GE15 - results here!!

by Guest Thu May 07, 2015 10:13 pm

First topic message reminder :

con 316
lab 239
lib dem 10
snp 58
ukip 2
others 25

remember this is only an exit poll ........

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 1:38 am

yawn....bed.....catch ya tomorrow

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 8:41 am

They're saying that the Tories are heading for an overall majority. Bad news for foxes, hares, and stags then.

Did the speculation re a Labour/SNP deal put people off voting for Labour in England?

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 9:15 am

Well I did say the best weapon the Tories had was Ed Miliband, as he clearly is not that popular. Plus I think the fear of Labour going in to coalition with Labour, even though they said they would not, clearly played on peoples minds.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 9:24 am

Nemesis wrote:Well I did say the best weapon the Tories had was Ed Miliband, as he clearly is not that popular. Plus I think the fear of Labour going in to coalition with Labour, even though they said they would not, clearly played on peoples minds.

You mean going in with the SNP?

It doesn't look like Labour has actually lost seats in England - apart from maybe a few, they just didn't win ones they thought they would. There is speculation that it's because of the possibility of a Labour/SNP coalition, and of course people in England would not want that. It might be nothing to do with that of course.

At a glance, it seems that Labour lost a huge number of seats to the SNP, and the Tories gained a lot from the LibDems, particularly in the South West.

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 9:32 am

I reckon the racist snp have cost labour dearly.

Ukip have also had quite an affect on the overall outcome.

perhaps the half of the country who have realised voting is pointless as the colour of the rosette may change but the crap its pinned to doesn't have it right.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 9:39 am

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:I reckon the racist snp have cost labour dearly.

Ukip have also had quite an affect on the overall outcome.

perhaps the half of the country who have realised voting is pointless as the colour of the rosette may change but the crap its pinned to doesn't have it right.

You think the SNP are racist?

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 9:45 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Nemesis wrote:Well I did say the best weapon the Tories had was Ed Miliband, as he clearly is not that popular. Plus I think the fear of Labour going in to coalition with Labour, even though they said they would not, clearly played on peoples minds.

You mean going in with the SNP?

It doesn't look like Labour has actually lost seats in England - apart from maybe a few, they just didn't win ones they thought they would. There is speculation that it's because of the possibility of a Labour/SNP coalition, and of course people in England would not want that. It might be nothing to do with that of course.

At a glance, it seems that Labour lost a huge number of seats to the SNP, and the Tories gained a lot from the LibDems, particularly in the South West.

True Rags, but losing the amount of seats in Scotland is a disater for them. They were hoping to gain seats in England as well as their support in Scotland. That loss now makes it an up hill struggle for labour come the next elections if they fail to regain their support up there. It is a huge amount of seats that if lost on a permenant bases. Lots of what if's I know, but this is a real hammer blow to Labour.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 9:46 am

I think the results of any general election rest largely on the personalities of the party leaders. I think that's why Labour had that landslide in 1997 - because of Tony Blair - and I think people in Scotland have voted for the SNP largely because of the personality of Nicola Sturgeon.

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 9:49 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I think the results of any general election rest largely on the personalities of the party leaders. I think that's why Labour had that landslide in 1997 - because of Tony Blair - and I think people in Scotland have voted for the SNP largely because of the personality of Nicola Sturgeon.

Agreed, as much as he is now hated, at the time, he was very popular and his charisma played a huge part. That is why I say and have been saying for sometime, the best weapon the Tories had was Miliband as leader. They would have done far better with his brother. You know a party is not going to do well, if their leader is less popular than the present PM.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 9:49 am

Nemesis wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You mean going in with the SNP?

It doesn't look like Labour has actually lost seats in England - apart from maybe a few, they just didn't win ones they thought they would. There is speculation that it's because of the possibility of a Labour/SNP coalition, and of course people in England would not want that. It might be nothing to do with that of course.

At a glance, it seems that Labour lost a huge number of seats to the SNP, and the Tories gained a lot from the LibDems, particularly in the South West.

True Rags, but losing the amount of seats in Scotland is a disater for them. They were hoping to gain seats in England as well as their support in Scotland. That loss now makes it an up hill struggle for labour come the next elections if they fail to regain their support up there. It is a huge amount of seats that if lost on a permenant bases. Lots of what if's I know, but this is a real hammer blow to Labour.

The loss of seats in Scotland is a disaster for Labour - I agree, but I think the loss of seats in Scotland was fairly predictable. The referendum results were very close really, and it probably spurred a lot of people on to vote for the SNP. Also, as I just said, I think the personality of Nicola Sturgeon played a large part in it.

The main issue is why Labour did not do better in England, and why the LibDems lost so many seats.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 9:54 am

Nemesis wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I think the results of any general election rest largely on the personalities of the party leaders. I think that's why Labour had that landslide in 1997 - because of Tony Blair - and I think people in Scotland have voted for the SNP largely because of the personality of Nicola Sturgeon.

Agreed, as much as he is now hated, at the time, he was very popular and his charisma played a huge part. That is why I say and have been saying for sometime, the best weapon the Tories had was Miliband as leader. They would have done far better with his brother. You know a party is not going to do well, if their leader is less popular than the present PM.

I absolutely agree about Tony Blair. He was a very refreshing change at the time, and he had charisma. Unfortunately, the invasion of Iraq led to a loss of support IMO.

Miliband is OK as a leader, but he would have needed a huge amount of charisma and confidence to beat the Tories.

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 9:55 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Nemesis wrote:

Agreed, as much as he is now hated, at the time, he was very popular and his charisma played a huge part. That is why I say and have been saying for sometime, the best weapon the Tories had was Miliband as leader. They would have done far better with his brother. You know a party is not going to do well, if their leader is less popular than the present PM.

I absolutely agree about Tony Blair. He was a very refreshing change at the time, and he had charisma. Unfortunately, the invasion of Iraq led to a loss of support IMO.

Miliband is OK as a leader, but he would have needed a huge amount of charisma and confidence to beat the Tories.

I think David has more charisma, but agree that I doubt it would have been enough.
Well its done now I guess, all there is left to see is who gets the last seats. Tories now on 320 with 15 to go.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 9:56 am

Tories only need 6 more seats for a win.

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 9:59 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Tories only need 6 more seats for a win.

I am happy for that and so should the UKIP supporters as they will now have their chance to vote with a referendum on the EU.
It shows even though they had near 4 million votes at nearly 13% of the vote, they clearly have stronghold areas of support and not wide spread support.
Be interesting the next 5 years now how things pan out, but I bet you see the FTSE rise today after the Tory win.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:04 am

Nemesis wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Tories only need 6 more seats for a win.

I am happy for that and so should the UKIP supporters as they will now have their chance to vote with a referendum on the EU.
It shows even though they had near 4 million votes at nearly 13% of the vote, they clearly have stronghold areas of support and not wide spread support.
Be interesting the next 5 years now how things pan out, but I bet you see the FTSE rise today after the Tory win.

I don't really have a problem with the Tories, apart from one issue, and that is hunting with dogs. I guess a lot of people would say it's a trivial issue in the general scheme of things, but I have a thing about it.

The usual issue will come up again - the fairness/unfairness of the voting system. A party can get a large percentage of the popular vote and yet come out with very few seats. The popular vote breakdown will be interesting.

Poor LibDems eh? They are pretty much back to square one.

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:09 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Nemesis wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Tories only need 6 more seats for a win.

I am happy for that and so should the UKIP supporters as they will now have their chance to vote with a referendum on the EU.
It shows even though they had near 4 million votes at nearly 13% of the vote, they clearly have stronghold areas of support and not wide spread support.
Be interesting the next 5 years now how things pan out, but I bet you see the FTSE rise today after the Tory win.

I don't really have a problem with the Tories, apart from one issue, and that is hunting with dogs. I guess a lot of people would say it's a trivial issue in the general scheme of things, but I have a thing about it.

The usual issue will come up again - the fairness/unfairness of the voting system. A party can get a large percentage of the popular vote and yet come out with very few seats. The popular vote breakdown will be interesting.

Poor LibDems eh? They are pretty much back to square one.

You think that's bad? In the U.S., a president can get fewer votes than his (always his, at least till next year) opponent and still end up in the White House. It hasn't happened often, but it got Bush in.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:12 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't really have a problem with the Tories, apart from one issue, and that is hunting with dogs. I guess a lot of people would say it's a trivial issue in the general scheme of things, but I have a thing about it.

The usual issue will come up again - the fairness/unfairness of the voting system. A party can get a large percentage of the popular vote and yet come out with very few seats. The popular vote breakdown will be interesting.

Poor LibDems eh? They are pretty much back to square one.

You think that's bad? In the U.S., a president can get fewer votes than his (always his, at least till next year) opponent and still end up in the White House. It hasn't happened often, but it got Bush in.

I guess so. It's less likely to happen though because it's a two-horse race.

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 10:14 am

it seems official the conservatives are the shiniest turd this time round...

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:16 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't really have a problem with the Tories, apart from one issue, and that is hunting with dogs. I guess a lot of people would say it's a trivial issue in the general scheme of things, but I have a thing about it.

The usual issue will come up again - the fairness/unfairness of the voting system. A party can get a large percentage of the popular vote and yet come out with very few seats. The popular vote breakdown will be interesting.

Poor LibDems eh? They are pretty much back to square one.

You think that's bad? In the U.S., a president can get fewer votes than his (always his, at least till next year) opponent and still end up in the White House. It hasn't happened often, but it got Bush in.

I guess so. It's less likely to happen though because it's a two-horse race.

Probably true -- I haven't looked in on the UK election since earlier yesterday (why do I stay up so late?) but it looked like kind of a mess, like maybe the Tories are going to have to bend quite a bit to create a coalition. Your take?

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:18 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I guess so. It's less likely to happen though because it's a two-horse race.

Probably true -- I haven't looked in on the UK election since earlier yesterday (why do I stay up so late?) but it looked like kind of a mess, like maybe the Tories are going to have to bend quite a bit to create a coalition. Your take?

The Tories are expected to get an overall majority, so there will be no need for a coalition like in the last election. There's only a few seats to go.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:19 am

So what on earth happened to the LibDems? They've done worse than they ever did. Did some floating voters object to them having a say in Government as part of the coalition?

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:21 am

Raggamuffin wrote:So what on earth happened to the LibDems - they've done worse than they ever did. Did some floating voters object to them having a say in Government as part of the coalition?

Yes, I hear someone might eat his hat in public? I hope they tape that ...

by Andy Fri May 08, 2015 10:21 am

So much for Tommy Monk's prediction of 25% and about 10 seats for UKIP.
Looks like Farage is history too.

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 10:21 am

Raggamuffin wrote:So what on earth happened to the LibDems? They've done worse than they ever did. Did some floating voters object to them having a say in Government as part of the coalition?

they jumped in to bed with the cons and sold their soul.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:22 am

They're still waiting for the Thanet South result - where Nigel Farage is hoping to win.

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:22 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So what on earth happened to the LibDems - they've done worse than they ever did. Did some floating voters object to them having a say in Government as part of the coalition?

Yes, I hear someone might eat his hat in public? I hope they tape that ...

But all I know about the LibDems is that Les is one and he seems like an upstanding-citizen type of person Smile

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:23 am

Raggamuffin wrote:They're still waiting for the Thanet South result - where Nigel Farage is hoping to win.

What if he doesn't? Would that mean we don't have to hear about him all the time? Smile

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:27 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:They're still waiting for the Thanet South result - where Nigel Farage is hoping to win.

What if he doesn't? Would that mean we don't have to hear about him all the time?

No. He'll still be the leader of UKIP, and they still do very well in the Euro elections. Laughing

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:29 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Yes, I hear someone might eat his hat in public? I hope they tape that ...

But all I know about the LibDems is that Les is one and he seems like an upstanding-citizen type of person

Oh, is it Les who's going to eat his hat? lol!

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:34 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Yes, I hear someone might eat his hat in public? I hope they tape that ...

But all I know about the LibDems is that Les is one and he seems like an upstanding-citizen type of person

Oh, is it Les who's going to eat his hat?

Unless he's a Lord without telling us, I don't think it's him. Lord Ashbury? Ashington? Ash-on-the-Thames? Aniston? I can't remember ...

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:35 am

Here we go - Thanet South results are in.

by Andy Fri May 08, 2015 10:35 am

Farage GONE.!!!!

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:36 am

Ah, just found it -- "Ashdown."

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:37 am

Handy Andy wrote:Farage GONE.!!!!

Seriously, after all the intimidation allegations? Wow.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:41 am

So will he really resign? I hope he doesn't actually - things won't be the same without him.

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:42 am

Raggamuffin wrote:So will he really resign? I hope he doesn't actually - things won't be the same without him.

Ashdown? He promised to publicly eat his own hat; I'm looking forward to hat recipes from celebrity chefs Smile

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:46 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:Ah, just found it -- "Ashdown."

Oh, Paddy Ashdown - former leader of the LibDems. He's refused to eat his hat apparently - spoilsport. Laughing

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:46 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So will he really resign? I hope he doesn't actually - things won't be the same without him.

Ashdown? He promised to publicly eat his own hat; I'm looking forward to hat recipes from celebrity chefs

Noooo, Nigel Farage. I don't think he should resign.

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:47 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:Ah, just found it -- "Ashdown."

Oh, Paddy Ashdown - former leader of the LibDems. He's refused to eat his hat apparently - spoilsport.

What a crock! He should make a big event of it. Might win his party a few seats next time Smile

by Ben Reilly Fri May 08, 2015 10:47 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So will he really resign? I hope he doesn't actually - things won't be the same without him.

Ashdown? He promised to publicly eat his own hat; I'm looking forward to hat recipes from celebrity chefs

Noooo, Nigel Farage. I don't think he should resign.

If he lost would he have a choice?

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:50 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Noooo, Nigel Farage. I don't think he should resign.

If he lost would he have a choice?

Yes he would - he's never won before either.

He didn't do that badly - he came second.

Oh well, I think he will go - I didn't expect that.

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 10:53 am

ftse and pound up on con victory

cons predicted for majority of 6....

a bit slim but...

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:55 am

darknessss wrote:ftse and pound up on con victory

cons predicted for majority of 6....

a bit slim but...

Oooh, I wonder if my shares have gone up. Laughing

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 10:56 am

Miliband may well resign as well.

I always think it's a shame for the people who voted for leaders when they resign. It's as if they're saying those people didn't count.

by nicko Fri May 08, 2015 11:00 am

UKIP came second in 150 seats, that seems pretty good to me.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 11:02 am

nicko wrote:UKIP came second in 150 seats, that seems pretty good to me.

Yes. It's the voting system they can't ever beat.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 11:10 am

"A surge of nationalism". That's how Miliband described the success of the SNP.

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 11:29 am

So Nigel Farage is going to stand down as the leader of UKIP, but when they have the elections for the new leader in September, he will consider standing again.

by Guest Fri May 08, 2015 11:34 am

how the country looks

GE15 - results here!! - Page 2 Untitl10

by Raggamuffin Fri May 08, 2015 11:35 am

Cleggy is about to speak. So will he go or stay?

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