Oregon Family Files Discrimination Lawsuit After Being Removed From United Airlines Flight Over Autistic Daughter

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A Oregon family are filing a discrimination lawsuit after being kicked off a United Airlines plane because the pilot refused to fly with their autistic daughter on board.
After returning home to Portland after a family holiday to DisneyWorld in Orlando on Tuesday, Dr Donna Beegle was escorted off the plane along with her husband and their 15-year-old daughter Juliette and her brother.
Dr Beegle said the family was about an hour into their flight when she noticed a tell-tale sign from her daughter that her behaviour was about to change. She had refused to eat her packed lunch, so the family asked if they could purchase a hot meal from the first-class menu to calm her down.


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All I see here is some very bitter people who seem to think it is a huger crime to come forward when they have been wronged by a company and go to the press with it. I hope they sue and win every penny off this airline who were daft enough to back the pilot, as it was an utter disgrace his actions to treat the family in the way he did.

Seriously what kind of threat can a 16 year old autistic girl, accompanied by her mum have to an aeroplane
what a nasty thing to do, totally out of proportion

korban dallas wrote:Seriously what kind of threat can a 16 year old autistic girl, accompanied  by her mum have to an aeroplane
what a nasty thing to do, totally out of proportion  

I doubt it was done out of nastiness.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:Seriously what kind of threat can a 16 year old autistic girl, accompanied  by her mum have to an aeroplane
what a nasty thing to do, totally out of proportion  

I doubt it was done out of nastiness.

then what ? because "safety" of the aircraft is bullS**t

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I doubt it was done out of nastiness.

then what ? because "safety" of the aircraft is bullS**t

Nobody mentioned the safety of the aircraft, except a passenger.

Do you seriously think that the pilot has something against autistic girls, and had her removed because of that?

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
then what ? because "safety" of the aircraft is bullS**t

Nobody mentioned the safety of the aircraft, except a passenger.

Do you seriously think that the pilot has something against autistic girls, and had her removed because of that?

Pretty sure the captain did, safety and comfort of the passengers and i think he over reacted

the crew made the best decision for the safety and comfort of all of our customers is the quote
and the captain is crew and made the final decision
the captain has final say and is in charge above any other crew

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nobody mentioned the safety of the aircraft, except a passenger.

Do you seriously think that the pilot has something against autistic girls, and had her removed because of that?

Pretty sure the captain did, safety and comfort of the passengers and i think he over reacted

I suppose he didn't actually see what happened, so he has to go on what's reported to him. That's not to say it's the attendant's fault though - he was just doing his job.

I see no need for a court case over this. I think it's probably a misunderstanding of some kind.

korban dallas wrote:the crew made the best decision for the safety and comfort of all of our customers is the quote
and the captain is crew and made the final decision
the captain has final say and is in charge above any other crew

Safety of the passengers, not safety of the aircraft. I think there was a somewhat confusing reference to the possibly of the girl scratching, which may have been taken to mean that she could get violent.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
Pretty sure the captain did, safety and comfort of the passengers and i think he over reacted

I suppose he didn't actually see what happened, so he has to go on what's reported to him. That's not to say it's the attendant's fault though - he was just doing his job.

I see no need for a court case over this. I think it's probably a misunderstanding of some kind.

no she will win and rightly so as the mother said she has flown many places with no problem yet on this flight ...not so much

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I suppose he didn't actually see what happened, so he has to go on what's reported to him. That's not to say it's the attendant's fault though - he was just doing his job.

I see no need for a court case over this. I think it's probably a misunderstanding of some kind.

no she will win and rightly so as the mother said she has flown many places with no problem yet on this flight ...not so much

Well maybe the girl didn't get agitated on any other flights. The mother said it was to do with the girl having to have hot food, and maybe she didn't need any on other flights.

The pilot won't be concerned about what happens on other flights, he would just be concerned about what happens on his own flights.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:the crew made the best decision for the safety and comfort of all of our customers is the quote
and the captain is crew and made the final decision
the captain has final say and is in charge above any other crew

Safety of the passengers, not safety of the aircraft. I think there was a somewhat confusing reference to the possibly of the girl scratching, which may have been taken to mean that she could get violent.

its the same thing .......why would she be violent there is absolutely no evidence of violent behaviour are you saying all autistic people are prone to violent actions ?

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
no she will win and rightly so as the mother said she has flown many places with no problem yet on this flight ...not so much

Well maybe the girl didn't get agitated on any other flights. The mother said it was to do with the girl having to have hot food, and maybe she didn't need any on other flights.

The pilot won't be concerned about what happens on other flights, he would just be concerned about what happens on his own flights.

agitated is not violent
i have flow 4 times in my life i was scared to death and agitated every time
agitated
feeling or appearing troubled or nervous.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Safety of the passengers, not safety of the aircraft. I think there was a somewhat confusing reference to the possibly of the girl scratching, which may have been taken to mean that she could get violent.

its the same thing .......why would she be violent there is absolutely no evidence of violent behaviour are you saying all autistic people are prone to violent actions ?  

It's not the same thing. Scratching a passenger wouldn't cause danger to the aircraft.

I think you're being mischievous Korban - trying to put words into my mouth. The mother herself brought up the scratching issue.

Maybe the pilot didn't know the girl was autistic, just that there was some disruption going on.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well maybe the girl didn't get agitated on any other flights. The mother said it was to do with the girl having to have hot food, and maybe she didn't need any on other flights.

The pilot won't be concerned about what happens on other flights, he would just be concerned about what happens on his own flights.

agitated is not violent
i have flow 4 times in my life i was scared to death and agitated every time
agitated
feeling or appearing troubled or nervous.

Splitting hairs won't help. The girl was not merely "feeling" agitated.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
agitated is not violent
i have flow 4 times in my life i was scared to death and agitated every time
agitated
feeling or appearing troubled or nervous.

Splitting hairs won't help. The girl was not merely "feeling" agitated.

er....explain what else she was doing ? that would warrant this kind of action

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
its the same thing .......why would she be violent there is absolutely no evidence of violent behaviour are you saying all autistic people are prone to violent actions ?  

It's not the same thing. Scratching a passenger wouldn't cause danger to the aircraft.

I think you're being mischievous Korban - trying to put words into my mouth.  The mother herself brought up the scratching issue.

Maybe the pilot didn't know the girl was autistic, just that there was some disruption going on.

she never left her seat a window seat next to her mum i think your splitting hairs with might have`s and could have`s
if i somebody has a drink they might get violent or agitated yet they serve alcohol

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Splitting hairs won't help. The girl was not merely "feeling" agitated.

er....explain what else she was doing ? that would warrant this kind of action

Well this is what the mother said to the attendant.

'Well, how about we wait for her to have a meltdown, and start crying and she tries to scratch, and then you'll want to help her.'"

There's no need to apologise to me for trying to put words in my mouth though.

The mother also said that the girl calmed down after she got hot food, which suggests that she was making a fuss prior to that.

A passenger said the girl was howling.

I guess the pilot didn't want to risk an incident of some kind.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
its the same thing .......why would she be violent there is absolutely no evidence of violent behaviour are you saying all autistic people are prone to violent actions ?  

It's not the same thing. Scratching a passenger wouldn't cause danger to the aircraft.

I think you're being mischievous Korban - trying to put words into my mouth.  The mother herself brought up the scratching issue.

Maybe the pilot didn't know the girl was autistic, just that there was some disruption going on.

yes the scratching issue you mention was scratching her self not others raggs "self harm"

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not the same thing. Scratching a passenger wouldn't cause danger to the aircraft.

I think you're being mischievous Korban - trying to put words into my mouth.  The mother herself brought up the scratching issue.

Maybe the pilot didn't know the girl was autistic, just that there was some disruption going on.

she never left her seat a window seat next to her mum i think your splitting hairs with might have`s and could have`s
if i somebody has a drink they  might get violent or agitated  yet they serve alcohol

Not necessarily - if they think someone's had enough to drink.

In a confined space, like on an aircraft, disruption is taken more seriously I think because people can't get away from it, and they might become agitated and upset themselves.

I don't know exactly what happened as I wasn't there, but the pilot wasn't either - he went on what was reported to him, and he put the safety and comfort of his passengers first. It might have been an over-reaction, but it's not being "nasty" as you claimed.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not the same thing. Scratching a passenger wouldn't cause danger to the aircraft.

I think you're being mischievous Korban - trying to put words into my mouth.  The mother herself brought up the scratching issue.

Maybe the pilot didn't know the girl was autistic, just that there was some disruption going on.

yes  the scratching issue you mention was  scratching her self not others raggs "self harm"

Probably, but the attendant wouldn't know that, and neither would the pilot. Those words are a bit ambiguous, and the implication was that if the girl did not get her own way, they'd be sorry.

This was clearly not a case of discrimination, and I think they'll lose if they claim that. The airline will probably send them some free tickets to make up for it or something.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
er....explain what else she was doing ? that would warrant this kind of action

Well this is what the mother said to the attendant.

'Well, how about we wait for her to have a meltdown, and start crying and she tries to scratch, and then you'll want to help her.'"

There's no need to apologise to me for trying to put words in my mouth though.
i haven't put words in your mouth i am answering your points

The mother also said that the girl calmed down after she got hot food, which suggests that she was making a fuss prior to that.

A passenger said the girl was howling.
so she was howling big deal football fans often sing ,babys cry,small children cry and howl should we stop these people as well
I guess the pilot didn't want to risk an incident of some kind.

and as you said the girl calmed down ,can i ask do you know any autistic people raggs this behaviour is common

Raggamuffin wrote:This was clearly not a case of discrimination, and I think they'll lose if they claim that. The airline will probably send them some free tickets to make up for it or something.

discrimination,overacting,or just plain nastiness it was out of order what ever way label it is given

Raggamuffin wrote:This was clearly not a case of discrimination, and I think they'll lose if they claim that. The airline will probably send them some free tickets to make up for it or something.

well i would wager they (the airline )get vilified and a hefty compensation claim ,they where on there way to Disney land as i understand so will have ruined there holiday and presumably cost them money

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well this is what the mother said to the attendant.



There's no need to apologise to me for trying to put words in my mouth though.
i haven't put words in your mouth i am answering your points

The mother also said that the girl calmed down after she got hot food, which suggests that she was making a fuss prior to that.

A passenger said the girl was howling.
so she was howling big deal football fans often sing ,babys cry,small children cry and howl should we stop these people as well
I guess the pilot didn't want to risk an incident of some kind.

and as you said the girl calmed down ,can i ask do you know any autistic people raggs this behaviour is common

Korban, this is not really about autistic people.

A load of football fans singing loudly on a plane would be considered to be disruptive too.

It was reported that the girl calmed down, and I've already said that it seems like an over-reaction to kick them off the plane. I'm only going on what's reported though - and it's a bit one-sided tbh.

I do not think this was discrimination, I think it was about disruption, and pilots don't like that on planes they're flying. Perhaps he wasn't told that the girl had calmed down, or perhaps he didn't like the way the mother said to the attendant that the girl may well have a meltdown.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:This was clearly not a case of discrimination, and I think they'll lose if they claim that. The airline will probably send them some free tickets to make up for it or something.

well i would wager they (the airline )get vilified and a hefty compensation claim ,they where on there way to Disney land as i understand so will have ruined there holiday and presumably cost them money  

They were on their way home actually, so they lost no money.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
well i would wager they (the airline )get vilified and a hefty compensation claim ,they where on there way to Disney land as i understand so will have ruined there holiday and presumably cost them money  

They were on their way home actually, so they lost no money.

yes that seems to be the case however we don`t know what expenses she had to travel onwards so we can`t say ether way what financial extras where incurred
but i would wager the airline are going to have to pay out we shall see in the fullness of time

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They were on their way home actually, so they lost no money.

yes that seems to be the case however we don`t know what expenses she had to travel onwards so we can`t say ether way what financial extras where incurred
but i would wager the airline are going to have to pay out we shall see in the fullness of time

Maybe - the Americans love the compensation culture - but I still don't think the woman would win with a claim of discrimination.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
and as you said the girl calmed down ,can i ask do you know any autistic people raggs this behaviour is common

Korban, this is not really about autistic people.

A load of football fans singing loudly on a plane would be considered to be disruptive too.

It was reported that the girl calmed down, and I've already said that it seems like an over-reaction to kick them off the plane. I'm only going on what's reported though - and it's a bit one-sided tbh.

I do not think this was discrimination, I think it was about disruption, and pilots don't like that on planes they're flying. Perhaps he wasn't told that the girl had calmed down, or perhaps he didn't like the way the mother said to the attendant that the girl may well have a meltdown.

i agree on that but we shall see even one passenger thought a lawsuit was in the offing and so far only one passenger has backed the airlines ,people are "generally"very tolerant of disabled people especially children

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
yes that seems to be the case however we don`t know what expenses she had to travel onwards so we can`t say ether way what financial extras where incurred
but i would wager the airline are going to have to pay out we shall see in the fullness of time

Maybe - the Americans love the compensation culture -  but I still don't think the woman would win with a claim of discrimination.

yea i can`t deny that
and when you see some of the things that have been sued over and had big payouts in America this i feel is a slam dunk

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Korban, this is not really about autistic people.

A load of football fans singing loudly on a plane would be considered to be disruptive too.

It was reported that the girl calmed down, and I've already said that it seems like an over-reaction to kick them off the plane. I'm only going on what's reported though - and it's a bit one-sided tbh.

I do not think this was discrimination, I think it was about disruption, and pilots don't like that on planes they're flying. Perhaps he wasn't told that the girl had calmed down, or perhaps he didn't like the way the mother said to the attendant that the girl may well have a meltdown.

i agree on that but we shall see even one passenger thought a lawsuit was in the offing and so far only one passenger has backed the airlines ,people are "generally"very tolerant of disabled people especially children

The person filming it said something about a lawsuit, but nobody said he was a lawyer or an expert on lawsuits. The Americans seem to bring lawsuits about everything anyway.

Perhaps we shall hear the other side of it some time soon - or maybe not.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Maybe - the Americans love the compensation culture -  but I still don't think the woman would win with a claim of discrimination.

yea i can`t deny that
and when you see some of the things that have been sued over and had big payouts in America this i feel is a slam dunk

That says more about the compensation culture in the US than anything else. It doesn't mean it's right.

Donna Beegle says she is not suing in order to get money. Apparently, she's some of oracle on poverty, so if she does get some money, no doubt she'll give it to poor people who can't actually afford to go all over the place on planes like she does.

She's also complaining about "ignorance", and yet she admits that when the girl was born she knew nothing about autism. I notice she doesn't call herself "ignorant" though.

Beegle says she had asked to buy a hot meal for her 15-year-old daughter and after some back and forth, the flight attendant eventually complied. But soon after the pilot made an emergency landing in Salt Lake City and Beegle's family was escorted off the plane.

She says she thinks they were asked to leave "because of the fear of autism."

Video shot by a fellow passenger and posted to YouTube showed the incident, and Beegle was shocked when officers explained why they were removed.

"He said, 'Well, the captain doesn't feel comfortable flying to Portland with your daughter on his flight," Beegle told CBS News.

As Juliette and her family were removed from the flight, other passengers seemed surprised.

"This is gonna be a lawsuit," one person can be heard saying on the video.

"Oh, yeah," another responds.

Beegle said she's hired an attorney.

"It's not about the money, it's about the training" people need, she said, and added 1 in 68 children face autism.

She's filing a lawsuit "so no one else has to go through this."


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-woman-suing-after-autistic-daughter-kicked-off-flight/



Yeah she is doing this for attention seeking and all for the right reasons, because this pilot was a twat.

Raggamuffin wrote:Donna Beegle says she is not suing in order to get money. Apparently, she's some of oracle on poverty, so if she does get some money, no doubt she'll give it to poor people who can't actually afford to go all over the place on planes like she does.

She's also complaining about "ignorance", and yet she admits that when the girl was born she knew nothing about autism. I notice she doesn't call herself "ignorant" though.

when my daughter was born with athrogryposis i was ignorant, but you soon learn pretty quickly, and i am no longer ignorant of the system or her rights
but autism is a widely known condition ,and it`s immaterial what she does with any money she may receive regardless if she is an oracle on poverty or not

ps i would do exactly the same in her position and events

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Donna Beegle says she is not suing in order to get money. Apparently, she's some of oracle on poverty, so if she does get some money, no doubt she'll give it to poor people who can't actually afford to go all over the place on planes like she does.

She's also complaining about "ignorance", and yet she admits that when the girl was born she knew nothing about autism. I notice she doesn't call herself "ignorant" though.

when my daughter was born with athrogrposis i was ignorant but you soon learn pretty quickly and i am no longer ignorant of the system or he rights
but autism is a widely known condition ,and it`s immaterial what she does with any money she may receive regardless if she is an oracle on poverty or not    

I think she's using the wrong word though. I know I've said that the word "ignorance" can just mean that someone doesn't know about something, but in common usage it also means that someone is "pig-ignorant" - ie, crass and stupid - and that gets people backs up. If she wants to call the pilot or the attendant ignorant, she should say that she was ignorant too.

The thing is that autism is very variable, is it not? It seems to me that the girl was not obviously "disabled", otherwise Donna Beegle would seek to tell aircraft staff that in advance.

Perhaps she'll turn down any money she's awarded - after all, she says it's not about the money.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
when my daughter was born with athrogrposis i was ignorant but you soon learn pretty quickly and i am no longer ignorant of the system or he rights
but autism is a widely known condition ,and it`s immaterial what she does with any money she may receive regardless if she is an oracle on poverty or not    

I think she's using the wrong word though. I know I've said that the word "ignorance" can just mean that someone doesn't know about something, but in common usage it also means that someone is "pig-ignorant" - ie, crass and stupid - and that gets people backs up. If she wants to call the pilot or the attendant ignorant, she should say that she was ignorant too.

The thing is that autism is very variable, is it not? It seems to me that the girl was not obviously "disabled", otherwise Donna Beegle would seek to tell aircraft staff that in advance.

Perhaps she'll turn down any money she's awarded - after all, she says it's not about the money.

you do have to tell the airlines in advance if they have a disabled passenger for safety reasons and just looking at the available video i could tell she was mentally disabled

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I think she's using the wrong word though. I know I've said that the word "ignorance" can just mean that someone doesn't know about something, but in common usage it also means that someone is "pig-ignorant" - ie, crass and stupid - and that gets people backs up. If she wants to call the pilot or the attendant ignorant, she should say that she was ignorant too.

The thing is that autism is very variable, is it not? It seems to me that the girl was not obviously "disabled", otherwise Donna Beegle would seek to tell aircraft staff that in advance.

Perhaps she'll turn down any money she's awarded - after all, she says it's not about the money.

you do have to tell the airlines in advance if they have a disabled passenger for safety reasons and just looking at the available video i could tell she was mentally disabled

Not enough for her mother to tell staff in advance obviously.

I'm sorry but I'm disliking this woman's tone. I don't like her arrogance, and her assumption that flight crew should know all about every single type of mental health issue or disability going.

If it happens again, she'd do well to ask nicely rather than say that if she doesn't get her own way, her daughter will become disruptive.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
you do have to tell the airlines in advance if they have a disabled passenger for safety reasons and just looking at the available video i could tell she was mentally disabled

Not enough for her mother to tell staff in advance obviously.
as i said you have to tell them in advance and to be honest you have no information to the contrary

I'm sorry but I'm disliking this woman's tone. I don't like her arrogance, and her assumption that flight crew should know all about every single type of mental health issue or disability going.

If it happens again, she'd do well to ask nicely rather than say that if she doesn't get her own way, her daughter will become disruptive.

so its more about the tone of the woman than the events for you ?

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
you do have to tell the airlines in advance if they have a disabled passenger for safety reasons and just looking at the available video i could tell she was mentally disabled

Not enough for her mother to tell staff in advance obviously.

I'm sorry but I'm disliking this woman's tone. I don't like her arrogance, and her assumption that flight crew should know all about every single type of mental health issue or disability going.

If it happens again, she'd do well to ask nicely rather than say that if she doesn't get her own way, her daughter will become disruptive.

What a crock of shit.
You dislike a mother angry at how her daughter has been treated as if the childs action was going to have the need to have the plane land and turf them off?
Bollocks, any mother would rightly be outraged where people are not understanding a child with autism. Nobody is expecting people to be experts, but clearly here ignorance led to the pilot to make an ill informed decision, because of his ignorance of autism.
You have no evidence for your claim about asking nicely, and you are trying to make your argument fit by inventing bullshit. I fail to see how asking to pay for a hot meal is not asking politely.

An Oregon woman claims United Airlines kicked her family off a Portland-bound flight because of her teenage daughter who has autism.

Juliette Beegle, 15, was diagnosed with autism just before she turned three, her mother, Donna Beegle, told ABC News. While her daughter has a high IQ, Beegle said, she has a hard time communicating.

On Tuesday, Beegle said she, her husband, Juliette, and Juliette's brother boarded a layover flight in Houston on their way home to Portland.

The family ate dinner in Houston, Beegle said, but Juliette refused to eat. Beegle brought some snacks on board for her because "if her blood sugar lets go, she gets frustrated and antsy. We try to anticipate that and prevent that."

After boarding, Beegle said she asked the flight attendant if she had any hot meals.

"Juliette refuses room-temp food," Beegle said. "I had no real way to bring hot snacks in my bag."

The attendant told her they had a hot sandwich, but the sandwich arrived cold, Beegle said, and Juliette refused to eat it.

"I could see [Juliette] getting frustrated," Beegle said, adding that she asked the flight attendant to check on meals available for purchase in first class.

"I asked if I can purchase something hot for my daughter and [the first class flight attendant] said no" she said. "I called him back over and I said to him, 'Please, help us out here,'" but he again refused.

"He came back again and I said, 'I have a child with special needs, I need to get her something.' And he said, 'I can't do that,'" she explained. "I said, 'How about we wait for her to have a meltdown, she'll be crying and trying to scratch in frustration. I don't want her to get to that point.'"

The attendant then brought Juliette rice and jambalaya, Beegle said, and "she ate and she was fine."

About 25 minutes later, according to Beegle, an announcement over the loudspeaker said the plane was making an emergency landing because of a passenger with "a behavior issue."

Paramedics came on board and asked what was wrong when they found Juliette happily watching a video, Beegle said.

"The paramedic said this was an over-reactive flight attendant and started shaking his head, and said 'We have real work to do' and left," she said. "We were still baffled."

Police then came to their row, Beegle said.

"They see this little teenager sitting there watching a video and they asked if there was an issue, and I said, 'No.'"

When the officers started to leave, the captain stepped out of the cockpit and said something to them, Beegle said. They then asked her family to leave, she said.

"He said, 'The captain has asked us to ask you to step off the plane.'" Beegle said. "I said, 'She didn't do anything' ... But the captain said he's not comfortable flying on to Portland with [Juliette] on the plane."

"It just killed me for her to be treated that way," she said, adding that the passengers around her agreed that Juliette wasn't disrupting anyone. The police apologized, Beegle said.

"It was awful," she said. "It was completely uncalled for."

Another traveler, Jodi Smith, who was sitting three rows behind Juliette, said she heard the entire conversation with the first-class flight attendant.

"He was being totally ridiculous," Smith said.

"Then the medics came on, then the police ... They went right straight to Dr. Beegle. You could hear them saying their daughter was perceived as a threat," Smith told ABC News. "I stood up and said, 'Absolutely positively not.'

"This was just ridiculous... she was calm, she had done nothing," she said. "I've been on flights where kids have screamed for 4 hours and they've never diverted a flight.

"This was the epitome of discrimination," Smith said. "I have never in all my years of flying seen anything like this."

Beegle said Juliette has traveled often, saying her daughter has been to London, Paris and 22 states.

"We've never experienced anything like that," she said. "It was horrific."

Beegle said she filed complaints with the Federal Aviation Administration and United Airlines and received responses from both, agreeing to investigate. She said she is also planning to file a lawsuit against United.

Beegle said her goal is to encourage autism training for airline workers.

"If they had autism training when I explained to him when I needed something hot, we could have found a workable solution together," she said. "But his whole view was, 'I'm trained to give a first class meal.' He didn't understand at all. He was disrespectful, he was rude."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-claims-daughter-autism-kicked-off-united-airlines/story?id=30926832


So its clear she was in no way rude

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Not enough for her mother to tell staff in advance obviously.
as i said you have to tell them in advance and to be honest you have no information to the contrary

I'm sorry but I'm disliking this woman's tone. I don't like her arrogance, and her assumption that flight crew should know all about every single type of mental health issue or disability going.

If it happens again, she'd do well to ask nicely rather than say that if she doesn't get her own way, her daughter will become disruptive.

so its more about the tone of the woman than the events for you ?

Sort of, yes. Her tone was a bit belligerent, and that could be seen as disruptive also. It's just best not to get arsy with staff, don't you think?

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
so its more about the tone of the woman than the events for you ?

Sort of, yes. Her tone was a bit belligerent, and that could be seen as disruptive also. It's just best not to get arsy with staff, don't you think?

Believable, Korben, please forward the post I did with the parts highlighted, as she has me on ignor so she can see she is talking nonsense

ta

to be fair people who don`t have children with special needs have`nt really got a clue of the challenges and discrimination received on a almost daily basis

i can tell you i would have gone nuclear if that had happened to my daughter ....and have done on more than one occasion

korban dallas wrote:to be fair people who don`t have children with special needs have`nt really got a clue of the challenges and discrimination received on a almost daily basis

i can tell you i would have gone nuclear if that had happened to my daughter ....and have done on more than one occasion

Well that's because you would have been doing it from personal anger. I understand that, but I'm trying to look at both sides.

Nemesis wrote: An Oregon woman claims United Airlines kicked her family off a Portland-bound flight because of her teenage daughter who has autism.

Juliette Beegle, 15, was diagnosed with autism just before she turned three, her mother, Donna Beegle, told ABC News. While her daughter has a high IQ, Beegle said, she has a hard time communicating.

On Tuesday, Beegle said she, her husband, Juliette, and Juliette's brother boarded a layover flight in Houston on their way home to Portland.

The family ate dinner in Houston, Beegle said, but Juliette refused to eat. Beegle brought some snacks on board for her because "if her blood sugar lets go, she gets frustrated and antsy. We try to anticipate that and prevent that."

After boarding, Beegle said she asked the flight attendant if she had any hot meals.

"Juliette refuses room-temp food," Beegle said. "I had no real way to bring hot snacks in my bag."

The attendant told her they had a hot sandwich, but the sandwich arrived cold, Beegle said, and Juliette refused to eat it.

"I could see [Juliette] getting frustrated," Beegle said, adding that she asked the flight attendant to check on meals available for purchase in first class.

"I asked if I can purchase something hot for my daughter and [the first class flight attendant] said no" she said. "I called him back over and I said to him, 'Please, help us out here,'" but he again refused.

"He came back again and I said, 'I have a child with special needs, I need to get her something.' And he said, 'I can't do that,'" she explained. "I said, 'How about we wait for her to have a meltdown, she'll be crying and trying to scratch in frustration. I don't want her to get to that point.'"

The attendant then brought Juliette rice and jambalaya, Beegle said, and "she ate and she was fine."

About 25 minutes later, according to Beegle, an announcement over the loudspeaker said the plane was making an emergency landing because of a passenger with "a behavior issue."

Paramedics came on board and asked what was wrong when they found Juliette happily watching a video, Beegle said.

"The paramedic said this was an over-reactive flight attendant and started shaking his head, and said 'We have real work to do' and left," she said. "We were still baffled."

Police then came to their row, Beegle said.

"They see this little teenager sitting there watching a video and they asked if there was an issue, and I said, 'No.'"

When the officers started to leave, the captain stepped out of the cockpit and said something to them, Beegle said. They then asked her family to leave, she said.

"He said, 'The captain has asked us to ask you to step off the plane.'" Beegle said. "I said, 'She didn't do anything' ... But the captain said he's not comfortable flying on to Portland with [Juliette] on the plane."

"It just killed me for her to be treated that way," she said, adding that the passengers around her agreed that Juliette wasn't disrupting anyone. The police apologized, Beegle said.

"It was awful," she said. "It was completely uncalled for."

Another traveler, Jodi Smith, who was sitting three rows behind Juliette, said she heard the entire conversation with the first-class flight attendant.

"He was being totally ridiculous," Smith said.

"Then the medics came on, then the police ... They went right straight to Dr. Beegle. You could hear them saying their daughter was perceived as a threat," Smith told ABC News. "I stood up and said, 'Absolutely positively not.'

"This was just ridiculous... she was calm, she had done nothing," she said. "I've been on flights where kids have screamed for 4 hours and they've never diverted a flight.

"This was the epitome of discrimination," Smith said. "I have never in all my years of flying seen anything like this."

Beegle said Juliette has traveled often, saying her daughter has been to London, Paris and 22 states.

"We've never experienced anything like that," she said. "It was horrific."

Beegle said she filed complaints with the Federal Aviation Administration and United Airlines and received responses from both, agreeing to investigate. She said she is also planning to file a lawsuit against United.

Beegle said her goal is to encourage autism training for airline workers.

"If they had autism training when I explained to him when I needed something hot, we could have found a workable solution together," she said. "But his whole view was, 'I'm trained to give a first class meal.' He didn't understand at all. He was disrespectful, he was rude."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-claims-daughter-autism-kicked-off-united-airlines/story?id=30926832


So its clear she was in no way rude

she was more polite than i would have been i can tell you that

korban dallas wrote:

Nemesis wrote: An Oregon woman claims United Airlines kicked her family off a Portland-bound flight because of her teenage daughter who has autism.

Juliette Beegle, 15, was diagnosed with autism just before she turned three, her mother, Donna Beegle, told ABC News. While her daughter has a high IQ, Beegle said, she has a hard time communicating.

On Tuesday, Beegle said she, her husband, Juliette, and Juliette's brother boarded a layover flight in Houston on their way home to Portland.

The family ate dinner in Houston, Beegle said, but Juliette refused to eat. Beegle brought some snacks on board for her because "if her blood sugar lets go, she gets frustrated and antsy. We try to anticipate that and prevent that."

After boarding, Beegle said she asked the flight attendant if she had any hot meals.

"Juliette refuses room-temp food," Beegle said. "I had no real way to bring hot snacks in my bag."

The attendant told her they had a hot sandwich, but the sandwich arrived cold, Beegle said, and Juliette refused to eat it.

"I could see [Juliette] getting frustrated," Beegle said, adding that she asked the flight attendant to check on meals available for purchase in first class.

"I asked if I can purchase something hot for my daughter and [the first class flight attendant] said no" she said. "I called him back over and I said to him, 'Please, help us out here,'" but he again refused.

"He came back again and I said, 'I have a child with special needs, I need to get her something.' And he said, 'I can't do that,'" she explained. "I said, 'How about we wait for her to have a meltdown, she'll be crying and trying to scratch in frustration. I don't want her to get to that point.'"

The attendant then brought Juliette rice and jambalaya, Beegle said, and "she ate and she was fine."

About 25 minutes later, according to Beegle, an announcement over the loudspeaker said the plane was making an emergency landing because of a passenger with "a behavior issue."

Paramedics came on board and asked what was wrong when they found Juliette happily watching a video, Beegle said.

"The paramedic said this was an over-reactive flight attendant and started shaking his head, and said 'We have real work to do' and left," she said. "We were still baffled."

Police then came to their row, Beegle said.

"They see this little teenager sitting there watching a video and they asked if there was an issue, and I said, 'No.'"

When the officers started to leave, the captain stepped out of the cockpit and said something to them, Beegle said. They then asked her family to leave, she said.

"He said, 'The captain has asked us to ask you to step off the plane.'" Beegle said. "I said, 'She didn't do anything' ... But the captain said he's not comfortable flying on to Portland with [Juliette] on the plane."

"It just killed me for her to be treated that way," she said, adding that the passengers around her agreed that Juliette wasn't disrupting anyone. The police apologized, Beegle said.

"It was awful," she said. "It was completely uncalled for."

Another traveler, Jodi Smith, who was sitting three rows behind Juliette, said she heard the entire conversation with the first-class flight attendant.

"He was being totally ridiculous," Smith said.

"Then the medics came on, then the police ... They went right straight to Dr. Beegle. You could hear them saying their daughter was perceived as a threat," Smith told ABC News. "I stood up and said, 'Absolutely positively not.'

"This was just ridiculous... she was calm, she had done nothing," she said. "I've been on flights where kids have screamed for 4 hours and they've never diverted a flight.

"This was the epitome of discrimination," Smith said. "I have never in all my years of flying seen anything like this."

Beegle said Juliette has traveled often, saying her daughter has been to London, Paris and 22 states.

"We've never experienced anything like that," she said. "It was horrific."

Beegle said she filed complaints with the Federal Aviation Administration and United Airlines and received responses from both, agreeing to investigate. She said she is also planning to file a lawsuit against United.

Beegle said her goal is to encourage autism training for airline workers.

"If they had autism training when I explained to him when I needed something hot, we could have found a workable solution together," she said. "But his whole view was, 'I'm trained to give a first class meal.' He didn't understand at all. He was disrespectful, he was rude."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-claims-daughter-autism-kicked-off-united-airlines/story?id=30926832


So its clear she was in no way rude

she was more polite than i would have been i can tell you that

Exactly, all these claims of being rude as just poor excuses from Rags

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:to be fair people who don`t have children with special needs have`nt really got a clue of the challenges and discrimination received on a almost daily basis

i can tell you i would have gone nuclear if that had happened to my daughter ....and have done on more than one occasion

Well that's because you would have been doing it from personal anger. I understand that, but I'm trying to look at both sides.

yea that`s correct i don`t take that sort of thing lightly

Nemesis wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
she was more polite than i would have been i can tell you that

Exactly, all these claims of being rude as just poor excuses from Rags

As i said people who don`t have children with special needs have`nt really got a clue of the challenges and discrimination received on a almost daily basis