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Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:06 pm
Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage go head-to-head tonight in the first ever leader’s TV debate on Europe.
The Lib Dem leader threw down the gauntlet to his Ukip rival ahead of elections to the European Parliament on May 22.
They will clash over whether Britain should remain in the European Parliament in a bitter contest between two of the great political upstarts of our time. Ahead of the political bout, Mr Clegg has accused his opponent of being the 'acceptable face of the politics of blame. In response Mr Farage has claimed the Deputy Prime Minister is European at heart and 'unpatriotic'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589728/Nick-v-Nigel-Privately-educated-smoking-sons-bankers-elected-Brussels-married-foreign-wives-But-theres-one-thing-REALLY-dont-agree-Europe.html
Fair play to Nick Clegg - at least he's arguing his side, unlike the other two who chickened out.
The Lib Dem leader threw down the gauntlet to his Ukip rival ahead of elections to the European Parliament on May 22.
They will clash over whether Britain should remain in the European Parliament in a bitter contest between two of the great political upstarts of our time. Ahead of the political bout, Mr Clegg has accused his opponent of being the 'acceptable face of the politics of blame. In response Mr Farage has claimed the Deputy Prime Minister is European at heart and 'unpatriotic'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589728/Nick-v-Nigel-Privately-educated-smoking-sons-bankers-elected-Brussels-married-foreign-wives-But-theres-one-thing-REALLY-dont-agree-Europe.html
Fair play to Nick Clegg - at least he's arguing his side, unlike the other two who chickened out.
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:38 pm
Tesstacious wrote:Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage go head-to-head tonight in the first ever leader’s TV debate on Europe.
The Lib Dem leader threw down the gauntlet to his Ukip rival ahead of elections to the European Parliament on May 22.
They will clash over whether Britain should remain in the European Parliament in a bitter contest between two of the great political upstarts of our time. Ahead of the political bout, Mr Clegg has accused his opponent of being the 'acceptable face of the politics of blame. In response Mr Farage has claimed the Deputy Prime Minister is European at heart and 'unpatriotic'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589728/Nick-v-Nigel-Privately-educated-smoking-sons-bankers-elected-Brussels-married-foreign-wives-But-theres-one-thing-REALLY-dont-agree-Europe.html
Fair play to Nick Clegg - at least he's arguing his side, unlike the other two who chickened out.
Who would want to share a platform with a buffoon and a fascist non entity.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/ Where is UKIP :\\:[:
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:56 pm
Catman wrote:Tesstacious wrote:Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage go head-to-head tonight in the first ever leader’s TV debate on Europe.
The Lib Dem leader threw down the gauntlet to his Ukip rival ahead of elections to the European Parliament on May 22.
They will clash over whether Britain should remain in the European Parliament in a bitter contest between two of the great political upstarts of our time. Ahead of the political bout, Mr Clegg has accused his opponent of being the 'acceptable face of the politics of blame. In response Mr Farage has claimed the Deputy Prime Minister is European at heart and 'unpatriotic'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589728/Nick-v-Nigel-Privately-educated-smoking-sons-bankers-elected-Brussels-married-foreign-wives-But-theres-one-thing-REALLY-dont-agree-Europe.html
Fair play to Nick Clegg - at least he's arguing his side, unlike the other two who chickened out.
Who would want to share a platform with a buffoon and a fascist non entity.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/ Where is UKIP :\\:[:
Oh come on, Cleggy's not that bad.
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:26 pm
Tesstacious wrote:Catman wrote:
Who would want to share a platform with a buffoon and a fascist non entity.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/ Where is UKIP :\\:[:
Oh come on, Cleggy's not that bad.
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:04 pm
Clegg is a backstabbers and Farage is the obvious...should be most enthralling.
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:23 pm
I wonder how many are going to tune in for the entertainment and actually end up learning something.
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:26 pm
sphinx wrote:I wonder how many are going to tune in for the entertainment and actually end up learning something.
From Nigel?
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is he going to tell us his plans on financing the economy or like you tell them to visit the local UKIP office?
yeah sure that one will go down well Sphinx:
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:28 pm
Here are a few questions that Nick could put to Nigel on Wednesday evening - ranging from the benefits of Britain's membership of the EU to the benefits of immigration to Ukip's own dodgy allies on the continent.
1) You say that half of British businesses would support quitting the EU - the Institute of Directors (IoD), however, polled its members and found only 15% back the UK leaving the EU. Why should we believe you, and not the IoD?
2) Isn't it true that the number of European migrants in the UK (2.3million) isalmost exactly balanced by the number of Britons living elsewhere in the EU (2.2million)?
3) What would you want to happen to the 2.2million Britons who live in the EU once we pull out? Forcible repatriation back here to the UK?
4) The EU costs us, each and every one of us, 37p* per person, per day. Do you really think that's unaffordable? A little over half the cost of a Mars bar?
5) How much money have you personally claimed in expenses from the European Parliament, in addition to your salary? Is it really more than £2million?
6) If you're so worried about the EU 'gravy train' and 'value for money' in Brussels, why did a member of your party's NEC ask Ukip MEPs to divert £10,000 each from their European parliamentary allowances and salaries to Ukip headquarters?
7) Is it true that EU authorities have been asked to investigate whether Ukip staff in the UK are being paid with EU money, in breach of EU regulations? That's pretty embarrassing, isn't it?
How embarrassed were you personally when former Ukip MEP Tom Wise was jailed in 2009 for expenses fraud? Or when former Ukip MEP Ashley Mote was jailed for benefit fraud in 2004?
9) You have spent the past year or so hyperventilating about the cost of 'benefit tourism' - yet reports produced by both the EU and the UK government suggest there really isn't an issue with so-called benefit tourism. What empirical evidence, if any, do you have to the contrary?
10) Isn't it the case that migrants from the new EU countries have paid 30% more in taxes to the UK exchequer than they've taken out in benefits or public services?
11) Which taxes would you have raised to replace the £5billion that migrants from eastern Europe are estimated to have contributed to our economy between 2004 and 2011?
12) Why do you think it is that Ukip doesn't have any female MEPs?
13) Could it be because, as former Ukip MEP Marta Andreasen once put it, you're an "anti-women.. dictator" whose view is that "women should be in the kitchen or in the bedroom"?
14) You say you're party is mainstream and isn't on the far-right but you sit with the Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD) group in the European Parliament, don't you? Doesn't it include representatives of the Danish People's Party, the True Finns Party and Italy's Lega Nord - all of them pretty far-right parties?
15) You're fellow co-chair of the EFD, the Lega Nord's Francesco Speroni, hasdescribed far-right terrorist and mass murderer Anders Breivik as someone whose "ideas are in defence of western civilisation" - why don't you take this opportunity tonight to distance yourself from him and his horrific remarks?
16) On the subject of horrific remarks, do you support your colleague Gerard Batten's demand that British Muslims sign up to a special code of conduct, in which they promise not to be violent? He is, after all, your chief whip?
17) And do you share Batten's support for a ban on any new mosques across the whole of Europe?
18) You often claim to speak for Joe Public - are you aware that the latest pollshows more Britons want to stay in the EU (41%) than leave (39%)?
19) What is it that you most object to about the UK's membership of the EU - the cheaper and safer flights; the cheaper and better phone calls; the cleaner beaches and action on climate change; the higher food safety standards; the tackling of cross-border crime; the single market; the 3million jobs; the 57 years of peace; the global influence?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/nick-clegg-nigel-farage-debate_b_5028849.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
1) You say that half of British businesses would support quitting the EU - the Institute of Directors (IoD), however, polled its members and found only 15% back the UK leaving the EU. Why should we believe you, and not the IoD?
2) Isn't it true that the number of European migrants in the UK (2.3million) isalmost exactly balanced by the number of Britons living elsewhere in the EU (2.2million)?
3) What would you want to happen to the 2.2million Britons who live in the EU once we pull out? Forcible repatriation back here to the UK?
4) The EU costs us, each and every one of us, 37p* per person, per day. Do you really think that's unaffordable? A little over half the cost of a Mars bar?
5) How much money have you personally claimed in expenses from the European Parliament, in addition to your salary? Is it really more than £2million?
6) If you're so worried about the EU 'gravy train' and 'value for money' in Brussels, why did a member of your party's NEC ask Ukip MEPs to divert £10,000 each from their European parliamentary allowances and salaries to Ukip headquarters?
7) Is it true that EU authorities have been asked to investigate whether Ukip staff in the UK are being paid with EU money, in breach of EU regulations? That's pretty embarrassing, isn't it?
How embarrassed were you personally when former Ukip MEP Tom Wise was jailed in 2009 for expenses fraud? Or when former Ukip MEP Ashley Mote was jailed for benefit fraud in 2004?9) You have spent the past year or so hyperventilating about the cost of 'benefit tourism' - yet reports produced by both the EU and the UK government suggest there really isn't an issue with so-called benefit tourism. What empirical evidence, if any, do you have to the contrary?
10) Isn't it the case that migrants from the new EU countries have paid 30% more in taxes to the UK exchequer than they've taken out in benefits or public services?
11) Which taxes would you have raised to replace the £5billion that migrants from eastern Europe are estimated to have contributed to our economy between 2004 and 2011?
12) Why do you think it is that Ukip doesn't have any female MEPs?
13) Could it be because, as former Ukip MEP Marta Andreasen once put it, you're an "anti-women.. dictator" whose view is that "women should be in the kitchen or in the bedroom"?
14) You say you're party is mainstream and isn't on the far-right but you sit with the Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD) group in the European Parliament, don't you? Doesn't it include representatives of the Danish People's Party, the True Finns Party and Italy's Lega Nord - all of them pretty far-right parties?
15) You're fellow co-chair of the EFD, the Lega Nord's Francesco Speroni, hasdescribed far-right terrorist and mass murderer Anders Breivik as someone whose "ideas are in defence of western civilisation" - why don't you take this opportunity tonight to distance yourself from him and his horrific remarks?
16) On the subject of horrific remarks, do you support your colleague Gerard Batten's demand that British Muslims sign up to a special code of conduct, in which they promise not to be violent? He is, after all, your chief whip?
17) And do you share Batten's support for a ban on any new mosques across the whole of Europe?
18) You often claim to speak for Joe Public - are you aware that the latest pollshows more Britons want to stay in the EU (41%) than leave (39%)?
19) What is it that you most object to about the UK's membership of the EU - the cheaper and safer flights; the cheaper and better phone calls; the cleaner beaches and action on climate change; the higher food safety standards; the tackling of cross-border crime; the single market; the 3million jobs; the 57 years of peace; the global influence?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/nick-clegg-nigel-farage-debate_b_5028849.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by gerber Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:33 pm
I might actually watch some, doubt I will be able to last the distance listening to cloggy.............. 10 mins will be a huge milestone for me - 2 mins is the norm these days
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:37 pm
gerber wrote:I might actually watch some, doubt I will be able to last the distance listening to cloggy.............. 10 mins will be a huge milestone for me - 2 mins is the norm these days
What ever anyone thinks of Clegg he did very well in the debates last time, hence why I think he will make it very hard for Nigel, but thanks for providing an excuse why not to watch something and I thought you would have had your Toga on, sitting in the middle of a pentacle you drew on the floor, whilst chanting his name?
Only joking Gerber
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by gerber Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:39 pm
Didge wrote:gerber wrote:I might actually watch some, doubt I will be able to last the distance listening to cloggy.............. 10 mins will be a huge milestone for me - 2 mins is the norm these days
What ever anyone thinks of Clegg he did very well in the debates last time, hence why I think he will make it very hard for Nigel, but thanks for providing an excuse why not to watch something and I thought you would have had your Toga on, sitting in the middle of a pentacle you drew on the floor, whilst chanting his name?
Only joking Gerber
I might do many things try most but chant I DO NOT
And it will be a Poncho not a Toga........
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:42 pm
All I can say is people should watch and see what is asked - of both men, and how the answers come out.
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by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:26 pm
sphinx wrote:All I can say is people should watch and see what is asked - of both men, and how the answers come out.
actions speak louder than words Sphinx...and those two only talk words.
I remember Clegg's words on tuition fees, them look what happened in the actions dept..u-turns amd lies.
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by gerber Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:59 pm
Clegg Denies Inappropriate Use of Civil Service for Debate Prep
As Deputy Prime Minister Clegg is allowed to request factual briefings on government policy whenever he likes, yet sources familiar with the situation have indicated to Guido that they believe he has strayed beyond this and into party political territory. “He’s asking for all sorts of things, beyond government policy on Europe”, one told Guido this morning. It is believed by some that the briefings have been prepared to back up attack lines on UKIP – a big no, no for civil servants.
Guido has requested a copy of all the debate preparation from the Cabinet Office under the Freedom of Information Act.
It is worth noting that the ‘General Principle’ of the Ministerial Code states:
“Facilities provided to Ministers at Government expense to enable them to carry out their official duties should not be used for Party or constituency work.”
Point 6.3 makes things a little clearer:
“Official facilities and resources may not be used for the dissemination of material which is essentially party political.”
Should it emerge that Clegg used civil servant briefings on issues beyond government policy on Europe to prepare for tonight’s debate then Guido cannot see how he has not fallen foul of this point.
http://order-order.com/2014/03/26/clegg-denies-inappropriate-use-of-civil-service-for-debate-prep/
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Common Nigel use this tonight.
As Deputy Prime Minister Clegg is allowed to request factual briefings on government policy whenever he likes, yet sources familiar with the situation have indicated to Guido that they believe he has strayed beyond this and into party political territory. “He’s asking for all sorts of things, beyond government policy on Europe”, one told Guido this morning. It is believed by some that the briefings have been prepared to back up attack lines on UKIP – a big no, no for civil servants.
Guido has requested a copy of all the debate preparation from the Cabinet Office under the Freedom of Information Act.
It is worth noting that the ‘General Principle’ of the Ministerial Code states:
“Facilities provided to Ministers at Government expense to enable them to carry out their official duties should not be used for Party or constituency work.”
Point 6.3 makes things a little clearer:
“Official facilities and resources may not be used for the dissemination of material which is essentially party political.”
Should it emerge that Clegg used civil servant briefings on issues beyond government policy on Europe to prepare for tonight’s debate then Guido cannot see how he has not fallen foul of this point.
http://order-order.com/2014/03/26/clegg-denies-inappropriate-use-of-civil-service-for-debate-prep/
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Common Nigel use this tonight.
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by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:02 pm
gerber wrote:Clegg Denies Inappropriate Use of Civil Service for Debate Prep
As Deputy Prime Minister Clegg is allowed to request factual briefings on government policy whenever he likes, yet sources familiar with the situation have indicated to Guido that they believe he has strayed beyond this and into party political territory. “He’s asking for all sorts of things, beyond government policy on Europe”, one told Guido this morning. It is believed by some that the briefings have been prepared to back up attack lines on UKIP – a big no, no for civil servants.
Guido has requested a copy of all the debate preparation from the Cabinet Office under the Freedom of Information Act.
It is worth noting that the ‘General Principle’ of the Ministerial Code states:
“Facilities provided to Ministers at Government expense to enable them to carry out their official duties should not be used for Party or constituency work.”
Point 6.3 makes things a little clearer:
“Official facilities and resources may not be used for the dissemination of material which is essentially party political.”
Should it emerge that Clegg used civil servant briefings on issues beyond government policy on Europe to prepare for tonight’s debate then Guido cannot see how he has not fallen foul of this point.
http://order-order.com/2014/03/26/clegg-denies-inappropriate-use-of-civil-service-for-debate-prep/
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Common Nigel use this tonight.
"common Nigel" - that's a good name for him lol
Or is it??
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Re: Nick v Nigel: Clegg and Farage go head-to-head tonight in first ever leaders' TV debate on Europe
by gerber Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:05 pm
BigAndy9 wrote:gerber wrote:Clegg Denies Inappropriate Use of Civil Service for Debate Prep
As Deputy Prime Minister Clegg is allowed to request factual briefings on government policy whenever he likes, yet sources familiar with the situation have indicated to Guido that they believe he has strayed beyond this and into party political territory. “He’s asking for all sorts of things, beyond government policy on Europe”, one told Guido this morning. It is believed by some that the briefings have been prepared to back up attack lines on UKIP – a big no, no for civil servants.
Guido has requested a copy of all the debate preparation from the Cabinet Office under the Freedom of Information Act.
It is worth noting that the ‘General Principle’ of the Ministerial Code states:
“Facilities provided to Ministers at Government expense to enable them to carry out their official duties should not be used for Party or constituency work.”
Point 6.3 makes things a little clearer:
“Official facilities and resources may not be used for the dissemination of material which is essentially party political.”
Should it emerge that Clegg used civil servant briefings on issues beyond government policy on Europe to prepare for tonight’s debate then Guido cannot see how he has not fallen foul of this point.
http://order-order.com/2014/03/26/clegg-denies-inappropriate-use-of-civil-service-for-debate-prep/
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Common Nigel use this tonight.
"common Nigel" - that's a good name for him lol
Or is it??
Apolgies............. mistype Should read Come on Nigel..
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by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:06 pm
gerber wrote:BigAndy9 wrote:
"common Nigel" - that's a good name for him lol
Or is it??
Apolgies............. mistype Should read Come on Nigel..
Don't apologise - it's great!
Common Nigel for President!
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by gerber Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:12 pm
BigAndy9 wrote:gerber wrote:
Apolgies............. mistype Should read Come on Nigel..
Don't apologise - it's great!
Common Nigel for President!
I baulk at the term President.
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by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:17 pm
Joy Division wrote:sphinx wrote:All I can say is people should watch and see what is asked - of both men, and how the answers come out.
actions speak louder than words Sphinx...and those two only talk words.
I remember Clegg's words on tuition fees, them look what happened in the actions dept..u-turns amd lies.
A gain of 139 last year not enough for you?
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by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:50 pm
Sky News are in Dover chatting to various people - the Pole, the Netherlands girl who "used to be" a Euro-sceptic, the American who is confused that British people are worried about Europe...
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by gerber Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:51 pm
BigAndy9 wrote:Sky News are in Dover chatting to various people - the Pole, the Netherlands girl who "used to be" a Euro-sceptic, the American who is confused that British people are worried about Europe...
Has we all agree and love Nick bought her a new pair of Cloggies ?
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