Its true!!! lefties CAN inhabit two opposing positions at the same time

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It was your lot who was fond of making black people into slaves. If the effects are still being felt, it's because you never move on from it, and you tell black people that they're "victims".

They are victims.

When black people wake up and begin the day, we have a wide range of issues we have to think about before leaving our homes. Will a police officer kill us today? Or, will some George Zimmerman vigilante see us as a threat in our own neighborhoods and kill us? We brace ourselves for those white colleagues who are pissed Barack Obama won both elections and take out their racist rage on us. When we drive our cars, we have to wonder if we’ll be pulled over because our cars look too expensive for a black person to be driving. If we’re poor and sick, we wonder if we’ll be able to be treated for our illness. We have a lot on our minds, and sometimes it’s overwhelming.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/10_things_black_people_fear_that_white_people_simply_dont_have_to_partner/

Not talking about it is never going to make it go away.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It was your lot who was fond of making black people into slaves. If the effects are still being felt, it's because you never move on from it, and you tell black people that they're "victims".

They are victims.

When black people wake up and begin the day, we have a wide range of issues we have to think about before leaving our homes. Will a police officer kill us today? Or, will some George Zimmerman vigilante see us as a threat in our own neighborhoods and kill us? We brace ourselves for those white colleagues who are pissed Barack Obama won both elections and take out their racist rage on us. When we drive our cars, we have to wonder if we’ll be pulled over because our cars look too expensive for a black person to be driving. If we’re poor and sick, we wonder if we’ll be able to be treated for our illness. We have a lot on our minds, and sometimes it’s overwhelming.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/10_things_black_people_fear_that_white_people_simply_dont_have_to_partner/

Not talking about it is never going to make it go away.

And you said your soul would die if you were in the UK. I'm glad we don't obsess over such things every waking moment here - it must be exhausting.

Have your ever considered that your relentless mission to make black people into victims might actually be causing them to feel like victims?

victorismyhero wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It was your lot who was fond of making black people into slaves. If the effects are still being felt, it's because you never move on from it, and you tell black people that they're "victims".

They are victims.

When black people wake up and begin the day, we have a wide range of issues we have to think about before leaving our homes. Will a police officer kill us today? Or, will some George Zimmerman vigilante see us as a threat in our own neighborhoods and kill us? We brace ourselves for those white colleagues who are pissed Barack Obama won both elections and take out their racist rage on us. When we drive our cars, we have to wonder if we’ll be pulled over because our cars look too expensive for a black person to be driving. If we’re poor and sick, we wonder if we’ll be able to be treated for our illness. We have a lot on our minds, and sometimes it’s overwhelming.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/10_things_black_people_fear_that_white_people_simply_dont_have_to_partner/

Not talking about it is never going to make it go away.

Thats just a "fear based argument"  

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

And you said your soul would die if you were in the UK. I'm glad we don't obsess over such things every waking moment here - it must be exhausting.

Have your ever considered that your relentless mission to make black people into victims might actually be causing them to feel like victims?

1) The UK doesn't have anybody living who was born and raised in a segregated society, like the U.S. does. Again, not talking about it is not going to make it go away -- or do you just ignore your problems and hope they'll go away?

2) I don't try to make black people feel like victims -- I try to accept the reality that we still live in an unequal society and push to make it more equal. (Did you even skim that link?)

Ben_Reilly wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It was your lot who was fond of making black people into slaves. If the effects are still being felt, it's because you never move on from it, and you tell black people that they're "victims".

They are victims.

When black people wake up and begin the day, we have a wide range of issues we have to think about before leaving our homes. Will a police officer kill us today? Or, will some George Zimmerman vigilante see us as a threat in our own neighborhoods and kill us? We brace ourselves for those white colleagues who are pissed Barack Obama won both elections and take out their racist rage on us. When we drive our cars, we have to wonder if we’ll be pulled over because our cars look too expensive for a black person to be driving. If we’re poor and sick, we wonder if we’ll be able to be treated for our illness. We have a lot on our minds, and sometimes it’s overwhelming.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/10_things_black_people_fear_that_white_people_simply_dont_have_to_partner/

Not talking about it is never going to make it go away.

Thats just a "fear based argument"  

Have you ever been victimized because of your ethnicity?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

And you said your soul would die if you were in the UK. I'm glad we don't obsess over such things every waking moment here - it must be exhausting.

Have your ever considered that your relentless mission to make black people into victims might actually be causing them to feel like victims?

1) The UK doesn't have anybody living who was born and raised in a segregated society, like the U.S. does. Again, not talking about it is not going to make it go away -- or do you just ignore your problems and hope they'll go away?

2) I don't try to make black people feel like victims -- I try to accept the reality that we still live in an unequal society and push to make it more equal. (Did you even skim that link?)

Well this thread isn't about America, it's about a woman in the UK who tried the same arguments you use, and failed. I'm just glad we're not so divisive in the UK as you lot are.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It was your lot who was fond of making black people into slaves. If the effects are still being felt, it's because you never move on from it, and you tell black people that they're "victims".

They are victims.

When black people wake up and begin the day, we have a wide range of issues we have to think about before leaving our homes. Will a police officer kill us today? Or, will some George Zimmerman vigilante see us as a threat in our own neighborhoods and kill us? We brace ourselves for those white colleagues who are pissed Barack Obama won both elections and take out their racist rage on us. When we drive our cars, we have to wonder if we’ll be pulled over because our cars look too expensive for a black person to be driving. If we’re poor and sick, we wonder if we’ll be able to be treated for our illness. We have a lot on our minds, and sometimes it’s overwhelming.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/10_things_black_people_fear_that_white_people_simply_dont_have_to_partner/

Not talking about it is never going to make it go away.

Thats just a "fear based argument"  

Have you ever been victimized because of your ethnicity?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:

Thats just a "fear based argument"  

Have you ever been victimized because of your ethnicity?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well this thread isn't about America, it's about a woman in the UK who tried the same arguments you use, and failed. I'm just glad we're not so divisive in the UK as you lot are.

You've got to be fucking kidding me!

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It was your lot who was fond of making black people into slaves. If the effects are still being felt, it's because you never move on from it, and you tell black people that they're "victims".

They are victims.

When black people wake up and begin the day, we have a wide range of issues we have to think about before leaving our homes. Will a police officer kill us today? Or, will some George Zimmerman vigilante see us as a threat in our own neighborhoods and kill us? We brace ourselves for those white colleagues who are pissed Barack Obama won both elections and take out their racist rage on us. When we drive our cars, we have to wonder if we’ll be pulled over because our cars look too expensive for a black person to be driving. If we’re poor and sick, we wonder if we’ll be able to be treated for our illness. We have a lot on our minds, and sometimes it’s overwhelming.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/10_things_black_people_fear_that_white_people_simply_dont_have_to_partner/

Not talking about it is never going to make it go away.

Thats just a "fear based argument"  

Have you ever been victimized because of your ethnicity?

Yep.

The misconduct hearing was told that at the height of the 2011 riots in London, Newbury was sick with tonsillitis when he was sent a message by Trevor Barrett, then also a constable with the Met, who asked him if he was at work.

He replied: “Off mate, though had shit loads of missed calls. Papa Lima [Lewisham] can burn as far as I’m concerned, along with all the spades.” Spade is an archaic racial slur that was used to refer to African-Americans.

Deputy assistant commissioner Maxine de Brunner, who chaired the disciplinary panel, was quoted by the Police Oracle as describing the message as “clearly racist” during the hearing.

Among the offensive messages sent by Cooper was one sent on 23 November 2011, also to Barrett, which said: “These little black ---- are really fucking me off, if they want to act like monkeys why don’t they fuck off to the jungle.”

De Brunner told the hearing: “The panel was particularly concerned about this message which was composed by PC Cooper. It demonstrates to the panel this officer holds racist views.”

Newbury was found to have sent 24 inappropriate text messages to another serving officer, while Cooper sent eight such messages. Most of the messages were not revealed in the hearing and Scotland Yard refused to release further details of their content.

However, the Met confirmed that reporting by Police Oracle, a specialist publication, was correct. “The messages were described as racist and discriminatory in tone and content,” a spokesman said.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well this thread isn't about America, it's about a woman in the UK who tried the same arguments you use, and failed. I'm just glad we're not so divisive in the UK as you lot are.

You've got to be fucking kidding me!

Not at all. In the US, according to you, black people spend every waking moment thinking about being victims, and it seems that white people spend their time either feeling guilty about black people, or resentful. You certainly seem to obsess about it rather a lot.

Don't you ever get bored with it?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Not at all. In the US, according to you, black people spend every waking moment thinking about being victims, and it seems that white people spend their time either feeling guilty about black people, or resentful. You certainly seem to obsess about it rather a lot.

Don't you ever get bored with it?

I never said any of that -- I said they're serious issues. This is actually what's boring -- having to try to convince deluded white people that institutional racism against blacks is more important than an individual minority being prejudiced. It's like freaking out over a papercut when you also have a gaping chest wound.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Not at all. In the US, according to you, black people spend every waking moment thinking about being victims, and it seems that white people spend their time either feeling guilty about black people, or resentful. You certainly seem to obsess about it rather a lot.

Don't you ever get bored with it?

I never said any of that -- I said they're serious issues. This is actually what's boring -- having to try to convince deluded white people that institutional racism against blacks is more important than an individual minority being prejudiced. It's like freaking out over a papercut when you also have a gaping chest wound.

You did pretty much say that - in that stuff you posted.

If you ever do visit the UK, please don't try to bring your daft American ideas here. It's people like you who encourage that silly woman to be racist against white people.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You did pretty much say that - in that stuff you posted.

If you ever do visit the UK, please don't try to bring your daft American ideas here. It's people like you who encourage that silly woman to be racist against white people.

Your lack of perspective confounds me. That silly woman did no lasting harm. White institutional racism against black people is far worse than anything this woman could do short of becoming a mass killer for ISIS.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You did pretty much say that - in that stuff you posted.

If you ever do visit the UK, please don't try to bring your daft American ideas here. It's people like you who encourage that silly woman to be racist against white people.

Your lack of perspective confounds me. That silly woman did no lasting harm. White institutional racism against black people is far worse than anything this woman could do short of becoming a mass killer for ISIS.

Well the police disagree with you, and think that she did do some harm. They think that she was malicious and racist.

Your total lack of common sense confounds me. You think it's fine for a non-white woman to be racist, sexist, and to call for white men to be killed, and yet you'd be screaming the place down if a white person said black men should be killed, or if they banned black men from an event.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well the police disagree with you, and think that she did do some harm. They think that she was malicious and racist.

Your total lack of common sense confounds me. You think it's fine for a non-white woman to be racist, sexist, and to call for white men to be killed, and yet you'd be screaming the place down if a white person said black men should be killed, or if they banned black men from an event.

I don't think that's fine; where did I say that? I think a racist system is way worse than a racist individual. Am I wrong?

You don't ever have to worry about me going to the UK, by the way. I meant what I said about it destroying my soul. A bunch of people whining that their country's being taken over because only 8 out of every 10 of them are pasty-faced whiners? No, you can keep it.

Raggamuffin wrote:What happened to the thread title?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:What happened to the thread title?

I mistyped and somehow managed to change it to "U" -- I put it back as best as I can remember ...

Raggamuffin wrote:There's no such thing as a racist system in the UK anyway. All people are equal under the law.

I think you are defending this woman Ben - merely because she's not white - well according to her she's not.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:There's no such thing as a racist system in the UK anyway. All people are equal under the law.

I think you are defending this woman Ben - merely because she's not white - well according to her she's not.

Pretty sure I've called her an idiot in this very thread ...

victorismyhero wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:What happened to the thread title?

I mistyped and somehow managed to change it to "U" -- I put it back as best as I can remember ...

ahhh...ben is having a "mad cat" day......

old SF members know what I mean........

Ben_Reilly wrote:

victorismyhero wrote:

ahhh...ben is having a "mad cat" day......

old SF members know what I mean........

I promise it was a mistake, if you notice I've changed it back to exactly what it was before (pulled it off an e-mail notification).

So suspicious, I bet you dive under your desk every time a car backfires ...

eddie wrote:Ben, most block people I know, and have known, for twenty plus years, do NOT "fear for their lives" every day.
This is the 21st century?

Despite was you think, in the UK we don't go around with pitchforks looking to kill darkies and their pikney

Why, I even had a lovely chat with one today! How's about that?!

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Ben, most block people I know, and have known, for twenty plus years, do NOT "fear for their lives" every day.
This is the 21st century?

Despite was you think, in the UK we don't go around with pitchforks looking to kill darkies and their pikney

Why, I even had a lovely chat with one today! How's about that?!

It's not an either/or scenario. I'd like to think my black neighbors don't feel threatened when they leave their homes, but I bet they sometimes do -- and the point is that the only reason for it is skin color.

Raggamuffin wrote:I should think a lot of people in the US feel threatened - because of the way so many people there like to wave guns around.