gay only resort!!! is this legal....??

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
help ? it`s not a disease your ether gay or your not no amount of "help" is going to change that

Eh? I was referring to the men who might want to join a men's club because they went through a bad divorce or whatever, not gay men.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Eh? I was referring to the men who might want to join a men's club because they went through a bad divorce or whatever, not gay men.

sorry i misunderstood

Raggamuffin wrote:Why do you lump everyone in a certain "group" together?

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that there's an assumption on this thread that all gay people are nice, pleasant people who are picked on by dreadful, nasty non-gay people. I think it's quite clear that some gay people are very capable of being bigoted, intolerant, and fairly unpleasant - just like anyone can be. There was one such person on this very forum.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Why do you lump everyone in a certain "group" together?

I think that’s the nature of the problem: discrimination is a process of lumping a “group’ together for purposes of disenfranchising.

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that there's an assumption on this thread that all gay people are nice, pleasant people who are picked on by dreadful, nasty non-gay people. I think it's quite clear that some gay people are very capable of being bigoted, intolerant, and fairly unpleasant - just like anyone can be. There was one such person on this very forum.

There’s a chicken and egg problem here: first came discrimination, then came talking about it.   Discrimination is a form of prejudice...prejudice is a contraction meaning 'pre' and 'judgment', which is what discrimination does.  So there is the chicken and egg problem of which came first.  Prejudice literally means the discrimination came first.

Gay people have a right to a normal life, but those who would discriminate invade that normal life and try to take it away from them.  True, they can be likeable or unlikeable, as fits their personality, but don’t take the opportunity to live a normal life away from them. We don't prejudge them.

Where is “West Key”…I am familiar with most parts of London, but I don’t recognize this.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I think that’s the nature of the problem: discrimination is a process of lumping a “group’ together for purposes of disenfranchising.



There’s a chicken and egg problem here: first came discrimination, then came talking about it.   Discrimination is a form of prejudice...prejudice is a contraction meaning 'pre' and 'judgment', which is what discrimination does.  So there is the chicken and egg problem of which came first.  Prejudice literally means the discrimination came first.

Gay people have a right to a normal life, but those who would discriminate invade that normal life and try to take it away from them.  True, they can be likeable or unlikeable, as fits their personality, but don’t take the opportunity to live a normal life away from them. We don't prejudge them.

Where is “West Key”…I am familiar with most parts of London, but I don’t recognize this.

The Key West resort is in Torquay - got the words the wrong way round.

Raggamuffin wrote:I think it's wrong to lump people together - it's better to see them as individuals.

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't follow the drift of your last point at all. I was merely observing that gay people are just as capable of discriminating against others, or judging others. I don't like this assumption that they are always "victims".

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


You still miss the point don't you?
Its because of you that such places exist and are needed as a sanctuary away from the daily discrimination faced from you and others that do not treat them as equals. You have never treated homosexuals as equals, you claim they are not normal, that is inequality. If your bigotry did not exist, they would have no need of such refugees away from hate.
So they are not treated as equals, you certainly do not treat them as equals.

Thinking that someone isn't normal isn't discrimination, and it's not the same as inequality. Some gay people might think that non-gay people are not normal.

Anyway, these gay clubs aren't about refuge IMO, they're mostly places to meet other gay people.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

Where as some men certainly do face discrimination, this is far removed from where a homosexual is stereotyped and discriminated against by a group of bigoted people in society daily. The men here have only the issue of who treated them like shit, whereas homosexuals face bigoted people daily. I believe such men are not helping their situation being in only the company of men, as it would just continue to form a group of resentment towards women. When they should be looking to reconcile with women to find happiness again. Such a group would hinder these men from being happy, as they are not confronting their demons, so to speak. Where a homosexual only group actually brings a momentary sanctuary from discrimination, the single jilted men in the men club, do not face such discrimination in everyday walks of life. So while I would not disapprove of such a place for men, and can see some merits as a place to seek solace for their troubles, it would not help the overcome their issues in the long term.

It's up to those men to decide how to help themselves - if they want help that is, and if they don't want to mix with women, that's entirely up to them. It's not for others to say how they should deal with their situation.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's up to those men to decide how to help themselves - if they want help that is, and if they don't want to mix with women, that's entirely up to them. It's not for others to say how they should deal with their situation.

Totally missed all the points didn't you in regards to the differences and the act there is male support groups for this? How they do not suffer the same issues of homosexuals faced in society?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


Totally missed all the points didn't you in regards to the differences and the act there is male support groups for this? How they do not suffer the same issues of homosexuals faced in society?

I'm merely saying that there could be very valid reasons for men wanting men's clubs - despite Ben saying there isn't. I was not talking about homosexual people - you were, and I'm not obliged to pander to you.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm merely saying that there could be very valid reasons for men wanting men's clubs - despite Ben saying there isn't. I was not talking about homosexual people - you were, and I'm not obliged to pander to you.

You need to read back and again see what I said.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

You need to read back and again see what I said.

I can't be bothered. I read what you said in reply to my point, and that's what I addressed. I'm not interested in the other stuff - it's bound to be shit anyway.

Belatucadros wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I can't be bothered. I read what you said in reply to my point, and that's what I addressed. I'm not interested in the other stuff - it's bound to be shit anyway.

That is your problem, you are only bother to understand your own point and do not understand others.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


That is your problem, you are only bother to understand your own point and do not understand others.

It's not a problem for me - I just ignore your most shittiest shit, and address the points which I find interesting. You're the one with a problem - insisting people reply to you all the time and address your shitty points. I've even seen you bump posts in order to harass them to answer you.

You and Ben have consistently failed to see anyone else's point of view on this thread - you're both so set in your ways and convinced that you're right and that your views are more important and valid than anyone else's.

Raggamuffin wrote:Go and bore someone else with your whining Didge - you're too repetitive and boring to bother with any more. I'll say what I think on this thread, and you can just suck it up.