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Nigel Farage and the BBC TV debate
Is a cult.
And I am dyslexic.
And he got thrashed during the debate.
What sort of twonk slags off an audience that has been selected for it cross party representation by a neutral,independant company?
A beer swilling, racist, smoking ex banker millionaire.
And I am dyslexic.
And he got thrashed during the debate.
What sort of twonk slags off an audience that has been selected for it cross party representation by a neutral,independant company?
A beer swilling, racist, smoking ex banker millionaire.
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Is this a story? Can you put up a link to it please HA.
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It was the BBC debate tonight, he got booed by the whole audience. He then said they were all left wing, Dimbleby then told him not good idea to slag off an audience and they had not been picked by the BBC but by an independent company to represent evenly every party. He looked very embarrassed lol
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Difficult to pin a link to a live debate on BBC1 and Radio 5 live.eddie wrote:Is this a story? Can you put up a link to it please HA.
Thanks.
Sassy summed it up pretty well.
It will be splurged over the media imminently.
No-one particularly won the debate.
But Farage lost the plot and the debate by a country mile.
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Good evening Rising Sun & Handy Andy.
What a silly pair you are.
A Left-wing audience booing him is exactly what he was looking for. He was not there to woo liberal floating voters. He was rallying his base that believes that the debate was a Left-wing racket. And he did it well.
Darlings,we all know the BBC picked a left wing audience.
What a silly pair you are.
A Left-wing audience booing him is exactly what he was looking for. He was not there to woo liberal floating voters. He was rallying his base that believes that the debate was a Left-wing racket. And he did it well.
Darlings,we all know the BBC picked a left wing audience.
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Handy Andy wrote:Difficult to pin a link to a live debate on BBC1 and Radio 5 live.eddie wrote:Is this a story? Can you put up a link to it please HA.
Thanks.
Sassy summed it up pretty well.
It will be splurged over the media imminently.
No-one particularly won the debate.
But Farage lost the plot and the debate by a country mile.
Okay I don't watch much TV so didn't know it was on.
Mystery solved
I'll amend the title then when it's in the news tomorrow you can add more here.
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Morning Shades.Shady wrote:Good evening Rising Sun & Handy Andy.
What a silly pair you are.
A Left-wing audience booing him is exactly what he was looking for. He was not there to woo liberal floating voters. He was rallying his base that believes that the debate was a Left-wing racket. And he did it well.
Darlings,we all know the BBC picked a left wing audience.
Did you watch the debate.
The audience were selected by an independent company for their neutrality and they were an across the board representation of the electorate.
There were as many rwers and Ukippers as there were lwers.
Read every paper and view every news bullitin thos morning.
The audience selection was nothing to do with the BBC.
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Handy Andy wrote:Morning Shades.Shady wrote:Good evening Rising Sun & Handy Andy.
What a silly pair you are.
A Left-wing audience booing him is exactly what he was looking for. He was not there to woo liberal floating voters. He was rallying his base that believes that the debate was a Left-wing racket. And he did it well.
Darlings,we all know the BBC picked a left wing audience.
Did you watch the debate.
The audience were selected by an independent company for their neutrality and they were an across the board representation of the electorate.
There were as many rwers and Ukippers as there were lwers.
Read every paper and view every news bullitin thos morning.
The audience selection was nothing to do with the BBC.
Good morning HA.
No I didn't watch the debate as I watched Coast from Australia.
However,I have watched some highlights & have read several reviews & numerous comments regarding the debate.
Andy saying that the BBC had nothing to do with the audience is a fib....you know that as well as I do.Lets not mess around with each other as we both know the BBC is anti UKIP,the other leaders are anti UKIP & Dimbleby is anti UKIP.........And quite clearly the audience was anti UKIP.
I could see & hear the audience being anti UKIP.Which means that it was not a fair debate & a mockery of democracy.
But bearing all that in mind,Mr.Farage was the only leader who spoke the truth ....& that is what counts.
Going off on a gambling tangent,I would not stake any money on either Labour or Conservative winning an overall majority..................Would you?
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Wouldn't bet a penny pn an overall majority,nate.
It will end in a draw - with a coilition formed either by lab/lib/SNP or con/lib/UKIP.
I dont think UKIP will accrue enough seats to influence any government, certainly not making a difference in the balance of power.
It will end in a draw - with a coilition formed either by lab/lib/SNP or con/lib/UKIP.
I dont think UKIP will accrue enough seats to influence any government, certainly not making a difference in the balance of power.
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Handy Andy wrote:Wouldn't bet a penny pn an overall majority,nate.
It will end in a draw - with a coilition formed either by lab/lib/SNP or con/lib/UKIP.
I dont think UKIP will accrue enough seats to influence any government, certainly not making a difference in the balance of power.
What do you think of Nicky Sturgeon?
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I bet she is as feisty between the sheets as she is behind a podium.
She is a very good orator, as is William Hague. That doesn't mean what she says is correct, she just strongly believes it.
She is too far left for me - whilst she will acquire around 40 Scottish seats, the fact remains they are only a bit larger than the Libs, and any power she has should reflect that she is a minority party in the UK.
She is a very good orator, as is William Hague. That doesn't mean what she says is correct, she just strongly believes it.
She is too far left for me - whilst she will acquire around 40 Scottish seats, the fact remains they are only a bit larger than the Libs, and any power she has should reflect that she is a minority party in the UK.
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SNP are only interested in Scotland.
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I agree,Eds. Milliband is right to be skeptical and wary of forming an alliance.eddie wrote:SNP are only interested in Scotland.
Whilst there will be areas in which they agree, they are too many differences to make a formal coilition. The best for the country will be mutual agreement and support on individual matters and votes
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Handy Andy wrote:I agree,Eds. Milliband is right to be skeptical and wary of forming an alliance.eddie wrote:SNP are only interested in Scotland.
Whilst there will be areas in which they agree, they are too many differences to make a formal coilition. The best for the country will be mutual agreement and support on individual matters and votes
Morning HA
I'm not a labour supporter - not sure who to vote for tbh - but I'd very unhappy for labour or any other party, to form an alliance with the SNP or even that Welsh party Plain Camel or whatever they're called
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Still 3 weeks to go and the election will possibly be lost rather than won.
Farage blundered badly last night with a monumental gaffe, just watching Portillo and Neill on Bbc iplayer , the feeling is Labour are ahead.
Farage blundered badly last night with a monumental gaffe, just watching Portillo and Neill on Bbc iplayer , the feeling is Labour are ahead.
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A lefty audience picked by a lefty BBC, with a lefty chairman!
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I guess reading, even right wing press, is a little too demanding for you Nicko,eh?
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I read quite well thank you, I saw an audience of left wingers, witch is always the way when the BBC arrange it!
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And no doubt you would also be complaining if the audience were far right wing,UKIP or Conservative biased.
I certainly didn't see you whinging when Paxman and Burley laid into Milliband.
I certainly didn't see you whinging when Paxman and Burley laid into Milliband.
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Don't like Paxman, he's a bit big headed knows it all, a bit like you actually.
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I know the difference between right snd wrong, good snd bad.
I know that Millibsnd is a better option than the serial liar Cameron.
I know that Millibsnd is a better option than the serial liar Cameron.
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eddie wrote:Handy Andy wrote:
I agree,Eds. Milliband is right to be skeptical and wary of forming an alliance.
Whilst there will be areas in which they agree, they are too many differences to make a formal coilition. The best for the country will be mutual agreement and support on individual matters and votes
Morning HA
I'm not a labour supporter - not sure who to vote for tbh - but I'd very unhappy for labour or any other party, to form an alliance with the SNP or even that Welsh party Plain Camel or whatever they're called
PLAIN CAMEL!!
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!!
I love that one Eddie & I work with a couple of Welsh boyos from time to time & can't wait to call them Plain Camels.
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Handy Andy wrote:I know the difference between right snd wrong, good snd bad.
I know that Millibsnd is a better option than the serial liar Cameron.
Good afternoon HA.
I agree that Cameron is a serial liar & a bad one at that.But surely you can't be over flowing with confidence for Milliband?
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You are correct Ed doesn't inspire me ,I would have much preferred David M, but there we go.
Labour have Ed , so he will get my support.
In fairness Ed has improved his performance and public perception gteatly,aided by the personal vitriolic attacks from the conservatives and tge rw press.
Labour have Ed , so he will get my support.
In fairness Ed has improved his performance and public perception gteatly,aided by the personal vitriolic attacks from the conservatives and tge rw press.
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Handy Andy wrote:You are correct Ed doesn't inspire me ,I would have much preferred David M, but there we go.
Labour have Ed , so he will get my support.
In fairness Ed has improved his performance and public perception gteatly,aided by the personal vitriolic attacks from the conservatives and tge rw press.
I thought it was lousy the way the press attacked his dead father last year & there was no need for it.But at the same time,I don't like the way that Mr.Farage & UKIPpers are branded racists by the press & others when the party contains many BME members & supporters.
But that's just one of many reasons why I can't stand the press.
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People will start talking Shady - you snd I agreeing!
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Handy Andy wrote:People will start talking Shady - you snd I agreeing!
I'm nowhere near the hard right wing racist fanatic many of you think I am.In fact,I possess what many would class as left wing views but my thought processes are based on my natural practical way of thinking.
For example,there are too many people in & still coming into the UK.So my natural response is to think...stop them coming in.It's a simple thought process I know but it's an honest one & has nothing to do with racism.
And I often have to remind myself that not everybody thinks in the robotic way that I do.
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THIS>>>
EXCLUSIVE: Election debate fix - BBC admits two out of three audience members were lefties
THE BBC has confirmed the hand-picked audience for last night’s election debate WAS left-leaning – though Nigel Farage was booed for pointing this out.
By Helen Barnett
PUBLISHED: 17:07, Fri, Apr 17, 2015 | UPDATED: 19:21, Fri, Apr 17, 2015
from http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/571208/Leader-s-election-debate-BBC-confirms-audience-WAS-left-leaning-as-Farage-claimed
EXCLUSIVE: Election debate fix - BBC admits two out of three audience members were lefties
THE BBC has confirmed the hand-picked audience for last night’s election debate WAS left-leaning – though Nigel Farage was booed for pointing this out.
By Helen Barnett
PUBLISHED: 17:07, Fri, Apr 17, 2015 | UPDATED: 19:21, Fri, Apr 17, 2015
from http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/571208/Leader-s-election-debate-BBC-confirms-audience-WAS-left-leaning-as-Farage-claimed
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as you would expect the left are pulling every dirty trick they can
they are NOT interested in democracy
THEY have decided what is good for britain ...and you are damn well going to put up with like it or no it if they have their way....
they are NOT interested in democracy
THEY have decided what is good for britain ...and you are damn well going to put up with like it or no it if they have their way....
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Nice try by the Express but a load of bollocks yet again.
ICM used the following audience ratio for those with a party preference:
Conservative 5
Labour 5
Lib Dem 4
Ukip 3
SNP 2
Green 2
Plaid 1.
This meant that just 36% of audience members swung to the right.
In addition one fifth of the audience was made up of ‘undecided voters’ from the local area around Westminster.
The fact that there are vastly more people supporting parties who are not right wing is hard luck frankly, the audience were representative of the parties taking part in the debate. As normal, right wing call foul when they can't get their own way and the number of people that oppose their views are shown.
On top of that, practically every member of that audience were booing him, and as a fifth of they were undecided, they must have been doing it as well.
The right wing of got a bloody cheek to talk about dirty tricks with all the stunts they have pulled so far, and the outright lies.
ICM used the following audience ratio for those with a party preference:
Conservative 5
Labour 5
Lib Dem 4
Ukip 3
SNP 2
Green 2
Plaid 1.
This meant that just 36% of audience members swung to the right.
In addition one fifth of the audience was made up of ‘undecided voters’ from the local area around Westminster.
The fact that there are vastly more people supporting parties who are not right wing is hard luck frankly, the audience were representative of the parties taking part in the debate. As normal, right wing call foul when they can't get their own way and the number of people that oppose their views are shown.
On top of that, practically every member of that audience were booing him, and as a fifth of they were undecided, they must have been doing it as well.
The right wing of got a bloody cheek to talk about dirty tricks with all the stunts they have pulled so far, and the outright lies.
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Bit unsure of your or the Expresses maths,Shady
For every 22 members of the audience 8 were rw (con +UKIP) , 4 were centre (libdem) and the remaning10 were left or leftish.
Cleatry maths and balancing the books is not high on the UKIP agenda
For every 22 members of the audience 8 were rw (con +UKIP) , 4 were centre (libdem) and the remaning10 were left or leftish.
Cleatry maths and balancing the books is not high on the UKIP agenda
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risingsun wrote:Nice try by the Express but a load of bollocks yet again.
ICM used the following audience ratio for those with a party preference:
Conservative 5
Labour 5
Lib Dem 4
Ukip 3
SNP 2
Green 2
Plaid 1.
This meant that just 36% of audience members swung to the right.
In addition one fifth of the audience was made up of ‘undecided voters’ from the local area around Westminster.
The fact that there are vastly more people supporting parties who are not right wing is hard luck frankly, the audience were representative of the parties taking part in the debate. As normal, right wing call foul when they can't get their own way and the number of people that oppose their views are shown.
On top of that, practically every member of that audience were booing him, and as a fifth of they were undecided, they must have been doing it as well.
The right wing of got a bloody cheek to talk about dirty tricks with all the stunts they have pulled so far, and the outright lies.
but the point is (which the left totally misrepresent or actually miss because they dont want to see it) is....that Farage was correct in what he said.....
the audience WAS lefty leaning....
question...how do you "insult" a lefty
answer.......point out he's wrong
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Did you see the programme? Just about everyone was booing and frankly, democracy is having an audience that represents the panel which it did. The fact Farage was told exactly what people think of him and can't handlie it is hard luck. Right wing always try to pretend it's a fix when they are losing lol
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yeah right .....
little grey boxes
little grey jobs
little grey state sanctioned state dependant lives
life under the left
where if you dont agree with them you are a bigot (or pick any one from SIX HIRB)
little grey boxes
little grey jobs
little grey state sanctioned state dependant lives
life under the left
where if you dont agree with them you are a bigot (or pick any one from SIX HIRB)
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Victor, love you to bits, but you don't half talk a load of crap sometimes. The only people giving up little grey boxes and life without any pleasure is the right wing.
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I thought Farage came across as a one trick pony with almost everything going back to immigration and the EU. I think he needed to be broader than that and it was a far cry from the programme he appeared in with the gogglebox couple where he came across really well.
At times he is better than what he was last night but he just didn't show enough of it.
And there are plenty RW Tories who don't like him and would have given the bird as well.
At times he is better than what he was last night but he just didn't show enough of it.
And there are plenty RW Tories who don't like him and would have given the bird as well.
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Really.....
I dont see any room for manoeuvre in debate with the left
you follow and obey or you are (any one fron SIXHIRB)
christ on a bike even flying your countries flag is racist (O/P)
pride in your country is forbidden
and johnny foreigners interests, and those of small unrepresentative interest groups trump yours... .........
yaeh life is so benign under the velvet gloved iron fist of the left...
I dont see any room for manoeuvre in debate with the left
you follow and obey or you are (any one fron SIXHIRB)
christ on a bike even flying your countries flag is racist (O/P)
pride in your country is forbidden
and johnny foreigners interests, and those of small unrepresentative interest groups trump yours... .........
yaeh life is so benign under the velvet gloved iron fist of the left...
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Did the lefties on here not read that the BBC admitted that the audience was two thirds "Lefties", or did you not wish to know that?
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one trick pony huh?
Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors statement is clear evidence that UKIP are winning the housing debate
Published Apr 17, 2015
ukiphousing-verdict.png The respected Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) has praised UKIP’s housing policy for being the “first real programme of this campaign that seeks to solve Britain’s long-term supply-side crisis”.
In their analysis of our housing policy launched as part of our manifesto earlier in the week their Head of UK Policy writes: "Taken collectively, this raft of policies appeared to be the first real programme of this campaign that seeks to solve Britain’s long-term supply-side crisis."
They also noted that UKIP is the first party to agree to the RICS Property in Politics proposals for a national brownfield map, as a premise for the building of one million brownfield homes over the next ten years.
FROM http://www.ukip.org/royal_institution_of_chartered_surveyors_statement_is_clear_evidence_that_ukip_are_winning_the_housing_debate
Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors statement is clear evidence that UKIP are winning the housing debate
Published Apr 17, 2015
ukiphousing-verdict.png The respected Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) has praised UKIP’s housing policy for being the “first real programme of this campaign that seeks to solve Britain’s long-term supply-side crisis”.
In their analysis of our housing policy launched as part of our manifesto earlier in the week their Head of UK Policy writes: "Taken collectively, this raft of policies appeared to be the first real programme of this campaign that seeks to solve Britain’s long-term supply-side crisis."
They also noted that UKIP is the first party to agree to the RICS Property in Politics proposals for a national brownfield map, as a premise for the building of one million brownfield homes over the next ten years.
FROM http://www.ukip.org/royal_institution_of_chartered_surveyors_statement_is_clear_evidence_that_ukip_are_winning_the_housing_debate
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And did you not read the figures Nicko and why? Or do you expect them to pick out an unrepresentative audience just to please the RW? Democracy in action, suck it up.
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darknessss wrote:one trick pony huh?
Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors statement is clear evidence that UKIP are winning the housing debate
Published Apr 17, 2015
ukiphousing-verdict.png The respected Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) has praised UKIP’s housing policy for being the “first real programme of this campaign that seeks to solve Britain’s long-term supply-side crisis”.
In their analysis of our housing policy launched as part of our manifesto earlier in the week their Head of UK Policy writes: "Taken collectively, this raft of policies appeared to be the first real programme of this campaign that seeks to solve Britain’s long-term supply-side crisis."
They also noted that UKIP is the first party to agree to the RICS Property in Politics proposals for a national brownfield map, as a premise for the building of one million brownfield homes over the next ten years.
FROM http://www.ukip.org/royal_institution_of_chartered_surveyors_statement_is_clear_evidence_that_ukip_are_winning_the_housing_debate
Yes, but with Nigel it still went back to immigration didn't it?
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and that ISNT an issue???
oh of course
the lefties say its not SO IT DAMN WELL ISNT YOU BIGOTS
dont even mention it...or else....
oh of course
the lefties say its not SO IT DAMN WELL ISNT YOU BIGOTS
dont even mention it...or else....
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The fact that we haven't built enough houses is the issue. For anyone.
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darknessss wrote:and that ISNT an issue???
oh of course
the lefties say its not SO IT DAMN WELL ISNT YOU BIGOTS
dont even mention it...or else....
Victor, I'm just giving my observation on his performance in that I thought almost everything went back to the issue of immigration when I though he could have been broader than that.
And there's no need to shout at me - you're very intollerant lol
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ONE small reason the left suck
We all know the left love the corrupt useless anti democratic monstrosity that is the EU
we know they positively drool over the endless cripling restrictions on business (especially small one man type businesses)
we all know how they love to watch the rest of us bend over and be shafted by "johny foreigner from god knows where sucking the life out of our services...without contibuting a penny
AND YET the orony is that SAME organisation (the EU) is exactly what is stopping the best thing that could be done to get people back into work, and get us back on the road to a prosperous nation
and that simple thing.....nationalised industries, subsidised if needed (especially to start with) since we ALREADY suhbsidise industry to the tune of billions via working tax credit...
but the EU doesnt allow that...so the gutless worms of the left kow tow to them....instead of telling them to do one....
the present situation, despite their hypocritical howls of indignation suits the left very well...the more people dependant upon state aid the better then you OWN them for voting purposes.
in their haste to get into bed with the soul-less beast that is brussels... they will sell us totally down the line...how long before we se EU police on our streets...utterly unaccountable and utterly unstoppable.....
the left would make it tomorrow....
We all know the left love the corrupt useless anti democratic monstrosity that is the EU
we know they positively drool over the endless cripling restrictions on business (especially small one man type businesses)
we all know how they love to watch the rest of us bend over and be shafted by "johny foreigner from god knows where sucking the life out of our services...without contibuting a penny
AND YET the orony is that SAME organisation (the EU) is exactly what is stopping the best thing that could be done to get people back into work, and get us back on the road to a prosperous nation
and that simple thing.....nationalised industries, subsidised if needed (especially to start with) since we ALREADY suhbsidise industry to the tune of billions via working tax credit...
but the EU doesnt allow that...so the gutless worms of the left kow tow to them....instead of telling them to do one....
the present situation, despite their hypocritical howls of indignation suits the left very well...the more people dependant upon state aid the better then you OWN them for voting purposes.
in their haste to get into bed with the soul-less beast that is brussels... they will sell us totally down the line...how long before we se EU police on our streets...utterly unaccountable and utterly unstoppable.....
the left would make it tomorrow....
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Irn Bru wrote:darknessss wrote:and that ISNT an issue???
oh of course
the lefties say its not SO IT DAMN WELL ISNT YOU BIGOTS
dont even mention it...or else....
Victor, I'm just giving my observation on his performance in that I thought almost everything went back to the issue of immigration when I though he could have been broader than that.
And there's no need to shout at me - you're very intollerant lol
you dont understand "posting" very well do you ...sorry I forgot the quotes.....thats how the left talk down to people...not me shouting....
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risingsun wrote:The fact that we haven't built enough houses is the issue. For anyone.
yeah, but the lefts response is typical....and unsustainable....
no real intent to use brownfield.....
lets gobble up as much green as we can screw the rural folk....
(cons not much better actually on this )
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Nobody has talked down to anyone. You were simply given the facts and didn't like them Victor. You want a country that is grey and uniform and everyone the same, conforming to a 'British' stereotype, something that doesn't even exist.
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darknessss wrote:risingsun wrote:The fact that we haven't built enough houses is the issue. For anyone.
yeah, but the lefts response is typical....and unsustainable....
no real intent to use brownfield.....
lets gobble up as much green as we can screw the rural folk....
(cons not much better actually on this )
Wrong http://www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1313997/labour-commits-brownfield-agenda, Labour were saying it long before UKIP and if you listened to the debate, it was one of the things Miliband agreed with Farage on.
Labour's shadow planning minister has said the party would strengthen the 'brownfield first' rule as some key party figures called for a renewed focus on urban redevelopment and extensions ahead of stand-alone new towns and garden cities. - that was back in September of last year.
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