
Has anyone else seen it?

yes i think it was before he won the election the first time but to get elected in the states this is the kind of "pandering "they have to do.....sad but true all presidents have done it too one degree or another

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:18 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
mentor wrote:

Context, like other things...such as fairness good governance and equity , is beyond the ability of the religiously inclined...
I mean...they cant even correctly understand the context of passages in their various handbooks FGS.

You're religiously inclined, so why are you slating yourself?

because my religion doesnt cling to the outdated and irrelevant mutterings of an ancient and musty old book for one
my religion isnt regressive and dictatorial for another
my religion doesnt reject science and its discoveries....in fact we welcome, sometimes fund, and always encourage scientific enquiry.

you see ragga, most independant druids have long since rejected the bulk of even what little is known of "the old ways" as superstition and myth....either that or consigned to that file known as "past history in context"

by Ben Reilly Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:18 pm

eddie wrote:Just to go slightly off-topic, I saw a video of an interview where Obama said he believed a marriage should be between a man and woman - due to his being a Christian.
Has anyone else seen it?

Generally interpreted as going with the flow by liberals and cover for the fact that he's a Muslim!!!! by conservatives Smile

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:22 pm

mentor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You're religiously inclined, so why are you slating yourself?

because my religion doesnt cling to the outdated and irrelevant mutterings of an ancient and musty old book for one
my religion isnt regressive and dictatorial for another
my religion doesnt reject science and its discoveries....in fact we welcome, sometimes fund, and always encourage scientific enquiry.

you see ragga, most independant druids have long since rejected the bulk of even what little is known of "the old ways" as superstition and myth....either that or consigned to that file known as "past history in context"

You weren't talking about the Bible though were you - you were generalising, like some others do on here.

You and Ben are cut from the same cloth ...

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:22 pm

So nobody is going to slate the President then?

What a surprise.

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:27 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
mentor wrote:

because my religion doesnt cling to the outdated and irrelevant mutterings of an ancient and musty old book for one
my religion isnt regressive and dictatorial for another
my religion doesnt reject science and its discoveries....in fact we welcome, sometimes fund, and always encourage scientific enquiry.

you see ragga, most independant druids have long since rejected the bulk of even what little is known of "the old ways" as superstition and myth....either that or consigned to that file known as "past history in context"

You weren't talking about the Bible though were you - you were generalising, like some others do on here.

You and Ben are cut from the same cloth ...

am I talking to an idiot...or.........

who said the bible is the ONLY musty old tome out there??
there are more religious fools out there than JUST christians you know......

YOU have a persecution complex.....

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:30 pm

mentor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You weren't talking about the Bible though were you - you were generalising, like some others do on here.

You and Ben are cut from the same cloth ...

am I talking to an idiot...or.........

who said the bible is the ONLY musty old tome out there??
there are more religious fools out there than JUST christians you know......

YOU have a persecution complex.....

You were still generalising about Christians.

You're a bigoted fool - religious or not.

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:30 pm

So it's OK for Obama to say he doesn't approve of gay marriage, but it's not OK for anyone else to say it?

by Original Quill Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:39 pm

korban dallas wrote:
eddie wrote:Just to go slightly off-topic, I saw a video of an interview where Obama said he believed a marriage should be between a man and woman - due to his being a Christian.
Has anyone else seen it?
yes i think it was before he won the election the first time but to get elected in the states this is the kind of "pandering "they have to do.....sad but true all presidents have done it too one degree or another

The first time around (2008) Dr. Obama declared he was against gay marriage. Yes, I guess it was pandering of a sort.

During an appearance on Meet the Press in May 2012, Vice President Joe Biden stated he was in favor of full same-sex marriage rights, indicating a shift his position. Biden clarified that these were his personal views and not necessarily the views of the Obama administration.

After Biden's outing the administration, so to speak, a couple of days later Dr. Obama said, "At a certain point I've just concluded that for me, personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married."

He later indicated his views were evolving: "I had hesitated on gay marriage, in part, because I thought civil unions would be sufficient," he said. "I was sensitive to the fact that -- for a lot of people -- that the word marriage is something that provokes very powerful traditions and religious beliefs."

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:41 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
mentor wrote:

am I talking to an idiot...or.........

who said the bible is the ONLY musty old tome out there??
there are more religious fools out there than JUST christians you know......

YOU have a persecution complex.....

You were still generalising about Christians.

You're a bigoted fool - religious or not.

and you are stupid

lets try some logic...i know you being female it will probably pass you by but...

HF in various posts over time has made it quite clear that he considers that he speaks for ALL christians.

this is understandable since he considers that odd and aberant sect of his the ONLY true christians (and hence by logic the only christians....everyone else is wrong and logicaally therfore NOT "Really" christian)

So, this being the case according to HF YOU are not a "real" christian at all.....

this is exactly the same logic as applied by ISIS....they (and only they) are "true" Muslims...everyone else is merely "playing"

so therfore YOU are in the same position as the so called "normal" Muslim.......that is to say what ISIS does is ISLAM and wholey "Muslim" therfore its "your" fault

in your case what HF says is christianity at its best and wholey typically christian...and its your fault as well.... Laughing

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:42 pm

logic is an horribly cruel master........ Gay Marriage declared legal across the USA! - Page 6 3489511464

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:46 pm

mentor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You were still generalising about Christians.

You're a bigoted fool - religious or not.

and you are stupid

lets try some logic...i know you being female it will probably pass you by but...

HF in various posts over time has made it quite clear that he considers that he speaks for ALL christians.

this is understandable since he considers that odd and aberant sect of his the ONLY true christians (and hence by logic the only christians....everyone else is wrong and logicaally therfore NOT "Really" christian)

So, this being the case according to HF YOU are not a "real" christian at all.....

this is exactly the same logic as applied by ISIS....they (and only they) are "true" Muslims...everyone else is merely "playing"

so therfore YOU are in the same position as the so called "normal" Muslim.......that is to say what ISIS does is ISLAM and wholey "Muslim" therfore its "your" fault

in your case what HF says is christianity at its best and wholey typically christian...and its your fault as well....

Sexist as well as anti-Christian. It just gets better and better.

If you have an issue with what HF says, address him. If you generalise about Christians, I will address you. Now that's logical.

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:53 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
mentor wrote:

and you are stupid

lets try some logic...i know you being female it will probably pass you by but...

HF in various posts over time has made it quite clear that he considers that he speaks for ALL christians.

this is understandable since he considers that odd and aberant sect of his the ONLY true christians (and hence by logic the only christians....everyone else is wrong and logicaally therfore NOT "Really" christian)

So, this being the case according to HF YOU are not a "real" christian at all.....

this is exactly the same logic as applied by ISIS....they (and only they) are "true" Muslims...everyone else is merely "playing"

so therfore YOU are in the same position as the so called "normal" Muslim.......that is to say what ISIS does is ISLAM and wholey "Muslim" therfore its "your" fault

in your case what HF says is christianity at its best and wholey typically christian...and its your fault as well....

Sexist as well as anti-Christian. It just gets better and better.

If you have an issue with what HF says, address him. If you generalise about Christians, I will address you. Now that's logical.

so as predicted you missed the point

1)you are easily distracted because you are a classic "victim" always looking for something to attach your victimhood to...... Gay Marriage declared legal across the USA! - Page 6 2581891615

Gay Marriage declared legal across the USA! - Page 6 2581891615

2)the ultimate logic of the above is indeed beyond you....

and...you defend HF by staying silent when he posts wrongful rubbish...therfore you "sympathise" with him just like all those Muslims, who dont stand up and be counted...

logic little girl...logic......put whatever lies between your pigtails to work.....

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:53 pm

I have said the bible speaks against homosexuality, i have never said I speak for all Christians......

obama is a Muslim that probably makes him against gay marriage, which given his gay past it is still hypocritical...

by Raggamuffin Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:57 pm

mentor wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Sexist as well as anti-Christian. It just gets better and better.

If you have an issue with what HF says, address him. If you generalise about Christians, I will address you. Now that's logical.

so as predicted you missed the point

1)you are easily distracted because you are a classic "victim" always looking for something to attach your victimhood to......
2)the ultimate logic of the above is indeed beyond you....

and...you defend HF by staying silent when he posts wrongful rubbish...therfore you "sympathise" with him just like all those Muslims, who dont stand up and be counted...

logic little girl...logic......put whatever lies between your pigtails to work.....

I don't take much notice of sexist pigs like you - you're lucky you got a reply at all. Cool

by Guest Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:59 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:I have said the bible speaks against homosexuality, i have never said I speak for all Christians......

this is only a matter of "plausible denyability"

you have in the past made it quite clear that you consider your odd little sect to be the only "real" christians...
therfore you choose to speak for all true christians...i mean ...you have even had the temerity to speak for god, claiming to "know" the meaning of various things, that your interpretation is right...so by direct implication you speak for all christians (since the rest are not really christians at all....by your own logic)

obama is a Muslim that probably makes him against gay marriage, which given his gay past it is still hypocritical...
the above is absolute nonsense, without fact to back it, without any reality and merely the product of conservative delirium tremens

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