Oregon Family Files Discrimination Lawsuit After Being Removed From United Airlines Flight Over Autistic Daughter

by Guest Mon May 11, 2015 5:47 am

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A Oregon family are filing a discrimination lawsuit after being kicked off a United Airlines plane because the pilot refused to fly with their autistic daughter on board.
After returning home to Portland after a family holiday to DisneyWorld in Orlando on Tuesday, Dr Donna Beegle was escorted off the plane along with her husband and their 15-year-old daughter Juliette and her brother.
Dr Beegle said the family was about an hour into their flight when she noticed a tell-tale sign from her daughter that her behaviour was about to change. She had refused to eat her packed lunch, so the family asked if they could purchase a hot meal from the first-class menu to calm her down.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/10/autistic-united-airlines_n_7251888.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 9:19 am

From a practical point of view, I assume that pilots can come out and talk to passengers? I don't fly much myself tbh.

Anyway, so the best thing would have been for the pilot to have come and talked to the lady and seen for himself that the girl had calmed down.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 9:20 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well that's because you would have been doing it from personal anger. I understand that, but I'm trying to look at both sides.
yea that`s correct i don`t take that sort of thing lightly

Fine, but that's because you have a personal interest. The pilot had an interest in not having disruption on the flight. I'm not saying that they should have been removed - I've said that several times, but all this slating of the crew is getting on my nerves a bit. The woman does sound a bit up herself tbh.

If you yelled at me and got angry because your child is disabled, I wouldn't put up with that actually.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 9:24 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
so its more about the tone of the woman than the events for you ?

Sort of, yes. Her tone was a bit belligerent, and that could be seen as disruptive also. It's just best not to get arsy with staff, don't you think?

No raggs i don`t think sometimes being "arsy " is the only way things get done or fixed
i have been polite i have been conciliatory but in the end got nowhere and out comes the demon and low and behold things get done unfortunate but true

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 9:26 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Sort of, yes. Her tone was a bit belligerent, and that could be seen as disruptive also. It's just best not to get arsy with staff, don't you think?
No raggs i don`t think sometimes being "arsy " is the only way things get done or fixed
i have been polite i have been conciliatory but in the end got nowhere and out comes the demon and low and behold things get done unfortunate but true

Oh really? Being arsy might get you your own way sometimes - generally because staff just want to get rid of you. However, you will get a far better result by being nice.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 9:28 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
yea that`s correct i don`t take that sort of thing lightly

Fine, but that's because you have a personal interest. The pilot had an interest in not having disruption on the flight. I'm not saying that they should have been removed - I've said that several times, but all this slating of the crew is getting on my nerves a bit. The woman does sound a bit up herself tbh.

If you yelled at me and got angry because your child is disabled, I wouldn't put up with that actually.

and that`s the kind of attitude prevalent against the disabled

god forbid you have to walk a mile in there shoes your perspective would change pretty quickly
and i dont` yell because my child is disabled and nether did she

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 9:31 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Fine, but that's because you have a personal interest. The pilot had an interest in not having disruption on the flight. I'm not saying that they should have been removed - I've said that several times, but all this slating of the crew is getting on my nerves a bit. The woman does sound a bit up herself tbh.

If you yelled at me and got angry because your child is disabled, I wouldn't put up with that actually.
and that`s the kind of attitude prevalent against the disabled

god forbid you have to walk a mile in there shoes your perspective would change pretty quickly
and i dont` yell because my child is disabled and nether did she

What attitude?

I'm not saying she yelled - you said that you would angry, and I replied. If you yelled at me to get your own way, you would be in the wrong, and I would not put up with it. That goes for anyone - no exceptions.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 9:33 am

being unsure of american travel policies but would the parents have to declare the extra medical needs etc of their child prior to buying tickets or boarding.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 9:34 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
No raggs i don`t think sometimes being "arsy " is the only way things get done or fixed
i have been polite i have been conciliatory but in the end got nowhere and out comes the demon and low and behold things get done unfortunate but true

Oh really? Being arsy might get you your own way sometimes - generally because staff just want to get rid of you. However, you will get a far better result by being nice.

no it gets my way most of the time when i have to go there, it helps that i am well educated and can argue my case but when nice fails as i all ways try to be that`s all that`s left and if they want to get rid of me and concede then i have won
as i had to do yesterday with BT
crap service 3 months in to the contract they said i had to pay £200 quid for the rest of the contract .....Oh you think so
i won they lost i won and even got 60 quid compensation

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 9:37 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh really? Being arsy might get you your own way sometimes - generally because staff just want to get rid of you. However, you will get a far better result by being nice.
no it gets my way most of the time when i have to go there, it helps that i am well educated and can argue my case but when nice fails as i all ways try to be that`s all that`s left and if they want to get rid of me and concede then i have won
as i had to do yesterday with BT
crap service 3 months in to the contract they said i had to pay £200 quid for the rest of the contract .....Oh you think so
i won they lost i won and even got 60 quid compensation

A lot of people get abusive because they think the staff will give in to get rid of them. That does sometimes work, but other times they might put their foot down - it's a bit of a gamble really.

Being firm and stating your case is not the same thing. Being abusive and yelling at staff may well get you chucked out of a place if you're not careful, regardless of who's right and who's wrong.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 9:42 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:being unsure of american travel policies but would the parents have to declare the extra medical needs etc of their child prior to buying tickets or boarding.

I don't know. It doesn't seem that she had medical needs as such - she's just a picky eater - won't eat anything that isn't hot apparently.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 9:45 am

The family ate dinner in Houston, Beegle said, but Juliette refused to eat. Beegle brought some snacks on board for her because "if her blood sugar lets go, she gets frustrated and antsy. We try to anticipate that and prevent that."

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 9:48 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
no it gets my way most of the time when i have to go there, it helps that i am well educated and can argue my case but when nice fails as i all ways try to be that`s all that`s left and if they want to get rid of me and concede then i have won
as i had to do yesterday with BT
crap service 3 months in to the contract they said i had to pay £200 quid for the rest of the contract .....Oh you think so
i won they lost i won and even got 60 quid compensation

A lot of people get abusive because they think the staff will give in to get rid of them. That does sometimes work, but other times they might put their foot down - it's a bit of a gamble really.

Being firm and stating your case is not the same thing. Being abusive and yelling at staff may well get you chucked out of a place if you're not careful, regardless of who's right and who's wrong.

i am never ever abusive raggs that is ultimatly self defeating and i don`t yell although i have a naturally loud voice that tends to go up a but when aggravated but i never yell
and they can try and put there foot down it really doesn`t work against me
i just go higher up the chain of command

it would be true to say
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find him ....maybe you can hire korban dallas
i win more than i loose

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 9:50 am

Nemesis wrote:The family ate dinner in Houston, Beegle said, but Juliette refused to eat. Beegle brought some snacks on board for her because "if her blood sugar lets go, she gets frustrated and antsy. We try to anticipate that and prevent that."

exactly a simple thing a bit of consideration and this would never had happened so i yes do blame the crew

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 9:51 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:being unsure of american travel policies but would the parents have to declare the extra medical needs etc of their child prior to buying tickets or boarding.

Yes Hf they do, Not just America over hear as well

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 9:55 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:being unsure of american travel policies but would the parents have to declare the extra medical needs etc of their child prior to buying tickets or boarding.

I don't know. It doesn't seem that she had medical needs as such - she's just a picky eater - won't eat anything that isn't hot apparently.

she`s autistic of course she has medical needs ??
jeeze girl i am fond of you, but honestly you have no idea ,i have experienced the same sort of thing with just a bus driver he was in the wrong as well as where this crew

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:00 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

A lot of people get abusive because they think the staff will give in to get rid of them. That does sometimes work, but other times they might put their foot down - it's a bit of a gamble really.

Being firm and stating your case is not the same thing. Being abusive and yelling at staff may well get you chucked out of a place if you're not careful, regardless of who's right and who's wrong.

i am never ever abusive raggs that is ultimatly self defeating and i don`t yell although i have a naturally loud voice that tends to go up a but when aggravated but i never yell
and they can try and put there foot down it really doesn`t work against me
i just go higher up the chain of command

it would be true to say
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find him ....maybe you can hire korban dallas
i win more than i loose

Look, I know we're speaking generally now, but I really dislike your kind of attitude - shout at someone, and if they don't like it, you'll go further up. Staff are people, like you, so quit your posturing.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:02 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't know. It doesn't seem that she had medical needs as such - she's just a picky eater - won't eat anything that isn't hot apparently.
she`s autistic of course she has medical needs ??
jeeze girl i am fond of you, but honestly you have no idea ,i have experienced the same sort of thing with just a bus driver he was in the wrong as well as where this crew

Oh FFS, the girl's mother said herself that the issue was that the girl wouldn't eat food which wasn't hot. She also said it hadn't been an issue on other flights - presumably because the girl didn't need to eat anything. That's not an ongoing medical need. If she had an ongoing medical need, her mother would have informed the staff before she got on the friggin plane.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:02 am

korban dallas wrote:
heavenlyfatheragain wrote:being unsure of american travel policies but would the parents have to declare the extra medical needs etc of their child prior to buying tickets or boarding.
Yes Hf they do, Not just America over hear as well

So why didn't they do that?

FFS, make up your mind.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:06 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
Yes Hf they do, Not just America over hear as well

So why didn't they do that?

FFS, make up your mind.

your assuming they didn`t you don`t know
i know they would have had to because of health and safety same reason my daughter has to

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:07 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
Yes Hf they do, Not just America over hear as well

So why didn't they do that?

FFS, make up your mind.

Er.... i have said this to you before raggs and my mind hasn`t changed ??

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:08 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So why didn't they do that?

FFS, make up your mind.
your assuming they didn`t you don`t know
i know they would have had to because of health and safety same reason my daughter has to

Oh I think Donna Beegle would have mentioned it, don't you? She's talked at great length about the whole thing.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:09 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So why didn't they do that?

FFS, make up your mind.
Er.... i have said this to you before raggs and my mind hasn`t changed ??

What I mean is that one minute you're saying that the girl must have medical needs, and now you appear to be implying that she didn't have enough medical needs for her mother to inform the airline.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:09 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
your assuming they didn`t you don`t know
i know they would have had to because of health and safety same reason my daughter has to

Oh I think Donna Beegle would have mentioned it, don't you? She's talked at great length about the whole thing.

perhaps you should take the time to read this before you go down this path further raggs
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/airport-and-airline-services-for-travellers-with-disabilities

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:10 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh I think Donna Beegle would have mentioned it, don't you? She's talked at great length about the whole thing.
perhaps you should take the time to read this before you go down this path further raggs
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/airport-and-airline-services-for-travellers-with-disabilities

I'm not disputing what's been said about that.

Can you find a link to show that Donna Beegle told the airline in advance that her daughter was disabled and needed special treatment?

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:12 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
perhaps you should take the time to read this before you go down this path further raggs
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/airport-and-airline-services-for-travellers-with-disabilities

I'm not disputing what's been said about that.

Can you find a link to show that Donna Beegle told the airline in advance that her daughter was disabled and needed special treatment?

can you provide a link to say she did not ?......that would be no you can`t

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:14 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
Er.... i have said this to you before raggs and my mind hasn`t changed ??

What I mean is that one minute you're saying that the girl must have medical needs, and now you appear to be implying that she didn't have enough medical needs for her mother to inform the airline.

thats Not what i said at all raggs

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:18 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

What I mean is that one minute you're saying that the girl must have medical needs, and now you appear to be implying that she didn't have enough medical needs for her mother to inform the airline.
thats Not what i said at all raggs

Well do you think that Donna Beegle did inform the airline then? If she didn't, then clearly she didn't consider that the girl was disabled enough to do so.

That link is about European airlines by the way.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:20 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not disputing what's been said about that.

Can you find a link to show that Donna Beegle told the airline in advance that her daughter was disabled and needed special treatment?
can you provide a link to say she did not ?......that would be no you can`t

Like I said, she would have mentioned it. She's been talking about the incident on her Facebook page, and nowhere does she say that she informed the airline. Now perhaps I missed something, so feel free to look for yourself.

I would say that if she did, she would have checked out the scenario re hot food, knowing that her daughter was a picky eater, and clearly she didn't do that.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:20 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/travel/testing-autism-and-air-travel.html?_r=0

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:22 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
thats Not what i said at all raggs

Well do you think that Donna Beegle did inform the airline then? If she didn't, then clearly she didn't consider that the girl was disabled enough to do so.

That link is about European airlines by the way.

its the same for all airlines
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/specialneeds/disabilities/default.aspx

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:23 am

Nemesis wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/travel/testing-autism-and-air-travel.html?_r=0

this as well rags i believe you have him on ignore

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:24 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
can you provide a link to say she did not ?......that would be no you can`t

Like I said, she would have mentioned it. She's been talking about the incident on her Facebook page, and nowhere does she say that she informed the airline. Now perhaps I missed something, so feel free to look for yourself.

I would say that if she did, she would have checked out the scenario re hot food, knowing that her daughter was a picky eater, and clearly she didn't do that.

there is nothing clear about this and if you on her face book page ...ask her

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:26 am

If they did specify the medical needs of the child and they were still sold tickets I would imagine the airline will be in some trouble regarding the law suit, I am not sure if it could or would fall under extra rules regarding difficult or dangerous passengers during flights.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:27 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well do you think that Donna Beegle did inform the airline then? If she didn't, then clearly she didn't consider that the girl was disabled enough to do so.

That link is about European airlines by the way.
its the same for all airlines
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/specialneeds/disabilities/default.aspx

Thank you. It doesn't say people have to inform them, it just advises them to do so. That particular airline requires certain periods of notice for certain situations re wheelchairs, etc, and also for special meals. I would say that a requirement for a hot meal would require that notice if they were not in first class.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:27 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Like I said, she would have mentioned it. She's been talking about the incident on her Facebook page, and nowhere does she say that she informed the airline. Now perhaps I missed something, so feel free to look for yourself.

I would say that if she did, she would have checked out the scenario re hot food, knowing that her daughter was a picky eater, and clearly she didn't do that.
there is nothing clear about this and if you on her face book page ...ask her

I'm not on Facebook - her account is public. I don't need to ask her - you're the one insisting that she might have informed the airline, not me. I don't think she did.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:29 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
there is nothing clear about this and if you on her face book page ...ask her

I'm not on Facebook - her account is public. I don't need to ask her - you're the one insisting that she might have informed the airline, not me. I don't think she did.

Then create one and ask her, you are the one making the claim, that means the onus is on you to find out, Korben does not have to.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:29 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
its the same for all airlines
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/specialneeds/disabilities/default.aspx

Thank you. It doesn't say people have to inform them, it just advises them to do so. That particular airline requires certain periods of notice for certain situations re wheelchairs, etc, and also for special meals. I would say that a requirement for a hot meal would require that notice if they were not in first class.

in the end its pointless arguing over what was and wasn`t done by ether party we can only guess given available facts but the facts will come out that much is certain

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:32 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Thank you. It doesn't say people have to inform them, it just advises them to do so. That particular airline requires certain periods of notice for certain situations re wheelchairs, etc, and also for special meals. I would say that a requirement for a hot meal would require that notice if they were not in first class.
in the end its pointless arguing over what was and wasn`t done by ether party we can only guess given available facts but the facts will come out that much is certain

Yes, I agree with that, which is why it would be good to hear the other side of the story.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:34 am

korban dallas wrote:
Nemesis wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/travel/testing-autism-and-air-travel.html?_r=0

this as well rags i believe you have him on ignore

Yes, I have. That's because the man has no manners and cannot post to me without being pig-ignorant. If he wants me to read his posts he can learn some manners.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:34 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
there is nothing clear about this and if you on her face book page ...ask her

I'm not on Facebook - her account is public. I don't need to ask her - you're the one insisting that she might have informed the airline, not me. I don't think she did.

unfortunately if i did that my personal identity would be public knowledge and accessible to people i would rather not have that face book is the first place people look for that kind of personal information and mine is in nowhere linked to my forum id`s

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:36 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not on Facebook - her account is public. I don't need to ask her - you're the one insisting that she might have informed the airline, not me. I don't think she did.
unfortunately if i did that my personal identity would be public knowledge and accessible to people i would rather not have that face book is the first place people look for that kind of personal information and mine is in nowhere linked to my forum id`s

I'm not suggesting you actually ask her. You can read her Facebook account of what happened if you want to though, and her thoughts about it all.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:38 am

Wrong thread! Embarassed

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:39 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:

this as well rags i believe you have him on ignore

Yes, I have. That's because the man has no manners and cannot post to me without being pig-ignorant. If he wants me to read his posts he can learn some manners.

i understand

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:40 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:

this as well rags i believe you have him on ignore

Yes, I have. That's because the man has no manners and cannot post to me without being pig-ignorant. If he wants me to read his posts he can learn some manners.

Pot kettle black indeed
It works both ways and you are no angel

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:41 am

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by Raggamuffin Tue May 12, 2015 10:42 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It's not like anyone can do much, except send money or whatever. There's nobody to lobby to try to stop earthquakes! I hate the idea of them.
depends on you point of view i guess because "technically" "there is "someone" who could

I meant to post that in the earthquake thread - I've deleted it in this thread now.

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:42 am

Nemesis wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, I have. That's because the man has no manners and cannot post to me without being pig-ignorant. If he wants me to read his posts he can learn some manners.

Pot kettle black indeed
It works both ways and you are no angel

well it took us talking on the phone to put it to rest ............just a thought Laughing

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:45 am

korban dallas wrote:
Nemesis wrote:

Pot kettle black indeed
It works both ways and you are no angel
well it took us talking on the phone to put it to rest ............just a thought

Indeed Korben, I do not claim to be an angel and Rags has done just as bad in what she says to me, so not concerned either way, but thank you.

Laughing

by Guest Tue May 12, 2015 10:51 am

Nemesis wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
well it took us talking on the phone to put it to rest ............just a thought

Indeed Korben, I do not claim to be an angel and Rags has done just as bad in what she says to me, so not concerned either way, but thank you.

None of us are angels and tempers can get stretched to the point of breaking but i have all ways tried to be a peacemaker when i can, i feel there is enough crap in the world all ready without adding to it but its hard to when writing posts but on the phone its something i do ex-sell at Suspect

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