Majority of UK adults wasting £3,000 a year

Cass wrote:bring back mandatory home economics and shop.....damn sight more useful than some subjects and it should be every year.

no I cant sew a button on to save my life but I can cook, I can change a tire, I can use a drill etc....and I learned how to balance a checkbook and bank account.

^ben go for it. mum is seriously regretting not bringing over her sax when she moved but did take up the ukulele

^sassy and Irn I agree - music can be so uplifting. nothing like belting out a tune in the shower or car or hoovering to some ac\dc to make me feel good.

^ eds - I'm now calling you Imelda :8

Cass wrote:

risingsun wrote:I'm going to explain one thing to you Didge, and then I am putting you on ignore, for ever, no way back.  I was not pulling any victim card, I was trying to explain to you, from life experience that you have not had, that living with an incurable disease every single day, and losing a child, are not things that you can put to one side, that ludicrous phrase 'have closure on'.  CLL is the only cancer they don't have a cure for, only things that can set it back.  Hopefully, that will happen, but the likelehood of it happening in the next 10 years, which are probably the only years that are going to matter to me, is, I have on the best authority from the specialists in CLL, very unlikely.   And if you lose a child, you wake up to that fact every morning for the rest of your life, and there is no 'closure' to it.  In fact, why would you want 'closure', why would you want to forget.  The pain is there because of the love, and to deny it is to deny the love.  I can remember the wonderful things about her, the good times, the joy, but that doesn't give you 'closure' or stop the pain.

So, final word, I think you are beneath contempt with so many of your views  and I will never, under any circumstances, reply to you again.

lots and lots of love and hugs from afar. Each day you open your eyes, it hits you and leaves you breathless. but you get up and you put one foot in front of the other and you begin again. xxxx

Brasidas wrote:

risingsun wrote:Right, so you can bring my daughter back, or cure me of the incurable CLL, which although I am so much better had me shaking from head to foot and dropping stuff yesterday because I'd gone swimming the day before and my exhaustion levels kicked in.

Again what an absurd emotive argument to make.
Everyone loses people close to them in life and that is pathetic to try and use the victim card, where again many people can put closure on this affecting them and actually look back in fond memmory of those they have lost.
The fact is advances in science in the future may have solved this problem, showing again you use emotive reasoning to be self defeating.
There may even be a cure in the future for CCL.
Thank goodness you are not around to advise suicidal people with that poor mentality, to basically advise them their problems are not solveable.
You are certainly not going to be able to solve any problem if you have a negative self defeating attitude from the start.

darknessss wrote:WHATEVER YOU DO ...DONT SING WHILST DRIVING YOUR CAR....

I got pulled a couple of days back by a dumb ass cop who accused me of talking on a phone....

prat......funny thing was...I didnt have me phone with me .....DOH!

he then tried to make out that since i was singing CLEARLY i was "driving without due care and attention"

I told him...make my day ...book me......then I'll make you look a [geranium] in court...and it WILL go all the way to crown court if necessary....

so heads up guys....


your local cops are getting bored......

Nems wrote:

darknessss wrote:WHATEVER YOU DO ...DONT SING WHILST DRIVING YOUR CAR....

I got pulled a couple of days back by a dumb ass cop who accused me of talking on a phone....

prat......funny thing was...I didnt have me phone with me .....DOH!

he then tried to make out that since i was singing CLEARLY i was "driving without due care and attention"

I told him...make my day ...book me......then I'll make you look a [geranium] in court...and it WILL go all the way to crown court if necessary....

so heads up guys....


your local cops are getting bored......

Blimey what a jobsworth!
I better stop putting my make up on in the car too I guess!

darknessss wrote:

Nems wrote:

Blimey what a jobsworth!
I better stop putting my make up on in the car too I guess!

yeah...and NO shaving either

Nems wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Again what an absurd emotive argument to make.
Everyone loses people close to them in life and that is pathetic to try and use the victim card, where again many people can put closure on this affecting them and actually look back in fond memmory of those they have lost.
The fact is advances in science in the future may have solved this problem, showing again you use emotive reasoning to be self defeating.
There may even be a cure in the future for CCL.
Thank goodness you are not around to advise suicidal people with that poor mentality, to basically advise them their problems are not solveable.
You are certainly not going to be able to solve any problem if you have a negative self defeating attitude from the start.

Didge you know you wind me right up but some times you are bang on the money.
Everyone suffers terrible losses and illness and sometimes it makes you want to scream at the unfairness of it all.
However, the old cliché is right there is always someone worse off than yourself. As you know I deal with people grieving and angry everyday. we work on what is called the cope and recover method. It means getting people to tey and find some positives in  what ever is going on. A positive mental attitude really does make a difference to recovery time and resilience. Grief is terrible I know but we have to find a way to cope because carrying it around is not healthy.

darknessss wrote:that is so sad eddie....all i can say is HUGGGGS to your friend......

darknessss wrote:

Nems wrote:

Didge you know you wind me right up but some times you are bang on the money.
Everyone suffers terrible losses and illness and sometimes it makes you want to scream at the unfairness of it all.
However, the old cliché is right there is always someone worse off than yourself. As you know I deal with people grieving and angry everyday. we work on what is called the cope and recover method. It means getting people to tey and find some positives in  what ever is going on. A positive mental attitude really does make a difference to recovery time and resilience. Grief is terrible I know but we have to find a way to cope because carrying it around is not healthy.

I goota question though, whether there is anything positive to be found in the loss of a loved one...especially a youngster.....?

eddie wrote:Not sure there is a positive darkness bit I'm willing to learn soemthing new.

My very good and darling friend (actually the indian one I've mentioned in the Indian cooking thread) lost her son at 28 weeks pregnant - he died and she had to give birth to him.
She then gave birth to a beautiful little girl, Rhiya, who lived until she was 2 and a half.
She died whilst in the care of a private nursery.
She was found hanging in the nursery Wendy house.
(You can google this story for more details and watch their story on Horizon)

My friend, has only found a smidgen of comfort from knowing she was successful in getting the law changed - before Rhiya's death if you googled a school or nursery they didn't have to state that a child had died there! In fact a few days after Rhiya died the nursery was still up and running with zero mention of Rhiya

She also takes comfort from the fact that what happened to Rhiya is a case study for students studying child care (health and safety)

She will never ever recover, even though she has amother little girl now, my daughters best friend lol

She is haunted by it, but she laughs and has very good days.

She is currently pregnant again.
I'm praying she stays pregnant and she has trouble keeping pregnancies.

risingsun wrote:Very, very good luck to your friend Eddie.  I remember when you told me about her daughter dying.  Sincerely hope her pregnancy goes to full term.  You can never replace a child as I'm sure she knows, but I hope the others give her comfort.

Nems wrote:

eddie wrote:Not sure there is a positive darkness bit I'm willing to learn soemthing new.

My very good and darling friend (actually the indian one I've mentioned in the Indian cooking thread) lost her son at 28 weeks pregnant - he died and she had to give birth to him.
She then gave birth to a beautiful little girl, Rhiya, who lived until she was 2 and a half.
She died whilst in the care of a private nursery.
She was found hanging in the nursery Wendy house.
(You can google this story for more details and watch their story on Horizon)

My friend, has only found a smidgen of comfort from knowing she was successful in getting the law changed - before Rhiya's death if you googled a school or nursery they didn't have to state that a child had died there! In fact a few days after Rhiya died the nursery was still up and running with zero mention of Rhiya

She also takes comfort from the fact that what happened to Rhiya is a case study for students studying child care (health and safety)

She will never ever recover, even though she has amother little girl now, my daughters best friend lol

She is haunted by it, but she laughs and has very good days.

She is currently pregnant again.
I'm praying she stays pregnant and she has trouble keeping pregnancies.

Edds I hope all goes well with her x

eddie wrote:

Nems wrote:

Edds I hope all goes well with her x

So do I nems. How much crap can one person take?
Thank you x

Perhaps if we all collectively think positive it will go well x

She's housebound at the moment, due to a little cramping etc so I keep sending her daft facts of the day to cheer her up

Nems wrote:

eddie wrote:

Nems wrote:

Edds I hope all goes well with her x

So do I nems. How much crap can one person take?
Thank you x

Perhaps if we all collectively think positive it will go well x

She's housebound at the moment, due to a little cramping etc so I keep sending her daft facts of the day to cheer her up

That's worrying Edds. try and keep her spirits up. Daft facts sound just the job.xx

Nems wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Again what an absurd emotive argument to make.
Everyone loses people close to them in life and that is pathetic to try and use the victim card, where again many people can put closure on this affecting them and actually look back in fond memmory of those they have lost.
The fact is advances in science in the future may have solved this problem, showing again you use emotive reasoning to be self defeating.
There may even be a cure in the future for CCL.
Thank goodness you are not around to advise suicidal people with that poor mentality, to basically advise them their problems are not solveable.
You are certainly not going to be able to solve any problem if you have a negative self defeating attitude from the start.

Didge you know you wind me right up but some times you are bang on the money.
Everyone suffers terrible losses and illness and sometimes it makes you want to scream at the unfairness of it all.
However, the old cliché is right there is always someone worse off than yourself. As you know I deal with people grieving and angry everyday. we work on what is called the cope and recover method. It means getting people to tey and find some positives in  what ever is going on. A positive mental attitude really does make a difference to recovery time and resilience. Grief is terrible I know but we have to find a way to cope because carrying it around is not healthy.

eddie wrote:She is a very strong lady didge, my friend.
She is a "western" Indian lady if you know what I mean, and was a Hindu before this tragedy, not a reverent one but still went to family celebrations etc

She now does not believe in God at all.

Brasidas wrote:

eddie wrote:She is a very strong lady didge, my friend.
She is a "western" Indian lady if you know what I mean, and was a Hindu before this tragedy, not a reverent one but still went to family celebrations etc

She now does not believe in God at all.

Always seems to go one one or the other, the faith either becomes stronger in the religion or it brings about no faith at all.
She sounds like an incredible woman Eddie, even more so that she has not given up hope on having children, being that she has shows to me she has at least had some partial recovery. I mean to lose your first two children, how and where do you find the strengh to try again?
The fact that she has, proves to me that she has such incredble strengh.

Best wishes to her.

Cass wrote:eds - sniff.....no words just a huge amount of love going out over the airwaves to your friend xx

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Music can both cheer and depress people dependant on what is being played and what connection a peice of music may have to the reason you are down, which can then further worsen why you are down. If it makes you happy as it does for many people it is mainly a temporary respite for most people as the music has uplifted you but not dealt with the problem as to why you are down in the first place, whjere then that problem is likely to return bringing you down again, until it is resolved.
Hence why it is not the best medicine, at best it is a tempoary relief. If it was the best medicine we would have have no more suicides, when clearly we have plenty. So is making Music really the best medicine when you are down?
I do not think so.

No, people get down for all sorts of reasons. It happens to us all for one reason or another at times and usually it passes because it's not a permanent feature most of the time - just a blip really and I think the discussion had developed along the lines of people in that category.

If you are talking about people who suffer from something like manic depression then you may well have a point in that they need professional help to deal with it as it is as you say only a temporary respite.

The above is clear evidence you do noty understand problem solving or how again the playing thus making music can and is frustrating to play where you need lots of patience. As it takes practice to get this right in many cases and longer practice for harder compositions.
The fact that you believe it cures why you are down shows how that is just attempting to supress that feeling with a feel good factor, where again it may brighten your mood and even make you temporailly distract the problem.
For example, you are down about money, relationship problems etc.
Has it resolved any of these problems that have caused you to be down by playing Music?

No, it has just lifted your spirits if of course you are faultless musician, have already perfected it and do not get frustrated learning how to play the composition.
Listening to Music does not have the frustration that playing does. Playing though when right is more fulfilling, but again will only temporailly cheer you up as you have still not resolved the problem that made you down. It is a distratcion from the problem. Again for example you fav team has lost, you get uplifted by listening to some great tunes, buit it does not remove the bitter taste of losing that day, that will linger for a couple of days to most true supporters.

Right night Irn

risingsun wrote:

Cass wrote:

risingsun wrote:I'm going to explain one thing to you Didge, and then I am putting you on ignore, for ever, no way back.  I was not pulling any victim card, I was trying to explain to you, from life experience that you have not had, that living with an incurable disease every single day, and losing a child, are not things that you can put to one side, that ludicrous phrase 'have closure on'.  CLL is the only cancer they don't have a cure for, only things that can set it back.  Hopefully, that will happen, but the likelehood of it happening in the next 10 years, which are probably the only years that are going to matter to me, is, I have on the best authority from the specialists in CLL, very unlikely.   And if you lose a child, you wake up to that fact every morning for the rest of your life, and there is no 'closure' to it.  In fact, why would you want 'closure', why would you want to forget.  The pain is there because of the love, and to deny it is to deny the love.  I can remember the wonderful things about her, the good times, the joy, but that doesn't give you 'closure' or stop the pain.

So, final word, I think you are beneath contempt with so many of your views  and I will never, under any circumstances, reply to you again.

lots and lots of love and hugs from afar. Each day you open your eyes, it hits you and leaves you breathless. but you get up and you put one foot in front of the other and you begin again. xxxx

Thanks Cass, just trying to explain to him that there are some things you can't fix, so you find ways of lifting yourself and singing seems to do it for a lot of people, no matter how out of tune lol. xx

risingsun wrote:Fantastic, just played that, from crowds like that to singing with a choir, just lifts you up.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

The above is clear evidence you do noty understand problem solving or how again the playing thus making music can and is frustrating to play where you need lots of patience. As it takes practice to get this right in many cases and longer practice for harder compositions.
The fact that you believe it cures why you are down shows how that is just attempting to supress that feeling with a feel good factor, where again it may brighten your mood and even make you temporailly distract the problem.
For example, you are down about money, relationship problems etc.
Has it resolved any of these problems that have caused you to be down by playing Music?

No, it has just lifted your spirits if of course you are faultless musician, have already perfected it and do not get frustrated learning how to play the composition.
Listening to Music does not have the frustration that playing does. Playing though when right is more fulfilling, but again will only temporailly cheer you up as you have still not resolved the problem that made you down. It is a distratcion from the problem. Again for example you fav team has lost, you get uplifted by listening to some great tunes, buit it does not remove the bitter taste of losing that day, that will linger for a couple of days to most true supporters.

Right night Irn

No, the above is clear that you don’t understand what people are actually saying because if you had read what I said  you would have paid more attention to the part that I highlighted in that people who are suffering from manic depression (clinical depression) or whatever  should get professional help. The last thing they need is listening and taking advice from some clown on an internet forum handing out advice that they are probably not qualified to dish out.

This started off with a casual reference that listening to a piece of music can make someone who is feeling a little  bit down in the dumps feel an awful lot better for doing so because it’s usually a passing phase not a permanent or long term  feature of their state of mind.. People on here understand that deep-seated problems need more serious help and if you don’t think they know that and you are the only one who does then you have an extremely high opinion of yourself and a very low opinion of everyone else.

Never mind though because you did actually get there in the end in your last paragraph when you said if your team loses it will only last a couple of days. See, you actually agree with what people have been saying all along.

Irn Bru wrote:

risingsun wrote:

Thanks Cass, just trying to explain to him that there are some things you can't fix, so you find ways of lifting yourself and singing seems to do it for a lot of people, no matter how out of tune lol. xx

Sing, sing your heart out with thousands of others- just like this. It's awesome.

eddie wrote:Not sure there is a positive darkness bit I'm willing to learn soemthing new.

My very good and darling friend (actually the indian one I've mentioned in the Indian cooking thread) lost her son at 28 weeks pregnant - he died and she had to give birth to him.
She then gave birth to a beautiful little girl, Rhiya, who lived until she was 2 and a half.
She died whilst in the care of a private nursery.
She was found hanging in the nursery Wendy house.
(You can google this story for more details and watch their story on Horizon)

My friend, has only found a smidgen of comfort from knowing she was successful in getting the law changed - before Rhiya's death if you googled a school or nursery they didn't have to state that a child had died there! In fact a few days after Rhiya died the nursery was still up and running with zero mention of Rhiya

She also takes comfort from the fact that what happened to Rhiya is a case study for students studying child care (health and safety)

She will never ever recover, even though she has amother little girl now, my daughters best friend lol

She is haunted by it, but she laughs and has very good days.

She is currently pregnant again.
I'm praying she stays pregnant and she has trouble keeping pregnancies.

darknessss wrote:WHATEVER YOU DO ...DONT SING WHILST DRIVING YOUR CAR....

I got pulled a couple of days back by a dumb ass cop who accused me of talking on a phone....

prat......funny thing was...I didnt have me phone with me .....DOH!

he then tried to make out that since i was singing CLEARLY i was "driving without due care and attention"

I told him...make my day ...book me......then I'll make you look a [geranium] in court...and it WILL go all the way to crown court if necessary....

so heads up guys....


your local cops are getting bored......

Original Quill wrote:

A defiant Vic gives policeman what for...

risingsun wrote:

Brasidas wrote wrote:    
So more childish insults where because some people like myself actually do know what is right you have to jump in again trying to make yourself look intelligent and failing miserably. No where did I not say for people to seek advice so you just invent things because to try and make the other poster look bad when in fact you just end up making yourself do so. I suggest you read the points I have made about depression on other posts and the thread on this. Which proves you have not even followed the whole thread and jump in again to make more unfounded claims.

Brasidas wrote wrote:    
Incorrect on a passing reference, a claim was made to this being the best medicine, which I can rightly challenge, which now you seem to think is wrong to challenge based on some invented Irn moral, which is nothing short of absurd. I understand many thinks espcially about the human mind than you will ever begin to understand and hence why I have every right to question things. Music is both bad and good for the reasons I mentioned with again being a temp measure of creating an uplift for the person. What you need to do is use such methods in conjunction with understand why you are down..

Brasidas wrote wrote:    
You are just pissed at the fact you know I am 100% right and yet again this is Irn throwing his dummies all over the forum because you have nothing to counter my correct points and instead make pathetic insults. Never mind one day you may challenge me intellectually, though I think I am going to have a very long wait.

Brasidas wrote wrote:    
Your mum was slapped in the face the moment you were born by the doctor son ha ha ha ha?

Brasidas wrote wrote:    
Oh do shut up you fuckwit ha ha ha ha?

Brasidas wrote wrote:    
Nobody gives a fuck what some benefit twat thinks, they are normally deluded left wing scum?

Brasidas wrote wrote:    
You invented all the bullshit and the bollocks about your dad dying to gain the victim cared, it is what left wing scum do mate. We all know you do this because you are such a pathetic weasel looking for sympathy. ?

Brasidas wrote wrote:    
You swine. You vulgar little maggot. Don't you know that you are pathetic? You worthless bag of filth.

As we say in Texas, I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

You are a canker. A sore that won't go away.

I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.

You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you. You are a bloody nardless newbie twit protohominid chromosomally aberrant caricature of a coprophagic cloacal parasitic pond scum and I wish you would go away.

You're a putrescence mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating fool, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.

I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?

If you aren't an idiot, you made a world-class effort at simulating one. Try to edit your writing of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.

You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.

On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote, because, well... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.

P.S.: You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, Byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, abrasive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good. ?