United Airlines Passenger Pulled Screaming From His Seat Because Flight Was Overbooked
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United Airlines Passenger Pulled Screaming From His Seat Because Flight Was Overbooked
A man has been filmed being pulled screaming from his plane seat because the airline overbooked the flight and needed to get people off. The footage shows the man being yanked from his United Airlines seat by three men before being dragged down the aisle as other passengers scream in protest.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/united-airlines-video_uk_58eb98e3e4b058f0a030fedc?utm_hp_ref=uk
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Thorin wrote:A man has been filmed being pulled screaming from his plane seat because the airline overbooked the flight and needed to get people off. The footage shows the man being yanked from his United Airlines seat by three men before being dragged down the aisle as other passengers scream in protest.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/united-airlines-video_uk_58eb98e3e4b058f0a030fedc?utm_hp_ref=uk
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That's disgusting I hope the man sues the arse off them.
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Syl wrote:Thorin wrote:A man has been filmed being pulled screaming from his plane seat because the airline overbooked the flight and needed to get people off. The footage shows the man being yanked from his United Airlines seat by three men before being dragged down the aisle as other passengers scream in protest.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/united-airlines-video_uk_58eb98e3e4b058f0a030fedc?utm_hp_ref=uk
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That's disgusting I hope the man sues the arse off them.
The way he was treated was appalling Syl.
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That's awful - the chap was very distressed. It's not his fault they overbooked the flight.
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Thorin wrote:Syl wrote:
That's disgusting I hope the man sues the arse off them.
The way he was treated was appalling Syl.
It was horrible, hard to watch.
He looked stunned and battered, I'm not sure what happened to him, it was hard to see. Did he bang his face as they were yanking him out of the seat or was he hit whilst still seated...the blood came from somewhere.
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Syl wrote:Thorin wrote:
The way he was treated was appalling Syl.
It was horrible, hard to watch.
He looked stunned and battered, I'm not sure what happened to him, it was hard to see. Did he bang his face as they were yanking him out of the seat or was he hit whilst still seated...the blood came from somewhere.
Not sure, but the first video looks like he might have hit his face, when they threw him to to the floor, though am unsure.
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Bastards.
I read recently that most major airlines overbook flights....not sure how this works, but if that's the case I'm surprised not more people are forced to leave flights even when they have a valid ticket.
I read recently that most major airlines overbook flights....not sure how this works, but if that's the case I'm surprised not more people are forced to leave flights even when they have a valid ticket.
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Yep...and its legal.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-67221/Scandal-overbooked-holiday-flights.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-67221/Scandal-overbooked-holiday-flights.html
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He is a doctor too, and has commitments to his patients where he is going.
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Does anyone know if any passenger stood to his defence?
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Must be a good chance for suing the airline on several grounds there ???
Could be worth a motza if he has a good lawyer..
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Must be a good chance for suing the airline on several grounds there ???
Could be worth a motza if he has a good lawyer..
Airline is probably not liable. All tickets say that a passenger may be removed if the flight is overbooked. The fact that the "overbooking" was the result of four United employees who wanted to go for a ride, is a bit indefensible.
The officials who did this were Chicago Aviation police. The airlines will probably lose millions as a result of its insensitivity, however. United Airlines CEO Oscar Munoz wrote in a letter to employees:
Oscar Munoz, registered asshole, CEO of United Airlines wrote:Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.
As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.
What an asshole. May his first-born son have an itchy anus for the rest of his life. The guy deserves to get canned, all benefits withheld because of conduct detrimental to the company.
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Re: United Airlines Passenger Pulled Screaming From His Seat Because Flight Was Overbooked
United Airlines continues to face a wave of criticism after footage emerged of a passenger being violently dragged from the plane because his flight was overbooked.
Passengers on the flight were offered $800 to fly the next day, but enough volunteers were not found, meaning United used a random computer selection to choose who would be bumped from the flight.
The passenger, who has not been named, said he was a doctor who had to be with patients the next day but was pulled from his seat and dragged away with a bloodied lip. At one point he managed to run back on board the plane with his face covered in blood, saying “just kill me” and “I need to go home”, according to witnesses.
According to date from the United States Department of Transportation, 552,000 passengers were denied boarding by major US carriers in 2015.
Of these, 46,000 were “involuntarily” denied boarding, but there are a number of things passengers are entitled to if they are not able to fly both in the UK and America.
In an extraordinary email to employees, CEO has defended the decision to remove a paying customer, saying its staff were “left with no choice”, but United may have been able to avoid all of this by making passengers aware of the law.
So what can you get if you’re bumped?
Consumer rights group Which? explains that it depends from airline to airline precisely what they may receive in return.
However there are certain things you are entitled to.
A refund - you can get your money back for the flight.
Or a reroute - you can be booked onto another flight.
If you volunteer...
There are no set rules as to what benefits you could reap under EU rules but they may include...
Money - It could pay to volunteer to be bumped.
The Civil Aviation Authority explains: “If you volunteer to be bumped, it’s up to you and your airline to agree compensation. Often, airlines will make an announcement at the gate offering compensation, which might be cash or vouchers.”
So if you back your bargaining skills, get negotiating.
However, even if you get involuntarily bumped, you could be due cash compensation anyway, so it’s a gamble.
A seat upgrade - if you agree to travel on another flight, you may be able to agree to be bumped up a class or two. If you’ve always fancied a first class flight for your long-haul trip but can’t afford it, this is your chance to get out of cattle class.
A flight voucher - you can make another trip with the airline of your choosing. This is likely to be for a specified value so you could put it towards another holiday or perhaps an internal flight once you reach your destination on a long-haul trip.
Meal vouchers - if you do fly at a different time, you may be able to negotiate a free or upgraded meal on board. You may also be able to use this in the departure lounge, so you can bypass Burger King and fill up on something a little more gourmet before take-off.
Airline perks - it may be possible to strike a bargain that allows access to perks such as access to an airline’s members’ lounge. This is dependent on what the airline has to offer but lounges often offer benefits such as free food and drink, a selection of reading material and even massages.
Accommodation - if you’re not able to fly until the following day because you have volunteered yourself to be bumped, you may be able to get the airline to pay for a hotel room. If you’re flexible on your timings, this could be a good chance to extend your holiday by a day.
If you don’t volunteer...
An airline has the right to deny the right to board you are entitled to the same things as you would be if your flight was cancelled.
A refund - you are entitled to ask for your money back.
Or a reroute - you can ask to be booked on to the next available flight.
Compensation - aside from a few exemptions, you are likely to be entitled to compensation.
€250 (£200) for flights under 1500 kilometres (932 miles - short haul).
€400 (£340) for all longer flights within EU, and for all other flights between 1500 kilometres (932 miles) and 3500 kilometres (2175 miles - medium haul).
€600 (£510) for all other flights (long haul).
As mentioned above, this could be a better or worse deal than if you negotiate a cash payout to volunteer to be bumped, so it depends on your bargaining skills and the airline’s generosity.
The only exemptions are if...
you are told of the cancellation at least two weeks before departure, or
you are told of the cancellation between one and two weeks before departure, and rerouting your flight will get you to your final destination no more than four hours late,
rerouting will get you to your destination no more than two hours late.
The only difference between being bumped and if your flight is cancelled is that you can be paid compensation immediately if you are denied boarding.
Where applicable you are also entitled to...
-Suitable meals and refreshments
-Hotel accommodation
-Transport transfers to and from the hotel
-Two free telephone calls, faxes or emails
If you’re in America...
US federal regulations require airlines to pay cash to people they bump from flights against their wishes.
If bumping a passenger from a domestic flight delays that passenger by more than two hours, the airline has to pay the passenger 400 percent of the fare to the passenger’s destination or first stopover, up to a maximum of $1,350.
Here’s the relevant section of the US Code of Federal Regulations:
Multiple investigations, however, have found that airlines rarely pay passengers the full amount to which they’re entitled. Airlines are also supposed to tell passengers at risk of being bumped from overbooked flights how much money they will get if they’re involuntarily bumped, but it’s not clear how often they do that.
In this case, United offered passengers $800, but didn’t get enough volunteers.
One reason might be that some of the passengers on the flight in question ― a Sunday evening nonstop from Chicago to Louisville, Kentucky ― were probably entitled to more than that.
A one-way ticket from Chicago to Louisville on United next Sunday would run you about $221 ― meaning that, if bumped and delayed more than two hours, you’d be entitled to $884.
Some passengers likely paid even more to be on the flight, and would be entitled to more compensation. And surely the cost to United of offering passengers more money ― even the full $1,350 ― would have been far less than the negative PR from this episode. The logical thing to do would’ve been to offer more.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/what-am-i-entitled-to-if-im-bumped-from-a-flight-your-questions-answered_uk_58ecafcae4b0ca64d918fc80?utm_hp_ref=uk
Passengers on the flight were offered $800 to fly the next day, but enough volunteers were not found, meaning United used a random computer selection to choose who would be bumped from the flight.
The passenger, who has not been named, said he was a doctor who had to be with patients the next day but was pulled from his seat and dragged away with a bloodied lip. At one point he managed to run back on board the plane with his face covered in blood, saying “just kill me” and “I need to go home”, according to witnesses.
According to date from the United States Department of Transportation, 552,000 passengers were denied boarding by major US carriers in 2015.
Of these, 46,000 were “involuntarily” denied boarding, but there are a number of things passengers are entitled to if they are not able to fly both in the UK and America.
In an extraordinary email to employees, CEO has defended the decision to remove a paying customer, saying its staff were “left with no choice”, but United may have been able to avoid all of this by making passengers aware of the law.
So what can you get if you’re bumped?
Consumer rights group Which? explains that it depends from airline to airline precisely what they may receive in return.
However there are certain things you are entitled to.
A refund - you can get your money back for the flight.
Or a reroute - you can be booked onto another flight.
If you volunteer...
There are no set rules as to what benefits you could reap under EU rules but they may include...
Money - It could pay to volunteer to be bumped.
The Civil Aviation Authority explains: “If you volunteer to be bumped, it’s up to you and your airline to agree compensation. Often, airlines will make an announcement at the gate offering compensation, which might be cash or vouchers.”
So if you back your bargaining skills, get negotiating.
However, even if you get involuntarily bumped, you could be due cash compensation anyway, so it’s a gamble.
A seat upgrade - if you agree to travel on another flight, you may be able to agree to be bumped up a class or two. If you’ve always fancied a first class flight for your long-haul trip but can’t afford it, this is your chance to get out of cattle class.
A flight voucher - you can make another trip with the airline of your choosing. This is likely to be for a specified value so you could put it towards another holiday or perhaps an internal flight once you reach your destination on a long-haul trip.
Meal vouchers - if you do fly at a different time, you may be able to negotiate a free or upgraded meal on board. You may also be able to use this in the departure lounge, so you can bypass Burger King and fill up on something a little more gourmet before take-off.
Airline perks - it may be possible to strike a bargain that allows access to perks such as access to an airline’s members’ lounge. This is dependent on what the airline has to offer but lounges often offer benefits such as free food and drink, a selection of reading material and even massages.
Accommodation - if you’re not able to fly until the following day because you have volunteered yourself to be bumped, you may be able to get the airline to pay for a hotel room. If you’re flexible on your timings, this could be a good chance to extend your holiday by a day.
If you don’t volunteer...
An airline has the right to deny the right to board you are entitled to the same things as you would be if your flight was cancelled.
A refund - you are entitled to ask for your money back.
Or a reroute - you can ask to be booked on to the next available flight.
Compensation - aside from a few exemptions, you are likely to be entitled to compensation.
€250 (£200) for flights under 1500 kilometres (932 miles - short haul).
€400 (£340) for all longer flights within EU, and for all other flights between 1500 kilometres (932 miles) and 3500 kilometres (2175 miles - medium haul).
€600 (£510) for all other flights (long haul).
As mentioned above, this could be a better or worse deal than if you negotiate a cash payout to volunteer to be bumped, so it depends on your bargaining skills and the airline’s generosity.
The only exemptions are if...
you are told of the cancellation at least two weeks before departure, or
you are told of the cancellation between one and two weeks before departure, and rerouting your flight will get you to your final destination no more than four hours late,
rerouting will get you to your destination no more than two hours late.
The only difference between being bumped and if your flight is cancelled is that you can be paid compensation immediately if you are denied boarding.
Where applicable you are also entitled to...
-Suitable meals and refreshments
-Hotel accommodation
-Transport transfers to and from the hotel
-Two free telephone calls, faxes or emails
If you’re in America...
US federal regulations require airlines to pay cash to people they bump from flights against their wishes.
If bumping a passenger from a domestic flight delays that passenger by more than two hours, the airline has to pay the passenger 400 percent of the fare to the passenger’s destination or first stopover, up to a maximum of $1,350.
Here’s the relevant section of the US Code of Federal Regulations:
Multiple investigations, however, have found that airlines rarely pay passengers the full amount to which they’re entitled. Airlines are also supposed to tell passengers at risk of being bumped from overbooked flights how much money they will get if they’re involuntarily bumped, but it’s not clear how often they do that.
In this case, United offered passengers $800, but didn’t get enough volunteers.
One reason might be that some of the passengers on the flight in question ― a Sunday evening nonstop from Chicago to Louisville, Kentucky ― were probably entitled to more than that.
A one-way ticket from Chicago to Louisville on United next Sunday would run you about $221 ― meaning that, if bumped and delayed more than two hours, you’d be entitled to $884.
Some passengers likely paid even more to be on the flight, and would be entitled to more compensation. And surely the cost to United of offering passengers more money ― even the full $1,350 ― would have been far less than the negative PR from this episode. The logical thing to do would’ve been to offer more.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/what-am-i-entitled-to-if-im-bumped-from-a-flight-your-questions-answered_uk_58ecafcae4b0ca64d918fc80?utm_hp_ref=uk
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There are several problematic points in United Fucktards contrived excuses for their obvious assault on an innocent passenger, that doesn't help their cause :
The flight was genuinely "overbooked" -- the United bullybpys decided to bounce four passengers so as to give free passage to four of their own staff;
United Fucktards then didn't ask for volunteers, but rather randomly chose four victims for their odious and indiscriminate actions;
Being the gormless and spineless cowards that they are, those morons then ordered a bunch of mercenary private airport "police" security goons onto the aircraft, to assault and remove those non--"volunteers"..
P.S. Isn't it also true that United Airlines has been technically 'bankrupt' for the past two or three decades (always a good tax-avoidance dodge..), and that their safety, reliability and corporate rankings are just as bad as those infamous Russian and Turkish airlines ?
(Much better to fly Singapore, Emirates, Qantas, British, Lufthansa, or NZ, surely -- for those travelling anywhere internationally ? Anything but any of the braindead American airlines..). And anyone but United Fucktards for those domestic US flights ?
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I think the treatment this man endured was appalling. Dragged off like some criminal, in fact criminals are treated better. Disgusting and hard to watch.
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Seems the man who was dragged out of his seat has a pretty sordid past.
Is it fair that all this is now in the international news for all to see, when he was just in the right place (his seat) at the wrong time.
I wonder if United Airlines have done a little digging in order to take sympathy away from the man.
Is it fair that all this is now in the international news for all to see, when he was just in the right place (his seat) at the wrong time.
I wonder if United Airlines have done a little digging in order to take sympathy away from the man.
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Syl wrote:Seems the man who was dragged out of his seat has a pretty sordid past.
Is it fair that all this is now in the international news for all to see, when he was just in the right place (his seat) at the wrong time.
I wonder if United Airlines have done a little digging in order to take sympathy away from the man.
We all saw what we saw. The man's history is irrelevant. Everyone is saying to themselves: That could be me!
What no one here has mentioned is that United Airlines only offered $800 as incentive for passengers to skip the flight:
Money wrote:The airline initially offered all passengers on the overbooked Chicago-Louisville flight $400 and a hotel stay if they agreed to stay over and fly instead on Monday afternoon, the paper notes—and when not enough passengers bit, the airline upped the offer to $800.
In fact, under federal regulations United could have offered as much as $1,350 to a bumped passenger. El Cheapo, much? Smart move Mr. Munoz. United's stock lost millions today.
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Original Quill wrote:Syl wrote:Seems the man who was dragged out of his seat has a pretty sordid past.
Is it fair that all this is now in the international news for all to see, when he was just in the right place (his seat) at the wrong time.
I wonder if United Airlines have done a little digging in order to take sympathy away from the man.
We all saw what we saw. The man's history is irrelevant. Everyone is saying to themselves: That could be me!
What no one here has mentioned is that United Airlines only offered $800 as incentive for passengers to skip the flight:Money wrote:The airline initially offered all passengers on the overbooked Chicago-Louisville flight $400 and a hotel stay if they agreed to stay over and fly instead on Monday afternoon, the paper notes—and when not enough passengers bit, the airline upped the offer to $800.
In fact, under federal regulations, United could have offered as much as $1,350 to a bumped passenger. El Cheapo, much? United's stock lost millions today.
I saw the stocks plummet, and it's what they deserve.
I do wonder though if its not them who have been digging round to dish the dirt on the man.
Public sympathy is easily swayed....if the man is a drug dealer and supplying drugs for sex as has been claimed, even though as you rightly say the man's history is irrelevant......public opinion, especially when a public service company like an airline is involved, matters.
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Syl wrote:Original Quill wrote:
We all saw what we saw. The man's history is irrelevant. Everyone is saying to themselves: That could be me!
What no one here has mentioned is that United Airlines only offered $800 as incentive for passengers to skip the flight:
In fact, under federal regulations, United could have offered as much as $1,350 to a bumped passenger. El Cheapo, much? United's stock lost millions today.
I saw the stocks plummet, and it's what they deserve.
I do wonder though if its not them who have been digging round to dish the dirt on the man.
Public sympathy is easily swayed....if the man is a drug dealer and supplying drugs for sex as has been claimed, even though as you rightly say the man's history is irrelevant.....public opinion, especially when a public service company like an airline is involved, matters.
It only matters if the alleged misconduct was integral to this on-flight incident. If the guy was smoking marijuana or sniffing cocaine in the back seat and they removed him for that, then he could be blamed. Otherwise, the point remains: the guy was just sitting there...that could as easily have happened to me!
People don't unload a stock because of unpleasant drama. People unload a stock because they feel it's going to lose value. It's not going to lose value because some passenger sold drugs 2-years ago, but it will lose value if people don't buy tickets. If people think that could happen to me on United Airlines, they are going to buy tickets elsewhere...United is going to lose revenue...its stock will fall.
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Surprised Tommy hasn't come on here lambasting the half caste passenger for being so disruptive that he deserved his beating , and claiming there is more to this story than they are letting on.
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Original Quill wrote:Syl wrote:
I saw the stocks plummet, and it's what they deserve.
I do wonder though if its not them who have been digging round to dish the dirt on the man.
Public sympathy is easily swayed....if the man is a drug dealer and supplying drugs for sex as has been claimed, even though as you rightly say the man's history is irrelevant.....public opinion, especially when a public service company like an airline is involved, matters.
It only matters if the alleged misconduct was integral to this on-flight incident. If the guy was smoking marijuana or sniffing cocaine in the back seat and they removed him for that, then he could be blamed. Otherwise, the point remains: the guy was just sitting there...that could as easily have happened to me!
People don't unload a stock because of unpleasant drama. People unload a stock because they feel it's going to lose value. It's not going to lose value because some passenger sold drugs 2-years ago, but it will lose value if people don't buy tickets. If people think that could happen to me on United Airlines, they are going to buy tickets elsewhere...United is going to lose revenue...its stock will fall.
I still think it's likely to be some United airline spin doctor who has been digging around trying to unearth some dirt on that passenger...damage limitation and all that.
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I hope he sues them from arsehole to Christmas
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Syl wrote:Original Quill wrote:
It only matters if the alleged misconduct was integral to this on-flight incident. If the guy was smoking marijuana or sniffing cocaine in the back seat and they removed him for that, then he could be blamed. Otherwise, the point remains: the guy was just sitting there...that could as easily have happened to me!
People don't unload a stock because of unpleasant drama. People unload a stock because they feel it's going to lose value. It's not going to lose value because some passenger sold drugs 2-years ago, but it will lose value if people don't buy tickets. If people think that could happen to me on United Airlines, they are going to buy tickets elsewhere...United is going to lose revenue...its stock will fall.
I still think it's likely to be some United airline spin doctor who has been digging around trying to unearth some dirt on that passenger...damage limitation and all that.
I think you misunderstood what I said. It may be some spin doctor snooping around, but it doesn't matter. No one cares.
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Angry Andy wrote:Surprised Tommy hasn't come on here lambasting the half caste passenger for being so disruptive that he deserved his beating , and claiming there is more to this story than they are letting on.
Mr Conspiracy Man.
this is the second thread I have seen where you are merely baiting and shit stirring...Either stop it or i'll dump you in the trash where you belong.
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I'd have quite happily accepted the money and free hotel and got a flight next day. As the other three did.
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Original Quill wrote:Syl wrote:
I still think it's likely to be some United airline spin doctor who has been digging around trying to unearth some dirt on that passenger...damage limitation and all that.
I think you misunderstood what I said. It may be some spin doctor snooping around, but it doesn't matter. No one cares.
I didn't misunderstand your post Quill, and I agree that the man was totally innocent of any wrongdoing and the airline are 100% wrong, I also hope the man sues the arse of UA (which I have already said when the thread was first posted) and wins a fortune.
I still think that some spin doctor has dug deep to tar the mans reputation and possibly he will lose some public sympathy because of this.
No one cares?.....I think many people are influenced a lot by what they read in the papers, and public opinion can shift in a heartbeat.
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HoratioTarr wrote:I'd have quite happily accepted the money and free hotel and got a flight next day. As the other three did.
I know legally he had to leave the plane if he was told to, but surely compromises could have been made.
I bet other passengers would have left after money was offered, especially those who didn't have patients to see and places to be.
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Syl wrote:Original Quill wrote:
I think you misunderstood what I said. It may be some spin doctor snooping around, but it doesn't matter. No one cares.
I didn't misunderstand your post Quill, and I agree that the man was totally innocent of any wrongdoing and the airline are 100% wrong, I also hope the man sues the arse of UA (which I have already said when the thread was first posted) and wins a fortune.
I still think that some spin doctor has dug deep to tar the mans reputation and possibly he will lose some public sympathy because of this.
No one cares?.....I think many people are influenced a lot by what they read in the papers, and public opinion can shift in a heartbeat.
I think the one's who care about smearing an innocent man are those whose minds are already made up. So it's a numbers game...the numbers are overwhelmingly against United Airlines.
Note the change of tone this morning by the CEO (Munoz) of United Airlines. He's now forbidding law enforcement to enter his (United's) aircraft under these circumstances.
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Thorin wrote:A man has been filmed being pulled screaming from his plane seat because the airline overbooked the flight and needed to get people off. The footage shows the man being yanked from his United Airlines seat by three men before being dragged down the aisle as other passengers scream in protest.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/united-airlines-video_uk_58eb98e3e4b058f0a030fedc?utm_hp_ref=uk
Video's on link
Talk about OTT. Pics of this guy being dragged out so barbarically does this airline no favours. As a doctor he could save a life on a plane. Inflight emergencies are not uncommon. Heart attacks, premature childbirth etc - and people do die on flights though this is never publicicsed. I don't give a shit about his past history cos what's that got to do with anything?
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Original Quill wrote:Syl wrote:
I didn't misunderstand your post Quill, and I agree that the man was totally innocent of any wrongdoing and the airline are 100% wrong, I also hope the man sues the arse of UA (which I have already said when the thread was first posted) and wins a fortune.
I still think that some spin doctor has dug deep to tar the mans reputation and possibly he will lose some public sympathy because of this.
No one cares?.....I think many people are influenced a lot by what they read in the papers, and public opinion can shift in a heartbeat.
I think the one's who care about smearing an innocent man are those whose minds are already made up. So it's a numbers game...the numbers are overwhelmingly against United Airlines.
Note the change of tone this morning by the CEO (Munoz) of United Airlines. He's now forbidding law enforcement to enter his (United's) aircraft under these circumstances.
The other point is this man who was minding his own business now has his private life, some of which is sordid, splashed all over the papers and internet. Nothing (as you have said) he has done in the past was in any way connected to what happened on that plane.
Family photos and info of his wife and children are there for the world to see and read about. and I imagine his life is going to be very hard in the future because of it.
United airlines are responsible for this...I wonder if this will be taken into consideration when the man sues....which he surely will.
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HoratioTarr wrote:I'd have quite happily accepted the money and free hotel and got a flight next day. As the other three did.
Apparently, he was in good company. Originally, no one else wanted to accept the money, either. That's how they got into the force routine in the first place.
Put it into perspective. For many, the $800 is chump-change. It is not that much money, and people already have commitments to meet tomorrow. On some days I make almost that much in an hour. They would be stealing out of my pocket if they offered that pittance.
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Syl wrote:Original Quill wrote:
I think the one's who care about smearing an innocent man are those whose minds are already made up. So it's a numbers game...the numbers are overwhelmingly against United Airlines.
Note the change of tone this morning by the CEO (Munoz) of United Airlines. He's now forbidding law enforcement to enter his (United's) aircraft under these circumstances.
The other point is this man who was minding his own business now has his private life, some of which is sordid, splashed all over the papers and internet. Nothing (as you have said) he has done in the past was in any way connected to what happened on that plane.
Family photos and info of his wife and children are there for the world to see and read about. and I imagine his life is going to be very hard in the future because of it.
United airlines are responsible for this...I wonder if this will be taken into consideration when the man sues....which he surely will.
Sounds like a very good invasion of privacy/false light claim.
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Syl wrote:HoratioTarr wrote:I'd have quite happily accepted the money and free hotel and got a flight next day. As the other three did.
I know legally he had to leave the plane if he was told to, but surely compromises could have been made.
I bet other passengers would have left after money was offered, especially those who didn't have patients to see and places to be.
He was asked to leave his seat, refused and defied the powers that be by goading them to force him. So they did. He sounds like an idiot to me. I think he also has an eye on making money out of this.
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Original Quill wrote:HoratioTarr wrote:I'd have quite happily accepted the money and free hotel and got a flight next day. As the other three did.
Apparently, he was in good company. Originally, no one else wanted to accept the money, either. That's how they got into the force routine in the first place.
Put it into perspective. For many, the $800 is chump-change. It is not that much money, and people already have commitments to meet tomorrow. On some days I make almost that much in an hour. They would be stealing out of my pocket if they offered that pittance.
Overbooking like this is wrong...but that's how it is. As for him having patients to see the next day...more like wages to lose. Thing is, you just cannot behave like this on planes. Once you start that, then it's anything goes. You set a precedent.
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It might have been more politic to have just had the captain announce that everyone was going to sit on the tarmac til those asked to leave, left. I bet he wouldn't have had half as much sympathy from his fellow passengers then.
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Apparently when overbooked they randomly select names and boot them out. But If I were in charge of such decisions I would allow the medic to stay on. As I said earlier a medic could help someone who got dangerously ill. Even last week a govt minister on a plane who is a retired medic (Dr Liam Fox) helped an asphyxiated baby who was having convulsions.
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Personally I'd rather be sat next to a doctor than a businessman on a plane. The doc is bound to have some interesting stories to tell, and if I started choking on my beef stroganoff he / she would save me with the instruments in his/her bag. (The businessman would be too busy checking up on his stocks & shares to even notice my predicament!! )
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HoratioTarr wrote:Original Quill wrote:
Apparently, he was in good company. Originally, no one else wanted to accept the money, either. That's how they got into the force routine in the first place.
Put it into perspective. For many, the $800 is chump-change. It is not that much money, and people already have commitments to meet tomorrow. On some days I make almost that much in an hour. They would be stealing out of my pocket if they offered that pittance.
Overbooking like this is wrong...but that's how it is. As for him having patients to see the next day...more like wages to lose. Thing is, you just cannot behave like this on planes. Once you start that, then it's anything goes. You set a precedent.
What an asshole comment to make, HT. He didn't do anything. The United mafia goons did all the acting.
Are you one of those 1 percenters who never have to join in with the unwashed riff-raff? We'll send our corporate goons to speak with your corporate goons.
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Jules wrote:Apparently when overbooked they randomly select names and boot them out. But If I were in charge of such decisions I would allow the medic to stay on. As I said earlier a medic could help someone who got dangerously ill. Even last week a govt minister on a plane who is a retired medic (Dr Liam Fox) helped an asphyxiated baby who was having convulsions.
Actually, it's not random. They choose based on who has got connections, and other travel criteria. They have computers figure it all out.
But there's no consideration for trip purpose or destination.
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Original Quill wrote:HoratioTarr wrote:
Overbooking like this is wrong...but that's how it is. As for him having patients to see the next day...more like wages to lose. Thing is, you just cannot behave like this on planes. Once you start that, then it's anything goes. You set a precedent.
What an asshole comment to make, HT. He didn't do anything. The United mafia goons did all the acting.
Are you one of those 1 percenters who never have to join in with the unwashed riff-raff? We'll send our corporate goons to speak with your corporate goons.
Horatio and Syl are both showing their true colours on here today...
Both are making lowlife, arsehole, unsubstantiated claims about the victim of an unlawful and immoral assault on a passenger by a commercial airline and its hired "private police" security goons..
Typical, what we have come to expect from the likes of nasty and dishonest scumbags, the likes of H/T, Syl and company, in recent months.
How do they consistently manage to drag up these corporate-propaganda, mud-slinging, victim-bashing puff pieces, when we don't see it on regular news services ? Just what kind of sleazy, lowlife sites and channels are they regularly trawling through..
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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Original Quill wrote:
What an asshole comment to make, HT. He didn't do anything. The United mafia goons did all the acting.
Are you one of those 1 percenters who never have to join in with the unwashed riff-raff? We'll send our corporate goons to speak with your corporate goons.
Horatio and Syl are both showing their true colours on here today...
Both are making lowlife, arsehole, unsubstantiated claims about the victim of an unlawful and immoral assault on a passenger by a commercial airline and its hired "private police" security goons..
Typical, what we have come to expect from the likes of nasty and dishonest scumbags, the likes of H/T, Syl and company, in recent months.
How do they consistently manage to drag up these corporate-propaganda, mud-slinging, victim-bashing puff pieces, when we don't see it on regular news services ? Just what kind of sleazy, lowlife sites and channels are they regularly trawling through..
Liar...I have sympathy for the man....not as much as I have for you obviously, but never the less I have condemned UA thoughout the thread....idiot.
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The man is suing....good for him.
"David Dao, the 69-year-old man who sparked public outcry after being forcibly removed from a United Airlines flight, is preparing to file a lawsuit against the airline.
Dao's lawyer, Tom Demetrio, said at a Thursday press conference that the lawsuit would aim to "stand up for passengers going forward."
"They have treated us less than we deserve," Demetrio said of airline carriers in general."
http://uk.businessinsider.com/man-dragged-from-united-airlines-flight-will-file-lawsuit-2017-4?r=US&IR=T
"David Dao, the 69-year-old man who sparked public outcry after being forcibly removed from a United Airlines flight, is preparing to file a lawsuit against the airline.
Dao's lawyer, Tom Demetrio, said at a Thursday press conference that the lawsuit would aim to "stand up for passengers going forward."
"They have treated us less than we deserve," Demetrio said of airline carriers in general."
http://uk.businessinsider.com/man-dragged-from-united-airlines-flight-will-file-lawsuit-2017-4?r=US&IR=T
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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Original Quill wrote:
What an asshole comment to make, HT. He didn't do anything. The United mafia goons did all the acting.
Are you one of those 1 percenters who never have to join in with the unwashed riff-raff? We'll send our corporate goons to speak with your corporate goons.
Horatio and Syl are both showing their true colours on here today...
Both are making lowlife, arsehole, unsubstantiated claims about the victim of an unlawful and immoral assault on a passenger by a commercial airline and its hired "private police" security goons..
Typical, what we have come to expect from the likes of nasty and dishonest scumbags, the likes of H/T, Syl and company, in recent months.
How do they consistently manage to drag up these corporate-propaganda, mud-slinging, victim-bashing puff pieces, when we don't see it on regular news services ? Just what kind of sleazy, lowlife sites and channels are they regularly trawling through..
Neither of them have done what you say they've done. Syl has commented about the publicity re the personal life of the man, and Horatio has simply given her opinion about what happened.
Try reading what people actually say instead of attacking other posters for saying what you think they said.
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Thanks Rags, the fool must need glasses....as well as a brain.
The man suffered a broken nose, 2 broken teeth and concussion. which isn't surprising seeing the way those three bullies manhandled him.
The man suffered a broken nose, 2 broken teeth and concussion. which isn't surprising seeing the way those three bullies manhandled him.
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I'm all for good discipline on planes as they can be dangerous places, but the way they treated him was horrible. It's their fault if they overbook, or they suddenly need the seats for staff - they should think of that instead of trying to remove people who have paid for a ticket in good faith.
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Original Quill wrote:Jules wrote:Apparently when overbooked they randomly select names and boot them out. But If I were in charge of such decisions I would allow the medic to stay on. As I said earlier a medic could help someone who got dangerously ill. Even last week a govt minister on a plane who is a retired medic (Dr Liam Fox) helped an asphyxiated baby who was having convulsions.
Actually, it's not random. They choose based on who has got connections, and other travel criteria. They have computers figure it all out.
But there's no consideration for trip purpose or destination.
Well Quill, that system makes sense, but in this particular case it was just random apparently. This is what it says in the link: >
"They initially asked for volunteers but when no one came forward, a computer randomly selected four people."
This barbarism was disrespectful. And the crew should realise that trying to bribe passengers with money does not always work cos some people already have plenty of money. Not everyone can be bought.
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Here's another incredible story which shows moments of stupidity of some airlines. BA, this time.
An airline was delayed due to lack of toilet rolls on board. The 5 hour delay cost them £300,000.00 in compensation.
£300K ??? Not wanting to be gross here, but my Gawwd it would have worked out cheaper for the flight crew to give the passengers paper money to use as loo rolls.
Why didn't the crew grab a few loo rolls from the duty free shop rather than sit there on the tarmac for 5 hours waiting for a 'proper delivery'??? Gimme strength
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-39218707
An airline was delayed due to lack of toilet rolls on board. The 5 hour delay cost them £300,000.00 in compensation.
£300K ??? Not wanting to be gross here, but my Gawwd it would have worked out cheaper for the flight crew to give the passengers paper money to use as loo rolls.
Why didn't the crew grab a few loo rolls from the duty free shop rather than sit there on the tarmac for 5 hours waiting for a 'proper delivery'??? Gimme strength
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-39218707
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